Epilogue! - [Endgame]

[Bell]

Hey town isis.

[Bell]

V/la job interview tomorrow.

I wanna dance partner and I want them to be the bestest dance partner ever.

[Bell]

You guys have no passion for dancing.
What about passion, what about love!?

[Bell]

What about chemistry.

*looks at ladies*
I shoulda been a lady.

[Bell]

What about chemistry.

*looks at ladies*
I shoulda been a lady.

What about physics

I’m okay with dancing upside down.

Fk, i’m So excited for this game. I wish it was tmrw afternoon already.

Is there a reason it’s important not to pick a scum partner as town?
I want to think about who I wanna partner with but not sure if I wanna pick someone who might be scum and drag them down to hell with me or if I want a town buddy to talk with.

[Bell]

What about chemistry.

*looks at ladies*
I shoulda been a lady.

What about physics

I’m okay with dancing upside down.

Fk, i’m So excited for this game. I wish it was tmrw afternoon already.

Is there a reason it’s important not to pick a scum partner as town?
I want to think about who I wanna partner with but not sure if I wanna pick someone who might be scum and drag them down to hell with me or if I want a town buddy to talk with.

Sorry but I'm scumreading this post

Why’re you’re stepping on my enthusiasm.

[Bell]

Why do the gentleman need to ask the ladies.

[Bell]

isis should dance with the scummiest gentleman

Agree

[Bell]

Whelp. Can you propose more than once or

[Bell]

the scummiest gentlemen is clearly me, right

That hat is fairly suspicious.

[Bell]

im scumreading anyone taking early game serious pre page 5.

i mean that post pinged me too. but you can scumread me if you want
actually your post pinged me too.

...i’m mot always a grumpy hound you know. This game has a special place in my heart.
I want to dance with someone awesome. That’s all there is to it.

[Bell]

Firebringer.

Would, would you dance with me?

[Bell]

Goddangit.

[Bell]

It says ydrasse is paired with deluz now.

[Bell]

Okay, it’s nice to meet and play with you leuz .

[Bell]

Guess i’ll have to wait until the rest of the ladies show up.

You’ve town pinged fire, which is why I asked to dance.

[Bell]

She hasn’t posted anything AI yet.

[Bell]

Both town and scum want to partner with townie players.

Nobody wants to die with scum even though I think that’s probably optimal play.

[Bell]

Where’s your confidence man.
Dancing with someone means learning about them and getting to know them.

[Bell]

I am a very hurt lady, Hectic does not want to dance.

I guess I don't mean much to him.

Guilt trip. Toxic do not pair.

[Bell]

Both town and scum want to partner with townie players.

Nobody wants to die with scum even though I think that’s probably optimal play.

no, optimal play is to find 3 or 4 pairs who are most likely to be town town, and systematically vote out everyone else

So if you think you can project as town, you should pair with someone town

I’m just sad the only obv town seems to be taken. So far on the last side.

Except isis and I don’t think we dance well together tbh.

[Bell]

I can’t read Taylor. It’s a well documented pheonomena.

[Bell]

Not really.

[Bell]

In this game I roughly agree but I liked her style.
Reminded me of tne/norwe

[Bell]

My reads are just good lately.
But i’m Sure that won’t last.

[Bell]

Pushing them is not the same as eliminating them.

[Bell]

Taylorswift wants to dance with the hottest guy ofc.

[Bell]

In this game I roughly agree but I liked her style.
Reminded me of tne/norwe

Who is this about, bell?

FB

[Bell]

firebringer is scum with at least one of DGB and DD eh?

I had thought about, but this is the kind of thing that drives me wild.

[Bell]

Are you better in a PT taylor?
Or would you be willing to explain your reasoning inside one?

[Bell]

Taylorswift wants to dance with the hottest guy ofc.

Sorry, hectic is dancing with isis

Although, actually, I guess the polycule could still work if isis and pooky go together and hectic and Taylor also join, I guess we need to see how isis and ydrasse feel about taylor

Why do you want hectic to die with isis.

[Bell]

For your taylorisms.

[Bell]

I don’t, have you not been reading my posts

Hectic is gonna play super scummy so scum think they can make isis leave, but then he’s gonna be secretly townie in the

polycule

PT and after a series of town leaves when it looks like all hope is lost we’re gonna completely turn it around with back to back scum leaves until the game ends in a town win

It’s gonna be glorious!

Try again.

[Bell]

taylorswift, will you dance with me?

[Bell]

But why would I try again when I got the correct answer the first time?

Nope. What’s your reason?
I’ve never played with scum hectic but he’s sortable.

Both pooky and hectic are probably going to try to pair with isis or at least I thought they would. But it’s not because it’s good for the rest of us.

[Bell]

Yep
4 scum, 13 town.

[Bell]

VOTE: Hey bulge!

Dele, you the type to fake set up knowledge as scum?

[Bell]

I’d criticize them for not knowing, but I didn’t know either.

[Bell]

Bell what's the latest gossip

FB is hot.
I think I want to dance with Taylor because a sense of humor is important and maybe this is a good opportunity to get to understand her better so I don’t keep miselimination/always trying to eliminate her.
Isis is conf town.

Deluz is town leader or scum.

Dunstral has posted more in the last few hours than I think in the entirety of the we game we played together. He’s being more forceful than usual, not sure what to make of it.

[Bell]

I think he’s asking if you knew there’s 4 scum because you’re sharing a PT with 3 of them

thats how i knew tbh

Humor remains good(sigh, she’s gunna do this a lot).
But i’m game if she’s game.

[Bell]

Bell what's the latest gossip

FB is hot.
I think I want to dance with Taylor because a sense of humor is important and maybe this is a good opportunity to get to understand her better so I don’t keep miselimination/always trying to eliminate her.
Isis is conf town.

Deluz is town leader or scum.

Dunstral has posted more in the last few hours than I think in the entirety of the we game we played together. He’s being more forceful than usual, not sure what to make of it.

ive given you my guide on how to read me right?

You have. But my precious delusion that I can read people with enough effort isn’t going away after just one or two bumps in the road. I think this can work out if we both obv town enough.

[Bell]

Yes leuz, that’s right.

[Bell]

∾ ♥ ∾ ♥ ∾ ♥ ∾ Lady Buldge, Ever since we first met those many games ago. I couldn't help but think of what could've been.. Letting this chance slip away would be foolish Will you dance with me? ~MariaR ∾ ♥ ∾ ♥ ∾ ♥ ∾

Awww.

[Bell]

Ma'am, how much can this Gentleman like you? They spelled your name wrong.

Pre Edit: You fool!

Scum regardless of role pm.

[Bell]

How do we vote during predance.

[Bell]

I, and all other members of my faction known to me, Vote: beeboy, DGB, firebringer, and shellyc, and win the game

i buy this

Town leaders and I don’t get along. :/

[Bell]

I, and all other members of my faction known to me, Vote: beeboy, DGB, firebringer, and shellyc, and win the game

i buy this

Town leaders and I don’t get along. :/

imagine calling me a town leader

I was talkin bout deluz.

[Bell]

I'm not against Beeboy doing it unless he becomes very active.
But I doubt isis will be.

[Bell]

Why?

[Bell]

It's a good year for me in that case.

[Bell]

Both are slots that if there's a scum in them I don't think they'd be able to keep up level of quality of posting that would be able to fool everyone in end game

Where as if they're both town it can be a very easy thing to spot.

Of course I'd be more worried about this strat if I wasn't already townreading both of them

This sounds like favoritism.

[Bell]

I’m feeling good about pooky town although I do feel like this is exactly how he pocketed me last time he was scum in a game against me

Um.

[Bell]

He's clearly my mother's alt.

@Pedit: I am literally the bell of the ball.

[Bell]

No, I always have a problem with town leaders.
They spend more time telling people what to do then figuring out what they should do and it leads to derpisms.

[Bell]

I prefer Isis lead, at least she's 1# confirm town and 2# likes to break set ups over her knee.

[Bell]

No, I always have a problem with town leaders.
They spend more time telling people what to do then figuring out what they should do and it leads to derpisms.

This is like... not true at all in my experience of you

Also, I haven’t actually told anyone what to do yet, I’ve just expressed my preferences

Um, this is actually very true of me.
I usually avoid and side step them because they inevitably scum read me for pressure which is just annoying.

[Bell]

That sounds like me, yes

[Bell]

I feel like people keep crumbing things like when Bell said “delusional” yesterday and how ydrasse just capitalised “inkling” but I know that’s impossible because we’re in an open/vanilla setup, but it still feels weird because it’s like, a lot of people who are doing it

I'm well known for people reading my posts and thinking there are crumbs in them.

Why are you scum reading me besides that I don't want to go along with what you want?

[Bell]

Then we just power yeet the shelly pair, the DGB-drew pair, and one other pair I’m keeping close to my chest for now but who also need to die, I realised as I was wandering home from the park earlier

Are you flavor leaf.

[Bell]

let's open market this and go isis > akarin > taylor > shelly ?? who's down

You mean ask the gentlemen who they'd prefer to pair with?

[Bell]

Question, does Isis immediately die next phase or is there at least a talking phase before that?

[Bell]

One gentleman is left out and dies and then the other is a pairing being voted out?

[Bell]

Why aren't we letting Isis control the game. This is like one of the few times it would be justified.

[Bell]

one gentleman is left out and we vote out two pairs before nightkill

That's a lot. Thanks.

[Bell]

Why aren't we letting Isis control the game. This is like one of the few times it would be justified.

Because that would be suuuuuper fuckin boooooorrrrrriiiiiinnnnggggggg

Who gives a fuck?

[Bell]

I tried to engage with Taylor and was derailed.
I am stubborn though. Also job interview over so my focus is back on all 4 games. Though my attention is divided so I feel like I'm neglecting all of them. Oh well, my fault.

@Akarin, hi, are you scum?

[Bell]

I see, is there anyone in this game you've played with before and have confidence reading?

[Bell]

Both of you.

[Bell]

Who, and why, and do you have a read on them yet?

[Bell]

By pairing people up you are literally giving your reads in the first place.

[Bell]

Oh, A50. Clicked.

[Bell]

It seems pertinent to scum hunt. So that's what it boils down to.

[Bell]

I'd rather do it out in the open.

[Bell]

He said he played with me recently.
And that's a very short list. Since usually my interactions with town leaders are frayed unless I like them or feel indebted to them.
I wind up with Peta, A50, SB, Flavorleaf.

[Bell]

I don't think SB would be so unfriendly.

[Bell]

Superbowl, you don't know him. I think. I played with him twice recently.

[Bell]

I don't think SB would be so unfriendly.

I don’t think I’ve been particularly unfriendly towards you? Sorry if you feel that I have

I meant more chummy and less yeety.

Pedit: I don't see a problem with this. Maybe I'll finally get good at alt guessing (I'm 0/12).

[Bell]

is it really unfriendly to punish someone for a lack of manners?

It's rude to interrupt a dance proposal.

[Bell]

Im not sure "Are you scum?" qualifies

I was talking about taylor.
That was hunting, you should try it sometimes.

[Bell]

That was hunting, you should try it sometimes.

I am hunting for townies

Am I townie?

[Bell]

0/1

[Bell]

I think so, yes. I forgot who tho. I'd check but I'm still reeling from Ydrasse's iso.

[Bell]

You realize that not solving for her is a scum tell right?

[Bell]

And why isn't she bad in this game?

[Bell]

I feel like we've had this exchange before.

[Bell]

No, just about another player. Nvm ongoing.

[Bell]

I don't agree or disagree. Because her iso has two words in it.

I'm paranoid of my dance partner.
Why're you spiky, person who I have seen be very spiky before.

[Bell]

Fakedog.

[Bell]

ya i’ve done fuck all so far but if it becomes a pattern throughout the game you have more reason to worry (a la forest fire)

When do you plan to solve?

[Bell]

ya i’ve done fuck all so far but if it becomes a pattern throughout the game you have more reason to worry (a la forest fire)

When do you plan to solve?

D’you maybe want to back off a little bit given that it’s like 24hrs into the game or less?

Why do you care about this?

[Bell]

Oh hey, it is flavor leaf.

@Beeboy's reads: He had good reads in illicit substances but he was in another dimension for 2 days so.
He misread me quite badly in sin game. I think I've played with him one other time but totally forgot what he said during it.

[Bell]

Do I get points for guessing right on my first try.
That was impressive even for meta me.

[Bell]

Does mena use the word scum equity.

[Bell]

Oh, I guess I'll continue my record of being 0/13 on alt guesses.
That's pretty impressive too.

[Bell]

That's not RC.

[Bell]

I have also pocketed him as scum. Can confirm it's nice to be pocketed by Mena.

[Bell]

I feel like Mena always calls my game weird tho.
I don't think he has any confidence reading me, but I also think this town leader shtick and the strength of it is absolutely him.

[Bell]

Isis was always a comedian.

[Bell]

He already has a partner Bee.

[Bell]

It's cool.
I too retcon all my wins into losses and my losses into even worse losses.

[Bell]

dad, can I please dance with Taylor if she'll have me.
We can work this out.

[Bell]

Oh no.
I am easily the least attractive of those three people.

[Bell]

Pooky. Easy.

[Bell]

VOTE: BELL

VOTE: Okapoka.

[Bell]

VOTE: BELL

VOTE: Okapoka.

no hard feelings but i think your flip is the most informative of the three

No hard feelings, it's a reflex.

[Bell]

What about my flip is the most informative of the three?
I can't imagine flipping town is a good look.

[Bell]

Bell I'm skimming your iso

Why didn't you want to dance with me?

I feel like we don't really get along.

[Bell]

I've never seen Beeboy bleed town before.

[Bell]

if u flip town

uh

idk tbh, probably still more informative but unsure personally atm

Brother, I have no associatives.

[Bell]

I've never seen Beeboy bleed town before.

As scum you mean..?

You heard me correctly.
I have not seen beeboy bleed town as town. He's kind of lurked in all my games with him. Though I just think he's busy with life not that he lurks.

[Bell]

I've never seen Beeboy bleed town before.

Who do you want to pair with?

Taylor, but she wants to pair with Hectic.

[Bell]

I personally feel Hectic's entrance was very theatrical.

[Bell]

I’m torn because bell has been getting on my nerves somewhat this game so for pure enjoyment’s sake I’d rather keep both of you and pooky in, but I think I’m townresding Bell the most of the 3 of you

And now isis has forced the situation by pairing with beeboy

Well, at least he's honest.

[Bell]

It's my playstyle to give people a hard time.
It may also be my nature.

[Bell]

Her sense of humor is very important, she's active enough where I can have fun with her in the PT, and I never know if she's going to throw me out of a window or not.
If I wasn't going to gowith Firebringer she seemed the most fun to work with if she was town or mindgame with if she was scum.

@Hectic, I fel that bolding it would be meaningless if she didn't want to dance. She didn't seem interested when I asked. though, actually I don't think anyone was interested.

[Bell]

It's my playstyle to give people a hard time.
It may also be my nature.

A certain amount of questioning and probing is beneficial for everyone

Actively deciding that “hurr durr I dislike town leaders that’s my thing I’m gonna conflict with you” is just annoying

Mena, you're just too forceful for me. That's all.

[Bell]

Slight SL for Maria, though honestly there have been a lot of contentless posters in this game.

[Bell]

It's my playstyle to give people a hard time.
It may also be my nature.

A certain amount of questioning and probing is beneficial for everyone

Actively deciding that “hurr durr I dislike town leaders that’s my thing I’m gonna conflict with you” is just annoying

Mena, you're just too forceful for me. That's all.

Mela*

Also, I’ve been very chill this game

I do not agree. It felt like you were talking over me and just deciding things by yourself that directly effected my position while telling me not to scum hunt and to get yeeted.

[Bell]

I'm just sharing my perspective. It does not reflect poorly on you, I don't get along with lots of people or players. I am quite the wet blanket.

[Bell]

I'm not following either.

[Bell]

I don't think Hectic excels at managing his associative which means there's lots of windfall benefit to giving him [undeserved?] second chances to redeem his slot

So you're saying the more he posts the more he gives his scum partners away. Well, that's good to know for a game where I will be around to find that out.

[Bell]

What is towny about pooky

I don't know about towny but Bell and Pooky seem to care very little for who gets eliminated here and who pairs up, including themselves

I'm not following.
I've placed my preference pretty early and stuck to it.

[Bell]

Thinking.

[Bell]

Gunna iso them both. But I tend to SR pooky ever since we got partnered up and he shmoozed his way to elo in a quite impressive fashion.

[Bell]

His scum game scares me is what I'm saying.

[Bell]

I am never going to live that down with you -.-

Stop being so uniquely good at scum then.
We can be town pals once I figure out how to differentiate between your scum buddying and your town buddying (if I ever do).

[Bell]

I have read them both. Together in an iso

and

*drum roll*

Hectic's entrance and read on taylor right now is desperation. he told her he would dance with her if she was townie in 173 or something and then his post rn took into account 2 posts made pretty much immediately after that point and then said the rest wasn't AI.

Pookie's entire Iso is fluffy.

I do not in fact care which of them gets yeeted tho I am heartless for saying so and so I shall prolly b yeeted in turn. But them's the breaks of having an opinion'

[Bell]

Oh wow the game just opened right up again and I immediately spammed the PT instead of posting here.

[Bell]

Shelly, i’m exhausted and knocked myself out. Give me a break.

[Bell]

MariaR is big scummy. You know why? Because she called me scum super early, then nobody ever listened to her, then it turns out a different player in the poe is scum. Her partner is also scummy.

DGB is big scummy. You know why? Because she ignored early questioning while grabbing a quick pair and then pivoted into trying to make me look bad with bad reasoning. Her partner is also scummy.

I think it's possible there was more than just Pooky as scum at the end there. I still think Hectic looks bad and the association he set up with DGB makes me think it can be SvS.

Who is this.

[Bell]

Me, I'm speaking for myself

I always love seeing new sides to players.

[Bell]

Bell do you think your partner would've taken there scum buddy over you or do you think it was a big brain play from Swift and Pooky?

The first thing Taylor did in our PT was dismantle that big brain play in a natural way.

[Bell]

We’ll see though, I thought about whether Shelly would do that. I’m not sure.

[Bell]

im just asking if there is any value in doing the dgb and dd lynch now, like do you guys have any pressing associatives you have to see before you can flip others or are they just two generically scummy slots that can wait one flip. one flip is the difference between having another pair of townies analyzing some other flip instead of the results of dgb and dd.

Do you have any pressing associatives you’d like to share regarding the pooky flip?

[Bell]

Bell do you think your partner would've taken there scum buddy over you or do you think it was a big brain play from Swift and Pooky?

The first thing Taylor did in our PT was dismantle that big brain play in a natural way.

Noted. So you have your own partner as strong villa rn?

Rn LT, she’s buddying me well if scum
Tbh. We agreed to just play like we’re town and work together and so far, it seems good.
I really need to unplug for the day though.

[Bell]

Yo

[Bell]

I am a bad person.

[Bell]

Sorry all, I'm not sure how to explain my absence.

Oh well, I guess I'll just pretend it never happened and I was here the whole time.

[Bell]

Gunna go apologize to taylor in PT/catch then come back here and try to solve.

[Bell]

Was totally here the whole time.

@Shellyc, because I wasn't. I was prioritizing another game and I don't know how to say that without getting into mod trouble. Divided attention Bell is bad Bell so went to focus.
The IRL contributed to me waking up at 3pm tho.

[Bell]

I hope I don't get mod killed for saying that

[Bell]

GTH - tayl0r swift-bell? I have doubts about bell but I think the "I actively chose to post less and not be active here" might be too scummy to be scum, taylor-pooky being s/s is really far-fetched

Too scummy to be scum isn't a thing.

[Bell]

My brain is absolutely fried.
Can focus on this now though.
Sorry for neglecting this game.

[Bell]

my biggest question around leuz is the fact that he seemingly thinks he is this incredibly obvtown slot while like... most people don't have him as obvtown. like does that even mean anything?

Not really.

[Bell]

Pretty sure he's Mena and he's pretty much the same to me, but I've only ever run into town Mena.
As for the alt outting, it's just toward my win condition to out alts I didn't really think about the respect angle. But if I didn't think I know who you were I'd be probably be null reading him. It does not help that you're making arguments that point directly to you, I.e., the "generational meta" angle directly points to your similar argument with Draconic that I think you'd realize would allow me to insta spot you since I was in that game too.

[Bell]

People are being pocketed probably

At this stage though, it's just less optimal to want to kill your own pairing, given there's only 1 unknown compared to 2 in all other pairings. Unless you have a good scumread.

Plz stop playing survivalistically, it's throwing me off and is very much not your town meta. It just comes off as insincere.

[Bell]

doesn't shelly prefer scum though

She very much loves being scum and has said so in everygame I've played with her. It's good too, because she seems to roll scum to the point of being a statistical aberration.

[Bell]

I just lost my dance partner.

[Bell]

can we lynch taylor/bell to save fakegod the trouble of finding a replacement?

Eh, no.

@TheBulge, I would never separate you from your soul mate.

[Bell]

Have you been following the death curse game by chance

[Bell]

I feel like I burnt some my life's candle playing that elo.

[Bell]

how has your view of me as a co-player changed since SFA, bell?

Quite a shift, I didn't know you played on alts for one.
That was also the first time I saw you hyper post and work at it.

What do you mean about being a co-player though?

[Bell]

That's why I said I lost my partner.

She was an alt of a permabanned user or something.

[Bell]

just to specify in-game context, didn't know how else to make "view of me as a player" not sound like I'm asking for your opinion of me as a person lol

how immersed in this game do you feel?

RN, I'm just burnt out on mafia. Hopefully I'll reset in a few days.
But pretty immersed actually, I'm mostly struggling with Beeboy, Akarin, you, FB, Oka, and Maria.
Everybody else I've convinced myself I can maybe kind of read. I'm not shifting around much on other players.

[Bell]

Hi Gamma.
Welcome. I'm super excited to Dance with you, should be fun.

[Bell]

I town read Taylor so I didn't feel like hiding stuff.
Gamma inherits.

I'll probably start pushing a scum read tmrw.
Probably at least one of Hectic/Shellyc is scum imo.

[Bell]

I don't have the mental capacity to answer for myself either. Okapoka just read the end of Death curse, realize I was flailing along with a Job interview and that I am just whittled down to a nub.
Or like meta me. Either works.

It was me telling Taylor what I thought about the player list and talking about some comedy she linked.

[Bell]

................

[Bell]

ngl, didn't realize DGB and Drew were yeeted and flipped town.
shit.

[Bell]

Seriously.

[Bell]

She thought MariaR was scum
Hectic she was meh on.
She agreed with Me that you were town.
She did not comment on my dunn TR.
She felt Leuz....Was titus and possibly scum.
She wasn't sure on ShellyC, while I'm light SRing her.
She thought dgb was town but wasn't sure.
Thought Bulge was scum and overly lurky. I didn't cause besides Smoke filled chamber he was always lurky and was stilllurky in comparison to everyone else.

I don't remember her saying anything else AI in there.

[Bell]

gamma can we just yoink you and bell tbh

what is bell talking about in that sekrit pt of yours

I'mma yoink you.

[Bell]

Oka when was the last time you looked at Firebringer and thought you should be allowed to live.

[Bell]

Same.

[Bell]

Did you not read the post I just made.
I did read the game.
I just didn't talk about it with you.

[Bell]

Like you really need to read the end of Death Curse Oka.
Assume the seond elo started in that game like 3 days ago that I was in a coma.

[Bell]

If you don't do it, I'm going to start quoting posts from that game so you understand the hell I was in.

[Bell]

Now stop keeping me up at...midnight? fuck me.

[Bell]

look gamma i think your probably town by like im saying bell might be scum and i don't really care if you think he is town or scum because we are all biased towards thinking our partners are town, id just like a rundown on his pt please and thank you lets not repeat gay dance where mysteriously everyone was clearing their partners because the pt was so fantastic except the t-t pairs

Already shared pretty much everything there was to share.

I null read FB before he started blatantly started trying to yeet me.

[Bell]

As long as you aren't a wizard, we cool

>.>
<.<

[Bell]

You guys do realize that I already said what was posted in the PT and that this would be easily verified by Gamma if I was lying right?

[Bell]

I null read FB before he started blatantly started trying to yeet me.

im really trying to yeet ur teammates slot. ur kind of just tied along.

-_-
I wanted Taylor because I thought she was Town for her posts in thread.
Her posting in PT was really nice tho.

[Bell]

I'm sorry that you're not good at town hunting oka.

[Bell]

Yes and that I wanted to dance in part because of that with her.
I started to realize she was pretty good at solving from death curse and she was taking positions in this game that made more sense than was typical for scum her.
She also was open wolfing in an ironic but not too ironic way like she did in death curse, but not in ugh, what was that insane game called by sludge or smudge or ludge or something? I don't remember.
Even disregarding Meta she was seemed like she was trying to solve and take positions unlike some of the other ladies so it was more preferable as the game went on.

[Bell]

It's 12:30 AM.
Please. No mas Mafia.

[Bell]

I feel good about mafia again.

VOTE: Hectic

I do think Hectic just fence sat on every possible pairing.

[Bell]

I really don't think Pooky thought he was doomed scum from my POV.
He always seems to be able to crawl back. I did find it weird he didn't try to pair with Isis tho.

[Bell]

@gamma he had 36 posts.

[Bell]

I felt Pooky would have approached it with some grandiosity and sense of scale. I played a matrix game with him where he buddied Isis so hard that I was convinced he was town because of it.
He can really turn up the sweetness when he wants to.

[Bell]

I feel like you should know that tho,
why does it feel like you don't?

And yeah, I noticed who you wanted to save between him and I.
I did not appreciate it.

[Bell]

No, I mean that I don't know why you didn't think it was off that Pooky wasn't going big scale charming on Isis. Rather than just, "meh, pair with me Isis I really wanna"
If he had he wouldn't be dead RN probably or at least some other lady would have seen the depths of his love for others and been charmed into accepting him instead.

[Bell]

As a Californian, Snow is a myth.

[Bell]

No, I mean that I don't know why you didn't think it was off that Pooky wasn't going big scale charming on Isis. Rather than just, "meh, pair with me Isis I really wanna"
If he had he wouldn't be dead RN probably or at least some other lady would have seen the depths of his love for others and been charmed into accepting him instead.

ive never played with before

only thing i know about pooky is the ancient lore of pooky promises

That's unexpected.

[Bell]

You really are town aren't you.
You seem so flawless this game that it kind of bothers me lol. It's easily verifiable that you haven't played with him, that's a hell of coincidence given his activity on site.

[Bell]

You guys have not had the pleasure of seeing Pookie at his charmingest.
He was practically a shadow of his former self.

[Bell]

I feel good about mafia again.

VOTE: Hectic

I do think Hectic just fence sat on every possible pairing.

I gave individual reads, not my fault

all

pairings have a scummer and a towner inside them.

[Bell]

Flexibility. Why can't you imagine that?

[Bell]

Feels like OMGUS tbh, rather have me out if I scumread you, right?

Not really. I just don't think you're being genuine in your hunting.

[Bell]

Taylor and Shelly. Dunstral probably.

[Bell]

I don't evaluate Whether Shelly is the same or not.
I evaluate whether she open wolfs, or seems like she's giggling inside.
Also, really doubt she isn't going to change up her meta.
I'm literally in this game.

It was when you chose to town read them, not why.
Also yeah, Taylor is pretty obviously.
Likewise you're arguing two sides of the same argument.

[Bell]

Two sides of the same argument. /:
What you doin.

Actually I just iso'd her again and she really is very, very different here. No hints of open wolfing whatsoever.
I was explaining that I don't read her based on whether she's the same or not, so saying she's different isn't enough for me.
hm.

[Bell]

Shelly, are you town here?

[Bell]

You tried to argue that I was scum with Pooky at the same time as implicitly arguing that from my perspective I should see her as town for saving me as town.
The disingenuous part was that I was talking about post flip when I was talking about preflip.

...Are you telling me that I don't think meta is useful for reading her?

[Bell]

I was telling you if you were town not to underestimate her, because you seemed very comfortable with your meta read of her.

[Bell]

i'm obviously town

bell is overly obtuse in a way that i sorta dislike?

Sorta?

a lack of strong towntelling that i can see from you two

have i actually towntold as town before

I'm not sure. You really are playing totally different to the point it's disconcerting in its own way.

[Bell]

Something something curiosity something.
It wasn't a good reason.

[Bell]

Why wouldn't I poke him about it?
I can't read your PT.

[Bell]

maybe it's the nature of the setup that like, you vote for pairs sometimes and it's not going to feel the best but it's still the optimal move but it doesn't feel good to me and i don't know how to play this setup, lord help me

I mean, I think that's definitely true, but that wagon has felt weird to me for a while.

I think with DGB-DD that was totally true though. We just weren't really moving past them until we flipped 'em.

What do you think of my argument about going for not!Last Pairs instead of both non-towny?

i honestly don't know, like, i'd rather just flip scum obviously. i guess it makes sense but right now i'm kinda frustrated with just. the game and not being able to find scum >_>

Have you tried looking under the coach.

[Bell]

What does making it already clear have to do with poking him about it?
The point of poking is to poke and see what happens.
Nothing really fell out though except he's aggro.

[Bell]

if you wanna lim me for paranoia or whatever, fine, but I also don’t want it to feel cheap? Like you need to define whether you actually think there’s a chance me or Bell is scum, or what you’re paranoid about

Um, I did.

And the logic of all of this is about the way the setup plays out anyway. I'm arguing we should be eliminating the pair that we can't imagine being un-paranoid about enough to ever make Last Pair no matter what, rather than "most scummy."

So that's like inherently different than your categorizing this as "limming you for paranoia"

Isn't this just another way of saying you want whoever's the towniest dance pair to make it to the end.