Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

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Hello!

-Stuxnet

(Yeah yeah it's not a Trojan Horse but w/e)

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Either you lynch some scum and I win without actually doing anything of importance or you get to xylo and we start playing the game while putting yours on hold, using the comments from people in my game on your game to place everyone

Nice theater

-Stuxnet

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My slot can be held to high expectations :3

-Stuxnet

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VOTE: Trojan Horses

-Stuxnet

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im drunk and forgot we signed up for this game, whats up sluts

-zeus, apparently

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UNVOTE:

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hi rc how r u

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UNVOTE:

hi rc how r u

-zeus

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good hbu

hows the thunder

no thunder where i'm at but i'm pretty good aside from things that p much everyone is experiencing rn! glad ur good!

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how can you be zeus without thunder

VOTE: Trojan Horses

one scum found

thot u were asking about the weather :c

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i am not a thot ur a thot

guilty as charged

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my main is RadiantCowbells

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Down to blindly sheep Mastina. Mastina, who should I vote for?

-Stuxnet

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RC?

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Signing posts is for losers

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that doesnt sound like a great idea.

I am but a sheep.

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RC Mastina pulled the whole “I read the rules so I know this thing about scum” and 9/10 it comes from scum trying to get Town cred

This is a general read and not specific to Mastina meta, correct?

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VOTE: Bernadetta

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This game feels too easy, actually

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Wanna try figuring out who we are?

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Also, I be lazy as fuck.
Stuxnet uses mostly proper capitalization and such, but does use abbreviations and emotes and uses ':3' which narrows it down a lot but I be too lazy to think about scummers who fit that.
zeus refuses to use proper capitalization and such, is casual, uses chatspeakesque abbreviations, which narrows it down a lot but I be too lazy to think about scummers who fit that.

If I put in the effort to think about scummers who're active and on Krazy's mafiascum discord (because let's face it, 80% of hydras come from conversations on there anyway especially anonymous ones), just that criteria would be enough to narrow it down especially if I sifted through the logs of the main channel to find people who were chatting with each other and express the interest of "we should hydra together". Would be really really easy to do, it'd just require a shitload of effort and again, I be lazy as fuck.

I like the way you think! \o/

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Gobbledygook is town.

VOTE: SirCakez

ez

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My slot's ISO terrible: yes
Scummy: how?

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Where's my recognition? I helped.

At least your implied reasoning (that sheeping Mastina is scummy) makes some sense, although I was going to still ask why.

Calling our ISO "terrible" is a meh attack.
Also 193 is terrible

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Based on?

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b/c why would u sheep mastina ever? That's asking for town to lose aka scum win con.

I respect Mastina, and I agree with her explanations for reads. Which reads of hers do

you

disagree with and additionally think she has bad reasons for?

Just buddying no scumhunting

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I saw. And scumreading someone intentionally, blatantly doing this for this at this stage of the game is level-0 scumhunting.

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Just terrible

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I dunno man like when you come out in page 2 with a reads list with half of those players haven't even posted, that's not someone you want to sheep.

Do you believe it's possible to form early reads based on introductions and initial posts?
If so, what's the problem with collating them into a list?
Why assume said reads will not evolve with the game?
If it's only that you dislike her making a list page 2 and nothing about the reads themselves... boo.

Based on?

Earnestly scumhunting

And why is it more likely town than scum faking it?
Please quote one read of theirs that carries any depth in reasoning.
I'll wait.

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"Scum are likelier to not understand jokes/irony from town"
What do you guys make of this statement?

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Depth of reasoning isn’t the reason why I townread him
He’s like the first true scum hunter in the game I don’t think scum ever tried to be first true scum hunter when you have people like Mastina and RC and multi headed hydrae waiting to pounce

So what do scum do instead when you have people like Mastina or RC and other multi-head hydrae waiting to pounce upon them?

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Wait for them to pounce on one another or a weak townie and then get Involved

Interesting. Wouldn't you say that not posting anything would qualify them as a "weak townie" themselves?

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I’m confused by the question. Are you saying SirCakez is not posting anything or that he is going after someone who has not posted anything?

I am saying that as scum, it's arguably higher payoff to feign scumhunting over waiting for RC/Mastina/Mysterious three head hydra to pounce on a weak townie, when the lack of posting would make them a weak townie anyways.

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Yes but do you think scum attacks one of the things that will rip it’s head off Osborne style

Newbie scum? Maybe not.
Sircakez? Yes.

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Thank you. I went back to her readslist to check for slots which were outside null and didn't post by that point.

We are not helping

jjh

DrDolittle

SirCakez

Elmo teh AzN

gobbledygook
Baezu
Amrun
northsidegal
Shuichi Saihara

Jormungand
Lie Ren
BBMolla
Wonderwall

Bernadetta

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RadiantCowbells

Locktown, strong town, weak town, null, scum.

So the non-posters were divided into "weak town" and "null", interesting.
Mastina, on what basis did you bucket non-posters to weak town?

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I think generally though it isn’t something a typical scum would do

Perhaps you're projecting your own idea of how you'd play as scum

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it is interesting that mastina called a player who hasn't posted a townlean

5 players. Lol.

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Are we really analyzing Mastinas jokepost or am I falling for an elaborate ruse

I'll wait to hear that it's a jokepost, given it's consistent with the seriousness in the rest of her posts?

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She included people who hadn’t posted on it

Yes, that part is likely a joke, given that the alternative explanation is some form of subconscious TMI as scum, which would be highly unlikely given they're exactly the people who didn't post.
Still.

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I'm curious about Jormengand's profile picture. Is it a specific reference to something, or something guessable?

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Well, you could try this.

Hmm. I'll try to guess what it is.

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Okay, so far I’m liking Mastina, Gobbles and jjh for town.

~Nimda

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Okay, so far I’m liking Mastina, Gobbles and jjh for town.

~Nimda

I cannot work with this at all

so you can either lynch me because I am scum accusing your correct reads or you can agree that these reads might be wrong

All I said was that so far I’m liking those players. Did you mean to quote someone else?

~Nimda

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projecting your own idea of how you'd play as scum as a means to read others is one of the strongest towntells that i know.

Agree! And I think Gobbles is strongly town.

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I cannot work with this at all

so you can either lynch me because I am scum accusing your correct reads or you can agree that these reads might be wrong

Or you're just wrong town and our reads are correct lol

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this really is not a good starting point

Why?

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RC is town here
pissing him off is anti-town and I know from experience

You can read RC?
I'm simply saying he could be wrong town - why should that piss him off?

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Not really but I have strong gut here. This isn't like the RC I'm used to.
I don't know why it should piss him off but if it will going that route will not help anyone.

What RC are you used to? Can you explain the difference in behaviour?

My slot basically listed a few townreads, and he said "either lynch me or say your reads could be wrong".
So what do you expect my slot, as town, to do? Say "yeah we're wrong just ignore"?
Obviously we could be wrong, but that doesn't mean we play the game, no?

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doesn't mean we play the game

we don't* play the game

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I like jjh more now

What's your read on Mastina? And Gobbles?

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A lot more aggressive, a lot less caring about getting into emotional conflict. It's a lot of gut here like I said but I don't feel he plays this game this way as scum.
I'd expect you to just disengage and avoid at that point. Or explain without being conflict-baity like in 336

Interesting. Thank you.
Na. I want to be able to do my own thing without being forced to play the game a certain way. I want to make it clear that I don't want the option of choosing between "lynch someone" and "don't follow my slot's reads".

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Mastina null she hasn't done anything AI IMO. Gobbles town lean.

So for Mastina, JJH, Gobbles you're at {Null, Lean town, Lean town}, am I correct?

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With amount of people townreading me I feel like people are just setting me up to die n1 and feels bad man

Dw I won't kill you N1

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Has anyone figured out what Jorgenburger's avatar is?

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Honestly it is probably fine. Have a lot of stuff going on irl. But I want my nightkills to be stuff that I earned generally not just that I townspew myself

Lead a lynch on scum today then!

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Explain your BBMolla read?

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He posted this exact thing in Wake's Legend of Zelda game (he was scum).

Right. Yes, I was going to mention that it seemed like he was attempting to pocket you.

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Gobbles why is We are not helping town?

I think they are town too. Nuance in thought, and progression on Mastina+jjh.

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ehhh I'm not seeing it

It's a gut read

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this person is dumb

I agree, that attack was quite dumb.

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or maybe the stupidty is an act and he is scum trying to be "helpful"

That was indeed my allegation at the time

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On a more serious note, Firebringer, please explain what's dumb about accusing someone of making surface-level reads that lack depth.

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mastina explanation of reads was trash.

Which explanations specifically do you think were trash?
All of them?

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Yes. all of them.

Can you explain the flaws in her reasoning for any 2 slots?

What is ur read on Cakez? And why is it town?

Yes

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i think im only going to drunk post in this game

- zeus

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we are not helping is vaguely scummy imo

the way they're approaching rc and nsg feels forced/weird in a way im finding hard to explain

-zeus

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we are not helping is vaguely scummy imo

Lol no I think they're likely town and agree with RC on that.
Dissonance woo

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dont at all agree trojan horse but we havent agreed on anything yet this game

i feel like half their content is directed at you in some fashion tho? i can kind of see that from fire but i dont remember seeing oka do that and i dont remember much about bitmap @ all

-zeus

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i am not happy about it but i am not scumreading it

fair enough

-zeus

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do yall think a shot of vodka would go well w green tea

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am out of alcoholic seltzer and i dont do well w hard liquor :c

-zeus

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nsg did lmao

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not that im saying im skygazer

pretty sure she siteflaked again and only drunk posts in games she forgot she signed up for

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But maybe I am Skygazer?
Or maybe not.
Hmmmmm

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But maybe I am Skygazer?
Or maybe not.
Hmmmmm

this wasnt me! ive been hacked!

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Does anyone know who Shuichi Saihara is?
More specifically, does Mastina?

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i like the idea of hydra signing through use of capitalization

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by the way, anyone want to hear a secret? i actually think green tea is really bad.

this is horrifying

if i was skygazer i would be saying "how could i have hydra'd with someone for three minutes if they hated green tea like that"

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by the way, anyone want to hear a secret? i actually think green tea is really bad.

this is horrifying

if i was skygazer i would be saying "how could i have hydra'd with someone for three minutes if they hated green tea like that"

if you were skygazer, i would sincerely apologize for how that hydra-ing went, and say that if you ever wanted to do it again i'd give it another go

if i were skygazer i'd say i'm sorry as well and i'd love to at some point as soon as i'm able to actually soberly concentrate on mafia again

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i like the idea of hydra signing through use of capitalization

Yes but I wonder how we can differentiate between me and the other head

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Signing posts is for losers

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We are not helping
jjh
DrDolittle

SirCakez
Elmo teh AzN

gobbledygook
Baezu
Amrun
northsidegal

Shuichi Saihara

Jormungand
Lie Ren
BBMolla
Wonderwall

Bernadetta
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Locktown, strong town,

weak town

, null, scum.

I look at the people who haven't posted.

I analyze what I know about the players in question

, and then I decide if their lack of posting is something more likely to be from town or scum or if it is null.

I don't remember the scummer that Suichi was revealed to be, tho. So, in theory, yes, I know, I have the information in the depths of my brain.

In reality, no

, because I forgot.

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Also I believe that as of right now this opinion is unpopular but I don't like Trojan Horses very much.

<3

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Each of my heads is playing a number of games so yeah we're playing 8

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Not personal just read

Wanna talk?

I find it a bit difficult to read Sushi Sahara's posts, seems like there's a lotta fluffy content in there

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For the record, I didn't imply Sushi had no content; rather that that there was a lot of fluff. This was direct from my first statement that I found his posts difficult to read.
While propping up Mastina as a town leader to get RC/NSG lynched sounds like a great strategy, why ignore the fact that I did that early game?
It's easy to notice I stopped "sheeping Mastina" quite fast and began voting for my own scumreads.

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If that was a strategy I wanted to pursue, and I didn't know of Mastina's... er, "rep", I'd scope out the game first to see her actual level of influence, and then subtly nudge her towards town leader position. Perhaps by actually sheeping her reads while getting her to produce walls, idk. I'm surprised that my blatantly saying I'll blindly sheep Mastina has been seriously interpreted as that kind of strategy

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There was a point where not everyone was townreading me and that was the point where you were offering to vote me

I recall refusing to vote you.
You said something about either I having to vote you because you called my reads wrong, or accept my reads could be wrong.
I instead said you could just be town and I could still be right.

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I think even if Mastina is town propping her up as town leader is much higher equity than trying to play hope that a really strong set of townies who work well together all have off games

who else besides mastina in this playerlist do you think makes those kinds of plans as scum?

Trojan Horses and JJH succinctly

Just out of curiousity, but since you don't know who the heads of this hydra are, how'd you arrive at this?

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I would like to see a towncase for BBMolla. That's a slot I've had difficulty sorting in the past.

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@Gobbles: I think the game will declare us scum if we revealed one of our heads although, of course, incorrectly so.
Also, my scumhunting will probably turn much more aggressive and visible as the game progresses, you've seen it before

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SirCakez is also pretty damn painfully obviously town. His contributions, his analysis, his thoughts, his process, his aura, everything he is doing, pushing, just feels like it is in the right mindset, where even if his reads/reasons aren't right, their sincerity and genuineness means it's probably not from him as scum. Admittedly, he's a strong scum player, but I just don't think what he's doing is him as scum.

Mastina, I'd like you to elaborate on this read. Seeing as most of the game finds him obvtown I might be wrong and just not seeing it, but can you actually show sincerity/genuineness in his posts that's not trivially faked by scum? Can you put his mindset into words and show me how that's very likely to be a town one?

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Okay but that wasn't really true either.
And what made them difficult to read if not density?
I don't think this point is super important but I do think it's bizarre.

Did you stop sheeping mastina before or after it was pointed out that scum might do this?

Perhaps your quote walls where you had many one-liner replies which didn't really say anything <- which I termed fluff.

Lol no, I stopped sheeping mastina when I started pursuing my own leads. I know Mastina could do that as scum.
I still however did like her explanations at that point of time for a number of slots, even if they were feeble and off one post.
I had assumed non-posters were in her null pile and didn't notice she was weak townreading non-posters till that was pointed out in thread.
As a note, she hasn't appeared yet and she should respond to the question about your placement on her list.

Even if she cannot put her mindset into words, I want to see her attempt at doing so.

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If you're Cephrir I like this style of posting more than what I've seen before, though.

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But but, Mastina town leader! Who will I sheep then

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I think I can comfortably sheep Gob actually.
Gob, you get to dictate my vote for today!

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Cool, turkey is voting jjh so if you could vote there that would be great

Oh! Well that sucks, I like jjh. Although jjh is not in my game anyway so I don't need to make up an excuse for going back on my word.
Gobbles dictate my vote pls

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RC did you give any thought to Jormunburger's avi

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I did

Did you figure it out? Any hints?

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Btw I retract my endorsement of Mastina Lynch

Yay!

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1. Why me?
2. Datisi is in this hydra?
3. Wants to sheep me?

1. Obv townread
2. Who is Datisi
3. Who is Datisi

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You keep saying you have reads and stances. What's making you uncomfortable about owning them?

If you're feeling unconfident, you also have two other heads who you could bounce ideas off whose alignments you should be more sure of than Gobbles.

yawn

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Dunno if he wouldn't as town also though

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Yawn?

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Like compare the two trajectories

QQ everyone posts too much!
I can't generate reads even though I'm trying but I need more time!
Gives player by player reads list that only quasi makes sense

I see.
VOTE: Jormendgob

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I vibe with the Lie Ren scumreads. I am curious why he revealed his main after NSG subtly outted him.
I also feel like NSG knows everything.

"subtly"

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Dear Sushi,

How seriously am I playing 1-10?

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Dear Lie Ren,

What is the logic behind the scumcase on me?

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I don't feel like he is scumhunting. But I don't really think many people in our game are scumhunting

Are you sure you can use that logic on a player like jjh969?
Do you not think he's aware of what his play comes off as?

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I have like over 20 pages to catch up but still liking Mastina, Gobbles and also Fire hydra, and RC. If someone could also tell wtf Bernadetta is doing, that would also be swell.

~Nimda

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@RC: Does that affect your read on my slot?
@Sushi: So?

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Dear Lie Ren,

What is the logic behind the scumcase on me?

I recall thinking the idea of you, jjh, and mastina being scum made sense. Now, I'm not as sure. I still kinda think you're scummy, though.

Also I see some others are FoSing me, will be interesting to see what that's about.

Can you tell me the reasons for thinking jjh and Mastina are scummy?

~N

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we are not helping is vaguely scummy imo

the way they're approaching rc and nsg feels forced/weird in a way im finding hard to explain

-zeus

^this needs more votes halloweiners

I actually think Trojan had a point there, and I recall asking for expansion on that.

Two heads are not of this opinion, so I’ll leave that for zeus to answer.

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Dear Lie Ren,

What is the logic behind the scumcase on me?

I recall thinking the idea of you, jjh, and mastina being scum made sense. Now, I'm not as sure. I still kinda think you're scummy, though.

Also I see some others are FoSing me, will be interesting to see what that's about.

Can you tell me the reasons for thinking jjh and Mastina are scummy?

~N

I sense that they're not interacting with each other in good faith, in a way that feels like scum partners currently.

Mastina isn’t an easy read but she seems to be pretty genuine here, where she seems kind of off as scum.

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Turkey is painfully obviously town. Beyond the multiple townslips in succession, which you can argue were faked (they weren't), even besides that, Turkey has this aura he exudes when he is town and it is on full display here. That certain fire, that unique presence, that good logic, that reasonable conclusions, he's just all-around altogether on top town form this game.


SirCakez is also pretty damn painfully obviously town. His contributions, his analysis, his thoughts, his process, his aura, everything he is doing, pushing, just feels like it is in the right mindset, where even if his reads/reasons aren't right, their sincerity and genuineness means it's probably not from him as scum. Admittedly, he's a strong scum player, but I just don't think what he's doing is him as scum.

Eh these are probably still not as good as they should be but hey, more than I had before!

I particularly like these comments.

~N

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Do we think that Trojan Jormen can be 2 scum

Possibly. Thinking Baezu + Jormengand personally.

I see this as a genuine possibility. Jormengand has been hashed out already, and Baezu feels like they're trying to play from the shadows.

By the way Trojan, thank you for acknowledging that.

Np, if you play enough games with a slot, overtime you get better at reading them.

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I honestly think Trojan actually has been putting in some serious work, I have a solid townread on them now

Can I get some details here?

I'm also interested in this. I'm clearly not taking this game super seriously... I am doing some amount of solving though but I'm curious to hear about what you mean by "serious work".

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I think I can comfortably sheep Gob actually.
Gob, you get to dictate my vote for today!

You keep saying you have reads and stances. What's making you uncomfortable about owning them?

If you're feeling unconfident, you also have two other heads who you could bounce ideas off whose alignments you should be more sure of than Gobbles.

So I find this weird, because I really didn't think I was coming off as super serious. Especially considering that I showed confidence in my reads before this and defended them as well.
Gob's attack on this is also -yawn- obviously but whatevz since he's town. Why assume that my proposed leashing is a result of great critical thought in thread (which I agree isn't there heehh) versus potential great solves (likely if town and Gob's town)?

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i made you an avatar lie ren

Well that wasn't what I expected. If that's what I think it's supposed to mean you actually figured out who I am already. Might as well just say it, this is Gamma Emerald. I wanted to see how I played as an alt if I embraced the tendency to not do as much in alt games. In addition I mentioned wanting to play a way I normally don't, that's in reference to my experience in Perfect Masquerade, where I enjoyed playing as a hidden alt in that game, as well as writing posts in a more "proper" manner compared to what I normally do.

Now although I did enjoy that jape, I must kindly refuse that avatar because I would like to have one of the character this alt is named after. I'll continue skimming to see if one was posted in the thread, and if not I'll find one myself because I'm on a device where I can do that rather seamlessly right now.

I noticed gobbledygook gave me flak for this post. I really don't get why me deciding to out my alt on a whim would be a scum thing. If one person knows after the bare amount of posting I did, it's very likely to be completely obvious. Plus I was having to repress my urge to use meta like I tend to do, and so it was nice to have a reason to stop worrying about that.

I was tl you before I knew that but that read is strengthened by knowing this.

~N

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im excited to be able to sheep illustrious players like gobbles and baezu this game

Ew

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VOTE: DDL

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im excited to be able to sheep illustrious players like gobbles and baezu this game

Ew

yo which head is this

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"I have read who this is an alt of before, but I do not remember who it is; I remember it is an alt of a scummer with a decent amount of experience, but not which scummer it was. Might be a logical scummer." That is what I knew about Shuichi at the time I made that list.

And why would not posting be indicative of town for an experienced/logical scummer?

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Too bad my read on Trojan is explicitly not townlock.

boo

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don't see at all why a logical scummer would make delayed entrance more as town than scum. O.o

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What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little self-voter? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Forum Academy, and I’ve been involved in secret raids on Mastina-Radiant Cowbell hydras, and I have over 300 confirmed mislynches. I am trained in WIFOM and I’m the top OMGUSer in the entire mafiascum community. You are nothing to me but just another lolhammer. I will Preview-Edit you out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this website mark my words. You think you can get away with saying shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my network of alt-accounts across my computer and your name is being voted for right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your account. You’re fucking dead, newbie. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can modkill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my Hectic account. Not only am I extensively trained in ISO analysis, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Semi-Experienced playerbase and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your ass off the face of this RVS, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your tongue. You didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn MyLo. I will IIoA all over you and you will drown in EBWOP. You’re fucking dead, Shuichi Saihara

I love this post lololol

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Molla

Is Molla really usually an easy read?

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"I have read who this is an alt of before, but I do not remember who it is; I remember it is an alt of a scummer with a decent amount of experience, but not which scummer it was. Might be a logical scummer." That is what I knew about Shuichi at the time I made that list.

And why would not posting be indicative of town for an experienced/logical scummer?

I guessed at what alignment that would make the lack of posting be--my analysis of that sort of player is that they are more likely to make delayed entrances, thus, slightly more likely to be town, pending their posts, obviously.

don't see at all why a logical scummer would make delayed entrance more as town than scum. O.o

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Sup DrDonothing

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I liked your Eddie Murphy avi better.

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Why do you feel more comfortable sheeping me rather than discussing and coming to an agreement with your hydra partners?

Who said I'm more comfortable doing that?
Said that for the lulz, I'm really surprised that wasn't clear lol

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I don't really understand what you're going on about here but yes I am assuming you mean what you post and it's going to make my life very hard if I can't do that. Jokes are typically funny, and if you're not being serious or funny then I don't know what you're doing.

If your turbo townread gobbles agreed with me that this post was weird, how are you getting to thinking it's weird for me to take issue with it?

I am confused by this dichotomy between "critical thought" and "great solves" because those seem like the same thing to me.

1. Doing for the lulz != explicitly funny
2. Read post, I yawned at both
3.

Established

critical thought vs

Potential

great solves, that better?

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1. If it's not funny, theres nothing stopping this from becoming a post facto excuse. Which I currently think it really may be, as I suspect you could see you messed up and decided to invent this "loljk" thing.
2. Right, yet you said my concern was weird. I feel it's one of the better points I've had this game, so I find the dismissal less than thrilling. Did you not mean that as shade?
3. Not really. Is it a potential great solve or something you said for the lols? These things appear to be contradictory. Also, if you have a great solve I'd like to hear it, since I don't believe you've voiced anything of the sort.

I mean c'mon dude

But but, Mastina town leader!

Who will I sheep then

I think I can comfortably sheep Gob actually.
Gob, you get to dictate my vote for today!

Cool, turkey is voting jjh so if you could vote there that would be great

Oh! Well that sucks,

I like jjh

. Although jjh is not in my game anyway

so I don't need to make up an excuse

for going back on my word.
Gobbles dictate my vote pls

On a scale of seriousness 1-10 how would you rate the bolded parts?

2. Define "shade". I find it surprising that it's not read as merely me trolling around, but given Gobbles also did that, maybe I'm expecting wrong?
3. Yes, I was making arguments from the perceived viewpoint of you guys who interpreted it seriously - i.e. even if it

was

serious, why assume it's based on in-thread material over Gob's potential solving given he's obvtown etc. Say, the equivalent of "RC is IC, cool so I'll just vote where he tells me to". As an observer my actual problem with this whole thing would be that it gives me an excuse not to solve and attach my vote to someone else, thus making myself more unreadable.

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I'm hating that scum is obfuscating this game rn

What do you want us to do, just claim scum and be done with it?

/s or something

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1. I would rate that as pretty close to a strawman.
2. Yes, you clearly at best were expecting wrong.
3a. I assume that you are reading gobble as very town based on in thread material, yes. At no point have I suggested you were saying your opinions line up with those of gobbles. I have not checked to see if they do. I am interpreting this as similar to you saying gobbles is confirmed town so you'll follow him. Again I'll cite my original post saying you shouldn't need to sheep a townread while being a three headed hydra.
3-bolded. Yeah... no shit... that's why it's a weird thing for you to say you want to sheep someone when you already have reads, since that is a thing people who don't feel good about their reads do...

1. It isn't - if you're assuming the bolded there was "lulzy" then context makes the "I'll sheep!" part also likely lulzy.
2. Yes... clearly.
3a. Sure, but I was talking about Gobble's argument - the whole "established vs potential" stuff was a reply to his line of attack, which you questioned, which I answered. And to your repeated citation I'll cite this whole series of posts of mine, naturally
3. Exactly... such a weird thing to say... and the context around it is clearly memey... so...

Anyway, I'm cutting engagement about this at this point, sorry - either vote me if you think I'm scum who "messed up" and am post-hoc justifying that (lol) or move on.

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Ninja'd.

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Dunno, I think solving independent of game based on individual scum equity is good?
Just that you can't vote for someone in the other game, maybe we can just use hurts.
Whether scum in one game know scum in other or not is important information.

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Eh, I guess all 4 scum know each other. Independence doesn't make much sense.

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RC, do you also think Molla is obvtown?

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If we catch a scum, we may want to consider focusing on the other game for a bit as the probability of lynching scum in the other game is then higher.

Yes, but lynch the second scum and both towns win.

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I mean Game B is slow as fuck right now so it'll probably be like a few days before people wake up.

And why does that matter? Nothing prevents them from commenting on this game. Lynching both scum here wins them the game, too.

"My game hasn't built momentum yet" is an invalid excuse.

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Because no one is really doing anything in Game B. It's slow. No one is really making plays.

And that stops someone from Game B forming reads from Game A's list how?

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I mean that would mean that Game B would be active enough to push people.

Yes, I'm only saying that lurking because their game isn't moving can't be accepted as an excuse

Molla, I don't see any vitriol directed towards you from her. What are you referring to specifically? Skimmed her ISO, maybe I'm not reading right.

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Egads! No, you're right. I shouldn't have misread.

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Doesn't that make this pretty townsided?
Never mind me actually.

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Oh

hellz yeah

it's my man Not_Mafia, I have a policy never-vote on the guy

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God just vote me and move on ffs Sushi

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I am indeed a fascinating horse.

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Gobble didn't like me sheeping him... I guess I'll sheep Not_Mafia then

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@Gobbles: I think the game will declare us scum if we revealed one of our heads although, of course, incorrectly so.
Also, my scumhunting will probably turn much more aggressive and visible as the game progresses, you've seen it before

To NSG: I was referring to Nancy in this post.
She's unable to get herself to post right now due to a few reasons.
If she was able to, I'd absolutely be making her post if we were scum.

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(although the conversation i'm reading between them and shuichi does them no favors, now that i think about it—i might've scumread them anyways)

I'm very interested in this particular part - what in our current conversation would lead you to a scumread?

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if she's unable to post then that would presumably be true regardless of alignment.

so why mention that you'd be making her post as scum?

I added the conditional "if she was able to", no?

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you never really gave shiuichi a chance to be town.

And what does that mean?

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I don't think I need to "offer a chance" for him to be town. I'll say that my expressed annoyance is fake and I was still trolling around.
I'm not making any real attempt at being townread myself apart from the partial solving that I'm, er,

naturally

doing (hehe) so I'll concede that as well.

right, but she's not able to. so what's the relevance? or, to put it another way, what relevant information am i supposed to take away from that? saying that she can't post – okay, that's new information. saying that if she could post (she can't) and if you guys were scum you would make her post – why bring it up?

Simple. There's a case to be made that I'm lying about her inability to post actively, and that I'm making up an excuse for her lurking; I'm pointing out that that's unlikely.

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i see.

i hope i didn't come off as too anti-social "why are you talking to me, what is the relevance of this conversation". just wanted some insight into your mindset.

I don't care about all that, and that's completely cool by me.
BUT, I'm actually wondering how you missed that and instead readily believed my explanation - it almost feels like you know I'm town, NSG.

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Okay, then. Well, I will say that she initially wasn't very fond of my deciding to troll around, but she does find it amusing.

I'll list off some reads of her from Discord:
Molla probably town as his progression on NSG looks genuine, although he's not an easy read.
Gamma probably town.
Elmo seemed scummy.
And pointed out a towntell for RC.

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there is also the fact that it's not exactly clear that your last line has "even if i am lying" implicit in it. i think that a reading of your post in which you take it that the author believes what they are saying still has the inconsistency which i brought up.

it feels like overjustification, especially given that i've never said that it's because of her not posting that her presence scum-inclines your slot. like, "she can't post, but even if she could i'd be making her post if we were scum, so either way you're wrong". like, just mentioning that she can't post seems like justification enough to me. a plausible thought explaining the last line to me went something like "oh no, ND lurking is getting us scumread as i knew would happen, need to deny it on multiple fronts" or something like that. that's a bit exaggerated but i'm not sure of a better way to word the thought i had.

I think specifically phrasing it as "if she was able to" implies that I know I could be lying about it? I'm aware of what my posts come off like.
I know that ND lurking would begin to get us scumread (I posted it earlier) and I do want to pre-emptively shut down that line of attack on multiple fronts.
This is consistent with my posting much earlier that people will start scumreading us if they figured out her identity.
I don't think "overjustification" is the appropriate word when there are multiple fronts (which I already can predict happening) in the first place.

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I don't know, I'll have to make a more thorough read there. I felt his initial attacks were lacking in depth. I'll write more about this in a bit.

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but i'm not really enjoying reading your posts nsg and i usually enjoy reading your posts

I'll echo this. I like this thought.

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This is becoming a pattern with TH.

Really? Can you cite other instances of over-justification from my end?

Trojan, why would revealing Nancy as a head be reason to instantly scumread you?
Has she posted yet?

knowing that nancy drew is there i might say that they're more likely to be scum. i say that because i think that factors that might influence some people to post differently while in a hydra probably don't apply (or apply less) to nancy drew – that is, i would expect her to post the same as always

I don't see the point of the first question when I've just finished that discussion.
Yes, she posted (and signed).

it's bad for the game because it feels like we're just spinning our wheels and not really going anywhere—no rise and fall of wagons, no push and push back, almost just conversation.

On a side note: I really think we should ignore the possibility of a scum hammerer or anything of the sort. Avoiding placing votes and not getting people to lynch range will obviously affect game readability.

We should absolutely generate and push wagons

. NSG, do you agree?
If you agree, NSG, then why didn't you shut this down when RC asked people not to bring people past L-3 due to "obnoxious scum mechanics"?

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I personally find the risk of someone getting lynched early more bad than not seeing wagon development because I don't find wagon development a useful way to scumhunt but that's just me.

Well, objectively, it gets hard reactions from the rest of town in form of their stances. It moves the game on at the very least.
I think the risk of an early lynch is something we can easily take. I'm ignoring the possibility that town lolhammers.

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I mean leaping to conclusions about why people suspect you.

It sounds basic, but I get guilty conscience from that.

Lulz. Interesting, I did think (or leaped to the conclusion that) an external observer would read that I have no conscience at all with regards to alignment.
Off-topic I think no one should feel guilty for being scum lol, part of what you sign up for and the scum experience is pretty different! There's an equal amount of thought that goes into scumgames for me, as I constantly have to manipulate players and the gamestate towards where I want it to be. I personally derive a lot of satisfaction from hoodwinking town.

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Like I'm hoodwinking all you schmucks who townread me right now.

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Why would I care about it if I was scum?

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I correctly foresaw that as a potential attack, and I think it is legitimate even if incorrect.
I don't want town wasting time pushing me on that reason. Also, I cannot read the people pushing me as effectively as I potentially could.
Therefore, pre-emptive covering of the cases

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I would be participating in this more -- mostly switching my vote between Jorm and TH a lot, I think

Go ahead, I don't mind a wagon on me if you feel like voting.

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I like attention and I like talking.
jjh, what's your read on me? Do you agree/disagree with other pushes made on me?

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Please enlighten the rest of the class

I'll let Nancy do that if she so wishes.

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Ah, I see
VOTE: Jormenlager

L-2

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Uh... because anyone scumreading even for wrong reasons is bad?

Same applies if I'm town, naturally, yeah?

Why wouldn’t you be able to read them properly if they were pushing you for that angle?

It's hard reading someone's mindset when they're making a push based on legitimate reasons.
It's easier catching scum making bullshit accusations (knowing I'm town) versus catching scum making what I think are legitimate accusations.

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feeling really disengaged here

Do you think you're outside your scumrange?
Can you indulge me in some sweet self-meta and talk about your town vs scumgames?

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When I get lynched as scum at least it means town is playing well and correctly and is not necessarily a failure on my part (although it often is haha).

Thank you. However, I would say that your reactions to being scumread have actually been more consistent with this, especially RC's push.
How come your extreme hate of being mislynched hasn't translated into reactions here upon RC's push? You do know he can drive lynches even if everyone else was townreading them before.

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I would like to see a towncase for BBMolla. That's a slot I've had difficulty sorting in the past.

I told you on Discord, his progression on nsg is super townie.

~Nimda

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I would like to see a towncase for BBMolla. That's a slot I've had difficulty sorting in the past.

Scum Molla is really apathetic and doesn't really do anything unless he's getting actively pushed.
Here Molla is actively scumhunting and questioning things without really any push from anyone to do so.

That's my reasoning anyways.

Ehh you’re not being obnoxious

We just think you’re quite likely to be scum although we feel more strongly on jjh

But molla looks like obvtown and Cakes is mindmelding with me on that.

~N

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For the record, I didn't imply Sushi had no content; rather that that there was a lot of fluff. This was direct from my first statement that I found his posts difficult to read.
While propping up Mastina as a town leader to get RC/NSG lynched sounds like a great strategy, why ignore the fact that I did that early game?
It's easy to notice I stopped "sheeping Mastina" quite fast and began voting for my own scumreads.

Okay but that wasn't really true either.
And what made them difficult to read if not density?
I don't think this point is super important but I do think it's bizarre.

Did you stop sheeping mastina before or after it was pointed out that scum might do this?

I always go with my reads but I will sheep anyone I strongly tl whose reads reads don’t contradict mine, so yeah.

~N

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Ehh you’re not being obnoxious

We just think you’re quite likely to be scum although we feel more strongly on jjh

Why do you think jjh is scum here?

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SirCakez is also pretty damn painfully obviously town. His contributions, his analysis, his thoughts, his process, his aura, everything he is doing, pushing, just feels like it is in the right mindset, where even if his reads/reasons aren't right, their sincerity and genuineness means it's probably not from him as scum. Admittedly, he's a strong scum player, but I just don't think what he's doing is him as scum.

Mastina, I'd like you to elaborate on this read. Seeing as most of the game finds him obvtown I might be wrong and just not seeing it, but can you actually show sincerity/genuineness in his posts that's not trivially faked by scum? Can you put his mindset into words and show me how that's very likely to be a town one?

If Mastina is town as a lot of people seem to think wouldn't this point to her distancing from cake therefore cake scum?

Why does town!Mastina distance from ANYONE? Why would town!ANYONE do that?

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Cool, turkey is voting jjh so if you could vote there that would be great

Oh! Well that sucks, I like jjh. Although jjh is not in my game anyway so I don't need to make up an excuse for going back on my word.
Gobbles dictate my vote pls

1. Why me?

2. Datisi is in this hydra?

3. Wants to sheep me?

No.

I was looking on the playerlist for Datisi.

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Ok

I'm thinking there's a 60% chance there's 2 scum in {Sircakez Trojan Jorburmanheimer}

I might feel offended by this if I had been doing a lot more posting. But I think Stux haz been pretty obvtown even without my help.

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If I was Halloween I would be very comfortable voting TH for wanting to sheep me when I have not done very much critical thinking this game. Even if I’m obvtown, I do not feel that certain in my reads and I think my play displays that much.

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Jormengand, which I just realized I have been misspelling, didn't post the thing I want yet, and hasn't posted at all since the read list, so I'm feeling they might have some scum equity. However I also see the logic to scumread Trojan somewhat.
VOTE: Trojan Horses

Thank you SirCakez for answering me, by the way.

Gamma, you’re reading me wrong here.

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Lie could be nontown

You really think so?

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Gobbs why you on the JJ wagon brotha

I don't feel like he is scumhunting. But I don't really think many people in our game are scumhunting. I should be thankful because my real life is in shambles right now so I don't have to put priority on this game.

Talk to me on Mastina? Is your read still based on her opening salvo of posts?

---

I vibe with the Lie Ren scumreads. I am curious why he revealed his main after NSG subtly outted him.
I also feel like NSG knows everything.

Wow, then this would be the 2nd time, Gamma has fooled me recently.

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VOTE: DDL

DDL is in Halloween or Xmas? because Stux told me I couldn’t vote him

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I honestly think Trojan actually has been putting in some serious work, I have a solid townread on them now

Can I get some details here?

I honestly think Trojan actually has been putting in some serious work, I have a solid townread on them now

Can I get some details here?

I'm also interested in this. I'm clearly not taking this game super seriously... I am doing some amount of solving though but I'm curious to hear about what you mean by "serious work".

When I say "serious work", I don't mean actual game solving effort. I just liked the direction they were going and how they were interacting with me. Essentially they shaped up.

I would still like some specifics. I'm wondering how you came to this conclusion based on what they posted between A and B, and also whether you can convince me they're not scum.

Mastina isn’t an easy read but she seems to be pretty genuine here, where she seems kind of off as scum.

Oh that's a really good way of describing it yeah.

As scum I've tried a lifetime to not feel "off" to myself but to this day, never had a scumgame where I didn't feel 'off'. And when I can tell I am 'off' as scum, I can tell that others can tell, too.

Similarly so for as town. Like this game, I can recognize I'm not the normal town mastina but can still feel that I'm *a* town mastina and am not 'off' to a degree where scumreads on me should exist. They shouldn't.

This is also a mastina scumpost. I believe I recall some game where she went on and on about excuses why she didn't match up to her normal self but was totally town, possibly in the absence of anyone pressing her on it.

Mastina talks about her meta all the time, this is NIA for her, she is tonally town. I have never seen her effectively fake that in any game where I’ve played with scum!her.

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I was tl you before I knew that but that read is strengthened by knowing this.

~N

oh, nancy drew is in trojan horses? they might actually be scum, then.

Why? and nope.

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there is also the fact that it's not exactly clear that your last line has "even if i am lying" implicit in it. i think that a reading of your post in which you take it that the author believes what they are saying still has the inconsistency which i brought up.

it feels like overjustification, especially given that i've never said that it's because of her not posting that her presence scum-inclines your slot. like, "she can't post, but even if she could i'd be making her post if we were scum, so either way you're wrong". like, just mentioning that she can't post seems like justification enough to me. a plausible thought explaining the last line to me went something like "oh no, ND lurking is getting us scumread as i knew would happen, need to deny it on multiple fronts" or something like that. that's a bit exaggerated but i'm not sure of a better way to word the thought i had.

FYI, nsg I’m literally grueving a dead friend and haven’t been on MS aq regularily. Check it out, if you think I’m bsinf you.

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Okay, then. Well, I will say that she initially wasn't very fond of my deciding to troll around, but she does find it amusing.

I'll list off some reads of her from Discord:
Molla probably town as his progression on NSG looks genuine, although he's not an easy read.
Gamma probably town.
Elmo seemed scummy.
And pointed out a towntell for RC.

Still think this. Gamma looks like he’s genuinely sorting and molla sounds super townie.

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Why are people so dead this game what the actual fuck

too many dead people to be fucking scum

THIS IS HOW WE LOSE BROS

CAN WE PLEASE NOT LET THIS GAME DIE

Lol this is the fakest shit of all time, this is prime 2008 era shitty scumplay

But what about his nsg progression? Do you not tr that?

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Will hammer Molla when he hits L-1, not reading anything but VCs until that happens, will be back to shitpost as the mood takes me

Why? Are you basing this solely on one post? I don’t think molla fakes that progression on nsg, so no.

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VOTE: Elmo

Going with my gut. I think TH is probably very likely scum.

I strongly recommend a good juice cleanse in that case,

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Okay, then. Well, I will say that she initially wasn't very fond of my deciding to troll around, but she does find it amusing.

I'll list off some reads of her from Discord:
Molla probably town as his progression on NSG looks genuine, although he's not an easy read.
Gamma probably town.
Elmo seemed scummy.

And pointed out a towntell for RC

.

Please enlighten the rest of the class

Town!RC cares a lot about not mislynching and tends to hard defend easy mislynchbait like lhfs. I’ve seen him do that in both DnD and in CoaLITion.

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No. We are not doing this, Nancy. Do not comment on every single post unless you're scumhunting. We do not need general comments that contribute nothing to the game state.

I am. I’m trying to get caught up so sue me.

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I jus think it’s really funny that Gobbles townlocked me as scum in Coalition and both wrongly sr me in Radja’s and this game.

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Spoiler:

I honestly think Trojan actually has been putting in some serious work, I have a solid townread on them now

Can I get some details here?

I honestly think Trojan actually has been putting in some serious work, I have a solid townread on them now

Can I get some details here?

I'm also interested in this. I'm clearly not taking this game super seriously... I am doing some amount of solving though but I'm curious to hear about what you mean by "serious work".

When I say "serious work", I don't mean actual game solving effort. I just liked the direction they were going and how they were interacting with me. Essentially they shaped up.

I would still like some specifics. I'm wondering how you came to this conclusion based on what they posted between A and B, and also whether you can convince me they're not scum.

Mastina isn’t an easy read but she seems to be pretty genuine here, where she seems kind of off as scum.

Oh that's a really good way of describing it yeah.

As scum I've tried a lifetime to not feel "off" to myself but to this day, never had a scumgame where I didn't feel 'off'. And when I can tell I am 'off' as scum, I can tell that others can tell, too.

Similarly so for as town. Like this game, I can recognize I'm not the normal town mastina but can still feel that I'm *a* town mastina and am not 'off' to a degree where scumreads on me should exist. They shouldn't.

This is also a mastina scumpost. I believe I recall some game where she went on and on about excuses why she didn't match up to her normal self but was totally town, possibly in the absence of anyone pressing her on it.

Mastina talks about her meta all the time, this is NIA for her, she is tonally town. I have never seen her effectively fake that in any game where I’ve played with scum!her.

I know she talks about her meta all the time. That's not what I was concerned with.

You'll have to forgive me if I can't grok ~~tone~~~~~.

It takes awhile and not every player can be read off tone but as good as she is, she hasn’t been able to fake the sincerity and genuineness of her town games, especially when it’s as obvious as it is here. In RC uPick, I don’t ever recall her ever making reads the same way she is here. Scum!Mastina almost seems robotic. The passion she expressed while making her tr, especially on Gobbles and Cakes, isn’t something I’ve seen her do as scum.

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there is also the fact that it's not exactly clear that your last line has "even if i am lying" implicit in it. i think that a reading of your post in which you take it that the author believes what they are saying still has the inconsistency which i brought up.

it feels like overjustification, especially given that i've never said that it's because of her not posting that her presence scum-inclines your slot. like, "she can't post, but even if she could i'd be making her post if we were scum, so either way you're wrong". like, just mentioning that she can't post seems like justification enough to me. a plausible thought explaining the last line to me went something like "oh no, ND lurking is getting us scumread as i knew would happen, need to deny it on multiple fronts" or something like that. that's a bit exaggerated but i'm not sure of a better way to word the thought i had.

FYI, nsg I’m literally grueving a dead friend and haven’t been on MS aq regularily. Check it out, if you think I’m bsinf you.

i've never once indicated that i scumread you because of a lack of posts nor have i indicated that i think that you could be lying about not being able to post. i'm sorry to hear about your friend.

Thank you, it’s been really hard. What is your reasoning then? I really don’t understand it.

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Thank you, it’s been really hard. What is your reasoning then? I really don’t understand it.

Nancy I can answer most of your Qs on Discord. I think the hyperpost catchup style makes the game generally harder to read!

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Thank you, it’s been really hard. What is your reasoning then? I really don’t understand it.

Nancy I can answer most of your Qs on Discord. I think the hyperpost catchup style makes the game generally harder to read!

But you haven’t. Neither of you has kept me informed of what’s been happening, so please do. I hydra for a reason.

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But you haven’t. Neither of you has kept me informed of what’s been happening, so please do. I hydra for a reason.

I mean read up and just ask me the Qs on Disc lel, I pinged you a hour or two ago and you didn't respond

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But you haven’t. Neither of you has kept me informed of what’s been happening, so please do. I hydra for a reason.

I mean read up and just ask me the Qs on Disc lel, I pinged you a hour or two ago and you didn't respond

Sorry, I haven’t been checking my Discord either. I’ve been extremely disconnected recently.:/

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there is also the fact that it's not exactly clear that your last line has "even if i am lying" implicit in it. i think that a reading of your post in which you take it that the author believes what they are saying still has the inconsistency which i brought up.

it feels like overjustification, especially given that i've never said that it's because of her not posting that her presence scum-inclines your slot. like, "she can't post, but even if she could i'd be making her post if we were scum, so either way you're wrong". like, just mentioning that she can't post seems like justification enough to me. a plausible thought explaining the last line to me went something like "oh no, ND lurking is getting us scumread as i knew would happen, need to deny it on multiple fronts" or something like that. that's a bit exaggerated but i'm not sure of a better way to word the thought i had.

FYI, nsg I’m literally grueving a dead friend and haven’t been on MS aq regularily. Check it out, if you think I’m bsinf you.

Omg that's terrible...hopefully not Corona virus related?

No, sudden unexpected death due to liver complications resulting from an auto-immune disease. Thanks.