Xenoblade 2 Mafia: Game Over

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Another dethy, huh.

Narrows things down a bit.

~ strange

Does it though?

I’m on the same wavelength as you and Syryana however.

That's quite interesting given spin and I aren't entirely on the same wavelength atm. It's a matter of priorities, not of direction, though.

"Narrows down" refers to my desultory efforts at figuring out your main.

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This post? This is a taylor post.

A HUGE fucking taylor post.

In what way?

This is a bad question and you should feel bad.

~ strange

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Yeah Cabd is my Blade and I am a Driver we have weird role where we always have to link

This post? This is a taylor post.

A HUGE fucking taylor post.

Good enough for me.

VOTE: SirCakez

That said, I reserve the right to yeet the fuck out of Noraa at any point today.
-spin

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This is a bad question and you should feel bad.

I still don't really understand. There still seem to be some information withheld.

We don't want Cabd to have to claim to get Cakez dead like the dethy had to out in Smoke. So yes, there is information withheld.

We believe Cabd is town enough to support him pushing this through. Also because we don't wanna listen to him whine for six months about not getting his way two games in a row.

-spin

Pedit: Torpedos primed.

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Role.

Related.

Reasons.

Those five names are not randomly selected.

The thread silence heard around the world.

Nobody cares

FTFY
-spin

Pedit: Optimism has always been my defining trait

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Take me to the lakes please

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What if it's just a joke though?

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if this is all just based on a coincidental joke and he flips town because of a joke ill be footstompy salt again.

noraa is still scum though!

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Hard to believe I was excited for this game 24 hours ago
This has been one of the most miserable mafia experiences in my six yearsplaying

*hug*

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Cabd if Cakes flips town you die tomorrow okay?

No.

(We don't actually have to do that forever, I feel bad for Cakes getting fucked over by RNGesus here)

p-edit: Sure.

I like cakez too much to overtoast him for real. Clint gif on pagetop though? My magnum opus rests.

Hard to believe I was excited for this game 24 hours ago
This has been one of the most miserable mafia experiences in my six yearsplaying

*hug*

QFT. Cakez, bud, I love you whatever you flip. I'm sorry it came to this. We'll get Noraa for you.
-spin

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Hard to believe I was excited for this game 24 hours ago
This has been one of the most miserable mafia experiences in my six yearsplaying

I'm sorry. I'm pretty sure I feel for you more than anyone due to my Xenoblade 1 experience. If against all odds you're town, I don't think I have a comparable experience. Maybe that Battlestar Galactica micro that AP ran.

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I just don't think this is a smart way to go about this.

Could entirely just be a coincidental joke. But we should have more time. This does not need to be rushed.

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oh

heal fast

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

UNVOTE:

In case he ain't dead.

-spin

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Fermis what are you hoping for I'm hammered

oh

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Bork just hasn't finished counting yet

Any last thoughts?

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Also please elim BM
I can't stand that he's acting like my push on him is the reason I'm dying

lol pushing obvtown-BM is literally the reason you came under scrutiny and got wagonned. I'm guessing you didn't help yourself after that, but I didn't read the last 20 pages.

Incorrect!

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Also please elim BM
I can't stand that he's acting like my push on him is the reason I'm dying

lol pushing obvtown-BM is literally the reason you came under scrutiny and got wagonned. I'm guessing you didn't help yourself after that, but I didn't read the last 20 pages.

Incredible case of saying what didn't happen.

~ strange

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Also please elim BM
I can't stand that he's acting like my push on him is the reason I'm dying

lol pushing obvtown-BM is literally the reason you came under scrutiny and got wagonned. I'm guessing you didn't help yourself after that, but I didn't read the last 20 pages.

Incredible case of saying what didn't happen.

~ strange

pfft OMGUS again

Pointing out you being wrong isn't OMGUS.
Nice try though.
-spin.

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cakez is town. pls lynch LLD tomorrow.

I want noraa fight me

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cakez is town. pls lynch LLD tomorrow.

I want noraa fight me

Fuck yes charmhead let's yeet it
-spin

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The way you're acting, you're going to die. You might die today. If you don't, you're going to die tomorrow. If, on the weird off chance you are town, get your head out of your ass and start talking to us.

I think y'all are the ones not willing to listen. I suggest an opinion that contradicts urs and u both are all OMG caught scum. Ok like sure, I look pretty bs if cake flips red but he hasn't even flipped. Why is everyone this certain.

We're listening. That's your problem. Interesting you address this to us and not Cabd.

~ strange

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The way you're acting, you're going to die. You might die today. If you don't, you're going to die tomorrow. If, on the weird off chance you are town, get your head out of your ass and start talking to us.

I think y'all are the ones not willing to listen. I suggest an opinion that contradicts urs and u both are all OMG caught scum. Ok like sure, I look pretty bs if cake flips red but he hasn't even flipped. Why is everyone this certain.

that's quite a misrep little one.

I've tried to interact with you several times today to get your read on cakez and you've been like

ahahahaha hotshitscumhunterfuckyouby

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welp I can go run errands now!

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LLD is more likely town?

By pure statistics maybe, I disagree that anything in her ISO is particularly AI for her. Except maybe that "you gon die on Cakez townflip bro" at Cabd
-spin

The way you're acting, you're going to die. You might die today. If you don't, you're going to die tomorrow. If, on the weird off chance you are town, get your head out of your ass and start talking to us.

I think y'all are the ones not willing to listen. I suggest an opinion that contradicts urs and u both are all OMG caught scum. Ok like sure, I look pretty bs if cake flips red but he hasn't even flipped. Why is everyone this certain.

We ask you questions and you ignore us. You have done fuckall but scumread people scumreading you. And say you don't like the Cakez wagon. Which IS OMGUS, Balfruss, since you seem to be confused about the definition.

pretending im wrong to shade me, because i called you out

is OMGUS

Pretending you're not wrong to shade us because we called you out is OMGUS

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are we going ot address at some point that cabds certainty that cakez is scum is like really fake as donald trumps hair piece?

Nope.

~ strange

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My only regret in this game is that the 2012 cohort masonry has but one vote.

Cabd, you still in a hurry?

We thought Cakez' reaction to the pseudo hammer looked a little town. Since the vc, not so much. :/

~ strange

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lets not lynch people that annoy us and insteaad lynch people that scare me.

still need you to answer whether there's more to this than paranoia

no, if there was i would have said so. u dont hold back ur best cards when ur trying to go for the big cat that is LLD

hate this but at the same time think it's a little more likely to come from town

Yeah. However, my last will and testament includes a clause about not letting this get to limlo. It's a fairly long clause atm.

~ strange

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My only regret in this game is that the 2012 cohort masonry has but one vote.

Cabd, you still in a hurry?

We thought Cakez' reaction to the pseudo hammer looked a little town. Since the vc, not so much. :/

~ strange

My nightmare is I wake up Wednesday evening and cakez is still alive and the wagon is on somebody town.

Noraa is not in that list. Gamma is. If I wake up to a Noraa wagon to death, and whoever was going o and on about leashing or whatever leashed cakez, i'll be annoyed. But not devastated.

That's the rush. I won't be around for a good 12-15 hour span. Scary. Anesthesia always is.

Gamma was threatening Brian with a leash. If he continues to threaten my strong townreads with leashes, I can't promise I won't vote there eventually. Not today, though.

~ strange

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I like this idea.

Vote: Noraa

~ strange

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What cakez posts did you think looked town fferyllt?

Rereading, they're not striking me as town as much as they did in the moment. He had to be prompted to claim.

Paranoia flickerings ask whether the hammer reaction was performance art.

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I’d listen to that paranoia. I was about to nominate his performance for a Razzie.

Yeah.

I just need to vote Noraa for a while. Her scumfuckery has fried so many circuits in such a short time. After gawdknows how many mafia games, I don't have so many circuits to spare.

It worries me how well you're fitting into my brain. After a couple years away, I don't feel like I should be as predictable as I apparently am.

~ strange

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I am definitely shades of gray and always have been. Ambiguity, thy name is ~strange

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Cabd dunno if this is relevant, but it might be.

Nothing in our role PM mentions you.

~ strange

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I fucking can't.


I'm melting down emotionally about this cakes.


I'm like 100 percent sure I'm right but ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I'm fucking scared. Deathy hydra I might need therapy.

Talk to me?

~ strange

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Cabd plz talk.

Did my 1934 have something to do with this whatever it is?

~ strange

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I fucking can't.


I'm melting down emotionally about this cakes.


I'm like 100 percent sure I'm right but ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I'm fucking scared. Deathy hydra I might need therapy.

Talk to me?

~ strange

I am so confident about this read I have plenty of other reasons to believe this is the correct choice but whoever said that I was being like Alison sings because I don't feel I'm being that way but clearly somebody thought that and it's a pretty crappy feeling

I'm almost certain we're moving our vote back once we discuss shit. Noraa's second. I'm enjoying sitting on this wagon in the meantime and wouldn't cry a single tear if the meantime goes to deadline.

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Well a full claim will at least be the first step in helping us figure this situation out. This whole strategy of keeping things secret was very unlikely to work out anways.

Cakez was at E-1. What do you mean very unlikely?

~ strange

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Cabd

Midway's actually bugging me.

What's happening to my townpile???

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I am starting to think Cakez is town

You shouldn't

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FL and I are officially not living in the same world.

surprise, surprise~

~ strange

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Though this could be what being pocketed feels like.

not referring to FL

~ strange

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I town read l4pe and unwnd for whatever that is worth as well :V

okay, why

i wasn't expecting much but i'm still disppointed

Feel like discussing your current vote?

~ strange

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Who do you think pocketed you fferyllt?

I’m also not surprised at all at Flavor Leafs newfound scumread of me.

You, Shihan

onegai shimasu

~ strange

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Ffrrysyrmy help I think leafie just mind melded with me and I haven't even laid a single hint of it down.

Didn't this also happen earlier?

When spin's caught up I look forward to his thoughts about this. He agreed with your FL townlean a while back.

~ strange

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Who do you think pocketed you fferyllt?

I’m also not surprised at all at Flavor Leafs newfound scumread of me.

You, Shihan

onegai shimasu

~ strange

Alright. I’ll stand aside, let me know if you need anything from me.

I don't want you to stand aside. I want enough interaction that I can figure out if this is...what's that term all the cool kids use...mindmeld, something more sinister, or both.

Would probably also help me figure this out if I knew who the hell you are. :hitoshrug:

[Fermis Flames]

I’m not playing guess who. If I mainslip then great for you guys! But I’m intentionally playing a different style so meta wont so much good for you.

Yeah I know. And I am not asking you to out.

You're choosing to interact with me like you know me/my play fairly well, and I have to figure that into my read somehow. I need to spend a little time looking at how you've interacted with others in this game. Just from swimming along in the currents my impression is there's a difference in our interactions vs your interactions with others. That may be a focus problem on my part.

Communication has been mostly one-way so far. You ask me stuff, and I haven't asked you much. And that's a me-thing too. Which is why I don't want you to back off. I want to dance.

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There’s no passion behind her push on me. Look at her vs Joyed and her vs me.

What game are you talking about?

Just do. I think he’s been fairly town from the get go and I don’t see scum Cabd choosing to play this game out like he has. I view it as town Cabd who found a thread to pull and hooked it to the back of a Maglev. I don’t get that vibe from you. I think you are flying pretty heftily under the radar and I expected more than just myself to notice it.

Here you go, another question! How is FL's play under the radar? I'm not comfortable with him, but he's more of a presence than he was even 12 hours ago. I feel like his Unwnd read is a little on the self-referential side (coming from a self-referential player, maybe not the most incisive commentary)...like if Unwnd's target had been someone else I kinda doubt FL would have gotten so into it even with a very similar trajectory.

Cabd
Cobra Kai
Dunnstral
Gamma Emerald
Guillotina
l4pe
Lady Lambdadelta
MariaR
Noraa
unwnd
Will catch up later maybe (Nachomamma8/zMuffinMan)

This is probably my bottom 50%, and by that I mean, these players have failed to make me consider them as townie or they’ve actively done something I feel could mean they are scum regardless of my actual read on them, if that makes sense. I believe my paranoia with Gamma and Cabd is a good sign, personally. I almost included ffery hydra here.

Way too early analysis conclusion - around 4 scum in that list. This is a confirmed 5 scum game, right?

Two thirds of the Ya Ya Sisterhood dislike this list. You're giving yourself a lot of maneuvering room. Remaining third may agree when she's caught up.

~ strange

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I feel invisible.

Point being is independent of whatever Cabd was doing.
I'm scum reading him now and would prefer his elimination.

Hello!

Did you know you're adorably town?

~ strange

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I think scum probably saw Cabd’s push, and wants to take advantage of it.

Who are these scum?

And as I recall you just had Cabd in your scumpile. The above implies you believe he's town. Which is it?

-spin

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I feel invisible.

Point being is independent of whatever Cabd was doing.
I'm scum reading him now and would prefer his elimination.

Hello!

Did you know you're adorably town?

~ strange

I did. *wags tail*

God I fucking love you. This is so good after the smoke filled shitshow.

-spin

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I am going to get massively shredded by the shadow cabal if I do this because it feeds into their bizarro narrative that Noraa and I are buddies doing scum theatre
And I don't feel that strongly about LLD anyways
Noraa is better vote

What do you care? It's not like we can find you MORE scummy at this point.

-spin

Pedit- What do you mean again, Reagan? She never stopped.

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Her wagon stalled. We need to create more reasons for other people to go to Noraa, and voting LLD will give more strings to look at.

Answer this. Please.

I think scum probably saw Cabd’s push, and wants to take advantage of it.

Who are these scum?

And as I recall you just had Cabd in your scumpile. The above implies you believe he's town. Which is it?

-spin

Thanks.
-spin

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Thanks.
-spin

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I don't understand this list of five that is being referred to

Cabd's list of 4 players plus you.

~ strange

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Not really because since it seems meta related. But we're not even wagoning you right now.

And Nacho-LLD interactions have me curious.

I’m most likely the counterwagon to Cakez after Noraa flips, just wanted to pregame it a bit.

Nah.

~ strange

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*Pokes back in*

Okay. That's a lot of pages not that I expected anything less. What did I miss?

Cabd's about to post his wallpost. Then Cakes is going to die. Stay tuned!
-spin

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Can we just yeet cakez without it and save Cabd the stress.

VOTE: SirCakez
-spin

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i told nacho yesterday that i think there's a high concentration of scum in cakez, brian skies, noraa, l4pd and uh maybe manwithnoname and then nacho decided to be contrarian and town read most of those people

we are an incredibly not-dysfunctional hydra

-Nacho

yeah but nacho's a newb.

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Uh this LLD wagon seems largely made up of people who wanted Cakez dead but I don't see many of them saying Cakez was redeemed

Ignore it. FL is just being an agent of chaos.
Save a townread. Vote Cakez.
-spin

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i told nacho yesterday that i think there's a high concentration of scum in cakez, brian skies, noraa, l4pd and uh maybe manwithnoname and then nacho decided to be contrarian and town read most of those people

we are an incredibly not-dysfunctional hydra

-Nacho

Talk about brian skies and l4pd?

~ strange

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Man I really hate Flavor Leaf's posting please someone tell me why he's townread he's so full of himself

FL being egotistical is an FL thing. He likes to point at everyone in the list and call it scum so he can claim the correct solve in the endgame. Just ignore him.
-spin

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We'd like a little bit of time before day ends plz!

Just in case pile-on happens

~ strange

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100

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Extreme dodge of the Noraa-trajectory component of the case noted.

Syr, you may once again break out the nodgif.

Hell I just find it funny that after all that wanting a case, you call him on wanting to call it bullshit and rebut point by point and now he's refusing to engage it at all

But clint is primed

Also MWNN is scum

-spin

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I was here on page 100 within 36 hours of day start

Pedit:

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I liked Cabd’s wall but I don’t think I’m the target demographic.

You're not voting Cakez when you should be. You're definitely the target demographic. Come on. For science.
-spin

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reads
Bell, Gamma, BM
Cabd, Dunn, Maria, beeboy
Comfortable
Fermi, unwnd, Brian
Regan, cobra
Flavor, l4pe, Gullo, noraa, LLD, firebringer, MWNN, Cakez, catchup

will catch up later

beeboy's placement in this list is frankly offensive

^^^

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Spoiler: Morph Masonry Nobody Else Allowed

On a scale of K9 to Helen of Troy how human are you feeling right now?

~ Rift Adrift

<3 Wishing you an easy surgery and recovery

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reads
Bell, Gamma, BM
Cabd, Dunn, Maria, beeboy
Comfortable
Fermi, unwnd, Brian
Regan, cobra
Flavor, l4pe, Gullo, noraa, LLD, firebringer, MWNN, Cakez, catchup

will catch up later

beeboy's placement in this list is frankly offensive

If I'm honest l4pe's is pretty not cool either. Or the presidential runoffs
-spin

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I liked Cabd’s wall but I don’t think I’m the target demographic.

You're not voting Cakez when you should be. You're definitely the target demographic. Come on. For science.
-spin

I think my stance on Cakez is pretty self evident.

Don’t you guys want more time in the day phase anyways?

Charm does. I'm not charm.
-spin

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I've already stated I think you guys are on another planet with this "scum theatre" theory and that's that.

Not engaging on the trajectory issue noted.

I do this case wall just for you and this is my repayment eh?

If I engage you will you actually listen?
(The answer is no)
So why should I bother

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Point being, if one of you three wanted more time in giving them more time. You’ll have my vote.

I know, I'm just fuckin with ya. Mostly.
-spin

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i don't blame him for not being able to read me, and i've been playing this pretty low-key. being above the pile is good enough. l4pe is probably above bottom tier, though, yes.

I don't blame him for things
I want him to talk to me and love me and make the bad people/thoughts go away
-spin

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Spoiler: Morph Masonry Nobody Else Allowed

On a scale of K9 to Helen of Troy how human are you feeling right now?

~ Rift Adrift

<3 Wishing you an easy surgery and recovery

Spoiler: Morph Masonry Nobody Else Allowed

I think I'm gonna ask for a hidden USB C port in my jaw while they're in there anyways. The drivers can always come later, hardware support is where it's out.

I did the case. He is now not wanting to engage the case. ESPECIALLY the Noraa parts of the case. I am satisfied all has ended well. I face my dental-death with dignity.

Spoiler: Morph Masonry Nobody Else Allowed

you might want to ask the dentists for a tune up. we'll see you on the flip side

Rift Adrift

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Other than sideshow attraction what are your thoughts on Flavor, Syryana?

Personally, I'm still leaning town. But then, I have no idea what a scum-FL even looks like. It just kind of reminds me of Illicit April I guess. The LLD wagon attempt is an exercise in futility, you could run over LLD with a steamroller and she wouldn't feel pressure. The followers are mostly bored.

I don't really get the sense he's trying to build a narrative or anything based off what he's doing. Mostly just agent of chaos as per usual.

I was also told to tell you strange agrees when she's not cheerily talking to a brick with a picture of Nacho on it in the corner.
-spin

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nope!

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Wishing you an easy surgery and recovery

Same. *sending well wishes to cabd*

Scum eavesdropper detected~

~ Rift Adrift

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I’ll be on Cakez once Tammy signals she’s done whatever she wanted more time for.

That wasn't Charm. It was me. I'm strangely pleased when I'm misrecognized in the Ya Ya Sisterhood.

We had a couple questions for our Esteemed Game Host, and we have gotten not the answers we wanted, but the answers we can have.

Thank you kindly for giving us the time we asked for.

We're good.

Wagon ho.

~ Strangely Altered Ego

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since when did you start thinking that blindly sheeping your town reads is a good thing

-nacho

Since ffery decided to take every opportunity to remind me that Albert was indeed scum in Advance Wars Mafia (who she felt strongly about and I kept her from lynching).

I was just salty all over again, rereading that game. Sorry! You do you. I'm no mafia goddess. Never was.

~ strange

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I speed-read and have done nothing but read this game since I got home. Gonna try to step away cuz I'm getting a headache.

I haven't read my other heads thoughts to completion yet, as I didn't have time to do that too, but right now where I'm at:

Town to varying degrees: Battle Mage (I just like his posting. Call me stupid but him telling everyone he's a blade in the way he has makes me chuckle and that's my weakness), Gamma (once he finally stopped arguing with BM I started feeling better about him.), Cabd, Flavor Leaf (this is probably actually premature, but I like his stuff so far. I don't feel completely inept at reading him, so he stays here until I start feeling uncomfortable), l4pe and unwnd (this one I'm slotting to see exactly how I feel about it being in this group. I've gone back and forth on a few of the reasonings for their posts, but right now I'm leaning towards me just not agreeing with their logic rather than they're scummy.)

most people are shades of null. I'm actually surprised I have that many people that I have in a townish pool! midway bear, bell, and brian might belong in that group as well but meh they're on positive levels of null.

both my other head feel pretty strong about cakez scum as far as I understand, and I kinda want to throw in with theirs and cabd's confidence on cakez but for me yeah he could flip scum but I'm not personally that confident. This could be because I'm still feeling guilty about last game when I had a little good thing to keep town reading him for and I didn't voice it even though last game was an attempted game throw anyway. BUT.

Think noraa is just scum.

I didn't read every post from today but I'm caught up enough. I don't think I missed too much based on discord chats, so I'll probably not go back to reread all that unless I absolutely have to. I'm way too tired from waiting up to talk to nacho last night and my eyes feel crossed to do much more tonight, so hopefully sleep soon!

I'm still basically here.

Though move l4pe down to null. Lack of posting loses my they feel fine in the moment. i do still like my thing about the self-awareness thing. I'm just not sure it's very strong. I still feel decently comfortable about the other townish reads.

Add bell and reagan to the townish pile. (reagan was moving in here before prism showed up, but I do *like* prism's first post. erm was gonna say I think they post that kind of what they expect from themself and how they prefer to play more as town than scum and came off differently than when we were scum together but now when i started typing it out I remembered a game moons ago where a type of post like this came from scum, so this point is moot. I still do like the first post but I don't know if it's because I was already starting to think that peta was leaning town, so meh. idk but they're there.)

cobra kai might be here too actually. This is a comfort and flow read.

Brian should probably be moved from null into town. I did like the way he was reading muffin from nacho's posts last night. Kinda liked the "town muffin would never scum read me' thing. Don't think that's at all alignment indicative on the muffincho side though. My other heads have him as super town, and i don't have any objections really, the shining halo just hasn't appeared to me yet.

muffincho are positive shades of null. I liked nacho's interaction with me last night quite a lot, but I know that i've also given scumcho an early pass for having a good interaction with me and good posts in the early game. If he's able to interact with the game more, I'll be able to move this up or down. We haven't played together for years though; hopefully I'm still okay at reading him. Also I did not reach out to him beginning game, and I did this purposefully so as not to jinx it. 90% of the time when I reach out, he ends up scum. I did not reach out which should only give him a 10% chance at scum. I know this is how probabilities and percentages work because I never mess those up!

noraa is an actual scum read that I'm wavering on a little bit but I still like. beeboy is my back pocket scum read. MWNN might be too, not really too sure about this but something feels off can't put my finger on it.

Noraa - My scum read on you is largely due to your entrance feeling fake. When you first came in you made the big thing about RVS, which I get! it's a travesty to miss RVS, which is the only good part of mafia. You seemed very friendly with Cabd at first and asked him how sure he was about cakez and voted there while interacting with cakez in a weird way about meta. It looked like you were trying to find a way to vote him besides just cabd said so. I get that you came back and said all that was your own mini rvs, but it wasn't clear at the time that you were doing that, and I guess maybe? I don't know that it totally looks like that in retrospect, but sure I'll squint and say I can see it.

My major problem is what happened next. When you came back you chastised the thread and Cabd for the read and declared if you were right everyone had to call you daddy. Which is fine, arrogant chutzpah doesn't make you scum. Except you never gave a read on cakez; you were just yelling about people sheeping cabd and there being no case. What it looks like is that you cared more about trying to discredit cabd than do anything else in the game, and that's what concerns me the most. I asked you three times earlier what your actual read on cakez was and you ignored every time I asked you the question. Even while you were around and posting. I don't really buy into the scum theater argument there. My problem with you is that your shtick this game seems to be focusing mostly on discrediting people than trying to figure out the game. Maybe this is your town game, but as someone who replaced into undertale and told the remaining townies in final three that they were both playing badly, I expect you know how to play town. And I'm having a hard time seeing this as your town game.

Your push on flavor leaf likewise didn't make sense. you claimed that he was pushing you as a wagon to distract from the cakez wagon who could be scum that flavor is scum partners with even though flavor was scum reading you and cakez and voting unwind. (If I've misunderstood your argument here feel free to correct me. This is how I understand it.)

I'm just having a hard time reading your thoughts as believable. I'm always reassessing and willing to be proven wrong, so if you're town please start acting like it.

For cakez man guys I just don't know. My other heads have a decently strong scum read there and are putting their faith in cabd's read there as well. I'm not saying they're wrong to, but I just don't know. Cakez doesn't feel as natural as he did last game, and i didn't like the early push on BM for the reasoning, but I just really don't know. I'm willing to put my faith in my hydra partners and cabd's read because sometimes conviction sways me and I want that warm blanket of certainty, but personally I'd not take a bet on what he'll flip.

[Fermis Flames]

My other heads have him as super town

NOT super town. Don't have a Nacho read to call my own yet. Muffin's posts feel town and he's been more present. I know he's going to blindside me eventually. This could be the game since he's raised literally zero flags so far.

~shudders~

~ strange