BooneyToonz XIV: A Little Boonie Told Me [END]

[BrightEyedFish]

Party on Wayne.

[BrightEyedFish]

This is a heavy page 1. I'm worried.

[BrightEyedFish]

Birthday got some good posts tbh, mind if i sheep you?

Spoiler:

[BrightEyedFish]

No big feels elsewhere but if I had to flip a coin I'd say BEF town

Yeah, HUB knows it. I'm BEF and this is a BT game. Water is wet. Fire is hot. The sky is blue. The truth is true. I am town. I love you.

[BrightEyedFish]

Geriatric Posting Guidelines

1. Know how to let off the gas. Momentum is important, but this is not a race. This is a game of cooperation - make sure you don't leave anyone behind.
   
2. Don't forget you're always speaking to everyone. One-on-one conflicts have their place, but they can quickly take over a thread - and nobody is interested in spectating five pages of others arguing. You don't need to have the last word - if you're stuck making the same arguments to the same people, let the thread breathe and give others a chance to weigh in.
   
3. Compose your thoughts. Before submitting a post, reread yourself and cut, edit, and format your message. Make sure your point is clear, and highlight any arguments you make. For example, distinguish separate subjects with expandable spoilers or area tags.
   
4. As an overly general rule, any post that is shorter than three sentences is too short, and any post that doesn't fit on a single computer screen is too long

These are the guidelines I speak of. 1 and 2 are key to my request, but 4 can be safely ignored.

I lol'd at 3.

[BrightEyedFish]

BrightEyeFished has popped in twice to say nothing of substance; granted, they did so when the game just began. Tentative scum lean there, but it could easily swing the other direction.

I'm still tying to figure out whats going on.

Does anyone have a list of the "claims" made so far? If not, I'll try not to forget to make one later.

Good start.

[BrightEyedFish]

Danke schön

[BrightEyedFish]

gyp is confscum*

With our role and his claim I believe gypyx to be near locktown if he responds correctly.
brighteyed is also clearly not obvtown. their "list of claims" thing feels like rolefishing/busywork more than scumhunting.
72 your reads are terrible and that's a bad sign.
-S

How is it rolefishing when I only asked for people who had already claimed.

This is "busywork"

Also, BEF is always town in BT games. It's in my contract. Also, no nude scenes.

VOTE: Endless Terror

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: BEF
its role fishing since scum!you doesn't read into detail and care about the CLAIMS more than finding SCUM
-S

I wonder if townpr!me would find knowing who is ascetic etc...useful....

[BrightEyedFish]

could we switch the bandwagon to BrightEyedFish pls? acting like reading a (less than, at the time) 10 page thread was too difficult is too difficult for me to believe

When did I say it was difficult?

[BrightEyedFish]

Whatever. At that particular time this morn around AT 7 IN THE MORNING I didn't have time to compile a list, I even said I would do it later but Gyp did it for me.

[BrightEyedFish]

Hi, its almost 7am again.

Can someone recap the last 10 pages?

Also, please update the list with any new CLAIMS MADE.

[BrightEyedFish]

I just wanted the list, really thats all. If it wasn't posted, I would have made it myself and posted it.

Also, my Wiki is up to date with all BEF games for those wondering. Leave Chateau out of this and besides that wasn't a BT game so I was allowed to be scum.

[BrightEyedFish]

I mean a wise men once said that a BEF D1 wagon has scum at the helm.

It's been awhile since it's happened but maybe that sentiment still stands.

[BrightEyedFish]

BrightEyeFished has popped in twice to say nothing of substance; granted, they did so when the game just began. Tentative scum lean there, but it could easily swing the other direction.

I'm still tying to figure out whats going on.

Does anyone have a list of the "claims" made so far? If not, I'll try not to forget to make one later.

Good start.

the "make a claim" language is really odd.
as town one does not "make" a claim. the act is to claim. i hate relying on scumslips since i think they generally come from town. but i still point them out when i see them. doubly so when im a self-styled IC.
-tay

i think in this context, it's make a claims LIST, not just make up a claim.

Oh, I've fake claimed as town several times. However, those days are behind me now.

[BrightEyedFish]

bright, why are you so focused on getting the claims list over anything else?

I already answered that. 238

[BrightEyedFish]

Also, I figured if I started early in the game I can update the list as I go. I didn't want to spend N1 re-reading making a list. I've done that before missed some things and kinda messed things up.

Learning by doing. Getting better everyday!

[BrightEyedFish]

Example: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=78424

[BrightEyedFish]

Does townpr!BEF explicitly soft like that...

It depends on why someone would "soft" a PR when no where near F-1.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: Samantha97

[BrightEyedFish]

I just voted within your "list" that included me. I should ISO Ydrass but first vibe that comes to mind is not scum.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: BEF

If we haven't.

I am trying to work with you to get over my OMGUS and you stick your finger in the wound.

[BrightEyedFish]

Taylor townleans Ydrasse. For what it's worth they're my least-magnitude SR right now.

I feel like ydrasses defense in 277 contradicts with 368 poking at the claims list a bit

I am trying to work with you to get over my OMGUS and you stick your finger in the wound.

Why should I get over your OMGUS if I feel it's scummy
-S

[BrightEyedFish]

Taylor townleans Ydrasse. For what it's worth they're my least-magnitude SR right now.

I feel like ydrasses defense in 277 contradicts with 368 poking at the claims list a bit

In the real time read I didn't see the contradiction, reading back now it feels off and not as genuine as in RT.

I am trying to work with you to get over my OMGUS and you stick your finger in the wound.

Why should I get over your OMGUS if I feel it's scummy
-S

I hope you will get over it is all I can say. Just don't tunnel me and be open to me being town.

[BrightEyedFish]

Don't you scumread us? Why would you want someone that is scumreading you to untunnel you? Hmmm.

-S

Well assuming you are town, I would not want you to tunnel another town.

If you are scum then this is all for naught anyways.

[BrightEyedFish]

Well assuming you are town, I would not want you to tunnel another town.

If you are scum then this is all for naught anyways.

Do you scumread us?

-S

No, but I'm not locktowning you either. Imo, tunneling can also go in the other direction if you locktown someone too early.

[BrightEyedFish]

gyp is confscum*

With our role and his claim I believe gypyx to be near locktown if he responds correctly.
brighteyed is also clearly not obvtown. their "list of claims" thing feels like rolefishing/busywork more than scumhunting.
72 your reads are terrible and that's a bad sign.
-S

How is it rolefishing when I only asked for people who had already claimed.

This is "busywork"

Also, BEF is always town in BT games. It's in my contract. Also, no nude scenes.

VOTE: Endless Terror

shelly thinks you scumread us here and now have slipped by thinking we are probably town. comments?
-tay

Just a few posts ago, I just told you I am trying to get over my OMGUS.

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF why are your respnses so dodgy and fence-sitty and unwilling to take up responsibility for reading us. and basically making some ~effort~ to read us seemingly while still putting us as "maybe town, maybe scum" which applies to everyone.
-S

I not trying to be dodgy. I am attempting to articulate my read on you. Applying MS nomenclature I would say you are Null-Leaning-Town.

I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as I don't want the OMGUS from earlier to influence.

But if I had to make a definitive decision on your slot right now.

With gun-to-head, I'd say you are Town.

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF why are your respnses so dodgy and fence-sitty and unwilling to take up responsibility for reading us. and basically making some ~effort~ to read us seemingly while still putting us as "maybe town, maybe scum" which applies to everyone.
-S

I not trying to be dodgy. I am attempting to articulate my read on you. Applying MS nomenclature I would say you are Null-Leaning-Town.

I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as I don't want the OMGUS from earlier to influence.

But if I had to make a definitive decision on your slot right now.

With gun-to-head, I'd say you are Town.

Coming back to the wagons, here.

What makes

ET's

push on you likelier to come from town and not

Sam

- who you are currently voting? Or rather, what makes

Sam's

push less town-indicative based on what you've seen.

~Taly

I couldn't answer that definitively right now. It's basically a put on the back burner town lean for the time being.

Currently, I am voting Sam to show ET that I am willing to work with them so they can stop wasting time on me.

[BrightEyedFish]

Currently, I am voting Sam to show ET that I am willing to work with them so they can stop wasting time on me.

wat

is there some way to interpret this that doesn't involve you still not reading the thread

Here ya go:

VOTE: Samantha97

I just voted within your "list" that included me. I should ISO Ydrass but first vibe that comes to mind is not scum.

I am trying to work with you to get over my OMGUS and you stick your finger in the wound.

[BrightEyedFish]

nicorobin nicorobin nicorobin

is this directed at me?

if so, what does nico have to do with why I voted you?

[BrightEyedFish]

@BEF

Your recent posts read like you're trying to appease

ET

with your content moreso than scumhunt. Is this assessment fair?

~Taly

IRT my Sam vote, yes.

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm struggling to think of a reason why, regardless of you and

ET's

alignment.

~Taly

Felt like the thing to do. ET was SRing me and I want to show him I am not scum and we can work together.

I'm aware that ET could be scum but I don't think anyone is wanting to push that slot again any further today.

[BrightEyedFish]

Reads on anybody outside of

{Sam/ET}

?

~Taly

Off the top of my head, you and the 2 birthday slots are TRs. I kind of like Ydrasse as town too.

[BrightEyedFish]

Currently, I am voting Sam to show ET that I am willing to work with them so they can stop wasting time on me.

we want you to work with us, but more importantly we want you to not just sheep us but actively push your own reads.
-all these were taylor

Yeah, and when that time comes I hope you all return the favor or at least give my reads some serious thought.

[BrightEyedFish]

Reads on anybody outside of

{Sam/ET}

?

~Taly

Off the top of my head, you and the 2 birthday slots are TRs. I kind of like Ydrasse as town too.

ok talk to me about ydrasse!town?
-tay

The Yd ISO is lacking anything that screams scum. There is also nothing that screams town.

However, I feel we are in similar positions in this game. Speaking for myself, I haven't really settled in and I have only had direct interactions with a few players. I will admit my D1 reads are basically all gut and I do like to use VCA to start my PoE which is only helpful after our first flip.

So, D1 I usually either sheep or push a gut read. Which, imo, is what most people do. I guess you should say I am less "aggressive" with my own agenda on D1.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: BEF

enjoy the fresh air vax, taylor will probably torment you though
-shelly

I thought we had made progress with working together?

[BrightEyedFish]

Why are you guys posting at 1:52 am.
Why am I posting at 1:52 am.

It's 11:17am here!

[BrightEyedFish]

Time is a concept

You wouldn't vote me, would you?

[BrightEyedFish]

Currently, I am voting Sam to show ET that I am willing to work with them so they can stop wasting time on me.

This is strange, because it only makes sense if town!BEF believes blindly sheeping ET will change their mind of their scumread of him.

@BEF: Why do you think showing that you're willing to work with them is going to change their scumread?

FTR, I was "sheeping" ET. I did vote Sam from his SR list but iirc ET's vote wasn't on Sam at that time, I think it was on me. But the idea of sheeping was there.

I want ET to know that I am willing to work with them (and others), not that I will sheep them for the remainder of the game. I just want ET to realize that I am not scum.

The thing is, I

used to be

low-hanging fruit. And maybe I still am, but scum players that are familiar with me will keep me around and not get rid of me on D1 and try to dispose of me when they need a "distraction". So, if I ever end up being a NK, that's probably due to 3p or some unsure town vig.


Also, my wiki is up to date with all my games to help with meta diving if you so wish.

[BrightEyedFish]

Are you low hanging fish now?

I'm trying to figure out if you actually believe sheeping ET in that manner without talking about your own read on Samantha constitutes as "working with them", and will satiate their scumread, because spoiler, it doesn't really help show/prove you're town.

I don't think I am low-hanging fruit in a negative sense. I think fading me would be a lazy way to end D1. Fading somewhere else automatically increases the overall chance to hit scum since I am town.

Just accept I am town and don't try to fade me anymore please.

[BrightEyedFish]

The last sentence was directed at everyone considering fading me.

[BrightEyedFish]

Sorry, got unexpectedly busy today. I'll catch up tomorrow.

[BrightEyedFish]

Yea, you and gamma we heard from, but I want to hear everyone else's reasoning on the record.

I also support this
As I said, I want the wagon well defined. BEF knows I have pushed for this before btw, so I think he should be able to back my mindset up to people like Tay who are FoSing me for both pushing Vax and trying to pick at the Vax voters.

I feel comfortable in putting Gamma in my town block.

[BrightEyedFish]

Intent to hammer

[BrightEyedFish]

Hey hey hey
I want vax to answer my analysis.
I also have a few things to say to people but I got morning classes.

Can we at least give this day to solve and talk more? I'm talking like 12 hours.

I unvoted with Titus to help do a sorting exercise reaction test but I also don't trust many slots with the hammer. (Tbf I don't really trust anyone with a hammer in games but)

I am just too used to from rushed day ends and lolhammers.

~Taly phone posting with no bold at 5:35 AM

I won't hammer unless Vax refuses to claim in his next post.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: vaxkiller

Nope, got to keep the F-1 pressure on.

[BrightEyedFish]

like saying you’re of some use means nothing when there’s a hammer over your head because you haven’t shown it

Telling would likely nullify any usefulness.

What the fuck is so important about me claiming???

Yep, the tone between these posts are a big contradiction. Vax is scum.

[BrightEyedFish]

y'all can kill vax
I've been essentially good with it for a while (outside of having that huge fucking problem with what looked like Ircher hammering)

+1

[BrightEyedFish]

@mod

Please put "Was shot by the grammar police" on my tombstone please.

Somebody write me a good eulogy. I expect lots of bad spelling.

I'm pretty sure you were shot by the "refusal to claim VT for so long police"

[BrightEyedFish]

i had a case on pelican ready that was about how hesitant they were on vax but. sigh.

Let's have a look at it anyway. It's ready, right?

Will have a look at the wagon + votes at some point.

For now:
VOTE: BrightEyedFish
this one feels like he was bussing. 829 is narrating in a scummy way. 944 is such a weird thing to call him scum for, given there were a multitude of other reasons he was obvscum. Feels forced.

HUB also sus, not sure if I buy his post hammer reaction. + most likely explanation for his demotivation yesterday is just that he's Vax's scum partner. The wagon was not based on an angleshoot soon after Vax repped in, he was genuinely just spewing scum.

Your Pelican case was about hesitancy and your case on me is about the opposite?

Covering all bases, I see.

[BrightEyedFish]

OH never mind, I misread the quote in 1045.

my bad.

Go on with SRing me then I guess.

[BrightEyedFish]

I want to look at some VCA stuff and see if anything pings.

[BrightEyedFish]

Also on the mech side of things is it safe to say Ircher targeted Pelican and they went to the other universe together?

Also, is the parallel universe have influence on this game? And/or can we bring people back to "this" universe?

[BrightEyedFish]

If anything wouldn't scum commuter + town commuter make more sense? You're reaching all these bizarre inferences and then acting like you should be read as masons because why?

With Vax flipping goon, I'm say scum is full of stacked PRs remaining.

[BrightEyedFish]

Hello. The moment you have all been waiting for. BEF's Coveted VCA Analysis D2 Edition.

This is a RT post. Everything will be posted as I notcie it. Except for this:

This time I have decided to look

AWAY

from the Vax wagon. I do think that scum are on the wagon too but I want to start off of the wagon. If nothing feels good with those off the wagon, then I will move to those on the wagon (which I will probably do anyways at another time, regardless of this result)

Here are the contenders:

1. Ydrasse,

Vaxkiller

, Happy Unbirthday Boon, Shoshin

(NicoRobin)

, Aristophanes,

The Pelican Brief

, Gypyx

2. Ydrasse, Happy Unbirthday Boon, Shoshin (NicoRobin), Aristophanes, Gypyx

Now, I will look to who was on the Vax wagon was but left before the hammer.

The only people to unvote and not get back on were

TPB

and Gypyx. TPB flipping green lets us know that town is capable of this. Given Gyp's claim thingy today, I don't think VCA points to Gyp today. But it could add up with later things.

Bust.

Now, re-reading the Vax votes, HUB and Sam left but came back (was the hammer vote) are the most pinging votes.


Ydrasse, Shoshin, Aristophanes are left to sort.

Unfortunately, Shoshin (Nico) and Ari had 0 content to look at. Shoshin coming in looks town at first glance.

I have been TRing Yd I think for the entire game so I can't find the will to SR that slot atm.

So if we aren't dealing with too-scared-to-post scum Nico and Ari. My most likely scum candidate offwagon is HUB.
But with so many open questions to the inactive slots, I don't feel like this alone should be a reason to SR HUB.

My next VCA will look to see if I find any pings from someone besides Sam.

Very underwhelming VCA. But I just pass along what the spirits show me.

[BrightEyedFish]

Looking through TS's ISO, there were no mentions or interactions with Sam and Yd. FWIW.

[BrightEyedFish]

@BEF to be fair, i though was on vax during the hammer, i'm ok with you not taking that into account just wanted to get that there

OK, noted. But if I knew what everyone was thinking about I wouldn't need anything to catch scum

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm confused by BEF's vca, I never voted vax and certainly did not leave the wagon and come back. I don't understand what wagon I'm leaving and coming back from.

Look at my post...

This time I have decided to look AWAY from the Vax wagon.

[BrightEyedFish]

I still like my Hub vote tbh.

Though would like the other half of BEF's VCA.

Its coming after I catch up!

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF's D1 VCA Part II:

On we will check the Vax Wagon and see who besides Samantha could be bussing!!!!

Here are the next contenders:

Gamma Emerald, Bell, Happy Birthday Boonskiies, TheGoldenParadox, Endless Terror,

BrightEyedFish

,

Ircher

,

Samantha97

Then...

Gamma Emerald, Bell, Happy Birthday Boonskiies, TheGoldenParadox, Endless Terror, Samantha97

Gamma was sitting on the slot the longest. Voting for TS in 326. Gamma's reaction to the rep out was on 496 and could be interpreted as either genuine or distancing. I think it's the former.

Bell:
Bell really was really impatient with me on this 2nd part of my VCA. Why? Wondering how scummy I will find his vote? Let's find out!
Oh, I see Bell's 1st RVS vote goes to TS?!?!?! What does it mean? Let's contine through the ISO:

518 There we have it. Bell's belly weird vote. (tehehe) Not much to see here, could be a low-key slide in through the back door type of bus. I still think there is more to the story. Bell says he never busses D1, but would scum!Bell here speak the truth?

Based on D1 play alone, I can't lock down Bell either way. If Bell is bussing here, then I don't think Bell is the lone busser.

Happy Birthday Boonskiies:
HBB's vote on vax came shortly after Bell's on 527. Feels like a good time to bus and since it is after Nora quit, I am assuming if the scum team orchestrated the bus, it begins here but I think HBB is town but voting 3rd and 4th on a town wagon is often scum indicitive, since Vax flipped red, not so much...

Let's check out that 4th slot:
TheGoldenParadox.
Not much content
Another, TS RVS vote. Switched it to Sam before back to TS on 567 Would scum!TGP who has less posts than the mod bus? Yes, but only if instructed to in the mafia pt. Which implicates Sam and to a certain extent Bell.

E(muth'a-f'n)T

Well what do we have here, a 3rd RVS TS vote. If that alone does't give us a PoE I don't know what will.

We had our back and forth on D1 and hopefully we are friends now... but.... As the Vax wagon was sitting at 5 votes, ET swoops in with their vote on me. Maybe a derail attempt??? Then after some hydra disagreements, the other head switched the vote to Vax on VOTE: 643.

I think if both Sam and TGP both flip green and ET is still kicking, then we found our busser.

I've already mentioned Sam and that hammer. No need to say more, still my most sus on the Vax wagon. Narrowly leading TGP and Bell as the other 2 possibilities.

[BrightEyedFish]

Yeah but it still doesn't make any sense, you say I left and returned to a wagon but there is no wagon that is true for so I literally have no idea what you meant in that post

Oh I see what you mean. HBB left and came back. Sorry about that.

[BrightEyedFish]

That VOTE: 643 should have been 643 post

[BrightEyedFish]

So my VCA says the following:

Most likely Scum ON the Vax wagon:
Sam, TGP, Bell

Most like Scum OFF the wagon:
HUB, Nico, Ari

I don't think I want to vote people off the wagon right now due to Nico and Ari being so inactive and making the water too muddy.

VOTE: Sam

[BrightEyedFish]

Now, re-reading the Vax votes, HUB and Sam left but came back (was the hammer vote) are the most pinging votes.

Would scum!TGP who has less posts than the mod bus? Yes, but only if instructed to in the mafia pt. Which implicates Sam and to a certain extent Bell.

so uh... I orchestrated vote(s) after they reached 3 votes, but also it's mafia-indicative that I unvoted/hammered

those two things aren't logically consistent

and also tbh they're insulting, cause it requires, if you're being honest, for you think I'm unintelligent enough to try to lynch mafia day 1 (especially @ 3 votes lol)

Did you skim over the "Yes, but only if..." part. In no way am I passing insults along...

Also, I'm pretty sure you just scum-slipped.

[BrightEyedFish]

Also, I'm pretty sure you just scum-slipped.

can your reaches pls stop being predicated on my lack of intelligence thx

I am not judging you're intelligence at all.

[BrightEyedFish]

and that "you're" probably says something about my intelligence...

[BrightEyedFish]

You're just not judging the fact she's intelligent - fair enough.

I'm just judging VCA stuff, I may speculate but looking for the "why" of was not my current prorogative. Like I said my VCA Posts were a RT, stream of conscious type of post.

[BrightEyedFish]

Can I see some examples of these VCA posts that you've done as either alignment, BEF?

All my games are on my wiki.

[BrightEyedFish]

Look at his guy, bragging on having a whole wiki dedicated to him

A shrine by me, for me.

[BrightEyedFish]

[post=Aristophanes]Aristophanes[/post]

Not much activity over the past day. I'öll support a wagon on the inactives to get them active.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: Aristophanes

[BrightEyedFish]

Stop... Hammer time

VOTE: Aristophanes

Another VT claim = Another scum right?

[BrightEyedFish]

Stop... Hammer time

VOTE: Aristophanes

Another VT claim = Another scum right?

Is this where I overreact to a fake hammer?

Worth a shot.

[BrightEyedFish]

It's just super weird and awkward because Ari just said he was going to be busy working on a project so I'm not sure why he thought a reaction test at that moment made sense

My fake hammers aren't just for a reaction from who was hammered, its also on how other people react to it. Ari shut it down right away though.

[BrightEyedFish]

I was just about to say it's time to consolidate a wagon and then checked and realized there are 9 days till dead line.

Didn't we have a similar amount of days remaining, a VT claim on D1, and we hit scum?

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[BrightEyedFish]

Gamma gets it.

[BrightEyedFish]

I still like Ari over HUB for today.

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm not liking the people with me on the Ari wagon right now. As Sam, TGP, and Bell all 3 were most likely scum according to my VCA. I'd rather go after Sam from that lot first but I can follow Gamma on Bell here.

VOTE: Bell

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm not liking the people with me on the Ari wagon right now. As Sam, TGP, and Bell all 3 were most likely scum according to my VCA. I'd rather go after Sam from that lot first but I can follow Gamma on Bell here.

VOTE: Bell

so like, i really don't like how you're sheeping here. it feels a bit like... self-conscious about how you're trying to follow behind on gamma here, and like yeah sure you said that your vca implicates bell but from you it feels cheap because you hadn't said anything about bell prior to today. that, and the fact that your analysis of his vote is pretty mild makes me like... dunno, it feels again to me like you're trying to take an easy way out when it comes to voting (because i def thought that your d1 vote was that)

Obviously you didn't read my VCA. Bell (along with Sam and TGP) were my top SRSs from the VCA.

[BrightEyedFish]

you said that ari shut down your reaction test pretty fast, but could you tell me what you gleaned from it if anything? like it Happened and then... what'd you gather from it? @bef

I learned zilch from it.

[BrightEyedFish]

bef, do you like to bus?

I don't like to bus, but if scum!me planned it out with my partners then I would do it.

[BrightEyedFish]

tbh I'm losing faith that Ari will eventually come in and do good things here

Who knows but I don't see anything else coming out of today unless activity really picks up. I'll move back to Ari if the Bell wagon doesn't go through.

I don't know what else to say though for now.

[BrightEyedFish]

tbh I'm losing faith that Ari will eventually come in and do good things here

Who knows but I don't see anything else coming out of today unless activity really picks up. I'll move back to Ari if the Bell wagon doesn't go through.

I don't know what else to say though for now.

What do you think about my point on bell / tsunami not being S/S?

Are you talking about your 1664

If so, I get what you are saying but I don't see how you would get a 99% read from that.

99% sure bell / tsunami aren't S/S

More content from bell would be appreciated

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm not liking the people with me on the Ari wagon right now. As Sam, TGP, and Bell all 3 were most likely scum according to my VCA. I'd rather go after Sam from that lot first but I can follow Gamma on Bell here.

VOTE: Bell

so like, i really don't like how you're sheeping here. it feels a bit like... self-conscious about how you're trying to follow behind on gamma here, and like yeah sure you said that your vca implicates bell but from you it feels cheap because you hadn't said anything about bell prior to today. that, and the fact that your analysis of his vote is pretty mild makes me like... dunno, it feels again to me like you're trying to take an easy way out when it comes to voting (because i def thought that your d1 vote was that)

Obviously you didn't read my VCA. Bell (along with Sam and TGP) were my top SRSs from the VCA.

it's more the fact that the bell analysis is very light and like, path of least resistance-y if you wanted to get some towncred from jumping off ari s: idk if that's the case anymore but like, of the votes you could've made the bell one made me squirm

Do you want me back on Ari? Just ask.

[BrightEyedFish]

aren't you saying they gained credibility in your eyes instead of lost it then?

yes but its not very townie to blatantly sheep/whiteknight isn't it

the cred i give is based off too scummy to be scum, not the action itself

I think I have probably been too obvtown that the WIFOM enthusiasts can't let it go.

[BrightEyedFish]

I think I have probably been too obvtown that the WIFOM enthusiasts can't let it go.

what have you done that's obvtown fypov?

I guess the most obvious thing for people not thinking like Shelley was me immediately putting the Vax wagon back to F-1. Scum would have been pretty reckless to put a partner back to F-1 so quickly without at least giving a chance for the wagon to dismantle.

[BrightEyedFish]

EBWOP

The wording about shelley there is a little weird. I am not suggesting that Shelley is "not thinking". I meant it as in other people "not thinking" about my slot for the same reasons as shelley is.

[BrightEyedFish]

I mean Vax refused to claim, for all we know it was a planned bus. If anything Vax was going down so hard it almost feels more like you were trying to force yourself to get on before any more town got on so you'd make sure you had cred and wagon positioning for VCA later

Then why wouldn't I have just hammered before Gyp made that unvote after my intent?

[BrightEyedFish]

Intent to hammer

UNVOTE:

Giving time to TBP to make their post

Hey hey hey
I want vax to answer my analysis.
I also have a few things to say to people but I got morning classes.

Can we at least give this day to solve and talk more? I'm talking like 12 hours.

I unvoted with Titus to help do a sorting exercise reaction test but I also don't trust many slots with the hammer. (Tbf I don't really trust anyone with a hammer in games but)

I am just too used to from rushed day ends and lolhammers.

~Taly phone posting with no bold at 5:35 AM

I won't hammer unless Vax refuses to claim in his next post.

VOTE: vaxkiller

Nope, got to keep the F-1 pressure on.

[BrightEyedFish]

I can't remember for sure but I am pretty certain I wrote 828 before reading Gyp's 827.

[BrightEyedFish]

like if you're scum in that situation, you still know Vax has to claim. Demanding he claim is something both town *and scum* should do in that situation. And if he speedhammered there it would probably just look scummier if anything. Stating intent and then voting when someone unvotes looks like a very typical scum play if your intent is to bus a partner that is playing badly

Vax kept refusing to claim, he was given enough chances. So its not like he wasn't given the chance.

Spoiler:

You should claim.


~Titus

I don't think so.

@gamma

Lol my reaction? I just joined a game that was in progress that I wanted to play in from teh start, only to already have a wagon on me and now titus is just going to hammer regardless of anything I say or do and my only hope is that someone else unvotes me before hand.

Reason for my lynch
-policy
-associations (with no flips even yet!)
-my "reaction" what ever the fuck that is

like WTF

AND to top it off im not scum. at least if I was I would have some fun writing this.

Why are you not claiming now?

~Titus

Because I truly feel it would be in our best interest not to.

I'm working hard to avoid this lynch and I believe I can be of some use, I just need to convince town and also show scum they cant push thier shit through on this one.

What the fuck is so important about me claiming???

Lmao nice altslip

Pedit : that must've been the secret 16th player chill out guys

OH MY GOD NO FUCK SHIT HELL
please tell me you know what foolishness you've just invoked.

Did i just accidentally summon cthulu?

Nooo but you made an accidental reference. Unless you INTENDED the reference.

T'was an accidental refence, now i need to know please x)

Pedit : yeah, vax you need to full claim, only way you miiiiight not get exed

What are your thoughts on my wagon?

I'd like to hear more from Happy Unbirthday boon too.

My syntax case was 80% a joke btw. I was kidding around but I really, really think Vax flips scum.

Vaxkiller, why haven't you claimed yet?

There is a perfectly good reason. I think Titus is the only one who sees it unfortunately.

@anyoen who cares

When im scum, I love fake claiming. It just adds to the lie, the deceit, the THRILL! Check my previous scum games chats and you can see I had a BLAST in the scum chat theorizing what to claim, who to fake target....

I have a different goal here.

[BrightEyedFish]

Post 889

Is what sealed the deal for me on Vax, that quick paradigm shift in wondering why hiss claim was important after repeatedly toting the fact that its best for town if he doesn't claim.

It was 100% a scum slip.

[BrightEyedFish]

sam is a lame wagon, i agree with HBB, scum probably arent *that disorganised* that the main wagon + CW of d1 are s/s

Just looking at the D1 rep out alone makes me think scum were pretty disorganized then.

Either that or filled with some less active players.

[BrightEyedFish]

Will this game have 1 variant or 2 based on size?

I'm pretty sure 2 since this was in the large queue.

[BrightEyedFish]

HBB seems to know more about what Vax & scum was thinking than town would. If Sam's town, HBB's likely scum.

I had a though similar to this but instead of HBB, it was irt HUB.

[BrightEyedFish]

HBB seems to know more about what Vax & scum was thinking than town would. If Sam's town, HBB's likely scum.

I had a though similar to this but instead of HBB, it was irt HUB.

Explain more. What specific thought & why?

I could never really articulate it enough in my mind, hence why I didn't previously mention it. Maybe it was because HUB was pushing me for re: vax and made me feel defensive towards HUB.

See HUB's ISO starting around 1716 where it seems HUB "know's about what Vax was thinking.

I was wanting to sit on this thought and see if it grew into anything as the game progressed. Then after reading your 1906 it felt to coincidental even though you are talking about the other Birthday slot.

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF, what're your reads at the moment?

A quick RCE shotgun reads list:

Town:

Gamma Emerald
Ydrasse
Happy Birthday Boonskiies

Null:

Shellyc
Shoshin
Happy Unbirthday Boon
TheGoldenParadox

Scum:

Bell
Aristophanes
Samantha97
Gypyx

I'm aware there probably aren't 4 scum left but those 4 under Scum are the ones I would feel most comfortable in fading today.

[BrightEyedFish]

Why is Gamma town?

Maybe its all the positive vibes coming from that slot towards me

I have also noticed Gamma's post regarding me could be interpreted as an attempt to pocket me but I am actively ignoring any paranoia I could have there.

[BrightEyedFish]

You don't believe Sam's claim? They're the only claimed boon bank role.

I totally forgot about the claim when doing that list. Sam can probably slide into a null slot.

[BrightEyedFish]

Why is Gamma town?

Maybe its all the positive vibes coming from that slot towards me

I have also noticed Gamma's post regarding me could be interpreted as an attempt to pocket me but I am actively ignoring any paranoia I could have there.

I've been calling you town since I joined the game. Why don't you feel the same about me?

Well now I feel guilty. You can have a town cookie too

[BrightEyedFish]

Why wasn't there a CW on D1? You need to explain this in a way that makes sense if you want to find scum.

vax's predecessor got angle-shot and vax himself refused to claim for literally no reason

the slot gave scum nothing to work with to deflect the wagon

I think better scum could have easily saved Vax.

I think there was either no effort or save Vax or no communication. That's why I first looked off Vax's wagon with my VCA. That's why Nico (Shosh) and Ari could have been considered scum before Shosh redeemed that slot. That leaves Ari, but fading there still has a somewhat policy feel about it and I don't generally like policy.

[BrightEyedFish]

actually fuck it VOTE: Gamma

I'll still reread his iso later tonight but I just want you to keep your wim up and know that I'm seriously thinking about what you say, I don't want you tilting out

I get what people are saying about Gamma but I can't commit to SRing the slot right now. If I am being pocketed by Gamma then that's its pretty bold how scum!gamma has made it so obvious.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: Ari

No one is joining me on Bell so I will move back to Ari due to the having less than 24 hours til deadline.

I'll be on and off today and I would like switch my vote to any of the 3 in my SRs list (Bell, Gyp, Ari). If another wagon presents itself I will give it consideration and will probably end up voting/hammering anyone to keep from a no fade if needed.

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF, you're disappointing me. Why aren't you sheeping Gamma in Ari? If Gamma's town, surely you would trust his read on Ari?

I get what you are saying but on the flip side, if you are sure I am town why won't you trust my read on Gamma?

[BrightEyedFish]

i don't know if you've explained this before, but gamma was the first vote on tsunami and never moved, despite having other susses; do you think it was just a bus that got out of control?

Gamma attacked Taylor for voting Tsunami while Gamma was also voting them. So it's fairly clear that while Gamma had his vote on Vax but didn't support the wagon. He was ready to flip his vote if another wagon gained enough steam, but he couldn't get Vax unsuspiciously until there was a viable CW. No viable CW ever happened, so Gamma just passively allowed Vax to die

Like I suggested, scum!gamma would be bold to pocket attempt me so obviously. Wouldn't you think that scum!gamma being in this mindset would be bold enough to start a CW himself?

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF, it's much easier as scum to defend someone you know is town than it is to justify changing your vote from someone you know is scum to someone you know is town. These things aren't comparable.

As for why I don't trust your read on Gamma, it's because I'm strongly scumreading Gamma & my reads are highly accurate relative to yours (and probably most players in this game, no offense to anyone).

I am 1-0 in this game for now.

[BrightEyedFish]

Most people didn't see it like I did but I was 100% sold on Vax with that scum slip I have already mentioned.

[BrightEyedFish]

Most people didn't see it like I did but I was 100% sold on Vax with that scum slip I have already mentioned.

I wasn't in this game at that time, but I've played games with town you mislynching while I literally carried the town to victory, so I dunno what to tell you. I was on an alt so you won't remember this.

I am pretty sure I have never had a perfect town game with only scum fades. Or at least not in recent memory.

[BrightEyedFish]

I feel like saying, if I work with you now and you miss would you work with me later. But I have done that proposal several times and no one ever keeps their word on it.

[BrightEyedFish]

Most people didn't see it like I did but I was 100% sold on Vax with that scum slip I have already mentioned.

I wasn't in this game at that time, but I've played games with town you mislynching while I literally carried the town to victory, so I dunno what to tell you. I was on an alt so you won't remember this.

I am pretty sure I have never had a perfect town game with only scum fades. Or at least not in recent memory.

My most recently completed town game is a perfect game, for reference.

Mini Normal 2177? Was a perfect town game but you were killed N1.

[BrightEyedFish]

I was killed because I derailed popular wagon on town, led lynch on scum, and correctly read other scum as scum. Townies expressly followed my reads on subsequent days to lynch the last scum.

Nice work there but I still don't want to go Gamma. Anyone in Ari, Bell or Gyp you are considering to fade?

[BrightEyedFish]

The poe leaves Gamma/Ari/Gypyx/Sam.

Are you interested in fading Ari or Gyp instead of Gamma?

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: Gamma

[BrightEyedFish]

Only because of the deadline.

[BrightEyedFish]

If Gamma goes green, I hope Shosh gives my reads more thought come tomorrow.

[BrightEyedFish]

UNVOTE:

Let's wait for Gamma to post. No rushing.

LoL. You're next post better be a revote or Im unvoting too.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: Gyp

Im in CET so I won't be around much longer.

[BrightEyedFish]

bef if you’re not gonna be around is that your final vote??

I be around for a little longer but i don't want to have my vote on gamma if people are thinking about an alternative.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: gamma

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: Bell

[BrightEyedFish]

thats all you have to say for yourself Bell?

[BrightEyedFish]

Guilty on Bell.

[BrightEyedFish]

He's either lying or game throwing and he can get yeeted either way.

You can discuss, but he's full of it and that's obvious to anyone who has ever played mafia ever.

Barring some sort of interference, you are conf scum.

[BrightEyedFish]

Uh, I'm a VT dude.
There's no interference, there's no room for your claim with the other claims already made in this game. you're just lying ,knew you were getting wagoned today for your blatant scum play and just trying to get someone out the door before you get yeeted yourself.

I never claimed.

[BrightEyedFish]

..............................

Are you fucking seriously walking back a cop guilty?

I have a guilty, never said I was a cop though.

[BrightEyedFish]

..............................

Are you fucking seriously walking back a cop guilty?

I have a guilty, never said I was a cop though.

A guilty is only by definition used by cops every other role in the game does not get a guilty result.

So, yeah.
You're lying.

I have solid evidence that points to you 100% being scum. Guilty might not be the exact nomenclature but the result is the same.

[BrightEyedFish]

Yeah, but the nomenclature in the PM you would have gotten would not have been a guilty instead it would have been something else. But you used the word guilty and I am not scum so you're Full. Of. Shit.

You said I got a PM?

[BrightEyedFish]

Who*

[BrightEyedFish]

Please actually listen to what I'm saying.

Does it make sense for BEF to claim a guilty and then walk it back instead of pursuing it more thoughtfully if it was something else.
I didn't go anywhere and he's going to Say Sam moved me or someone else moved me or something when I flip town.

I never walked it back. My evidence has you as 100% scum.

I will tell you I am

NOT

a cop but I have the equivalent to a guilty.

[BrightEyedFish]

please fullclaim BEF

Bef, i'd like a fullclaim please

Loyal Fruit Vendor

[BrightEyedFish]

Non-Consecutive, holstered N1 due to N1 BT Games being unpredictable.

[BrightEyedFish]

enabler

did bell claim fruit/no fruit?

thats all you have to say for yourself Bell?

Yeah pretty much.

[BrightEyedFish]

No big feels elsewhere but if I had to flip a coin I'd say BEF town

Yeah, HUB knows it. I'm BEF and this is a BT game. Water is wet. Fire is hot. The sky is blue. The truth is true. I am town. I love you.

This is my crumb. Anyone who knows my history on BT games can attest to how I have often been a FV.

[BrightEyedFish]

I doubt she did.

Is this a scum slip? Because if you were town then you would be 100% sure that something had to have interfered.

[BrightEyedFish]

Also BEF, did you make any crumbs?

No big feels elsewhere but if I had to flip a coin I'd say BEF town

Yeah, HUB knows it. I'm BEF and this is a BT game. Water is wet. Fire is hot. The sky is blue. The truth is true. I am town. I love you.

This is my crumb. Anyone who knows my history on BT games can attest to how I have often been a FV.

[BrightEyedFish]

There's no interference

He seems pretty sure.

[BrightEyedFish]

@HBB

Did you receive just fruit or was is sticky?

[BrightEyedFish]

It was not sticky lol, just fruit
Is that a reference to the previous Boonskiies game?

Its in reference to the Boonbank role that could technically be in any game.

[BrightEyedFish]

I don't think there's any benefit to me claiming tbh

It'll all make sense when I claim and it won't be scummy, so dw

Are you Vax 2.0?

Just a reminder for you:

The lack of claiming is really scummy. I think town!you knows a lolhammer can happen at any moment, and Gypyx specified he would hammer any post from you that wasn't a claim.

If you "really don't want to claim" because you're obviously hinting at a PR you don't want to out, I have no idea why you're so fearless and wouldn't just claim it at that point.

I think you're not claiming for some sweet towncred to look townier for being stubborn.

[BrightEyedFish]

I am also fine with finishing the wagon on Bell and then letting HBB claim at Day start tomorrow.

[BrightEyedFish]

HBB is not at E-1. im afraid of hectic again.

I know but the "resistance" to claiming made me think about Vax. Vax was in a totally different position than HBB right now that's why I have no problem waiting until after Bell for HBB to claim.

[BrightEyedFish]

gg everyone!

Thanks to Boon for yet another great modded game!