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I'd like to point out also that one coin won't buy anybody a fireflower. So planning to go after armlx tomorrow if Gimbo doesn't wake up dead, when he might not even have the capability to make this happen, looks pretty off to me.
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I'm gonna go with "yes, and it's you" after this question.Gimbo wrote:Unless you are jester (is there even one in this game?)-
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It's quite possible, yes, but not certain, which is why I have an issue with TSN's plan of going after armlx tomorrow if it doesn't happen.Gimbo wrote:P.S. something constructive, since TSN has a coin, can't amrlx also have coins (1, maybe 2 or more?) and with them combined, can't they potentially off me N1?
Why?TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:I'm assuming that armlx has as many coins to start with as I do.
I think we need to be very careful about how much we reveal about the number of coins we all have, because the scum are probably going to be looking to take out the townies with the most coins.-
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I think it's suspicious that Gimbo believes fireflowers cost 5 coins, because I think scum players would be more likely to forget they have a different cost for pro-town than pro-town players simply getting the price wrong.Lawrencelot wrote:Fireflower (3 coins for protown players, 5 coins for others): grants you one nightkill.
I'd imagine that the fact that we don't appear to have any way to protect other players probably goes against this point.Phoebus wrote:B) Secondly, your claimed ability...wouldn't necessarily confirm anyone. Most games with Necromancers don't reveal alignment - that would really defeat the purpose. Imagine a dead cop revived with a doc protecting him for as long as he would be alive.
But Gimbo being able to revive another player doesn't comfirmhimas pro-town, certainly.
Since Gimbo's claimed his role mechanics, there's no harm in getting him to also claim his role name, as far as I can see, and it would help us in figuring out the likelihood that he's on our side.Phoebus wrote:2) Could Magikoopa (for I assume it's someone like him) do revivals? Was he ever completely pro town?-
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And we know for sure that Princess Peach is in the game, and she is pretty much guaranteed to be pro-town.Rogue Shenanigans wrote:
Not everyone who isn't a toad is scum. Every role is dressed as a toad.farside22 wrote:@populartajo: Look in bold at lawrencelot story.
IE everyone looks like a Toad, but not everyone is a toad.Lawrencelot wrote:Right, still two to go, but I'll start Day 1 anyway. If Xtoxm and Alabaska J don't post soon, I'll give them a prod.
Peach wanders through the town. "That's funny, everyone looks like a Toad, even myself. I wonder how many of them really are Toads.." .
Call this wild speculation... but I would expect to see mario in this game, and I seriously doubt he would be anti-town.-
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I suppose that is a possibility, but the impression I get from the following rules is that she is:Phoebus wrote:
We do?And we know for sure that Princess Peach is in the game, and she is pretty much guaranteed to be pro-town.
Sure she's not a mechanic?
Rule 13 is included because I figure that outing Peach would be a pretty significant negative consequence of a massclaim.Lawrencelot wrote:13) Mass-claiming is allowed, but not recommended for the town in this game.
25) Bowser may try to kidnap princess Peach during the night. The town has to prevent that. When Peach is kidnapped at night, the kidnapper has to be lynched the next day or else the town will lose.
26) Princess Peach cannot get killed, only kidnapped. As you may have noticed from rule 25), Peach plays an important role in this game, so if you’re town make sure you prevent her from getting kidnapped.-
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What is the disadvantage to Surye's plan in your eyes, farside? Regardless of whether or not Surye is scum, the end result is that we will be in exactly the same situation as we are now, except that we will have verified that Gimbo does have the item he says he has.
What, does the mushroom somehow become tainted if scumSurye touches it? Or do you think that knowing Gimbo is not lying will somehow benefit scum more than town?-
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woot, simulpost!
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Cream147 (3): armlx, Phoebus, Alabaska J
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populartajo (2): Rogue Shenanigans, farside22
Xtoxm (2): DragonsofSummer, alvinz95
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Surye (1): Celebloki
Mr. Incrediball (1): Riceballtail
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Yeah, I think we need to stop thinking in terms of "power roles" altogether in this game, because the item mechanics seem to strongly suggest that we don't really have them, or at least a lot fewer and/or weaker than you'd normally expect in a game of this size.Rogue Shenanigans wrote:1) Now that Gimbo has claimed, there is no real way that we can ensure that saftey of Gimbo if he is tellling the truth. We are just going to have to rely on protecting roles(which in an item based game- there is no real guarantee of one).
2) This means that Gimbo can't wait for a decent power role thats worth reviving, which is the only dangerous prospect for scum.-
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I'd like to remind everyone that my SweatpantsNinja vote has nothing to do with his coin-pooling plans (although I disagree that that is the optimum strategy) and everything to do with this conversation:
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You again. I don't. But if he doesn't use it on gimbo, which is what I want to happen, then I'll go after him tomorrow.sideney wrote:
How you know that you can trust armlx? Very scummy TSN.TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:So, gimbo, pro-town, bowser, nk-immune miller vig, whatever, needs to be removed.
Give one coin to armlx.
I trust that you will do what needs to be done.
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However, TSN brings up a good point about farside's misrepresentation, and a background check on her alerts me to this:
It's hard to say, since the maths in this post don't appear to bear any particular resemblance to actual probability theory, but anyway, I've bolded the part where farside seems to be telling us how many scumbuddies she has.farside22 wrote:Someone talked about not saying how many coins we have so we will go low on this okay. 24 people each with 1 coin equals 24 coins total.
Feather (5 coins for protown players, 3 coins for others): you can see which side someone belongs to: town or not.
This is what we are talking about for investigating. That would actually be 4 players who everyone would have to agree on they trust to investigate.
With those 4 players the town agrees they trust we then choose 4 players who they should investigate. That is out of 20 players mind you.The odds are 1 out of 5 chance of hitting scum(if we choose town players). Plus unless there are doctors in this game one of those people will probably be killed. I'm just not liking are odds on that plan with so many people in the game.
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Yes, I get this part.farside22 wrote:
4 players we deem town worthy 4-23 players = 19 people left to investigate.
What are you talking about? How does dividing the number of investigators by the number of targets tell you the chances of finding scum?farside22 wrote:4 divided by 19 is approx 1 out of 5 chances of finding scum.-
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It's really not. The chances of finding scum depend on the number of scum in that 19 person group. I don't think that's a particularly outlandish concept.farside22 wrote:It's the odds of finding a scum.
Anyway, this 1/5 you've conjured up just appears to be complete nonsense and not a scum slip, so I'm going toUnvote.-
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That was TSPN, and it's not out of nowhere, he was voting farside for a while then switched over to SSK momentarily for whatever silly meta reason.armlx wrote:Umm, your just randomly voting Farside out of nowhere?
Which is not to say that TSPN is not a good vote. That's just not a good reason for one.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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This is bull. Prior to killa seven's vote, 5 people out of 24 had indicated (by voting) that they want Cream dead. That is in no way the same thing as "the town" wanting him dead. Following "the town" (who could, in fact, be anywhere between 0 and 100% scum) on this without explanation is the very definition of opportunistic.FaerieLord wrote:Cream, the town wants you dead. So no, it is not being opportunistic. It is following the town's lead. Which in this case is a null-tell
TSPN's equally opportunistic hop onto the Cream wagon is also noted.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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A lynch is better than no lynch. The only players I could see being lynched today at the point I made my vote (barring some major incident) were Cream, FL or Rogue.populartajo wrote:What was the exact reasn for voting Faerie Lord?
FL seems the best choice of those, I'm not seeing the case on Cream at all, whereas I think FL looks pretty scummy for acting like Cream's lynch was a foregone conclusion in this post. Also don't like Rogue's "bandwagoning to see reactions", seems like a good excuse for scum to get off a townie wagon that wasn't gaining enough weight. So I think he'd also be a better lynch than Cream.
FYI, I also think there's something to the latest movement against Phoebus.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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What reactions did you expect to see from scum? From town?Riceballtail wrote:For those who aren't aware, I was reaction fishing with my NL vote.
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Phoebus (5): ashmite84, killa seven, Riceballtail, somestrangeflea, Rogue Shenanigans
FaerieLord (3): Surye, mr. incrediball, iamausername
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With 24 alive it takes 13 real votes to lynch. Deadline: June 25th. At deadline, it takes 7 real votes to lynch.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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Why do you think this is more likely a scum reaction than town?Riceballtail wrote:
Is exactly the scummy reaction I was looking for.skitzer wrote:LOL wait. Riceballtail is so much more scummy than Rogue Shenanigans...
NL just for reactions? Please.
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It kind of is when we have a deadline in two days and we need to get someone to 7 votes to get a lynch.armlx wrote:
Is this even a valid reason to unvote?Alabaska J wrote:cream's wagon is dead.
Which is why I'm going toUnvote, Vote: Rogue Shenaniganstoo. FL wagon is deader than dead.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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I think he is proposing that we give them to him.mr. incrediball wrote:1)where are you proposing you get these 10 coins from?
I don't like the sound of "Hey guys, give me all your coins and I get a magical super awesome item, I promise." Also not seeing DK as all that likely to appear in this game.
My vote is staying.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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This post contains truth, and I am quoting it.somestrangeflea wrote:
I KNOW, LET'S WAGON AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN TO CLAIM BEFORE DEADLINE HITS, THEN LYNCH WHOEVER WE HAPPEN TO BE ON AT THE TIME.armlx wrote:Sigh, another testable claim, though this one is cheaper if he is scum and more expensive if town.
Unvote, Vote Cream
This is a setup designed to make massclaim ineffective. This is D1 and we've had three fullclaims. This is thus a bad thing.
At this point, whether claims are "testable" or not doesn't matter. It's whether or not they're believable that's important. Also note that all of the claims so far could just as easily be anti-town.
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Let's cut the wagon->claim->wagon->claim... crap and make sure we lynch someone.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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Well, yeah. It'sSurye wrote:That is a SEVERLY underpowered role.Yoshi. His entire purpose is to be useless.
Do you honestly believe his claim is less plausible than Rogue's?
We can also confirm two of the other three aspects of his claim easily enough (if anyone feels like wasting a coin on such). And I think the existence of a scum role that can hold no coins/items and has no vote is far less plausible than pro-town Yoshi with same.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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OK, I can understand your position now, although I still think it's far more likely that Riceball is telling the truth than it is that Rogue is.somestrangeflea wrote:
It's a fairly plausible scum role if you take into account that, as a scum, the fact that Yoshi can only nullify scum votes is BS. Being able to nullify town votes is quite a useful scum ability.iamausername wrote:We can also confirm two of the other three aspects of his claim easily enough (if anyone feels like wasting a coin on such). And I think the existence of a scum role that can hold no coins/items and has no vote is far less plausible than pro-town Yoshi with same.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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Let's not forget that Rogue's claimed role has in no way been confirmed, and can't be without the town throwing away ten coins.somestrangeflea wrote:But my argument still stands. Why should people who have had aspects of their role confirmed be seen as more likely to be town than those who have not?
And seriously, a super banana? Which is so tasty that it makes you invincible forever? Has such a thing ever existed even in a Donkey Kong game, which would at best be tangentially related to the Mushroom Kingdom theme?Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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By my count, Rogue is at 11 votes now. If we want to see the real votecount (and I can't imagine why we wouldn't), we need 13. We've got just under three hours.
Anyone who reads this, and isn't already on the wagon, VOTE ROGUE SHENANIGANS IMMEDIATELY. No one else is getting lynched today, and your vote could tip us over the edge into receiving some very useful information.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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I was momentarily thinking 'maybe we should save it to use on a better town role', but then I remembered the part where we don't want to think in terms of 'power roles' in this game. So yes, yes he should.somestrangeflea wrote:Should Gimbo revive populartajo?
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Pretty sure no one is actuallyconfirmedtown, technically.
popular, Gimbo, TSPN, Gremwell and Riceball [in that order] are all likely town, though, based on their claims/items/whatever.
Really need to do a reread to figure out who is likely scum.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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Well, multiple scumgroups mean a faked investigation might not be accurate, which could end up implicating him later on. And using up coins on investigations seems like a poor use of resources for scum.
I agree that it's possible Gremwell is scum (as I said, none of the players I listed are confirmed), I just don't think it's likely on the current evidence.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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Well, if they do, that's one more night gone by that they don't get to kidnap Peach. Sounds good to me.farside22 wrote:I would like to have pop investigate as he is the only true known alignment, but I worry about the scum taking him out before we get an answer.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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I'm assuming this is meant to say FaerieLord, but just thought I'd check that he doesn't have some crazy ability to give away other people's coins.Lawrencelot wrote:FaerieLord wrote:Give 1 coin to populartajoTransaction succesful. Gimbo loses 1 coin and populartajo gains 1 coin.
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The first one still isn't making any such assumption. Second one is, but I doubt scum know exactly how many votes everyone has, so I can't see how it's anything noteworthy anyway.Surye wrote:Surye wrote:
Unless you know something we don't, we don't know how many real votes he has.armlx wrote:Sigh, while I hate to do this, NL < lynching possible scum but confirmable if town.
Unvote, Vote RSto ensure we get to 7 real votes.
This is the second time armlx made a HUGE assumption on what the actual vote count is. I do not like this one bit. No sir.armlx wrote: That is 5 actual votes by my count: Alabaska, Ashmite, Gobor, Mr. I, myself, plus PT's non-vote.HoS: armlx
I think ashmite might have a point about the Cream/Rogue interaction, but I'm pretty sure there's some opportunistic Bowser-aligned scum among the sudden pile-on here whether or not Cream is part of the DK crew.
Been thinking about Riceball's role; I think he should tell us who he swallowed last night. Then, if we manage to actually get a full lynch before deadline today, we'll have either a confirmed town or almost-confirmed scum, based on whether or not that person appears in the real votecount.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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Surye in [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1124342#1124342]Post 887[/url] wrote:I don't like the case on Cream, and I don't feel comfortable putting my vote on him.Surye wrote:However, the Cream wagon is making a lot of sense. I liked it yesterday, I like it more today.Vote: Surye
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