Epilogue! - [Endgame]

[OkaPoka]

i

simulatenously

want us to move faster with wagons

U know what would help with this? Voting hectic-Shelly

it would be a terrible shame if we ended this dayphase without maria posting her promised notes and bell getting away with making zero votes and zero opinions on any wagon

We have four people who straight up aren't going to vote for anybody, so that makes it significantly harder to end the day

as a person who loves fast games - it pains me to wait but waiting is the correct choice

i want maria notes and i want bell to do thing, unless hectic-shelly is scum/scum this day will be a failure without those two things

[OkaPoka]

its the accent

[OkaPoka]

Are you upset with me @isis

A bit yes

I figured. I really am sorry. It wasn’t intentional

I don’t know if there’s anything I can really /do/ at this point but if there is you can tell me

remove the words obvtown and locktown from thy dictionary

[OkaPoka]

keep going shelly i am interested in what else you have to say

[OkaPoka]

mama isis ^_^

[OkaPoka]

are you willing to kill taylor-bell to save your own pairing?

[OkaPoka]

how can you still have so much confidence in bell after bell has thoroughly disappeared into the abyss with only echoes coming out

[OkaPoka]

then what is your ultimate solve and how are you going to get us to get there

[OkaPoka]

AKARIN? run that one down for me

[OkaPoka]

this game is incredibly hard, anyone know if shelly is the type of player to dance with someone for fun

[OkaPoka]

this game is incredibly hard, anyone know if shelly is the type of player to dance with someone for fun

shelly is super tryhard isn't she?

this game is the first ive heard of shelly and her entrance to the game gave me that try-hard esque vibes so whenever your first impressions are undermined, you become thoroughly rattled

[OkaPoka]

ban all pts

[OkaPoka]

do me a favor and make this entertaining... i am spamming f5

[OkaPoka]

i too am confused about why bell is being read by certain people because right now the best explanation is too scummy to be scum which is uh lmao

[OkaPoka]

being town read*****

[OkaPoka]

shellyc's argument is too scummy to be scum

if people townread me for too scummy to be scum i will be very sad, i was hoping it was because im a charming lad

[OkaPoka]

oww

[OkaPoka]

the bulge more like the harbinger

[OkaPoka]

lol read my most recent town game and tell me I'm a good town teamplayer. I won't judge for going against the crowd.

it's just I think you might be scum tho

i will like you if you say im scum because im too townie to be town

[OkaPoka]

maria won't leave

she has a green name so she must lead by example of being a model ms.net citizen

anyways bulge gimme gimme some of your thoughts as you catchup

[OkaPoka]

oh or is it that we're not supposed to talk about beeby?

yes

[OkaPoka]

yes

[OkaPoka]

yes

[OkaPoka]

akarin has dunn said anything to you in the pt

[OkaPoka]

whatchu guys talking about

[OkaPoka]

next time eyepatches in main thread ok? we all wants

[OkaPoka]

bell not playing = probably scum
taylor was aalready plaaying scummy..

Why we keeping this pair around

hope

[OkaPoka]

LMAO WHAT

[OkaPoka]

can we ban pts

[OkaPoka]

so like can I get a tl;dr of this game because the last couple times I have repped into FG games I've either drifted away due to not understanding the situation (one of the guns and roses games) or had to employ alternate tactics to get somewhat current with the game events (the last iteration of this series)

first can you go into your pt and tell us what bell has posted so far

[OkaPoka]

no but i’m going to make a more active effort to ramble here

if i can cite mama isis' precedence will you stop pt posting

[OkaPoka]

oh yeah and we all got in a circle and promised that we will not post in the pt ever and never suicide

breaking the law will result in immediate termination

[OkaPoka]

So looking at how people who were off wagon acted around it:

Oka

is by far the

least

suspicious. He calls the wagon lame, votes Maria. Argues a bunch that we should flip other people first. He

does

call them inevitable, but also calls the wagon semi-policy and actually argues with both Shelly and FB that they should be voting Oka-FB instead of DGB-DD. He doesn't like DGB's reentrance or Dunn push and thought it was weird people were townleaning her for it. Oka scumread it. But then doesn't like the "caught for the wrong reasons" suggestion from Ydrasse and isn't sure what makes sense in DGB-scum world. He sheeps Isis onto Shelly, implies it's a pressure vote, then gives Drew a deadline but suggests hammering anyway. Firebringer beats him to it.

Deleuze

doesn’t look too bad. He fought with DGB about her scumread of him, first being unjustified and then the case itself. I thought DGB was being ridiculous here too, it doesn't feel like shading. He defended Drew about the signup thing, actually saying it made him

more

towny. For a bit he wasn't sure if DGB was scum and kind of soft defended her. Thought Drew's be back later post was scummy. He wanted to flip either DGB-DD or Oka-FB but hadn't voted yet, and at this point thought DGB and Oka were both townish, just not their partners. The DGB town read strengthens and Deleuze doesn't like the wagon or the way it seems pre-determined. But thinks Drew is scummy. His first vote of the day is to sheep Isis & Oka onto Shelly-Hectic, then he votes Drew 1 minute after Firebringer hammered.

Both

Bell

and

Bulge

did post a decent amount while the wagon was a thing, neither mentioned it at all.

Taylor

actually has the worst interactions with the DGB/DD wagon if we're looking off-wagon: She voted DGB-DD at the start of the day, right after Dunn. Shelly follows her onto the wagon, a wild FB appears and votes Maria, then Taylor moves her vote to FB. (Oka was also on Maria-Bulge.)

Taylor says this

dgb why are you so confident drew is town? because as i see it youre defending yourself/being aggressive, but most people suspect drew and youre pseudo-defending him without really mentioning him

then DGB says she isn't confident Drew is town but wants time to read him. At which point Taylor follows DGB onto Deleuze. She pushes Deleuze a bit more that afternoon, says it's not a meme and she does scumread him. Doesn't want to talk about the reasons but encourages other people to join her on Deleuze. Suggests it's a DGB,Maria,Delueze team after DGB votes Dunn.

i really like these posts as a tl;dr for the dgb/dd wagon mainly because im town

[OkaPoka]

click on activity overview and tell me how many posts are bell

[OkaPoka]

very important i get some numbers

need # posts from gamma and # posts from bell

for uhh my machine learning algorithm

[OkaPoka]

i guess it would be # from the artist formerly known as taylor as well

[OkaPoka]

sure

[OkaPoka]

the absolute what

what is he talking about in there

[OkaPoka]

bro im like 99% bell has posted more in pt than in dance 1 what the fuck is he talking about in pt i need a time - linear rundown please

[OkaPoka]

it is insane considering bell has made less than 30 posts in dance 1 - and im like 90% sure none of us can remember what he's posted about other than he's busy - and at minimum he has made what, 40 posts in PT? what is he talking about in there

[OkaPoka]

ill make a catchup post for you gamma

[OkaPoka]

Predance:

We've had four "lol-proposals"

deleuzional - Ydrasse
DrippingGoofball - Doctor Drew
MariaR - The Bulge
OkaPoka - Firebringer

All happened in a few hours with like no communication.

Beeboy-Isis (IC pairing), beeboy has gone afk and is just leashing vote to Isis for dance 1.

Dunn-Akarin was probably the most natural pairing.

Then we had a bit of fuckery where taylor wanted to pair with hectic, and shelly ends up quickly sniping hectic and letting taylor pick the final pair, she did suggest taylor kill pooky which ended up happening and pooky was scum.

Dance 1:

basically dgb/dd gets pushed off the start since they lolpaired and went afk. mainly pushed by dunn and mariaR.

So looking at how people who were off wagon acted around it:

Oka

is by far the

least

suspicious. He calls the wagon lame, votes Maria. Argues a bunch that we should flip other people first. He

does

call them inevitable, but also calls the wagon semi-policy and actually argues with both Shelly and FB that they should be voting Oka-FB instead of DGB-DD. He doesn't like DGB's reentrance or Dunn push and thought it was weird people were townleaning her for it. Oka scumread it. But then doesn't like the "caught for the wrong reasons" suggestion from Ydrasse and isn't sure what makes sense in DGB-scum world. He sheeps Isis onto Shelly, implies it's a pressure vote, then gives Drew a deadline but suggests hammering anyway. Firebringer beats him to it.

Deleuze

doesn’t look too bad. He fought with DGB about her scumread of him, first being unjustified and then the case itself. I thought DGB was being ridiculous here too, it doesn't feel like shading. He defended Drew about the signup thing, actually saying it made him

more

towny. For a bit he wasn't sure if DGB was scum and kind of soft defended her. Thought Drew's be back later post was scummy. He wanted to flip either DGB-DD or Oka-FB but hadn't voted yet, and at this point thought DGB and Oka were both townish, just not their partners. The DGB town read strengthens and Deleuze doesn't like the wagon or the way it seems pre-determined. But thinks Drew is scummy. His first vote of the day is to sheep Isis & Oka onto Shelly-Hectic, then he votes Drew 1 minute after Firebringer hammered.

Both

Bell

and

Bulge

did post a decent amount while the wagon was a thing, neither mentioned it at all.

Taylor

actually has the worst interactions with the DGB/DD wagon if we're looking off-wagon: She voted DGB-DD at the start of the day, right after Dunn. Shelly follows her onto the wagon, a wild FB appears and votes Maria, then Taylor moves her vote to FB. (Oka was also on Maria-Bulge.)

Taylor says this

dgb why are you so confident drew is town? because as i see it youre defending yourself/being aggressive, but most people suspect drew and youre pseudo-defending him without really mentioning him

then DGB says she isn't confident Drew is town but wants time to read him. At which point Taylor follows DGB onto Deleuze. She pushes Deleuze a bit more that afternoon, says it's not a meme and she does scumread him. Doesn't want to talk about the reasons but encourages other people to join her on Deleuze. Suggests it's a DGB,Maria,Delueze team after DGB votes Dunn.

i really like these posts as a tl;dr for the dgb/dd wagon mainly because im town

is a summary of some off wagon stuff if you want to click around.

it happened all in 36 hours fwiw, some weirdness may be fire hammering when edged on by maria (and fire SRs maria). dd never really posted. dgb basically said dunn is scum and dipped.


should take you up to here:

VoteCount 1.5

deleuzional - Ydrasse [0] -
MariaR - The Bulge [0] -
OkaPoka - Firebringer [0] -
beeboy - Isis [0] -
Dunnstral - Akarin [0] -
Hectic - shellyc [0] -
Bell - Tayl0r Swift [0] -

Not Voting [14]

- deleuzional, Hectic, MariaR, Dunnstral, Bell, beeboy, OkaPoka, Isis, Tayl0r Swift, Akarin, The Bulge, Ydrasse, shellyc, Firebringer

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to execute

.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-11-26 02:40:05)

[OkaPoka]

anyways the last 40 pages (after the vc i linked) are probably the most interesting part of the game.

other stuff to consider could be end of predance but ehh, 40 pages is enough reading material gl

[OkaPoka]

we are not talking about beeboy until post intermission

[OkaPoka]

well i await for your contributions to this thread

anyways how did taylor feel about this playerlist while gamma catches up

[OkaPoka]

oh uh... no i don’t feel ignored or anything on that front? like if i started posting more here people would interact with me and not ice me out. it’s more a matter of i need to do it here more.

Oh, well that's good at least!

I'm trying to come up with something to ask you but I'm unbelievably tired and can't sleep.

I think you have a nice eyepatch.

thank you very much, and i get it because i’m in bed supposedly trying to sleep. yours is pretty cool too!

fwiw i feel... better about my current vote than i did when i had it on maria/bulge but i’m not certain about much this game. depending on how the hectic/shelly pair respond i might change this, i’m amenable right now to voting off firebringer’s pair just because i like... idk, bad vibes? an absence of a townread?

i’m a little unsure of you and your pair in the present, dunn’s effort though is like... i’m so unused to it i’m still floundering and leaning a tiny bit town and in general while i wouldn’t feel Great about you two endgaming i feel better about you two and like, doubly so if there’s a red flip in hectic/shelly .

that’s about where i’m at right now.

oh so you're town?

name every read

[OkaPoka]

gamma catches up

Not happening. I'm going Pine mode.

did u at least read my catchup post for u

[OkaPoka]

gamma can we just yoink you and bell tbh

what is bell talking about in that sekrit pt of yours

[OkaPoka]

gamma when was the last dance game that you scumread your partner

[OkaPoka]

anyways gamma can you gimme a rundown on what bell has posted

[OkaPoka]

Oka when was the last time you looked at Firebringer and thought you should be allowed to live.

ahhh to be in a game where somebody hasn't read the game

[OkaPoka]

although that does bring up the question: how do you know firebringer should die if you haven't read the game yet lmao

[OkaPoka]

I NEED FAVOR GAMMA

WHAT DID BELL SAY/DID YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT FIREBRINGER IN THAT PT

[OkaPoka]

gamma when was the last dance game that you scumread your partner

probably the first one I played?

ok you know that we partnered in starry night and you were like the only one who townread me right? sometimes it really do be like that anyways i need that favor

also bell i had a whole segment of begging for my own death but currently i am under the chilling effect

[OkaPoka]

oka stfu and let me answer this shit in my own time

gamma two people are on death row! your testimony can effectively clear them of their guilt! do you want their blood on your hands

[OkaPoka]

look gamma i think your probably town by like im saying bell might be scum and i don't really care if you think he is town or scum because we are all biased towards thinking our partners are town, id just like a rundown on his pt please and thank you lets not repeat gay dance where mysteriously everyone was clearing their partners because the pt was so fantastic except the t-t pairs

[OkaPoka]

look gamma i think your probably town by like im saying bell might be scum and i don't really care if you think he is town or scum because we are all biased towards thinking our partners are town, id just like a rundown on his pt please and thank you lets not repeat gay dance where mysteriously everyone was clearing their partners because the pt was so fantastic except the t-t pairs

like you remember gay dance right?

day 2, chennis - bingle and you - nim were clearing each other using pt

meanwhile every single t-t pairing just yeeted themselves out because paranoia lmao

even though chennis and nim probably really should've died earlier, by virtue of pt clearing each other, it didn't happen

hell we got to final 3 pairings

me - fire, you - nim, chennis -bingle and fire yeets himself out (last t-t) because of the pt

so uhh moral of the story is pt sucks, we really shouldn't care about what someone thinks about someone else because of pt, but having what bell said in the pt would be nice for everyone to make an informed decision rather than trusting you that bell is good

our starry night pt was 62.5% scum to town which isn't that diff considering size

pops - unwnd (scum vs t) was 44 - 42 which is 51.1%

[OkaPoka]

rob - creature was 62.5% (16 posts!!!!)

i mean that should just refute it right?

pops-unwnd alone should indicate to you that maybe no

and gay dance should indicate to you that maybe scum just are better at using the pts to pocket?

[OkaPoka]

gimme the content gamma

gimme gimme

[OkaPoka]

(i want to know what bell is posting about)

[OkaPoka]

so uhh moral of the story is pt sucks

stop being wrong in the middle of making good points

ok moral of the story is PT sucks for town but is incredibly good to win if you are scum, in fact when was the last time someone used the PT to come to the conclusion that their partner was scum? I can list a few examples where town cleared scum with the pt or where town false guiltied town because of the pt

[OkaPoka]

I'm sorry that you're not good at town hunting oka.

is true but the evidence points to town in general are <<<rand at town hunting using PT, and so why should i trust any of you to make that judgement call that yes, you are right, despite what is posted in thread, the PT is what clears your partner.

[OkaPoka]

and though technically it is not catastrophic to be wrong on your partner atm, it can very much be catastrophic if you make final pairings. anyways the point is please, don't be a hero and think you gain some advantage with the PTs as town.

see fire is a primary source of when a T-T PT goes wrong. i tried to gambit fire and he left me as a result. other T-T pairs left because of paranoia, but what stays strong is the scum that knows that all he gots to do is pocket their town buddy. and look, its not too hard, just post a lot, make opinions, seem vulnerable, and make an effort and people will townread you for it in the pt.

[OkaPoka]

oka, have u been reading alot of hindu stories or something

no i used wikipedia and looked up some deities

[OkaPoka]

what the fuck fire you left a dance as scum?

[OkaPoka]

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=72677&start=2250

what is this fire what do i see

[OkaPoka]

bro reading these pts are giving me more evidence that pts are a trap for town

[OkaPoka]

oh my god are PTs worse than suicides?

[OkaPoka]

i mean i could see the argument for a suicide, its deadlines and those matter for d2. but like holy trap

[OkaPoka]

i mean scum pocketing town isn't even the biggest worry i have now, and this is coming from someone who lost because scum pocketed town in a pt

the trap is by virtue of time, town - town PTs are more likely to up in flames, and town - scum PTs remain relatively whatever.

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: bell - gamma

going to park here, want to see hectic catchup, bell to do whatever, and maria notes before game goes forward

[OkaPoka]

although i suppose the idea that teammates wouldn't cannibalize each other isn't a thing in actuality

[OkaPoka]

actually

fuck it

VOTE: hectic - shelly

its like e-1 or some shit

maria you better post your notes im doing this as a gesture of good faith

[OkaPoka]

i still maintain it fucking sucks we flipped dgb - dd first because we can't consensus on who to send to endgame without a T-T pairing getting intermission'd

dgb - dd didn't really change peoples opinions on anything so yeah adsfasd why did we do it first lol idk maybe its a good thing we can't consensus on some pairings to go endgame before phase 2

[OkaPoka]

mariaR can you make a note that when you post your notes you talk about dunn - akarin? that pairing is exceptionally important.

[OkaPoka]

hectic me voting you actually raises your chance of living interestingly enough so please fight this one out

[OkaPoka]

Thats good keep going

Thoughts on rest of playerlist

I am sleep so take your time

[OkaPoka]

Oh wait would Pooky had had to have taken away scum!Bell's partner?
I think I didn't get it before

YEP

[OkaPoka]

you see hectic my vote signaled the end of your end and rebirth

i have saved you from doom and given you a new life

you owe it to me to become the try hardiest of try hards

[OkaPoka]

UNVOTE:

still back to the other two choices argh

[OkaPoka]

If the game runs out of time and at least one Mafia is still alive, then Mafia wins.
First dance will end if there are 12 players or fewer left alive or deadline is reached. During the intermission, Mafia may secretly force one of the dance pairs to leave. Second dance will then begin, and continue until the game's end.

What does this have to do with whether despair-leaving is a good idea or not?

i have no idea what they are talking about tbh, im p sure these rules have always been there

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: gamma - bell

aghhhhh

reading pooky's iso, maybe pooky was being honest?

I am green but it doesn't matter because Bell is much more universally town-read.

You pick me and we probably do not live very long.

Pooky probably
a) didn't want to play doomed scum
but
b) maybe didn't want to doom a taylor-bell pairing that could be sent further? now why he would want taylor-bell to go further... means scum is in that pairing right? I mean pooky must've known he would've led to his pairing dying since Isis wanted to kill him in predance. hmmph

[OkaPoka]

by the end i had to tell him to ask people out instead of moping post - Isis rejection

[OkaPoka]

i don't see how pooky being charming explains why he became apathetic

he's talking to me, how i wanted bell to die pre dance

[OkaPoka]

pooky you need to start proposing or the bus is going to leave without you

that's probably true.

pooky i will be very mad at you if you do not get a little dancing partner

Pooky, i think you should ask taylor

Taylor, May I have This Dance?

I don't want Pooky to dance with taylor, taylor is too townie for him

[OkaPoka]

No, I mean that I don't know why you didn't think it was off that Pooky wasn't going big scale charming on Isis. Rather than just, "meh, pair with me Isis I really wanna"
If he had he wouldn't be dead RN probably or at least some other lady would have seen the depths of his love for others and been charmed into accepting him instead.

ive never played with before

only thing i know about pooky is the ancient lore of pooky promises

[OkaPoka]

like for real reading through pooky's iso there is a definite turn from meme-y to the diary of a depressed widow in 18th century england

[OkaPoka]

You really are town aren't you.
You seem so flawless this game that it kind of bothers me lol. It's easily verifiable that you haven't played with him, that's a hell of coincidence given his activity on site.

this is my first game in a few months so that's probably why

and my time of signing up for multiple games at once was like a year or two ago, and i don't think pooky was on site then.

[OkaPoka]

i mean pooky was kinda charming until isis was like lol no and then he became an object of pity

[OkaPoka]

fire u know if you start townspewing right now maybe we can be the pair that dies in intermission

which would be incredible considering... u know

[OkaPoka]

all im saying is marathon weekend in in 3 days so we should wait 3 days to execute : )

[OkaPoka]

as fun as it is to argue about theory, i just want to jump in here and ask for a full readslist from you bell

[OkaPoka]

as fun as it is to argue about theory, i just want to jump in here and ask for a full readslist from you bell

Who are you and what have you done with OkaPoka?

i dont argue theory i only spit facts

[OkaPoka]

where is ydrasse

[OkaPoka]

fire whats ur read on maria and bulge and gamma and bell atm

[OkaPoka]

when did u start leaning on dunny

[OkaPoka]

the only major downside of not executing is the time constraint where me might need to chain suicide and well that does favor scum

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: mariar - bulge

[OkaPoka]

is it because I scumclaimed?

no

[OkaPoka]

good evening

Predance:

We've had four "lol-proposals"

deleuzional - Ydrasse
DrippingGoofball - Doctor Drew
MariaR - The Bulge
OkaPoka - Firebringer

All happened in a few hours with like no communication.

Beeboy-Isis (IC pairing), beeboy has gone afk and is just leashing vote to Isis for dance 1.

Dunn-Akarin was probably the most natural pairing.

Then we had a bit of fuckery where taylor wanted to pair with hectic, and shelly ends up quickly sniping hectic and letting taylor pick the final pair, she did suggest taylor kill pooky which ended up happening and pooky was scum.

Dance 1:

basically dgb/dd gets pushed off the start since they lolpaired and went afk. mainly pushed by dunn and mariaR.

So looking at how people who were off wagon acted around it:

Oka

is by far the

least

suspicious. He calls the wagon lame, votes Maria. Argues a bunch that we should flip other people first. He

does

call them inevitable, but also calls the wagon semi-policy and actually argues with both Shelly and FB that they should be voting Oka-FB instead of DGB-DD. He doesn't like DGB's reentrance or Dunn push and thought it was weird people were townleaning her for it. Oka scumread it. But then doesn't like the "caught for the wrong reasons" suggestion from Ydrasse and isn't sure what makes sense in DGB-scum world. He sheeps Isis onto Shelly, implies it's a pressure vote, then gives Drew a deadline but suggests hammering anyway. Firebringer beats him to it.

Deleuze

doesn’t look too bad. He fought with DGB about her scumread of him, first being unjustified and then the case itself. I thought DGB was being ridiculous here too, it doesn't feel like shading. He defended Drew about the signup thing, actually saying it made him

more

towny. For a bit he wasn't sure if DGB was scum and kind of soft defended her. Thought Drew's be back later post was scummy. He wanted to flip either DGB-DD or Oka-FB but hadn't voted yet, and at this point thought DGB and Oka were both townish, just not their partners. The DGB town read strengthens and Deleuze doesn't like the wagon or the way it seems pre-determined. But thinks Drew is scummy. His first vote of the day is to sheep Isis & Oka onto Shelly-Hectic, then he votes Drew 1 minute after Firebringer hammered.

Both

Bell

and

Bulge

did post a decent amount while the wagon was a thing, neither mentioned it at all.

Taylor

actually has the worst interactions with the DGB/DD wagon if we're looking off-wagon: She voted DGB-DD at the start of the day, right after Dunn. Shelly follows her onto the wagon, a wild FB appears and votes Maria, then Taylor moves her vote to FB. (Oka was also on Maria-Bulge.)

Taylor says this

dgb why are you so confident drew is town? because as i see it youre defending yourself/being aggressive, but most people suspect drew and youre pseudo-defending him without really mentioning him

then DGB says she isn't confident Drew is town but wants time to read him. At which point Taylor follows DGB onto Deleuze. She pushes Deleuze a bit more that afternoon, says it's not a meme and she does scumread him. Doesn't want to talk about the reasons but encourages other people to join her on Deleuze. Suggests it's a DGB,Maria,Delueze team after DGB votes Dunn.

i really like these posts as a tl;dr for the dgb/dd wagon mainly because im town

is a summary of some off wagon stuff if you want to click around.

it happened all in 36 hours fwiw, some weirdness may be fire hammering when edged on by maria (and fire SRs maria). dd never really posted. dgb basically said dunn is scum and dipped.


should take you up to here:

VoteCount 1.5

deleuzional - Ydrasse [0] -
MariaR - The Bulge [0] -
OkaPoka - Firebringer [0] -
beeboy - Isis [0] -
Dunnstral - Akarin [0] -
Hectic - shellyc [0] -
Bell - Tayl0r Swift [0] -

Not Voting [14]

- deleuzional, Hectic, MariaR, Dunnstral, Bell, beeboy, OkaPoka, Isis, Tayl0r Swift, Akarin, The Bulge, Ydrasse, shellyc, Firebringer

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to execute

.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-11-26 02:40:05)

here is something for you to speed up the catchup

[OkaPoka]

lots of who you don't, how about who you do

[OkaPoka]

fire when did you swap maria and dunn

[OkaPoka]

fire when did you swap maria and dunn

not long after dgb flip

question 2. why does dgb flip swap maria and dunn

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fire when did you swap maria and dunn

not long after dgb flip

question 2. why does dgb flip swap maria and dunn

more about how dunn reacted after it

elaborate please

links would be nice i do need some reading material

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akarin's posts resonates too much with me... have i been inception pocketed or is it possible that i could be on the same wavelength

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chemist

maria/bulge or bell/gamma

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BEEBOY NOT VOTING WITH ISIS? BEEBOY BREAKING THE LAW? RYZE DOINB HACK 400 CS?

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I love oka so much ngl.

ill be so sad if we cant get the legendary beeboy experience this game

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how much have you read?

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whatchu guys talking about in that pt

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and hugely relevant, what was hectic posting early on in that pt

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i mean what were they i need details its very important

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Go back and check its right there

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It cant hurt to talk about hectics pt posts, we want details into his mind and lots

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Go chronologically tyvm

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okay let's see

-townread on taylor for pooky interactions
-slight scumread/tinfoil on leuz
-disliked dunn trying to link him to DGB - this is something that sticks out as towny (for dunn) to me if it's accurate since dunn probably doesn't do that to two townies if he's scum
-So1D didn't like oka+fb/maria+bulge/dgb+dd
-townreads on ydrasse/bell for pooky interactions
-meta scumread on FB for lack of WIM
-concern about leuz reads on his pair

thats about it other than some stuff that he either didn't want to mention or i didn't think was worth mentioning

ok ill be honest i didn't really care about this specifically i just wanted you to pay attention to his posts

the more important question is, if you were given hectic's pt iso (and just his earlier pt posts) with no knowledge of his alignment, would you feel comfortable hard clearing him as town? do you think hectic is particularly townie from these pt posts? anything particularly outstanding about hectic here to lock him town? honest opinions + elabs if possible

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would you say his PT is NAI then? i mean could you conceivably see if anyone would look at his pt posting iso and be like "yep hectic is town case closed."

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hmmph. that's particularly interesting because well full context:

start of dance, hectic basically disappears. we don't get any of his opinions really - except from shelly who essentially has to relay all his points as hectic decides to uhh

THAT MAKES IT WORSE WTF

GRUMBLE OOGLE GRUMBLE BOOGLE

(this was in response to me being angry at hectic not posting in thread apparently chillin in pt with his ideas)

this is his first content post in dance and arguably his first content post in the entire game, which is uh not the greatest look but honestly hectic does redeem himself later.

Now shellyC clears hectic because of his PT posting, despite his lack of anything in thread, so presumably hectic must've really had some solid super townie posts in the PT because otherwise why is shelly clearing someone who doesn't exist in the main thread and only posting in the PT. And now with your testimony I mean... stuff like this

THAT MAKES IT WORSE WTF

I feel like it's a very specific and hard-to-fake as scum thought tbh.

and variations throughout are especially interesting with your testimony. i mean shelly seemed on the verge of just locking hectic town because of the pt.

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shelly is just being... idk abnormal? no paranoia towards the possibility of a hectic pocket? i mean if what hectic posted can't be locked town by chemist, at the very least shelly's not locking him for something major nor holistic, but something small. which is weird considering what was going on with hectic in the main thread, just a whole lot of nothing. and i mean, townhunting is inherently more holistic than scumhunting, there's just something icky and weird about shelly's attitude wrt to hectic.

yes im suggesting shelly = scum, hectic = town, shelly must protecc hectic early

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and it can't be that shelly isn't aware of the idea of pt pockets, i mean when im spamming pts are for pockets its not something you can ignore because you can't just mute me lmao i love democracy

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also it would be very funny if we nailed shelly because of chemist's testimony

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VOTE: chemist - shelly

anyways actually it would even more hilarious if chemist was scum and shelly was town

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VOTE: chemist

Its chemist and when im right oka u will sheep me!

putting my chips on shelly

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in a way chemist is copying down hectic's reads for me

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cant believe fire is making us the nk target

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Oka can you quickly scumread your partner for me?

i am not allowed to give me read on firebringer anymore sorry

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i mean

i don't mind my pair dying but i dont want it to be two hours after i sub in

don't worry about it you are in no risk, 538 is projecting a no execute

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538 is projecting a no execute

So there’s like a pretty solid chance there’s gonna be an execute?

well there are always polling errors and nate silver can't correct for systemic polling errors

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Nate silver is a fucking idiot

I, too, could be right all the time if I made a point of always giving an addendum to all my predictions that, in fact, the opposite could also be true, and therefore I didn’t fail to predict anything because I did say that outcome B /could happen/ even if it wasn’t *technically* what I predicted

I feel like this was maybe too aggressive if ur a nate silver fan, oka, sorry

It’s not like he’s Elon musk or anything

im about to policy vote you for these takes

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you know i regret ever bringing up 538 to use as a type of pop-culture reference

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that is usually true but in this case it is different

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ok so nobody read my exchange with chemist feelsbadman

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yikers

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last effort post until friday for you americans

Now shellyC clears hectic because of his PT posting, despite his lack of anything in thread, so presumably hectic must've really had some solid super townie posts in the PT because otherwise why is shelly clearing someone who doesn't exist in the main thread and only posting in the PT. And now with your testimony I mean... stuff like this

I'll tell you what the tinfoil is then since mena's outed in-thread

hectic read luez as mena (correctly), and stated two things that thought mena was being scum!mena
1. proposed to ydrasse (which mena knows is pocketable and good at obvtowning) super early
2. placated hectic early on, which falls in with hectic knowing mena's scum!meta and possibly knowing the alt as mena

does this seem an easy-to-fake thing as scum? also I've been caught as scum by one of these tinfoily hectic theories before

i mean that could be +town points but i still find it a little questionable for you to go out and basically pseudo-clear him for that when the body of work of hectic at that time was just not there lol

im not entirely sure on how important luez being mena is, ive never played with mena before so can't really comment on that but it looked like half the people were guessing mena anyways

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im not entirely sure on how important luez being mena is, ive never played with mena before so can't really comment on that but it looked like half the people were guessing mena anyways

that was his first pt post

are you saying guessing mena early means you are town and that's how you clear?

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are you saying guessing mena early means you are town and that's how you clear?

no??

are you misreading my post?

the main point is not mena being the alt, the main point is that this thought is hard-to-fake, specific and similar things has come from town!him before

i mean im saying that it looks like as soon as you saw the post where hectic deduces leuz is mena is the one where you marked him down as town.

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and for what its worth you are making it sound very impressive that hectic figured out leuz was mena which i mean fire figured it out in predance and i fire is also kinda giving the vibe where he is reading approximately half the posts

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i mean the fact that you weren't worried about hectic posting in the PT to pocket you is why i think ur scum. logically, i don't know if what you are saying is correct or not. you might be right, you might be wrong, whether you are or not doesn't really matter. its the fact that you were like yes hectic is town posting in scum i am not worried about him is why this is no good. and i mean, it really looks like hectic wasn't doing anything special. when i was questioning chemist i was looking for some massive green flag why you were willing to stick up for him, but these really seem like minor points.

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damn i slipped in a random scum in there i guess i scumslipped

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i mean the fact that you weren't worried about hectic posting in the PT to pocket you is why i think ur scum. logically, i don't know if what you are saying is correct or not. you might be right, you might be wrong, whether you are or not doesn't really matter. its the fact that you were like yes hectic is town posting in scum i am not worried about him is why this is no good. and i mean, it really looks like hectic wasn't doing anything special. when i was questioning chemist i was looking for some massive green flag why you were willing to stick up for him, but these really seem like minor points.

1. context is a wonderful thing. chemist doesn't have it yet.
2. maybe I'm naturally drawn to TR people that are reasonably active in hoods/PTs but I'm aware of the possibility of hectic pocketing me and have stated it multiple times in-thread. I townread hectic slot and can towncase there when I'm back.

i mean i keep asking for you guys to stop pt posting and have pointed to evidence to why PT posting is pretty effective for scum, and like you were still willing to defend hectic for it means its all words - otherwise you'd punish him for it instead of rewarding him for it

not particularly interested in a towncase on hectic because that's not why im voting you but if you want you can

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now what i am interested in are massive scum cases because you can never save yourself but you can always drag someone lower than you!

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VOTE: gamma - bell

NEXT UP

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exciting stuff

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I'll indulge.

Gamma how do you want me to respond to you when you are essentially claiming that putting pressure on replacements is evil? No offense but most of the time, having a replacement is a loss so I might as well milk every advantage I can get by seeing if you slip something.

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And additionally, do you want me to sit there and accept your claims about PT dynamics? I mean gotta stamp that shit out ASAP right? You made a wrong claim and I found actual evidence that refuted your claim. did you want me to be nice and say that's an interesting opinion.

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where am i smearing shellyC

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Gamma claimed that the PT distribution of 54-46 meant that it was town indicative, I went ahead and found a game where a PT-split of 52-48 was a scum-town pairing. Gamma accepted it and moved on, how exactly are we still arguing about it?

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Yeah what's wrong with that. I thought your issue was me smearing shelly so I'm interested in where I lied and slandered shelly. But if that's your issue I am also interested why you have an issue with that.

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look gamma i think your probably town by like im saying bell might be scum and i don't really care if you think he is town or scum because we are all biased towards thinking our partners are town, id just like a rundown on his pt please and thank you lets not repeat gay dance where mysteriously everyone was clearing their partners because the pt was so fantastic except the t-t pairs

ok
do you have substantial evidence to refute my claim about the balanced posting being indicative of a T/T pairing (or maybe it's just stupid or something but until I fuck up off of that I'm gonna roll with it barring situations where I don't think it's the primary metric I should use bluh words)

i mean here you clearly believed it enough to roll with it? if i didn't go and refute it you said yourself you were rolling with it. im not accusing you of lying or anything but that was part of me interacting with you in a somewhat hostile manner.

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What wrong claim did I make about PT dynamics, the post balance thing? I was acknowledging from the first beat that I was possibly full of shit. I didn’t intend to lie about anything there, and it feels disingenuous to call me a liar about that subject. If it’s not that, then what the hell is it about?
And as for the pressing replacements thing, I feel like you’re more likely just gonna make the person clam up, like I did. So if you’re expecting slips, let me be proof positive your plan won’t work.

i mean im okay with the person clamming up? i don't really see why you see this as a problem?

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Well, see, when you case someone and say you think they're scum usually you try to eliminate them. If you believed it, why would you move your vote? Did she answer to your satisfaction?

have you never moved your vote before off of someone you scumread?

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@bell you know i scumread you, what's wrong with moving from one to another?

@gamma okay sure whatever, to be honest im not too interested in this conversation. i was just annoyed at you for your comment about me "assaulting" but doing this is a lot more annoying.

gamma you have your methods and i have mine. lets leave it at that

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bell out here pocketing me with his rational takes

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deescalate with?

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Eh. I felt like Oka’s methods didn’t match with the practical results. But I think there’s a point in how some people react differently. What portion of players do you think would react in the way you’d be able to sort, Oka?

Gamma, okay, I didn't want to continue this conversation partially because I realize I misunderstood you but also now I have to ask:

Did I really ask you of something to elicit this strong emotional reaction? Like I don't feel like I asked any hard questions? I just wanted shit on the PT, that's all. There is a burden of work, yes, but like... cmon. It's a dance game.

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You really think my questions were that difficult?

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Like yes I wanted to put pressure on Gamma by making him answer a series of questions, but like...

By instantly putting me under the knife, I switch to defense mode, being extra careful about what I say and do.

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like most of my questions were followups because i was puzzled by the answer... i wanted to chain questions, but like lol idek dude, maybe it would be a lot of work if gamma was going to read the entire thread but i mean he's doing it pine style so he should want these interactions to get an understanding of the game? i don't understand...

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Like, I got super duper annoyed with you ten times.
I just know not to get mad at people who I think are prolly town.

Gamma asked me to push you both so I just did.
My heart isn't really in it tho. I still think you're town.
Or at least, pretty good scum.


Pedit: Are you Noraa, that's about as damning as a marshmellow.

this is my main

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i have one alt and its not noraa

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it flew over my head because who is noraa

i mean the burning question is why is gamma scumreading me for putting pressure on him. we got bogged down but that's the interesting question

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now that im thinking of it its a really interesting question because i guess i can now understand why you would hate me for it or be annoyed at me for it, but scumread me for it? that's a new one. i know people have weird reasons to scumread but that's a new one

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He's scum reading FB,
I think you going away is just the cherry on top.

sigh

you guys talking in PT?

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why am i asking rhetorical questions. time for round 2, what else are you guys talking about in the PT... and do i need to cite old games to why this is not a fantastic idea

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wait

why is gamma asking you to push me?

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why did you ask bell to push me and not duel me 1v1

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bell why did you consent to helping gamma push me when im your top townread

@gamma okay what happened to your theory about knives and being nice

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bell have you pushed anyone else this game?

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bell have you pushed anyone else this game?

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bell have you pushed anyone else this game?

Akarin and Hectic? Did you forget

maybe im misremembering the details, could you link me where you pushed them?

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okay yeah that's what i was going for, i thought both of those pushes were like half the effort you put into this one.

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like this one you were actively trying to hit me with gotcha questions

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apt characterization?

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i mean we know where this is going bell, why did you full-ass a top townread and half-ass presumably, top scumreads

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bell are you town

obtusity regarding oka again, a lot of this just seems like white noise and I dislike that

ok back to work

no im right

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Ultimately Isis will decide but I want to say there is merit in getting a flip between intermission due to time constraints of phase 2. And if we are to operate by decorum and avoid needless chain suicides, I would like to have as much time as possible for minimal decisions.

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VOTE: mariaR + bulge

NEXT

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gamma didn't have this issue when he had a cute anime avatar is all im saying

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ok i actually don't know anything about anime other than "NARUTO" "SASKE" and the seemingly infinite existence of cute anime avatars

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google's not helping me out here gamma

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Oka, at this point
can the mafia NK anyone without providing us info?

It's gotten to the point where that's a thing too

so then that info would inform the next lim.

I think it's worth sacrificing the sands of time.

that's fair but I want to milk these last few hours and if we remove lims off the table then its paper-tiger-esque.

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president isis nominate me for chancellorship

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give me emergency powers isis

if something tragic ever befalls you

we must suspend democracy

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probably not - so we need to buckle down and get ready for dance 2 because it will be necessary for us to go FAST

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The official stance of the administration is we do not eliminate today and this stance does not reflect my personal opinion.

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Dance: Adultery edition

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I believe we should respect the wishes of our dear leader in fact everyone should be obedient to the leader, no matter who it is, as long as we follow proper succession procedures

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POGGING OUT MY MIND RN

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what does pogging mean?

the verb form of Poggers

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hey uhh maria you got any of those notes

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what does poggers mean

its impossible to explain, its like a state of mind to be in poggers

to pog is to ascend into another plane of dimension out of pure, unadulterated euphoria, it is to capture the essence of nirvana in text and emote form

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yeah guys sorry my connection is a little spotty some messages just aren't loading oops

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i am just pogging out in general as i can smell blood in the waters

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hey uhh maria you got any of those notes

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maria i left the game for 24 hours for u and have waited another 48 hours cmon just gib

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i picked shelly ???

and dun? any of the three hello?

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I said I'd give 2nd phase or that you can pick a player for me to give you notes on and I didn't get an answer

WH E RE ?

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can someone help me find where maria said she would only post notes in phase 2 and i had to pick a specific person for her to give reads on cuz i feel bad if i missed that D:

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i picked shelly ???

and dun? any of the three hello?

What's up

people i wanted maria to give notes on

hey guys want to vote maria