On the Flying Scumsman (Abandoned)

[Blake X Yang]

titus/ego/spiffy/smol

... 4 people... less than 2 days.

mmmm.

-yang

[Blake X Yang]

Blake can you explain why you are town reading Black Hole Deflection because I am not seeing it

~Spiffy

First, the trajectory between 1613 and 1623 reflects very similarly to my own trajectory towards the end of this engagement, without directly being affected by my own. At an early point in the engagement this was based around, I initially found problems with John Cena and had an inkling that scum were involved within that engagement somehow. Popsofctown came in and hinted at Pink Ball potentially being scum, perhaps even scum with John Cena. I decided to poke at her to see if she was getting the same weird feeling that I was, despite the fact that she had already stated that John Cena's perspective was the most relateable to her. I was not expecting a response that she suspected there are no scum within that list. This made me wonder, since she had been fairly active throughout this exchange between John Cena, insomnia, and Pink Ball, what exactly she was looking to get out of this as a member of the scumteam. I thought this trajectory was too strange to be likely from a scum mindset.

Then, 1773 happened. Popsofctown went back on this in order to start pushing insomnia as potential scum, which on the surface does put a damper on my analysis. My initial conclusion was that the trajectory was strange since she had to have been looking to take advantage of the chaos building to set it up for something later, but she willingly defused the situation on her own part against what she had already been thinking before that. Her scumgame is strong enough not to just throw random posts out there and I wasn't exactly putting pressure onto her with my question as much as I was simply asking her to further her thoughts, so the most likely possibility is that she was working from an inner thought process and wasn't inherently reacting to try to find a 'correct' answer to my query.

There's also the fact that at the time, I was becoming more curious about insomnia, and that trajectory makes even less sense if she's scum with him. I believe it wouldn't be hard for her to come up with things to say that make more sense as scum, considering that she's had remarkably little issue doing that throughout the rest of the game as well. Functionally, the whole thing doesn't make any sense from a scum mindset in my eyes, and I find that particularly compelling because I believe that section of the game was the most indicative of alignment for the most slots.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

If a hydra that was not Spiffybringer was killed by the scumteam, there's very good odds we would know exactly which one.

It's a very safe bet that Spiffybringer was the mafia kill.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Trust me.

We would know.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Do we have a tally of how much money each hydra head has earned this game?

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Pine, what have you read and/or what thoughts do you have currently?

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Ok. I'm town and was almost totally confident it was a mislych

Your turn

Could you link any thoughts D1 that conveyed whether he was a mislynch?

there's like 20 walls per person to read into

-yang

[Blake X Yang]

Pine, what have you read and/or what thoughts do you have currently?

-Blake

I’m going to level with you, I’ve barely skimmed anything. I tried to get in at the end of D1 to throw down a vote, but day ended. I don’t really have any strong opinions, as I’ve been way more focused on the mini games, but it’s D2. Time to take things seriously.

Okay.

Let me know when you're more caught up, your slot is one I'm looking at as one of my potential incorrect townreads.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Pine, what have you read and/or what thoughts do you have currently?

-Blake

I’m going to level with you, I’ve barely skimmed anything. I tried to get in at the end of D1 to throw down a vote, but day ended. I don’t really have any strong opinions, as I’ve been way more focused on the mini games, but it’s D2. Time to take things seriously.

Okay.

Let me know when you're more caught up, your slot is one I'm looking at as one of my potential incorrect townreads.

-Blake

That’s reasonable, but I’ve been saying it for a couple of years now - I’m a mid game hero. The penguin shuffle of the early game annoys and disinterests me. I’ve effectively not been playing until now, so I’m a little curious as to how you have any kind of read on me at all.

The same reason I had a townread on Xofelf in Alisae vs Pine.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Yeah winner usually gets more but it'd be nice if you actually said the prize thread since you *only* talked about the $10 and did not mention a first place award, and not every event on day 1 had a first place award

This.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

When you assume that there isn't a first place award, my play was always correct.

I had no reason to assume that the $100 would be given by default, since the only event I played in before this one was the Blackjack one, which did not have any reward for first place.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Offing yourself at the end doesn't seem so clever now, does it Alyssa? I have no idea what a phosgene is, though I probably would have started throwing out letters like P and H, they're way more common in a scientific lexicon than standard English.

why are you dabbing over what was basically a mod error?

It wasn't. Alyssa guessed her own word at the end, and I can't figure out why.

And eww, dabbing.

I cashed out because you had a pretty significantly advantage going into the final two, being the placement of my revealed letters and having the opportunity to guess first after I remove Taly.

I would have taken the risk if I had known there was a $100 prize for being the last man standing.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

i guessed my word mostly because i thought it was obvious

plus i dont think this hydra has gained a concrete +100$ hallmark yet, so getting a little more was nice

need to check our bank account

k who do you guys think scum NKed and who the scummy might be?

-yang

[Blake X Yang]

I will pass.

Good night.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

i guessed my word mostly because i thought it was obvious

plus i dont think this hydra has gained a concrete +100$ hallmark yet, so getting a little more was nice

need to check our bank account

k who do you guys think scum NKed and who the scummy might be?

-yang

This was not a flippant or rhetorical question, and it was posed to the entire playerlist.

I'm not confident in my understanding of what happened last night. Many of the COs guesses seem to make varying amounts of sense.
I dislike CO SirCakez's dismissive attitude towards a changing battlefield.
Similar to CO Blake I feel interested in trying to identify Orange Star COs based on the rhythm of this particular battle, and since CO Spiffeh was someone I had not identified as such I feel pushed towards that strategy even more.

Good to see we have a similar approach.

So, who are the first 3 people you look at / are looking at right now to identify as Orange Star COs?

I'd like to inform all members of Orange Star that I have another post restriction for today. It requires me to imitate any other CO within the game for all of my posts. Blame The Beast.

-Hectic

Any thoughts on the

PB

NK?

-yang

[Blake X Yang]

Disaster Artists is still town.
The Searchers is still town.
Hectic is still town.
Feminist Bloc is still town.

I want to believe that Black Hole Defection, Unapologetically Foxy, and Imperium are still town, but I'm not as certain on that itself. I know Yang has shifted overall somewhat as well, but we haven't had a proper talk about it yet.

Everybody else is back into the assessment pool. None of my other townreads are strong enough at this point to warrant being out of the lynch pool.

For those keeping track at home, those names are Egospray, Mikoto and Kuroko, NL, Equitable Androids, Flavortown, Despair Night, and Latias and Latios.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

I find it more likely that scum were either on the front end of the lynch wagon or simply mostly off of it.

VCs might actually be quite useful in analysis today. Remind me to look through them later.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Shotgun read through the VCs confirm to me that the slots on vanity wagons should hold multiple scum.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

As an aside, I will expect VCA work from Titus today. There will be no excuse of there not being enough to work with, because there definitively is.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

VOTE: Despair Night

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Yes?

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

I find it more likely that scum were either on the front end of the lynch wagon or simply mostly off of it.

VCs might actually be quite useful in analysis today. Remind me to look through them later.

-Blake

Shotgun read through the VCs confirm to me that the slots on vanity wagons should hold multiple scum.

-Blake

Every wagon but Smol yesterday was a vanity wagon. The Smol lynch tested the theory whether scum were apathetic because town was that well coordinated. I would suspect scum were in the 3-6 range of Smol that gave it momentum. The end of day was NAI. The hammer annoyed me personally because I wanted more time to recover but the day was over if I am objectively honest.

Did you roll scum, Titus?

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Ausuka is town.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

I find it more likely that scum were either on the front end of the lynch wagon or simply mostly off of it.

VCs might actually be quite useful in analysis today. Remind me to look through them later.

-Blake

Shotgun read through the VCs confirm to me that the slots on vanity wagons should hold multiple scum.

-Blake

Every wagon but Smol yesterday was a vanity wagon. The Smol lynch tested the theory whether scum were apathetic because town was that well coordinated. I would suspect scum were in the 3-6 range of Smol that gave it momentum. The end of day was NAI. The hammer annoyed me personally because I wanted more time to recover but the day was over if I am objectively honest.

Did you roll scum, Titus?

-Blake

No. My analysis is just the truth. No one in this setup would be threatened by a wagon at L minus 4ish. Anything unthreatening is a vanity wagon. I asked yesterday to start consolidating but I lacked the energy to actually push it.

You may not like reality, but it doesn't change it.

~Titus

You are willing to say that the middle votes are the most suspicious when ever other wagon was perpetually stalled beforehand? When every other wagon essentially vanished once it started? When the looming deadline is inherently a factor that will make people consolidate?

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

I want to know your thoughts about the vanity wagons, Titus.

And don't tell me that wagons with 4 people on it are vanity wagons. You know full well that I mean wagons with 1-2 people on it.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

We'll work on flavor later.

Smol Might was Tokoyami and Dark Shadow. They were aligned with the

Town

Smol Might
Tokoyami		Dark Shadow
Reader ID Faction Role	Eragon Tokoyami Town Hero	Reader ID Faction Role [/align]	ShadowlessCloud Dark Shadow Town Totally not a stand power
Actives [/align]	Passives	Actives	Passives
none.	Class 1A Dorms: You are in a hood with Ankamius and Taly, who you know to be Midoriya and Bakugo.	Black Ankh Your bulletproof ability is extended to Tokoyami for the night. -- Black Fallen Angel Target a head to follow them and determine what types of actions they used during the night. -- Ragnarok Target a hydra. You will kill them.	Power from Darkness You are immune to nightkills, unless you are exposed to light, which will also roleblock you. You may only perform each of your abilities once during the game, and only one ability per night. -- Totally not a Stand Power You will die if Tokoyami dies.
YOU WILL WIN THE GAME WHEN ALL THREATS TO THE TOWN HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED.

Night 1 ends in (expired on 2020-04-16 03:45:31). Actions 1 hour before the end of the night will not be accepted.

Also by this flip, blake and yang were in a hood with smol might.

Did you learn nothing from that, not even when they were active?

-F

The neighborhood has, I believe, 8 or 9 posts within it. Half of them were Yang asking for anything and most of the rest were greetings.

I actually forgot it had existed.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

@mod, blake voted despair for reasons that I will understand soon

Titus

, why are the vote placements 3-6 most likely scum and not earlier or later within the wagon? Is that based on reads or vote analysis?

Because

Feminist

was the 7th vote, and your vote is there.

Spoiler:

i guessed my word mostly because i thought it was obvious

plus i dont think this hydra has gained a concrete +100$ hallmark yet, so getting a little more was nice

need to check our bank account

k who do you guys think scum NKed and who the scummy might be?

-yang

This was not a flippant or rhetorical question, and it was posed to the entire playerlist.

I'm not confident in my understanding of what happened last night. Many of the COs guesses seem to make varying amounts of sense.
I dislike CO SirCakez's dismissive attitude towards a changing battlefield.
Similar to CO Blake I feel interested in trying to identify Orange Star COs based on the rhythm of this particular battle, and since CO Spiffeh was someone I had not identified as such I feel pushed towards that strategy even more.

Good to see we have a similar approach.

So, who are the first 3 people you look at / are looking at right now to identify as Orange Star COs?

I'd like to inform all members of Orange Star that I have another post restriction for today. It requires me to imitate any other CO within the game for all of my posts. Blame The Beast.

-Hectic

Any thoughts on the

PB

NK?

-yang

I don't think it's clear whether Black Hole used a limited power that protects Nightkill CO Power from curvatures, one designed to punish Tag Team Imperium for sharing too much information, or whether CO Spiffeh used his Bodyguard CO Power to rescue Tag Team Imperium. It could be helpful for Tag Team Imperium to message and find out who would die if both a Bodyguard CO Power and a Lightning Rod CO Power are trying to affect the same thing, because it seems unclear to me.


The players I have not identified as Orange Star confidently but am optimistic about are Tag Team Feminist Blocc, Tag Team Equitable Androids, and Tag Team Mikoto x Kuroko. All three are players I had more confidence in their placement as Orange Star COs previously in the game compared to my feelings right now.

what led to the confidence? I'm trying to get a better grasp of the game at the moment, so I'm taking a more inquisitive approach here.

I agree with equitable androids, and i wonder why blake is doubting a confirmed softclaim. Do you have any reason to do so, blake? Would EA and DN stick their nose out in that fashion today if they're scum together?

Also, i think Feminist Bloc matches best with VCA and NKA. They should be the lynch today, but i want to hear from Flavortown about black hole, and from imperium about what happened last night. Several results are still off and imperium must know something more.

-Farkran

EA

had a softclaim?

I'm a bit skeptical that you say

Feminist

is scum off VCA -and- NKA, what's your reasoning?

We'll work on flavor later.

Smol Might was Tokoyami and Dark Shadow. They were aligned with the

Town

Smol Might
Tokoyami		Dark Shadow
Reader ID Faction Role	Eragon Tokoyami Town Hero	Reader ID Faction Role [/align]	ShadowlessCloud Dark Shadow Town Totally not a stand power
Actives [/align]	Passives	Actives	Passives
none.	Class 1A Dorms: You are in a hood with Ankamius and Taly, who you know to be Midoriya and Bakugo.	Black Ankh Your bulletproof ability is extended to Tokoyami for the night. -- Black Fallen Angel Target a head to follow them and determine what types of actions they used during the night. -- Ragnarok Target a hydra. You will kill them.	Power from Darkness You are immune to nightkills, unless you are exposed to light, which will also roleblock you. You may only perform each of your abilities once during the game, and only one ability per night. -- Totally not a Stand Power You will die if Tokoyami dies.
YOU WILL WIN THE GAME WHEN ALL THREATS TO THE TOWN HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED.

Night 1 ends in (expired on 2020-04-16 03:45:31). Actions 1 hour before the end of the night will not be accepted.

Also by this flip, blake and yang were in a hood with smol might.

Did you learn nothing from that, not even when they were active?

-F

The neighborhood has, I believe, 8 or 9 posts within it. Half of them were Yang asking for anything and most of the rest were greetings.

I actually forgot it had existed.

-Blake

yeah, I was over half of those posts trying to stir conversation.

VOTE: Flavortown

I forgot I had a vote.

I asked you about what you felt over the NK on your other head, or so I thought, haha

This is your vote, but there's a wagon on

Feminist

with reasoning that she's scum based off the NK. Thoughts?

-yang

[Blake X Yang]

LMFAO 10/10

...aw shit

oh shit, you lost all your money? D:

so you're mechanically town?

-yang

[Blake X Yang]

Hello.

I did. I was told I was robbed. I had $360.

Why does that make me mechanically town?

shhhhh im waiting for other people to read the assertion

-yang

[Blake X Yang]

This game is impressively lethargic.

Which slots were active yesterday that aren't today?

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Of course I would call this lethargic.

There was a brisk pace throughout most of day one, and it vanished overnight. This is even with a slot that wasn't among the most significant sources of the pacing being removed from the game. That's a rather steep change, wouldn't you think?

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

And yes, I was around in 2011 and 2012.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Almost 100 pages isn’t “brisk,” it’s “breakneck.”

I find the slowdown unremarkable and pleasant. Quit yer bitching.

Tree

Very well.

I will take my leave until something interesting happens, then.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

I will not push you.

I can not and will not promise more.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

If DEB gets night killed, which i don’t think he ever will, do I die with him?

No, unless it's related to your or the killer's role.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Pine, do you have any reads yet?

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

I think that's a rather respectable time.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Interesting.

This looks like a fun test to see if Team Mafia affected my ability to read Eddie Cane.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

John Cena has been transparently town for at least half of the game by this point.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

BoP me on this read if you must, but I will not tolerate a wagon on him while I am still alive.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

VOTE: Equitable Androids

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

John Cena has been transparently town for at least half of the game by this point.

-Blake

Neat! If only I trusted group consensus, but I don't. I don't even trust my own hydra partner's.

This isn't even a majority.

This is largely a read from me only.

-Nlake

[Blake X Yang]

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Pink Ball's scumread is ridiculous, but I don't believe it's necessarily scum indicative.

-Blake

I actually disagree on the first part. I think it has somewhat valid logic behind it. Disaster Artists getting super worked up over this kinda reads scum to me. Like he doesn't want to get caught for something he views as not-AI. If that makes sense. This has been a decently reliable tell for me in the past. 1723 is pretty close to what I'm thinking about the slot.

This is functionally incorrect. I've seen John Cena have similar reactions in the past as town. He understands when a push is not necessarily good for the game, even if he otherwise would be looking to gun them down in the street.

It's also very possible he isn't as convinced on Insomnia being scum as he let on. He tends to not push relentlessly on slots that he isn't absolutely sure are scum.

-Blake

This John Cena is virtually identical to the John Cena in Titus v Alisae.

I would be very shocked if he was not town this game.

-Blake

John Cena has very real towntells that appear very differently within his scumgames. He's somebody you are unlikely to catch as mafia. You catch him by figuring out that he just isn't town.

And his actions this game are simply out of his scumrange.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Basically a prod dodge. I can’t look at a computer any more today. Gonna take a break and play some ff7 and see if my brain unscrambles; I don’t expect to be back Though!

I went through my reads in the neighborhood last night, so I’ll meed to go through them and paraphrase them tomorrow probably.

titus - were you town reading us to such an extent that you would have been fine with us receiving money last night?

John Cena has been transparently town for at least half of the game by this point.

-Blake

BHD - I think you get false positives when a player shows emotion.

In this case, incorrect. I initially scumread his emotion.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

BHD - I think you get false positives when a player shows emotion.

Is this Nacho or Tammy?

For Blake, it seems like the action you think is outside of their range is the DN/JC interaction with the vigs. I think what you're saying seems to reinforce my point. It took JC seemingly forever to remember that insomnia had "these moments", when that should have been one of the first things he realized.

I believe that he was angry, but this looked to me like someone who realized that this push would not benefit him in the longrun even in the best case scenario of getting a DN mislynch. I probably won't look at it again anytime soon but pops isn't voting here and I should probably just focus elsewhere.

I've seen this exact same behavior in his town games. I've also seen him make pushes as scum. Emotion for him is not alignment indicative, but my initial impression that he was potentially scum for not acting upon that was overshadowed by the town response he gave me when I pressured him upon it. It reminds me of, again, a previous town game.

This by itself would not be enough for him to be obviously town, but I expressed it as such at the time because it became inherently disadvantageous to town for a wagon on him to form. Over time, however, the way he bounced back from this altercation has given enough cause for a townread of that strength to be warranted.

However, this I will say. If I die sooner rather than later and John Cena is still alive when there is in the ballpark of five hydras left, then lynch him. Before then, I am shielding him.

I was referring to orism with the emotion comment.

I was unclear, which is why I need to step away from the computer.

This explains why "Bad Hair Day" didn't quite seem to fit what you were saying.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Thank you.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Good night.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

sorry for lack of transparency but this head is VLA until

thursday

and has been since Sunday, haha

-yang

[Blake X Yang]

Have you already asked the obvious question to the mod regarding that?

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Never mind I'm just memeing don't listen to me.

So do you believe it's possible for hydras to have different alignments across heads or not?

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Yang will be finished with her schoolwork in the matter of days. At that point, we will organize our thoughts fully.

Until then, I will remain as I am.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

As you might have been able to surmise, I've been looking to reframe my view of the game. I also am not as interested in you specifically at the moment as of now, and will not be looking to rebuild my view of the game until I have my rock here to share thoughts with.

I'm unsure if I have stated this here or not yet, but I'm also very close to burnout on mafia in general, so I'm being careful not to extend too far otherwise.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

My vote is on you? This is news to me.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

My own VCA.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

I've mentioned before, the slots that were on vanity wagons are the most suspicious slots.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

When you assume that there isn't a first place award, my play was always correct.

I had no reason to assume that the $100 would be given by default, since the only event I played in before this one was the Blackjack one, which did not have any reward for first place.

-Blake

Again it was a rerun so you had a previous data set to look at. Not too concerned about this because this is probably an anti-scum tell but it's silly.

-Latios

I paid no attention to the events before the ones I played in.

The first event I had joined didn't have a first place prize. Everybody had their own cash payout.

The second event was shown to have individual cash payouts, and there was no mention of a first place payout.

I maintain that in these conditions, it was reasonable to assume that there was no first place prize, and therefore my play was correct from my own point of view.

This doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things and I was never that upset about it in the first place, but it still is an oversight that potentially shifted the outcome of that event.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

I'm getting that political posting sense again.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

You're doing a remarkable job of taking the safe route to any situation, Farkran.

Your list of townreads are people nobody is contesting.
Your scumreads and lynchable list includes one of the only two slots that have had scumreads on you this game, the slot that hasn't been around, the other slot that hasn't been around, the slot with the most content that isn't universally townread, and the slot with a player that openly isn't playing combined with a notably easy push player.

The blunt truth is that you have not done anything significantly town this game. I'm strongly questioning your decision to park on a vanity vote towards the end of day one followed by an apathy wagon. Not only this, but you defending the counter wagon by VCA when they had literally responded to my pressure by stating that every wagon outside of the lynch wagon was a vanity wagon is absolutely asinine.

I'm not convinced these events are doing more than damaging town's chances of winning now that I think about it.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

That was a lot of words to say nothing.

I'm impressed.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Why have you been absent, gobble?

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

The questionnaire.

Otherwise no.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

For what it’s worth, I’m invested in Blake vs Farkran, and think there’s a scum in there.

I get what Blake’s pushing Farkran for in the political sense, and I’ve been town reading Blake for a bit, at least in the sense of they’re one of the people’s who’s posts I read to get a grasp of what’s going on, and to see their thought process.

I’m not invested enough yet to push this further, but I’m posting this for me later. I could be wrong and Blake’s scum, but I’ve been burnt by that before, and i usually don’t naturally town read them, so this is different.

Alternatively, I DO feel a different feeling from Farkran as I usually do. I won’t push either of these further until I have a better grasp.

~FL

I could also see them as both Town, but i don’t think they are both ever scum here. Does this make sense?

Now that I'm thinking of it, what exactly was your thought process when approaching my slot in the Team Mafia Large Theme?

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

For what it’s worth, I’m invested in Blake vs Farkran, and think there’s a scum in there.

I get what Blake’s pushing Farkran for in the political sense, and I’ve been town reading Blake for a bit, at least in the sense of they’re one of the people’s who’s posts I read to get a grasp of what’s going on, and to see their thought process.

I’m not invested enough yet to push this further, but I’m posting this for me later. I could be wrong and Blake’s scum, but I’ve been burnt by that before, and i usually don’t naturally town read them, so this is different.

Alternatively, I DO feel a different feeling from Farkran as I usually do. I won’t push either of these further until I have a better grasp.

~FL

I could also see them as both Town, but i don’t think they are both ever scum here. Does this make sense?

Now that I'm thinking of it, what exactly was your thought process when approaching my slot in the Team Mafia Large Theme?

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

I have no idea how that double posted.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

We seriously only have two days left?

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

VOTE: Mikoto and Kuroko

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

I guess my issue with Blake and Yang’s “deconstruction” of the MK reads list is that I don’t know who each comment refers to. But looking through the MK iso really quickly it looks like a readslist the slot has been advocating for a long time and it seems disingenuous to say that MK is now pushing easy slots when at the time the readslist was created there wasn’t enough information to call those slots easy to push.

There’s also me questioning Blake because my recent games with Blake left a lot to be desired and her vote on me also leaves a lot to be desired. Blake is someone I can’t read though and multiple games with her has proven that. That said those multiple games have also made me reluctant to really follow what Blake says

Here you go. This is the entirety of why I am scumreading that slot.

Spoiler:

Ok good Blake's town too

-JC

Why?

Hello!

I just noticed how much of an explosive playerlist we have here. Like, all of the players from my lovely dreams and worst nightmares are here! I mean it in a positive sense though (looking at nacho and prism )

So, people who have already played with me, please let me know if you are town as soon as possible so that we can start a healthy and productive relationship. I'll read what you have written early and ask you questions.

Also nice to meet you to all the other people. Don't worry, i'll be bothering you soon enough.

-Farkran

This post is strangely cordial in a way I've yet to see from you in games. Is this something I should be worrying about from you?

-Blake

I will probably go into why I scumread Mikoto and Kuroko later today. It mostly depends on whether my motivation for mafia maintains itself throughout the day.

I will note that I am untested with Farkran's scumgame and I have an inconsistent record at reading Bitmap, but I still believe that from what I know of how they play, both their approaches look more likely to come from a scum PM than a town PM.

-Blake

as I've alluded to earlier today I think that farkran tries to carry himself through scumgames through sheer willpower - he's willing to press ridiculous angles or drop bullshit reasoning on a whim despite his town game actually being pretty reasonable/badass

I get the same vibes from his game this game with the caveat that tammy told me that it gets better before she passed out and also i'm incredibly drunk so maybe i'm not looking at the game as closely as I should be but I have ~great expectations~ surrounding that slot and so far they haven't delivered

It's entirely possible.

I mainly bring up the untested bit with Farkran because I've played with him twice so far, although both times he was scumreading me early and consistently I was also able to correctly determine him as town early on both times.

This game, it's possible I'm allowing his wait and see approach regarding my slot to color my opinion of him more than it should, but I've gotten no impression from his posts that his mindset is how he says he approaches every game.

Bitmap, as well, feels very similar to how he did in Titus vs Alisae. I mistakenly attributed it to him being a mason in that game, but there is no stick excuse here.

-Blake

Interesting.

I don't remember Farkran ever shading slots like he is here before.

-Blake

Interesting post from Yang, whereas i remember a terrible push from blake happening several pages ahead of where i am at. These two hydra are both reasonably active (not top posters, but also definitely not lurkers) but do not seem to be privately communicating about their opinions. I have just recently played my first game in a hydra with alisae, and we've been collaborating the shit out of that game as a town slot. This hydra with bitmap is vastly different, but that's because bitmap is fairly disengaged with the game so far.

Yet, i would expect that taly/alyssa would be much more in line with their posting, and seeing these independent strikes from them is not something i'm fancying right now. Their voting pattern is also a bit weird based on progression, but i'll go about this later when i get to blake posts.

-Farkran

This is how all my hydras play. If I'm in line or consistently syncing with my hydra partner within a game, there's very good odds I'm either not posting at all or having very little presence in the main thread.

Scumreading based off this is fallacious.

On to stronger reads:

707+781 from despair were good. I think very few slots have actually realized that my initial read on egospray and the question to despair was aimed to get out from RVS rather than pushing something consistent. We were, like, page 6 when that happened? I prodded two slots to deliver content, and gave everyone else something to analyze.

A lot of people focused on that exchange as if it was a push that scum would make - which only makes sense from slots who want to join the 1v1 to sort me and also giving more content for other people to analyze. I liked those, and i also liked the slots who picked the RT up and tried to analyze it from a distance. Imperium's 705+711+777 is nitpicking on details but i can see them trying to identify how town!Farkran works as opposed to undertalescum!Fark. I feel like they are pausing to assess if i am actually trying to bullshit push my way or not in this game, and that's a proper approach to my introductory posts.

I disliked slots who are ignoring the current gamestate and are not proactively trying to improve it. I feel like scum would find lurking an efficient strategy in this game, and that's why i am not fond of NL and egospray himself yet.

Other slots, such as blake/yang, have used that exchange to make a push on me way later into the game, without pausing to analyze my intent when i posted that. Another element that points at blake/yang being scum is the dissonance in yang's readlists vs their analysis on my slot. They have a dislike of egospray (which i am voting), yet they never proactively examined the slot and went with voting me instead. This might be NAI for egospray but it's definitely AI for blake/yang. Post 670 was terrible in this context, basically entirely made of consensus townreads, nullreads on plausible scum and scumreads on town. 775 and 780 are simply shooting the shit because that's nowhere near a solid hold to make a push on my slot so far. I think they would have reason to remove me if they are scum, definitely not if they are town.

VOTE: Blake and Yang i feel like i have identified a scum motivated push.

Willing to listen more about egospray, i don't see these two slots as disaligned.

-Farkran

This post entirely assumes that you are obviously town up to this point, which you are not.

You've been playing very differently from both other games I've played with you, even taking our discord conversations into account. I have a personality read on you that makes me strongly believe that you would challenge scumreads similarly to the way skitter30 confronts me when she believes she's obviously town and yet I'm voting her anyway. The way you're going about this exchange does not give me the same impression. The way you're going about this exchange gives me much more of an impression that you are attempting to build up enough initial credibility to properly challenge the scumread and brute force an advantage to cut the momentum short.

I don't remember ever seeing you do this as town rather than just confrontation and pressure. This political speak is unbecoming of you.

-Blake

I'm very confused why I should necessarily be focusing on my scumreads.

-Blake

I asked you long ago what was your confidence level on your read of me. You didn't answer. You can answer now, and clear your confusion by yourself based on that answer.

-Farkran

That depends on which point in the game you are referring to.

-Blake

Feel free to elaborate your progression, as i just said to yang i don't see how keeping it hidden would help town, nor how outing it would help scum. Out your scumcase.

-Farkran

1. Your initial entrances to the game across both heads gave the impression of a scum mindset rather than a town one. Your entrance to the game was strangely more cordial than what I've been used to seeing from you. I will go into Bitmap's entrance and why I believe that was scum motivated later on.

2. When I called you out, your response was to take the time to set up your counterpush with shade and by taking the time to go into your other reads first. My personality read on you suggests that you would wish to challenge me outright immediately instead of the political approach that you instead used. I strongly suspect that your approach is based on increasing your own odds of winning the upcoming engagement as much as possible in order to stall the momentum rather than risking a direct confrontation immediately and coming across as defensive or starting on the back foot in this engagement.

At this point, I had already decided I would not be engaging into this, as it had a high likelihood of outright derailing the game, and the quality of the playerlist is high enough that even with this slot getting lynched day one and flipping scum, it would turn out better for the scumteam in the long run. It is far more productive to put pressure on the rest of the game in the way that I'm best able to, by methodically identifying town. I also am knowledgeable enough about how debates and general discourse works to know that when players are on opposite sides, those who decide the topic of the engagement have a distinct advantage in how it plays out.

3. When I stopped engaging into you, you became more aggressive in your attacks, but only at specific times. Notably, you started pushing me for not proactively pushing for my nullreads to give better content, not analyzing your process when you have no evidence that I am not already doing so, and for not focusing on my scumreads rather than townreads when I do engage into the game more completely. You have gone on record in your initial counterattack that you believe I am scum for my townreads being consensus townreads as well as my scumreads being your townreads while my nullreads are your scumreads. This is not an approach to sort my slot, which you are claiming to do. This is looking to poke holes in my play to weaken my position as much as you are able, likely to weaken my influence since there are several slots that have already properly identified that I am town. Notably, you have been shifting your approach towards this while also challenging people on their townreads of me. You aren't trying to get a scumread lynched. This is very notably different than your play in Korina is a Cultist, where even with the amount of resistance you got towards lynching me, you still stubbornly pressed on regardless because it was a genuine read.

4. Bitmap's posting is not town. He has played just like he had in Titus v Alisae, most notably that he understands he needs to do specific things, but doesn't actually do them. He has done remarkably little in the game, mentioned early on that he needs to obvtown in this game, and then continues doing next to nothing outside of a single wallpost. He similarly played halfheartedly in Titus v Alisae, to the point where when one of the scumteam's ideas for how to handle the game was to neutralize me with a neighborhood, I got remarkably little within it until it was made clear that I had another neighborhood with a player I trusted more than him. At that point, he became frantic and tried to desperately save himself to no avail. I get a similar impression that he is halfheartedly playing the game, knowing he needs to make his alignment obvious but making no strong strides to make it so.

5. I saw an opportunity to sort you once and for all after that selfsame engagement that gave me strong townreads. You started to go down the path that I initially did, scumreading John Cena for the same reasons I started to. However, you missed something absolutely critical that I was steering you towards. I know Krazy very well, and I know Insomnia well enough to understand how a 1v1 between them would go. Krazy is also aware of this and why it's a bad idea. It's simply a much better idea, if he believes that insomnia is legitimately scum, to kill him at night to drastically reduce his influence while saving the lynch today for more productive means. This is the unique utility of the vigilante role in this game. You can remove people from the game without removing their voice, so the vigilante role is much more useful as a tool to manipulate the game rather than getting flips. It suddenly is not inherently a bad idea to shoot somebody you know is town that is disrupting the game, because you don't simply remove their voice entirely as much as remove their direct influence on the game in a favor of indirect influence. You callously ignored that in favor of a scum lynch always being the better option regardless of who it is, which is a naive point of view in general, but it especially is in this game where roles serve different functions than they would normally serve. I was prepared to sort you based on how you progressed past this initial stage, since this alone is insufficient due to your insistence that I go into my read on you throughout the game and the fact that this is ground I had already treaded beforehand. Sadly, the way you went back to this ideal indicates that this correlation can't at all be ruled out, so I can't call this progression town even though on the surface it is valid. It notably is an easy thing to push as well since John Cena's part in that engagement was not popular.

I do not plan to engage you on this further. Cease the attempts.

-Blake

I actually did read Blake's wall, and I've learnt that I have a hard time following people. I apparently have an unconventional way of reading people, and not seeing that template being applied to reading Farkran, I'm inclined to call out half those points as absolute WIFOM. The timing of pushes, him doing something in order to...<cite a scum action that could just as easily be confused for a town>

I respect you as a player Blake, I will analyse Fark with deeper thought.

Any other scum reads?

~som

I have a personality read on Farkran which I believe to be correct, predominantly because of interactions outside of mafia and the confirmation that my suspicion that he would be able to read this personality more easily was proven correct.

Everything that I have posted in that wall has been tested against that specific read, and the differences from what I would expect are those I could easily see as coming from a difference in alignment. This is especially the case with the knowledge that Farkran's scumgame is not weak.

I currently don't have other scumreads, no. I've been mostly townhunting for the moment and the other slots I'm notably not townreading don't equate to a scumread at this point as of now. I don't have enough confidence in my overall read strength in this game to be able to decipher what that means with any certainty at this point, and it's unlikely I will be able to today with thirty four players to parse and only a few days left in the day phase.

-Blake

What is my motive for attacking you?

-Blake

I guess this was directed at me then?

I clearly cannot read your ankamius/alyssa personality, but i made a good job reading blake when you tested me for it. 2 correct results with a 50% EV don't make a valid statistic sample, but it's there.

You, on the other hand, have always made a good job reading me in the games we played together. It's weird for me to believe that your only scumread, on a player you know reasonably well, is so wrong and based on a terrible push such as "my expectations for you weren't met, so you must be scum and i'm ready to end the day on it". You also respect me as a player, based on your comments about my playstyle in the past (my current Farkran signature is a quote of yours). This is a very valid reason to fear me in this game, but the playerlist is also pretty loaded and i wouldn't be so presumptuous as to think i would be the ONLY player you fear. You could think that i am one of the easiest to mislynch, though - my playstyle irks people and i wouldn't be surprised if you are trying to exploit that. I would be much more surprised to find that you are truly disappointed in my play here and decided to scumread me for it rather than explore elsewhere, and we're going to talk again if you flip town.

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The aforementioned games are what i have been tested for while chatting in discord with Alyssa. Post #760 in the second game shows that scum!blake can townhunt and tunnel on a specific town player. This is for you @DA.

That being said, this game is vastly different than either of those and i have no reason to expect Blake has read ALL my meta as opposed to the only two games we played together (Large Theme TM and anarchist thing, both in my wiki for reference). The large TM is indicative of my town meta, but i only lasted 3 irl days. The anarchist thing, i wasn't even town.

-Farkran

In both of the games we have played before this, your alignment was clear to me very early on because of how you were presenting your reads.

In Team Mafia 2020 Large, your grievances with my play were borne of ignorance of how I play the game, and it was done in a way that I can easily see a town thought process reaching. The way you were explaining your reads were from a similar vein, since the pressure points you were applying onto the game were perfectly congruent with your thought processes. Even with an idea that your scumgame likely is not weak, and at that stage I had no knowledge of your scumgame outside of a small sample of a game I had previously skimmed idly, I could tell that this level of congruence is very hard to fake and that the effort required to reach this combined with the relatively low level of potential payoff is pretty significant evidence that it's unlikely to be a mafia thought process regardless.

In Korina is a Cultist, you are correct that your alignment wasn't town. However, I went into that game distinguishing the Anarchist as no different than town, since the Anarchist has every reason to want to find the cultist's identities and to be town. You channeled this well enough that it was pretty clear that even though your scumread on me was rather weak and stretchy, it wasn't coming from a need to get a particular mislynch or to survive the day. The fact that you kept along the same vector without wavering was strongly town indicative.

This game is different. I have enough of a read into your personality to understand that you would find playing scum in a game like this a challenge to throw everything into, so it's very unlikely that raw effort is going to be indicative of town. I found your initial entrance strange, as I had no recollection of you ever greeting people the way you did, and it gave me the impression that you were attempting to get on people's good side immediately. Political play over solving play. I pushed this as a toneread to get an idea of how you would respond, since a lot of scum with little experience struggle to transition from a more jovial friendly tone to a serious one at the start of a game. Your response here was also strange compared to my previous experience, as you took the time to shade my attack specifically in a previous post before directly addressing it. You doing this combined with the amount of work you went into going into your weaker reads first, which I also found strange independently as I have seen you mostly go into your stronger reads early on, only strengthened my read that you are playing politically in this game.

This is where the majority of my strong scumread on you came from.

I decided around this point that attempting to lynch you today was unlikely to be worth it, and that putting pressure on your team as a whole by looking to identify as many town as possible was a better strategy to potentially force the scumteam to make a move later on down the line. A secondary reason was to find a compromise vote that is likely to hold one of your partners. The constant attempts to drag me back to the topic of my scumread on you struck me as an attempt to drive me away from this goal, as I strongly suspect that you understand that one of, if not the biggest strengths of your play is that you can handle most people in a direct fight. I can tell this without having personally experienced it of your scumgame beforehand. It strongly doesn't help that when I do engage with you, you have shown them to be bad faith engagements. Just two examples I can think of on the top of my head is:

First, accusing me of tunneling you when my only mentions of you within dozens of pages was directly responding to you.
Second, downplaying my read on Bitmap by saying that you do not believe that my read on both players within your slot are different, despite me explaining exactly why I was scumreading the Bitmap half of your slot.

I've seen you make these arguments of backwards logic and similar things as your entire argument against entire points, and you've made a point of directly addressing people without giving me the impression that your read on the game has been changing with these engagements. I don't see an underlying thought process with how you're handling pressure, and I strongly believe that you are much better than to simply dismiss things from players for having different reads than you.

I'm scumreading your entire approach to the game and how it's manifesting in your posts. It is not directly because of disappointment that I am scumreading you, although I will say that in the case that you are town, I am disappointed at how you have been handling pressure throughout the game.

-Blake

I'm trying to have blake dish out content. I asked her at least 3 times to produce content about other people. I have been talking to other people to help me sort Blake, because honestly i have no clear read on them. I only have her bopped on her knowledge of me, and my disappointment in seeing that she is unwilling to expand her scumpool in a way that only makes sense if she is scum, but i'd say this kind of reasoning is correct less than 50% of the times. Anyways, pops, being in the spotlight is part of my playstyle and analyzing pushes against me is a major tool for sorting people.

That being said, i have been reading spiffy and he brought up a point that is probably interesting about the Feminist Bloc slot. To be fair, i am also starting to think that the most vocal players, or at least the majority of them, are town.

-Farkran

I find this to be bullshit.

I've strongly pushed for having townreads over scumreads in both games you've played with me, and it's been a staple in almost every single game I have played in the last year.

The games where I have multiple strong scumreads are likely games where I can get a grasp on what's happening in a macro sense very early on. It's rare that I have multiple scumreads before that point, and it generally means that I'm going to struggle in a game where I do.

-Blake

It makes little logical sense for Farkran to stick to these failed pushes when egospray is within his lynchable list and has a realistic chance of being pushed through.

Its also nonsensical in the sense that he isn't attempting to stop the Smol Might wagon either, he's passively allowing it to happen.

-Blake

You're doing a remarkable job of taking the safe route to any situation, Farkran.

Your list of townreads are people nobody is contesting.
Your scumreads and lynchable list includes one of the only two slots that have had scumreads on you this game, the slot that hasn't been around, the other slot that hasn't been around, the slot with the most content that isn't universally townread, and the slot with a player that openly isn't playing combined with a notably easy push player.

The blunt truth is that you have not done anything significantly town this game. I'm strongly questioning your decision to park on a vanity vote towards the end of day one followed by an apathy wagon. Not only this, but you defending the counter wagon by VCA when they had literally responded to my pressure by stating that every wagon outside of the lynch wagon was a vanity wagon is absolutely asinine.

I'm not convinced these events are doing more than damaging town's chances of winning now that I think about it.

-Blake

That was a lot of words to say nothing.

I'm impressed.

-Blake

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

It is 4:30AM where I am currently.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Ok then

FULL CLAIM TIME

I am a natural vigilante, i have access to unlimited ONE-HEAD shots, and 1-per-game full hydra shot.

Last night i shot the Blake head, who didn't die - that's why i assumed spiffy (who was hardtownreading Blake, check his ISO) protected her via bodyguard. We did not use the full hydra shot because imperium's Follow Me would have caused collateral damage, but the one-head shot would have been a net 0, thanks to bitmap's ability, so we used that instead.

Bitmap is a jailkeeper, he can roleblock+protect ONE HEAD.

He protectively jailkept Hectic, who at the time was consensus townread by most of the players including us. This is, in my opinion, the reason why only pinkball died and why i keep saying that Cappy was the real scum kill. We have no idea why the Firebringer head died though.
Bitmap's ability also states that, if the jailkept target has a bounty (similar to how the pirates did), they would also become silenced for the next day phase and we would gain a PT hood with the target. This did not happen, so hectic must not have a bounty on his rolepm.

-Farkran

I do not buy this claim.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

My slot will be deleting Mikoto and Kuroko tonight.

VOTE: Egospray

[Blake X Yang]

I don't get why CO Blake would claim to have a CO power Vigilante immediately after learning that a CO she thinks is with Black Hole has CO Power Jailkeeper.
I can't actually figure out why that would make sense as an Black Hole tactic either! I'm just annoyed! Gah!

I am not afraid of the jailkeeper regardless of whether it's a factual or fake claim.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

I am hardclaiming a vig shot on Firebringer.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Just Firebringer.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

I mean I guess thanks but why take him out?

Partially because it removes potential noise from the game, partially because it's in character, and partially because there were very few good solo head targets at that time.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Yeah not shooting MK sure is weird

Like, not even Bitmap. Bitmap’s always a better shot than FB.

If you actually stopped to think about what the vig actually does, you'd understand why we didn't shoot within that hydra.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

You claimed a head shot not a full hydra shot

Yes, exactly.

That is why we didn't shoot Mikoto or Kuroko.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Well you shoot one head and then the other and it’s the same outcome

This gives no inherent utility before the second night.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

What utility did you get from shooting FB instead of your scum read?

You didn’t have to read bad jokes?

I already explained this.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Shotgun read through the VCs confirm to me that the slots on

vanity wagons should hold multiple scum

.

-Blake

I've mentioned before,

the slots that were on vanity wagons are the most suspicious slots

.

-Blake

You're doing a remarkable job of taking the safe route to any situation, Farkran.

Your list of townreads are people nobody is contesting.
Your scumreads and lynchable list includes one of the only two slots that have had scumreads on you this game, the slot that hasn't been around, the other slot that hasn't been around, the slot with the most content that isn't universally townread, and the slot with a player that openly isn't playing combined with a notably easy push player.

The blunt truth is that you have not done anything significantly town this game. I'm strongly questioning your decision to park on a vanity vote

towards the end of day one followed by an apathy wagon. Not only this, but you defending the counter wagon by VCA when they had literally responded to my pressure by stating that every wagon outside of the lynch wagon was a vanity wagon is absolutely asinine.
I'm not convinced these events are doing more than damaging town's chances of winning now that I think about it.

-Blake

I am hardclaiming a vig shot on

Firebringer

.

-Blake

VOTE COUNT 1 . FINAL

Smol Might

------------ 9 ( Equitable Androids, Egopsray, Blake x Yang,

Spiffybringer

, The Searchers, Cappy, Feminist Blocc, Black Hole Defection, Disaster Artists )

Feminist Blocc

-------- 2 ( Mikoto and Kuroko, Despair Night )

I mean are you even serious?

-Farkran

Cease twisting the facts and I will respond to you.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Wanna explain the immune part as well?

No part of my role indicates immunity to nightkills.

[Blake X Yang]

It is surprising if Blake couldn't find a CO that annoyed her similarly to CO Firebringer, that also was more likely to be with Black Hole than Orange Star.

Did something late in day 1 make you suspicious of Tag Team SpiffyBringer, CO Blake?

No.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

I don't think amassing enough artillery to kill Blake is realistic, although I definitely don't feel better about her loyalties right now. Targeting CO Firebringer seems a lot more like a Black Hole tactic she felt confident she could justify for Orange Star purposes rather than the natural outcome of an Orange Star Blake and Yang calculating the ability's upsides and downsides night one.

It might not even be ideal to use your CO power on her now that you've telegraphed it so much. Unpredictability is powerful.

I mean I guess thanks but why take him out?

Partially because it removes potential noise from the game, partially because it's in character, and partially because there were very few good solo head targets at that time.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

This game stopped being interesting after day one.

I'll likely put this game at the bottom of my list in what I feel like putting effort into from this point on.

Sorry.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

VOTE: Equitable Androids

Shrug.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

By the way, lynching us today is an unacceptable course of action.

We received Firebringer's hydra head revive and will be using it on Pink Ball tonight.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

For those keeping track at home, this directly means that any trackers or watchers should be checking for this. If Mikoto and Kuroko jailkeep either of our heads, they should not be allowed to survive day three.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Pops, are you okay?

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Everytime I'm wondering which one is the active Black Hole there has to be at least on right right right (?) it has to be blake but she's so -confident-

it's genuinely the case that blake and ank are more than a pallette swap
and i feel like its made this game bonier

I don't understand what the second paragraph means.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Please point it out to me.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Oh.

I see.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Farkran, its okay to admit you just don't want to get shot.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Oh, please.

I've explained one. Two is fundamentally incorrect as you obviously look informed. Three is incorrect because there is little gain in outing all my cards while there is value in hiding them.

If you're town, you have a very basic way of viewing my actions and this game in general. If you're scum, you're just looking to prevent your own death.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

I'm going to be disgusted if this actually goes through.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Allow me to spell this out so that everybody can clearly understand.

I am claiming a confirmable ability and asking it to be certified. The slot I am threatening to kill has the ability to flip my slot overnight. I've literally made the jailkeep use on my slot anti-town. We are hard committing to reviving the head that is widely thought to be the scumkill.

This town is deplorable if this results in a lynch.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Allow me to spell this out so that everybody can clearly understand.

I am claiming a confirmable ability and asking it to be certified. The slot I am threatening to kill has the ability to flip my slot overnight. I've literally made the jailkeep use on my slot anti-town. We are hard committing to reviving the head that is widely thought to be the scumkill.

This town is deplorable if this results in a lynch.

-Blake

It only requires a roleblock on me to save your sorry ass from my shot and you know that. Nacho has been blocked n1, this is a confirmed fact and you know it so don't try to buy your life with newbie theories.

-Farkran

Funny.

That also goes for my hydra head revive.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

I'm not even joking, if blake flips town in this game i'm quitting mafia. That's how much sure i am.

I'm sad that you're going to quit the game over something this ridiculous, but alright.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

I'm not even joking, if blake flips town in this game i'm quitting mafia. That's how much sure i am.

I'm sad that you're going to quit the game over something this ridiculous, but alright.

-Blake

As much as I dislike those kind of promises from Commanders, they come from Orange Star 95% of the time.

Honestly, I'm inclined to agree here.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

I'll decide overnight whether we will kill another slot or use our other ability.

We will still use our revive tonight regardless.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Ah, shit. I was told to take over cause my partner was pissed.

-Mikoto

Just shoot my head so I can put the game on ignore.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

I'm letting Yang handle all the posting from now on.

Bye.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

I've got one last surprise for you.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Neither of us were big fans of the claim, and claims shouldn't always excuse an otherwise dodgy slot.

If you AND Key both prefer EA over Search, why would you vote M&K here? The indifference after the fact makes 0 sense.

Because I think both of our reads that neither wagon is on scum because of how the game is playing out right now is stronger than our reads on the actual slots - so it's more important that we try and move elsewhere, somewhere there's more likely scum.


-K

Can your and Eddie Cane's conclusions and deductions so far be put into one post, please?

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Hum hum.

I'm just waiting, honestly.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

UNVOTE:

I'll just leave this on nothing. I genuinely don't care who the lynch is.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

I've increasingly realized that the way the game was designed simply doesn't work. The one player keeping me grounded in the game is guaranteed to be around for only one more day now that my hydra partner is not especially interested in continuing to play anymore. I strongly suspect that the health of the game can only improve once the events end, but there are enough players that are here only for events that going to day four is unlikely to improve anything. Therefore, it's more optimal to use vig shots to remove the players here for events, but that lags the game and makes it look a lot less fun to play, which just achieves the same outcome.

And of course, now we're in a position where the game only picked up at all once the game started becoming toxic. We're on the verge of an apathy lynch because nobody actually cares outside of a few slots, after I had specifically called out the game for becoming more lethargic and gotten pushback for it. I claimed a shot on a player who consistently adds to the off topic banter and commonly doesn't play, and I've gotten a lot of shit for it because I happened to also townread the slot.

Essentially, I put a lot of what remains of my ability to effort in games into this one on day one, and I feel like it was a complete waste of time. This isn't a mafia game, this is a shitshow. And I don't see it improving.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Is this game toxic?

I mean pink ball got into fisticuffs with me but day 2 has been pretty clean I thought

Also blake is probably as ic as imperium now

Toxic might be a strong word, but the fight between Farkran and myself did drastically shift the game towards itself.

-Blake