Death Curse

[shellyc]

Pagetop

[shellyc]

Wait it’s 25 posts instead of 15 posts damn

Ok fine let’s compromise bell I’ll join kill Taylor gang today and you join kill uno gang tmr

[shellyc]

I sincerely didn’t know it and I’m tired it’s midnight

I just got freaked out by that hurt tag

I can link some games that I overreacted to votes, I remember there was a newbie (2031 I think) where I prematurely claimed my tpr when there was no intent and I was only at e1

[shellyc]

Hopkirk. I feel like I want to keep you around

...with me in the dead thread.

VOTE: Hopkirk

If hopkirk flips like I think he will, please look at shellyC.

If he does flip town, I'm sorry. Maybe still look at shellyC


I cant seem to sort taylor with all thier posts

pookie still not sure about

Unowen is town if Hopkirk flips scum

Unfortunately there is probably also a scum in one of the slots that is lurking... I hate offing lurkers, but, it may have to be done.



I think I was wrong about Bell being scum.

fucking hell?

taylor is a better flip than this
noraa is a better flip than this
uno is a better flip than this
even fidget is a better flip than this

when i strongly tr people they usually come up green so pls listen to me.

[shellyc]

She didn’t even mention vax in her iso beside once or twice. Neither time calling them town.

what did taylor do I haven't caught up

[shellyc]

i might have to eat my hat for saying this in a minute, but now that the scroll has been passed to two people i repeatedly said were obvtown and one we all agree is town, maybe we can listen to me when i say people are town?

Who's town

well we killed two obvtowns, but of the remaining:
taylor (me)
murder (you)
mush
adorable
LLD
noraa (pretty confident but its noraa)

and maybe shelly.

not really sure about the lurker slots (gloria, lapsa) or theta. dont even know who fred replaced.

taylor why have you placed me in the "maybe" zone since forever????

oh and also didn't you go on the toog wagon

[shellyc]

toog and vax were not obvtown and I was wrong and I admit that unlike swifty

[shellyc]

fidget, fred, uno, noraa, bell

[shellyc]

*fidget, fred, uno, noraa, taylor

[shellyc]

VOTE: UNOwen

probably this first priority followed by noraa, scroll this pls

[shellyc]

fred is scum based off newb 2025 +1 to that I think.

so. yeah. taylor -> pooky -> noraa gets rid of 2 scum.

[shellyc]

fred sounds really pedantic and really excusey imo

Bell continues to go upwards in my reads, I'll join you on fred if needed

[shellyc]

VOTE: Fredrick

i'll vote anywhere in uno/noraa/fred/taylor. maybe fidget especially if she wants to 1v1 with me.

[shellyc]

fred you're online come here

i consider this to be ellitelling btw

[shellyc]

You know, with 17 players left in this game, I really would appreciate it if everyone only post if they have something meaningful to say. Below is an example of completely inessential conversation that could have been done using the site chat. Please use the site chat for conversations like this. You won't get banned. It's not game related.

Fredrick: complains about no game advancing content
Fredrick again: Doesn't give game advancing content at all

lol
fred order these names from town->scum NOW
fidget
taylor
theta
bell
gloria

[shellyc]

fred you're online come here

i consider this to be ellitelling btw

I don't understand ellitelling.

ellitelling basically is posting elsewhere/being active elsewhere and avoiding this thread

[shellyc]

VOTE: fidget

Challenge Accepted.

fidget -> shelly -> UNO

[shellyc]

if scum!fidget throws it to any other town we can use the 2 days to set up the best scenario S->T->S pass so fidget cant afford to pass anywhere else as scum

[shellyc]

You know, with 17 players left in this game, I really would appreciate it if everyone only post if they have something meaningful to say. Below is an example of completely inessential conversation that could have been done using the site chat. Please use the site chat for conversations like this. You won't get banned. It's not game related.

Fredrick: complains about no game advancing content
Fredrick again: Doesn't give game advancing content at all

lol
fred order these names from town->scum NOW
fidget
taylor
theta
bell
gloria

VOTE: fidget

Challenge Accepted.

fidget -> shelly -> UNO

What happened to your scumread on me?

still exists but uno is like 80% scum and you're 75% still want you to do my ordering tho

[shellyc]

ftr i dont really see fidget/taylor as a scumpair so taylor is prob +townpoints.

[shellyc]

/effortpost

PookyTheMagicalBear - how is this slot ever scum? hyperfocusing on taylor a pretty bad strategy as scum because taylor venges hyposcum!pooky any day. also overall giving me a hugely solvey tone, was the catalyst of the noraa wagon
Tayl0r Swift - tswift/fidget prob not s/s but I'm inclined to sheep pooky a bit here, but taylors posting recently has been pretty lackluster. scum taylor hates bussing so maybe there's a scum!taylor WKing scumbuddy world out there
Gloria Cleary - v/la and gave me some gut townvibes earlier
shellyc - obvtown
Theta Alpine - i think their posting seems really consensus-y and feels like their trying to stay under the radar, in my poe but would probably not be top priority
Bell - I'm pretty torn here, was SR there but has been weakened especially with the flips and the taylor/fred pushing. Would not scroll today probably, I'm confident in sorting there later on
Fredrick A Campbell - really scummy play throughout, being reactive and pedantic, and not really engaging at all
Titus - i think their earlier posting upon rep-in was pretty proactive so townlean for that, waiting on VCA
MURDERCAT - closest thing to town leader we have aorn. town since gamestart
UNOwen - total scumbucket here with no engagement unlike their towngame which was relatively solvey as the game went on, UNO has really dropped off a cliff, top priority today if i wasn't duelling with fidget.
MUSHSHAGANA - will not vote here and is totally playing to their town!meta
Flea The Magician - null, gamestart posting was in a rather good tone but has been under-the-radar for a long time. will reread.
Adorable - haven't seen them post in ages. adora/noraa isn't s/s
Lady Lambdadelta - closest thing to conftown when noraa flips red
Noraa - ehhhh? actually, im reconsidering here given some of the recent posting was high effort and i think town!noraa is higher effort than scum!noraa? will reread but will join noraa wagon anytime
Lapsa - lurker will policy anytime
Fidget - in 1v1 with this slot. probscum given the vax!green flip as well.

[shellyc]

UNOwen - total scumbucket here with no engagement unlike their towngame which was relatively solvey as the game went on, UNO has really dropped off a cliff, top priority today if i wasn't duelling with fidget.

Explain what you mean by this?

i believe I have made myself clear

what do you need me to explain?

[shellyc]

not feeling great today and having a fever so bell our convo will need to be delayed for a bit.

noraas assertiveness is kinda weirding me out again, what makes you think that fidget line is TMI?
fred posting still really bland

[shellyc]

fred why are you saying blatantly obvious things and having no thoughts of your own.

[shellyc]

gloria is probtown by aligning with me when scum cannot afford to bus fred/fidget if they're scum

vote fred I'll join you

[shellyc]

VOTE: Fredrick

round 2

[shellyc]

also i hardclaim JOAT

hint: look at my title

[shellyc]

Not opposed. I’m happy that my reads have been pretty good this game. Only thing with Fidget is that if she flips scum, we could confitown Shelley, since there’s no world ever that those two are linked but yeah Fred is pretty scummy.

gloria when did you start SRing fred? and why are they your backup option instead of fidget being your main?

[shellyc]

well i didnt read the pedits yeah.

why do you think fidget is scummier than fred a few posts earlier and have now changed your mind?

[shellyc]

fidget 4373 feels so lamisty

not sure how much we should trust hopkirk reads tbh

I'm still feeling pretty terrible so will skim/low-effort for the next day or so

[shellyc]

Shelly is exceptionally familiar with Noraa's scumplay. They've been scum together at least twice to my knowledge. And yet, shelly is comically certain that Noraa is scum here. Like, really certain. I don't know if that is still the case, but it was at least a little while ago. Additionally, I have noticed that shelly has absurd confidence in her reads as scum. However, I do figure she probably plays really confidently in general, so that's a weaker point. Also, that reaction to being fakeshot by Vax was unbelievable. I outlined that in a diff post, but essentially, I find it hard to believe shelly (who's been extremely engaged) fell for it when even I (who isn't really) wouldn't have fallen for it

i forgot about the rule and tend to overreact to pressure so eh...

also my SR on noraa has been continually weakened, i spot a town!AI noraa metatell in their recent posting and the trajectories seem pretty well-reasoned, a deviation from the earlier thrown-out reads, which is making me doubt myself.

[shellyc]

pooky!

whats your read on fidget atm? i see you don't even have a read there and havent talked about that slot at all

[shellyc]

ehh

fidget seems to be commenting on the wagon being "heavy town presence" but not jumping on which is weirding me out

[shellyc]

In a scummy way? I'd love to hear some elaboration on how it makes you feel.

yeah

normally i'd assume you jump on a wagon in which your TRs are voting, so fidget seems to be subtly encouraging the wagon for whatever reason while staying off it?
which is a red flag if fred flips town. but if its fred!scum this feels like bussing without even getting cred.

[shellyc]

Thanks, Gloria Cleary. I wouldn't go as far and put Noraa as town just yet, though. I may be biased against this method of determining alignment, but I don't really trust townreading someone over readlists. You have convinced me that the reason for which I am scumreading Noraa is just not a good reason, though, so I am placing Noraa as null.

To add on to my scumread on Tayl0r Swift, I absolutely dislike how Tayl0r Swift defended Noraa so hard (in the first 300 posts of the game) because Tayl0r Swift had no reason to be calling Noraa town. Tayl0r Swift, if you think revealing why you were townreading Noraa would invalidate it as a way to townread Noraa, let me tell you that explaining why you were townreading Noraa would not invalidate it as a way to townread Noraa because whatever reason you were townreading Noraa for, if it is a good reason, it would stay a good reason to townread Noraa. If you disagree with this (the last sentence), explain why you disagree with me.

fred: ok lets sr noraa
gloria: no this is bad
fidget: no this is bad
fred: oh noraa is null

please tell me how this isn't scum fitting reads to the situation

[shellyc]

still exists but uno is like 80% scum and you're 75%

still want you to do my ordering tho

Any reasons?

@Fred, why no comment on Shelley’s ordering request?

I didn't actually understand what that meant.

I interpreted it as she was requesting an ordered readslist on those slots.

I misinterpreted that post as shellyc asking me to order her some food as I misinterpreted the part of this post where she asks me to make this readlist as her own readlist. I'll get to work on it now.

lmao

[shellyc]

This post in itself is highly town indicative, unless you’re a Flavor Leaf or a RadiantCowbells.

how is it town!AI though?

Noraa is extremely confident (think scum!me has been rubbing off actually) as either alignment

[shellyc]

I think there is a good shot fredrick is town and we are being snowed by strong scum players

The fact is Pooky that we had a 40% shot to hit scum yesterday and missed. So I think there's a high chance scum played a role in aiming the shots. Plus it makes sense scum would work hard to have town go T>T>T on day 1 otherwise I think it's fair to say scum is pretty behind. I think Noraa is town. I think toog wagon was town led but scum jumped on quick. And I think scum helped lead the hopkirk scum narrative.

yeah but we were pretty fractured yesterday overall

gamestate isn't a good enough reason to 180

[shellyc]

Also shelly is being really confident. I feel like that says she is scum but I remember last time this happened in wild hunt, she was actually just a JKer that was .... super confident I was scum for ?????? reason.

why do you SR me for something I do in my towngame, Noraa?

[shellyc]

bell we can probably have the in-depth convo about this game once you're online

fred posting feels really narrative-y and seems more like commentating about this game than playing in this game, which is scum!AI

[shellyc]

ok more people are actually seing scum!taylor and the way fred explodes while Taylor doesnt despite having similar amounts of people SRing there doesn't sit right with me at all

I know I led fred and fred is scummy but gamestate wise taylor looks horrible

[shellyc]

fred has hit the brakes and its time for a new wagon to stop town apathy and get scum. fred/taylor kinda makes sense as taylor dislikes bussing and has a TR on fred for a random reason

VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

[shellyc]

im rather sure that {Tswift/UNO/Fredrick/Fidget} contains 2+ scum, not all because taylor/UNO isn't that viable.

[shellyc]

about fred i dont remember look at my iso.

there's a certain obtuseness/ignorance from taylors recent play and that's pretty scummy

[shellyc]

I'd say ... slow down there shelly.

I still don't like your play this game. And I agree with my sleep-deprived caffeine-withdrawing self about Fred's wagon stalling suspiciously early. Check the Noraa wagon stall point at around E-2 with some flickering around E-1 as people get hammer-wary, compare to this Fred wagon stalling at about E-3 with more live scum in the gamestate and FAR less time till stall.

I think I'm approximately 10,000% sure that Fred should remain the focus.

HURT: Fred

happy?
i think we can force taylor to get rid of fred slot if she's town, and scum!Taylor will be much more dangerous to town vs. scum!fred

[shellyc]

I'd say ... slow down there shelly.

lets talk so I know you're not shitpushin'

what do you dislike?

[shellyc]

Lol remember when shelly apparently didn't know about these tags

i use the hurt tag all the time to placeholder vote, even without this mechanic

[shellyc]

i hate freds tone fwiw, a whole bunch of floundering after being tunnelled on bell. I want to jump back on and leash town!fred

4717 sounds scummy imo. "prove it" gives off major caught for the wrong reasons vibes, and instead of having a mindset to prove himself as town, fred is being reactive

VOTE: Fredrick

[shellyc]

Pooky - SL, slot isn't sitting well with me, seems to be mostly shitposting and taunting.

notably scum!pooky sounds more friendly/likeable/etc

where do you think the shitposting is happening? and why is it scummy? policy all spammers is terrible

[shellyc]

Very interesting that there is exactly, I repeat EXACTLY five SRs. This may be a bad way to judge but generally I find that only careful scum will have exactly the number of scum SRs.
I'm not stupid and I've been quite present in the thread. I know very well that pooky is kinda playful here. It's different tho and if you would care to meta dive, you would understand why. Plus if you read my entire paragraph and not just the first sentence, it shows u why exactly but no, Flea is just gonna come charging after me after reading one sentence of my reassessment read. Great. Lovely.
If we are killing a lurker slot first, Flea is the top candidate imo.

noraa the scumhunting god finding scum by their number of SRs! wow

noraa why do you seem to constantly make something and stir up SRs from something that isn't NAI
(I actually told her to do this in my last scumgame with scum!her, can quote from scum pt if needed)

[shellyc]

If I could pass anyone the first scroll right now I'd give it to Pooky. Part of it is that I think Noraa is town, and I am suspicious of people who are SRing the slot still (yes I know that applies to Fred). It feels to me like Pooky has been a little overly defensive in places that stick out too, similar to what I was picking up from LLD. Especially when you see it towards people who Pooky seems to be town reading, it just felt a little off. I think Pooky saying he isn't town reading me is weird, I think town Pooky should be trying to work with me. It doesn't feel like he is really trying to town block at all really. Also, look at his votes.

yeah the votes are changing but how is that scummy in of itself?
also, being overdefensive is totally a personality tell

[shellyc]

I am asking Bell to prove that I am pretending to scum hunt. Asking me to prove myself as town without a case is like asking a suspect to prove their innocence when you have no evidence to convict them.

As for me being reactive, yeah, I am. What is your point?

Postscript: I am working on a post in response to MUSHSHAGANA'S first argument for me being scum in post 3637.

mafia isn't a court trial
i'd expect town!you to be much more proactive than here ftr, especially with a first day T->T->T pass

[shellyc]

murder is weirding me out a bit with the progression on fred. first murder stands up to the push there and then gives in to bell for weak reasoning, can murder pls expand on that trajectory

[shellyc]

How about we go pooky -> me -> fidget?
I wanna take out two SRs of mine in one go.

How about we go pooky -> me -> fidget?
I wanna take out two SRs of mine in one go.

i like this idea. we get a ton of info and are almost guaranteed to hit at least one scum. even if its only one scum, thats the info we need to set up tomorrow.

this sounds pretty scummy and opportunistic imo
pooky -> noraa -> fidget will not work considering noraa is prob!scum and will not pass to fidget

Fixed bbcode error -Hectic

[shellyc]

I think Pooky's disillusionment is real, don't want to scroll him.

I'm going to call Pooky provisional town for revealing the source of the thread-spamming shitposting energy. Fair. This game does sort of suck right now. Don't mistake me for apathetic though, I'm exhausted and sickly and recovering from the 31st.

Tayl0r says the thread comes to life as soon as the focus shifts off of Fred and like ... no. The only difference is Pooky and Bell coming back to life after a while of quiet time. Don't believe me? Tally who posts how much on each page for the past 10 pages. You can extend this as far back as you like to prove my point. We have two hyper-posters and two who can be induced to hyper-post fairly easily (shelly and Noraa), that is all this is. If you call this indicative, Pooky, Bell, Shelly, Noraa are the solve and we just have to find the last one. Which is laughable.

Also, I'd like to remind Tayl0r that I made a rather loud and aggressive request to /reduce the shitposting/ that it is very possible Pooky and Bell were responding to -- since, you know, they were /by far/ the majority of fluff garbage oneliners in the thread and they stopped near dead almost immediately after I started lashing out, which would indeed be suspicious timing if we were looking for people who wanted the other players to be able to enjoy the game instead of scum.


PEDIT: In this game, it seems like players can absolutely sit around with a thumb up their ass all game long and get townreads for nothing. Adorable and Flea have been coasting on near-zero content for ages, and everytime someone pushes them it dies out too fast to matter because they don't respond for 5+ pages if they ever do at all. Sorry, MURDERCAT, I think you're thinking of some other game.

hmmmmm
why do you think pooks is town for spamposting etc? that seems fairly weak reasoning

[shellyc]

I think Pooky's disillusionment is real, don't want to scroll him.

I'm going to call Pooky provisional town for revealing the source of the thread-spamming shitposting energy. Fair. This game does sort of suck right now. Don't mistake me for apathetic though, I'm exhausted and sickly and recovering from the 31st.

Tayl0r says the thread comes to life as soon as the focus shifts off of Fred and like ... no. The only difference is Pooky and Bell coming back to life after a while of quiet time. Don't believe me? Tally who posts how much on each page for the past 10 pages. You can extend this as far back as you like to prove my point. We have two hyper-posters and two who can be induced to hyper-post fairly easily (shelly and Noraa), that is all this is. If you call this indicative, Pooky, Bell, Shelly, Noraa are the solve and we just have to find the last one. Which is laughable.

Also, I'd like to remind Tayl0r that I made a rather loud and aggressive request to /reduce the shitposting/ that it is very possible Pooky and Bell were responding to -- since, you know, they were /by far/ the majority of fluff garbage oneliners in the thread and they stopped near dead almost immediately after I started lashing out, which would indeed be suspicious timing if we were looking for people who wanted the other players to be able to enjoy the game instead of scum.


PEDIT: In this game, it seems like players can absolutely sit around with a thumb up their ass all game long and get townreads for nothing. Adorable and Flea have been coasting on near-zero content for ages, and everytime someone pushes them it dies out too fast to matter because they don't respond for 5+ pages if they ever do at all. Sorry, MURDERCAT, I think you're thinking of some other game.

hmmmmm
why do you think pooks is town for spamposting etc? that seems fairly weak reasoning

didn't mean to quote uno but
ftr this kind of means mush!town if pooky is town and I'm right because scum would be looking to miselim there today

[shellyc]

I am asking Bell to prove that I am pretending to scum hunt. Asking me to prove myself as town without a case is like asking a suspect to prove their innocence when you have no evidence to convict them.

As for me being reactive, yeah, I am. What is your point?

Postscript: I am working on a post in response to MUSHSHAGANA'S first argument for me being scum in post 3637.

mafia isn't a court trial
i'd expect town!you to be much more proactive than here ftr, especially with a first day T->T->T pass

How am I supposed to prove that I am not pretending to scumhunt?

If you want one of these impossible things to prove, prove that you aren't attempting to trap me with this post.

tell me which post contained game advancing content from your iso because you haven't given any.

[shellyc]

Response to MUSHSHAGANA's first argument that I am scum in post 4637:

"So there's the garbage empty push on Noraa. One thing you missed about it is it has no coherent point: it defends Tayl0r townreading Noraa to Noraa then votes Noraa -- like, where's this coming from? What's the angle, where's the destination?"

In this post I intend to show that I wasn't pushing Noraa but was, instead questioning her reads.

I also include new questions to Noraa and seek answers to one of my old, forgotten questions buried under hundreds of posts.

We'll start with my very first posts in this game and go through all the posts in which I push Noraa.

My first post's premise is that there isn't a reason for Noraa to switch her read on Tayl0r Swift to null from a townread when Tayl0r Swift started to townread her for what I saw (and still see) to be believable reasons. I have not made any conclusions from this because I don't know why Noraa was even townreading Tayl0r Swift to begin with, so I don't know if she had good reason to drop the read.

After that, I challenge Noraa's scumread of Adorable. Noraa, get back to me on this.

Presently, as I read Noraa's answer to my first question, I find myself having a problem with the answer. Noraa claims that Tayl0r Swift used the same thing on her twice in a row, stating "Ok and do you think a scum would use the same thing on me two times in a row? yes I'm stupid but I'm not that stupid. Firstly, I would like to know if you, Noraa, think that scum would use the same thing on you two times in a row. Then, I have some follow up questions that I will present once you have answered that question.

I believe that answers the first two of your questions, but for the third, that will need to wait, because I never arrived at the destination and revealing the destination before we arrive there would make the questions completely pointless and reduce my avenues of inquiry.

Postscript: More will come in several hours, as I have some lessons coming up in half an hour.

narrative defense
summarising the game isn't a defense, and pointing out that you did things is useless as scum can fake reads. it's the point that none of these things contribute to the gamestate and further the game or even reach conclusions matter.

[shellyc]

I declare V/LA until 7th November EST

[shellyc]

Noraas fence-sitting is quickly losing townpoints there imo.

if Fred was really town I’d say fidget/Taylor/uno/noraa/flea the magician is the solve.

murder losing townpoints in my book for the "pooky is scum but I'll hop on fred because w/e"

re: MUSH: It makes no sense for scum!me to

pressure vote

(I wasn't trying to start a CW, I was CLEARLY pressuring taylor instead of wanting her to be the first scroll pass) on taylor/fidget while encouraging the fred wagon if fred is red. That's like bussing without getting cred.

[shellyc]

EBWOP
re: MUSH: It makes no sense for scum!me to pressure vote (I wasn't trying to start a CW towards fred, I was CLEARLY pressuring taylor and wanting some votes there to stop town apathy which I thought was present) on taylor/fidget while encouraging the fred wagon if fred is red. That's like bussing without getting cred.

[shellyc]

DGB probtown imo, tone doesnt sound forced and scum!DGB would probably gain info of scrolling in the scum PT and would sound less clueless than atm

[shellyc]

It's ok. We all get it wrong sometimes. I still remember misreading shellyc in that newbie game (Newbie 2025)

There is a rule of thumb for reading me that has been verified and I'm sure many can back this up

if widely TR, scum; if broadly SR, town

[shellyc]

Now I am convinced Adorable is scum.

HURT: Adorable

fred why are you listening to the person that HAMMERED YOU?

do you TR fidget, if so, why?

[shellyc]

Bell I’m ready to have that convo.

@mod retract v/la, irl stuff got cleared up this afternoon.

[shellyc]

im seeing this as the solve aorn probably if town!fred
UNOwen - explained many times how this slot is obvscum
flea - feels like newbscum apathy in many posts, general consensus-y reads, trying to blend in which is really indicative of scum here
theta - has been in my poe since forever
one scum in {Noraa, taylor} - noraa's still pinging my scumdar with the weirdly fence-sitty posts, but taylor continuedly attacking pooky (who i believe to be town) doesn't sit right with me at all + I wanna sheep pooky a bit.
one scum between {adorable, fidget} - I'm not really following the "adorable is scum because they didn't townslip" from fidget. noraa/adora not s/s though.

outside chance of strong scum manipulating us, maybe in murdercat/bell. bell is a high priority reread and my SR there from d1 has been softened but bell leading on fred!town and asking everyone to sheep them seems like absurd confidence.

[shellyc]

gloria can you talk to me about bell? whats your read there?

[shellyc]

Okay, I really like this post, I thought you were defending Tayl0r’s strange push on you which didn’t sit right with me but I think now, I probably just misread you.

what exactly do you think is good/town!AI about that post you quoted? since imo its just quite a regular reads explanation wall

[shellyc]

gloria's recent posting i like - the way gloria goes about poking around is really investigative and solvey

also many of their reads (like flea/taylor) similar to my own which is +town

[shellyc]

why would scumLLD do anything if town is currently self destructing lol.

do you think town is self destructing?

pooky where you at? can you give me a rough solve or something?

[shellyc]

Taylor - TL, randomly defensive, seems to be sticking to guns. Smart enough to not create those specific associative tells imo.
Noraa - SL, can't forgive the over-defensiveness earlier and response to drilled, have considered play since and downgraded.

what do you think about noraa's later play that "downgrades" her? imo noraa's later play is much better than early flailing!noraa

UNOwen - scum. Previous post details this somewhere.
Mush - Town - seems proactive
Lady - Town - want to see more from her, and hope she's well soon <3
Shelly - TL, slot doesn't sit well with me on interactions still but the response to the hurt seemed genuine to me.
MC - Not sure, overconfident in reads.

Do you think overconfidence is completely NAI?

Pooky - SL, slot isn't sitting well with me, seems to be mostly shitposting and taunting.

Consider meta evidence that scum!pooky = less taunty and more lighthearted

Lapsa - SL, What the smeg even is this slot.
Theta - Null Seems rather middle of the road to me.

Middle of the road is how, imo, scum would ideally play here, as all elim'd town are vengeful

Fred - scum. Zden was lean, freds entrance was... well I had to triple check when they came in because it's like they were always here, and its 3 straight in at taylor.
Bell - TL. Reads well to me. Should probably go look at the points made against them at some point.
Fidget - Honestly, haven't been paying attention.
Gloria - See above.
Adorable - Forgot about them

Can you develop a little bit more on these last 4 reads? skim the isos, no matter how weak a read is, it's best to get it out there

[shellyc]

bold was mine. i'd like you to answer these questions. if you fail, prepare to embrace the Shellyc Death Tunnel.

[shellyc]

unowen is scum because:
1. In 298 UNO says his vote against noraa "would lead to good things" which indicates trying to gain credit for earlyvoting noraa, which fits the mentality of scum trying to get cred
2. same post: weird shade on adora for their vote being "not great" while not elaborating or following up on it as far as I know.
3. Lackluster content focusing on me "vibing with adora" which has been explained ten million times yet UNO continues to be obtuse and ignore my explanations. also ignores everything else happening in the thread.
4. 1709 is really fence-sitty and not trying to solve or take a stance at all.

[shellyc]

unowen is scum because:
1. In 298 UNO says his vote against noraa "would lead to good things" which indicates trying to gain credit for earlyvoting noraa, which fits the mentality of scum trying to get cred
2. same post: weird shade on adora for their vote being "not great" while not elaborating or following up on it as far as I know.
3. Lackluster content focusing on me "vibing with adora" which has been explained ten million times yet UNO continues to be obtuse and ignore my explanations. also ignores everything else happening in the thread.
4. 1709 is really fence-sitty and not trying to solve or take a stance at all.

5. low thread presence and often saying obvious things in their posts like "Maybe the scumteam is weak if fred is scum" etc. also not much proactivity and only does things when asked.

[shellyc]

Why do you think Flea The Magician's post is 'general consensus-y'?

Since Theta Alpine is part of your Process of Elimnation, that implies that all players not on this list is townread by you. I would like some reasoning for why they are excluded from your Process of Elimination.

Finally, what you describe as "adorable is scum because they didn't townslip" is definitely not the only evidence brought forth by Fidget in his post regarding the matter.

1. not only one post. tell me one remarkable thing flea has done this game. there's nothing.
2. theta isn't the only person in poe, they're placed lowest. do you want me to towncase everyone else?
3. yeah but its one of the major points there. and imo it's not making a lot of sense.

[shellyc]

Dodged ten million times.

LMAO.

i could do pbpa on flea but its late, maybe tmr?
flea also being reactionary and provided that readslist when asked instead of proactively solving, which is a newbscum trait

[shellyc]

4299 was the third strike, she skipped answering because if she did she would be forced to admit that I was most solvey in endgame and that really can't be compared to the current game state.

i missed it

I was comparing to mini normal 2168

[shellyc]

Bell: conflicted on shelly
also Bell: shellyc is scum

bell what do you think about the flea slot? can you read the iso and tell me what you think

[shellyc]

adora/fidget contains scum. leaning towards fidget atm actually, not sure why they're basically just the "universal scumread". apathy can come from either alignment.

[shellyc]

EBWOP:

adora/fidget contains scum. leaning towards fidget atm actually, not sure why adora's basically just the "universal scumread". apathy can come from either alignment.

noraaa still fence-sitting on adora and saying the compromise will flip town BUT not doing anything to stop it which is scummy

[shellyc]

No, I'm less conflicted now.

Bell when will you stop townreading scum!me and scumreading town!me

[shellyc]

i strongly recommend fred passing taylor tbh, if fred is town.

green!fred establishes red!taylor

[shellyc]

taylor starts off tr'ing there and then retracts the read when the wagon finally gains steam which is opportunism

[shellyc]

Why are so few players talking about how scummy Bell is?

i can get behind a bell!scum case, elaborate on this?

[shellyc]

What makes me think shellyc is scum here is that she suddenly became very confident I was town in the other game. Which means she was either scum in this game or the other. That game ended and she was town in that one. Which means she knew I was town in this game and that carried over to the other game.

I was confident you were town not mainly because of ongoing game reasons.

the ongoing game reason is that I felt like your play here was similar to your play there which indicates same alignment. and you were town in that game. which means you're actually probtown here.

I was certain in that game because the other people in the poe that game were much scummier.

[shellyc]

good afternoon my fellows

Taylor scum with Fred still
shelly/Taylor is clearly not a team and really forced

firstly, I didn't derail the wagon at all, and it has been stated that I basically tried to drive the wagon throughout the day. If I wanted to derail I'd have made a case and asked my TRs to sheep me. I tried to PRESSURE, to shake things up.

secondly, why would I derail scum!fred (who looks worse) into scum!Taylor (who looks better than Fred)

[shellyc]

how are we doing on this fine day

LLD do you seriously think shelly/UNO is a team.

[shellyc]

Also nice WIFOM drop from fred, I think everyone on that list is town and he's just messing with people. Everyone on that list, that I can tell, has at least 2 or 3 people leaning scum on each of them.

nah its prob not all town. there's something called rule of three, when scum gives three (or other reasonable number) names in a solve there should usually be exactly one scum in them

[shellyc]

shellyc

,

Flea The Magician

,

Adorable

and

Gloria Cleary.

GTH colouring

[shellyc]

I'm currently looking at shooting Theta Alpine.

shot hits scum I think, tbh.

Theta's trajectory on Adora is weird in a way that it seems self-aware that the whole adora tunnelling business might lead to perfected overconfidence?

[shellyc]

I'm currently looking at shooting Theta Alpine.

shot hits scum I think, tbh.

Theta's trajectory on Adora is weird in a way that it seems self-aware that the whole adora tunnelling business might lead to perfected overconfidence?

*perceived overconfidence

Noraa feels more well-reasoned in their posting and I think the LLD pass solidifies a Noraa!town world as well so my SR there has been weakened

[shellyc]

really do not think lambdadelta will get here soon enough
or for that matter change her mind if she does get back
so i will abandon my traditional self placement of null since i will flip pretty soon

conf town
toogeloo
hopkirk
vaxkiller
lambdadelta
theta - soon enough

prob town
unowen
pooky
titus

null
noraa
gloria
bell
mush
murdercat
fidget

lean scum
tayl0r
shellyc
flea
lapsa

prob scum
adorable

conf scum
fred

lol that's terrible.

I'm skimming, one more page left. Shelly-Tayl0r impossible due to us having a weird sort of paranoia/trajectory on each other

[shellyc]

Tldr; it shows a total lack of focus and attention where town's focus should be. So, it's probably coming from scum.

this is honestly the first thing that I agree with bell this game

[shellyc]

Really don't see Noraa scum here.
I may be getting some shit for this town read.

can the people who are actually TRing noraa flesh this out

[shellyc]

Wow.

Please explain a newcomer to the game why this warrants a "wow."

Her Top town reads are low info posters who barely posted and Pooky who has made it a point to not care. When there is significant alignment indicative information in regards to Fred's alignment she decided to go with those three who were side shows at best during his elimination. It shows a total failure to comprehend the game, game state or the players in it. I think it's just a wifom death post.

Thanks. I retract my cursory SR of you.

why is narrating the gamestate warranting a pivot on an SR?

[shellyc]

1 hour left, looks like we're scrolling theta.

Can't really believe that readslist comin' from town. Theta!red implies adorbs!green so fidget is Firmly in my Solve. The "Adora Isn't Townslipping" case feels really meta-dominated and weak/retractable.

Bell/MUSH are ICs as above. PoE is currently UNO/Fidget/Tayl0r/Noraa/Flea/DGB. Probably in this order as well.

[shellyc]

I had a dream last night that I shot shelly and she flipped red. Safe to say I'm never letting her out of my sights at this point.

lmao.

I love it when I'm pushed for totally wack reasons

[shellyc]

I'll force myself to have a dream that I shot fidget and she flipped red tmr

UNO!town is pretty much based off weak interactions. fred/UNO/theta is a thing imo.

[shellyc]

Hey that's stealing!

What benefit is there for scum!Theta to make scum!UNOwen a big townread of hers on her deathbed, other than for WIFOM?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9TRMQwMNnY[/youtube]

[shellyc]

do you think scum!theta SRs/nulls all their teammates?

[shellyc]

Seems like I'm dying. I wouldnt be surprised if that was the hammer, and I'll kindly ask everyone to provide scroll preferences probably -> we HAVE to hit scum and I don't have 100% trust in my reads given scum just got another easy miselim.

As requested: (ordered btw)
TOWN-ZONE
shellyc
MUSHSHAGANA
MURDERCAT
Bell
PookyTheMagicalBear
Gloria Cleary
Titus

NULL-ZONE
Dripping Goofball
Adorable

4 scum in:
Tayl0r Swift
UNOwen
Flea The Magician
Noraa
Fidget

[shellyc]

why would I ever scroll pooky who is towntelling so hard, and I trust you guys to sort out t-swift so.

we cant do S-T-S today. im prob just hitting my biggest SR UNO at this point.

[shellyc]

Well Shelly,
It’s your show now.
Were you scum? Or are you going to do a song and dance.
I’m still mad at friend for lying to me.

I was obviously town-

planning to hit uno

[shellyc]

the radio silence indicates scum IMO

1. after that post I DID NOT post anywhere else on site
2. I have work

im town

[shellyc]

HURT: Fidget

[shellyc]

also what's the UTR on Noraa now, have we all forgotten noraas manipulation and scumminess

I kind of want to throw the scroll at Noraa but if im wrong that would be disaster

[shellyc]

Throw it at Titus.
And don't do this hurt stuff.
Be brave and look cool.

can we be reminded on why Titus is scum

[shellyc]

Noraa why shouldn’t I scroll you

[shellyc]

I have a spicy take

DGB can you give me your full reads list

[shellyc]

I dont want to reply to this post. If you are town and end up giving me the scroll, I believe I have the legal right to call you a dumb dumb once postgame.

noraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

hello. there's a scumtell called ignorance. ignorance to my questions and lack of effort in proving themselves town.

[shellyc]

can i hurt more than one person at the same time

[shellyc]

If thou must. Noraa is town because of how Fred approached her.

Eh...

scum theatre exists
I feel like gamestate wise noraa is townie but their posting is really lackluster imo

[shellyc]

I dont want to reply to this post. If you are town and end up giving me the scroll, I believe I have the legal right to call you a dumb dumb once postgame.

noraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

hello. there's a scumtell called ignorance. ignorance to my questions and lack of effort in proving themselves town.

Are you seriously kidding me?

You have to know Fred put her in harms way, so how is town!you not processing this?

noraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

this by itself is highly scum indicative. You did this in roses and so many bats.
ur scum and I take pride in getting taken down by scums cuz nk'ed townies are the ones that play the best(imo )

how is that scum!AI omgusser

[shellyc]

noraa is a puzzle of a slot

gamestate wise this looks good with those fred interactions
posting is bad

[shellyc]

HURT: Noraa

[shellyc]

if ur scum, take me with you and whisper in my ear who ur buddy is.

my buddies are mush bell murder

[shellyc]

That's not all, folks!

[shellyc]

if ur town, god shelly why?

cause you scum

[shellyc]

if ur town, god shelly why?

cause you scum

You spelled “I’m” wrong,

I don't think I did.

[shellyc]

I am claiming Informed Townie, Noraa is scum

[shellyc]

Everyone is either town or scum, there are no informed anything.

I hacked into hectics mod pt and found the scumteam was murder, mush, bell, noraa and fred

[shellyc]

Nice troll. Now you’re just open wolfing.

nah mark my words

[shellyc]

Scum!Shelley wants to kill IC!Noraa and try to wifom paranoia us.

uhh

Town!Shelly wants to kill Scum!Noraa and Scum!Fidget

[shellyc]

How stupid do you think we are? First of all, that is bs, second, you’d 100% be modkilled if it were.

Oh does sarcasm not travel across the internet

[shellyc]

I claim scum

that disqualifies me gloria

[shellyc]

pagetop

[shellyc]

well that sucks

im obviously trolling

[shellyc]

i was still town and noraa is still scum

[shellyc]

shitposting so i get more posts than murder

[shellyc]

Shelley has made this game the most fun this game has ever been so far, irrespective of alignment.

that's what I strive for

[shellyc]

I'm not scum, I'm just bulletproof miller vigi, no voterino

[shellyc]

VOTE: shelly i shot her and she died so i happen to know she isnt bulletproof

You scumclaimer, take your dayvig gun away from me!

[shellyc]

HURT: Murder[/h]

good luck and have fun

[shellyc]

that was not intended to be a hurt tag and was a joke for clarity

[shellyc]

Pagetop

[shellyc]

is that not pagetop I hate you mafiascum

[shellyc]

HURT: MUSHAGANA

[shellyc]

In other news, haha I knew it

Nah MUSH is scum
1. their posting is very shadey
2. long posts = scum

[shellyc]

fidget stop scumslipping

[shellyc]

DGB/Noraa/Titus is my semi-serious solve

[shellyc]

Whats your serious solve?

murder/mush/bell/noraa

[shellyc]

murder/mush/bell/noraa

murder: murderer = scum, there's no way someone that kills cant be scum!
mush: wallposter = scum, works a charm
bell: funeral bells = scum, bells also indicate danger, scum are dangerous
noraa: the one and only scum-rolling expert

[shellyc]

My Leenes' Bell reference was funnier. 1/10.

I'll try harder later

[shellyc]

shitposting continues

one of the core tenets of my play is "spam so much nobody can keep up"

[shellyc]

you're dead so no advice for you

advice for retaking fourth in the activity overview

[shellyc]

Scroll: MUSH

There is no real ending. It's just the place where you stop the story.

[shellyc]

shellyc

is the

scroll bearer!

They now have 2 days to pick a player they'd like to pass the scroll to, using a VOTE:

I'll allow placeholder votes using the HURT: tags in the event the player is afraid they'll forget to pass it on. The person it's passed to will simply default to the placeholder they've put down earlier.
If no placeholder vote was used, I'll pick the last living/non-cursed player the scroll bearer has voted in the game to receive the scroll.
If the above is not applicable, I'll allow mafia to pick.

Timer: (expired on 2020-11-13 19:23:46)

VOTE: MUSH

[shellyc]

I'm not falling for it

[shellyc]

give me an oscar for it

[shellyc]

spamposting

[shellyc]

Pooky/Shelly/Toogeloo/Vaxkiller/Lapsa

0/5

[shellyc]

i think i did at least as much to kill shelly. gimme townpoints too?

don't ask pooky for points or scores, I'm in charge of the Forum Mafia Academy

[shellyc]

but can you give a gun-to-head readlist?

my GTH readslist:

Town
PookyTheMagicalBear
Tayl0r Swift
Gloria Cleary
shellyc
Bell
Titus
MURDERCAT
UNOwen
MUSHSHAGANA
Flea The Magician
Adorable
Noraa
Dripping Goofball
Fidget

Scum
Hectic

hectic is the informed minority - he knows the alignment of everyone and has a Factional Modkill.

[shellyc]

because it could be a well played bus between all 3 of you, scum have daytalk after all so something like that isn't hard to coordinate.

get on the bus, Goodfellas!

[shellyc]

The majority governs, but the minority rules.

[shellyc]

DGB/Noraa/Titus is my semi-serious solve

trust my reads and ignore queen mush

[shellyc]

Look, the exact reason I want town's POE to be ABSOLUTELY BULLETPROOF!

I'm a strongman though.

[shellyc]

I will be nomming this game for Game of the Year - all of it was beautiful especially the finale

gg town! not my finest game, despite scum self-destructing in midgame noraa really gave it her all. noraa-shelly is destined to lose games hmmm

[shellyc]

Do you make your quotes by hand shelly? How did that happen?

i dont

so noraa told me to post that post about taylor
i took the quotes but forgot to remove the scum pt quote layer