Among Us Mafia [GAME OVER]

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Hype hype hype

VOTE: Pooky

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should we all claim task number? i see no reason not to

I have 2

I have 2

yup

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I assume Shea has put enough thought into this that this probably won't just win the game for us.
I also assume that we can't just no elim to a task victory easily.
Not that I'm saying we shouldn't do this but ya know

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I have reactor and comms

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idk about y'all but both my tasks require specific posts so i think we should try to restrict postcount in later days and focus on thought-out, task checked walls

*looks at condo prices in dead thread*

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Alright. I wanna start off with an RQS this game. Questions are as follows:

1) what power role have you not been that you want to try out, and why? Don’t factor in your current role, answer this question assuming you are vanilla this game.
2) If you were scum, who would be your a) D1 miselim push, b) N1 kill, and c) partner you’d want to bus you and go to the end, given each person was the correct alignment for that specific action?
3) What is your skill with mechanic-heavy setups? If you’re not skilled at them, do you intend to get better with practice or rely on others?
4) What is your favorite candy?
5) What would you say is your biggest strength and biggest weakness as town/scum/in general?

1. Friendly neighbor is one of my favorite roles I've never been
2.
a. Outworlder
b. Battle mage?
c. Flea just because that would be super fun
3. trash I think, with no intention to improve. Read the posts, find the scum
4. sour gummy worms?
5. townhunting

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Lol

I think we are giving scum a lot of info here, but whatevs

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well outing the locations is good and bad
good because we can make a plan
bad because scum can mess with that plan presumably

Lol are you actually scum cake

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you think outing everything now is good? I see too much risk

I don't understand the setup well enough to know if it's good or bad. I know Shea well enough to know that we probably can't just do our tasks and win ez pz.
Your post does ping me though

VOTE: Cake

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wait. of course they do. they have sabotages of some kind.

Yup, something like this for sure. Whether that makes it worth it or not to claim all the tasks is not clear, but obviously scum is going to have some way to get their extra kills off.

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Does anyone have post restrictions that will really strongly impair playing the game as normal on later days?

It will be pretty annoying, but nothing that would impact the content

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What’s with the condo stuff

It's a clever way to say that Titus and I are gunna get yeeted to the dead thread. Titus because she doesn't want to RQS, me because I'm incapable of restricting my post count.

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Like, I don't know how to get through to you all that hedging all of our bets on Task Completion and almost entirely ignoring traditional scumhunting is bad in a closed setup and the people who are pushing No Elim are probably scum.

Agree but disagree that the people pushing no elim are scum. Except cake who is scum.

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Taly you are the best

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Outworlder is town I think. Pooky is town. BM is town I think. Cake is scummy but I'm not convinced whether we should or shouldn't elim today yet tbh. Also I'm not pushing for an elim like an hour into the game.

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It doesn't just fail your task?

I'm joking
But also my restrictions aren't number related

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Outworlder is town I think. Pooky is town. BM is town I think. Cake is scummy but I'm not convinced whether we should or shouldn't elim today yet tbh. Also I'm not pushing for an elim like an hour into the game.

dont ignore me

murdercat has been shading me all game for literally no reason

What do you want me to say? I think 62 is fake af and I think 92 is IIOA and I also think all you've done so far is is talk mech

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what is fake af about 62
my impression was that tasks aren't just PRs but can be other things too

I think if you are town you shouldn't have and therefore wouldn't have basically PR claimed on page 3.

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so mech?

My tasks do not provide a benefit to town. If yours do, I think you'd have acted a bit more guarded. Instead you are trying to out as much info as possible.

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lol I'm dumb

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it would not be possible if it is knowledge to those in the room who is in the room

This is probably the case based on the basic mechanics of among us

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Also like, venting is a thing and scum can probably do it

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MC sell me on these reads you had earlier. Also tell me who you want to wagon right now and if you're willing to join me on a Pooky wagon.

It seems like the most relevant one is Pooky, who I think is starting the game more closely to how he did in death curse than in 2170. I'm not gonna like hard commit to anything though

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Like I'm not even convinced we should be voting is the thing.
And while I'm usually in favor of wagons for info I don't think they will actually do much right now because they won't really have any weight behind them

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I agree that it is probably not going to be a good idea to no elim
We definitely will be required to scum hunt

But there is still a possibility of a day 1 no elim being useful. Also in general I prefer to talk these things out. So yeah I get what you are doing and I'm probably on board but also thinking about all of it is still good.

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If there is any day to no elim in this setup I think it's D1, we will have more people doing tasks (assuming there is even a decent chance we hit town) and more people for grouping purposes

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We tell player x we susp that if they don’t take task Y we will send them out the airlock duh

You can't make me take all the tasks that's not fair

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I'm kinda surprised people are taking hard stances in either direction, I mean this is a Shea setup so we should both expect that it is well designed and can't be broken and also that there is some unexpeted stuff we don't understand yet

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Like I'm pretty sure Shea thought of "what if they just focus on tasks"

But at the same time there doesn't currently seem to be that much harm to claiming and I think Shea probably also thought of "what if town just claims tasks"

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I've landed on, it's good for some people/locations to be outed but not all. People then know where to go to group up, but scum doesn't have all the info. Themewise, grouping up is probably a good strategy so I encourage people who don't want to claim to consider where the people who are claiming go.

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murderkitties, i like your 563 but i feel like your 365 went a bit hard onto a slot relatively early for the games pace

how has your cakez read progressed?

lol I'm dumb

Basically that, I misinterpreted what he was saying
But I'm still voting there, I have him on the ropes! Caught for the wrong reasons!!

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Can you explain that a bit more, why those 4 in particular

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Cool thanks, that makes sense.

I would be surprised if Pooky or Outworld are scum and I would be very surprised if they are scum together.
Ali is towntelling but gets a respectful null from me anyway.
BM I think I have no opinion on.

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why is that the case?

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i'm okay with the no elim because the reason you usually DON'T NoLim is bc the only mechanism town has to achieve victory is via eliminating scum.
this game is different. there's no imperative to eliminate scum. there's just an imperative to eventually get all tasks done. that's why limming isn't necessarily

This is basically my exact thought process. But I still feel like there is a chance that we will need to elim scum or that a pure task victory isn't necessarily viable.

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We force all 6 onto somebody we think/know is scum and then just ignore him. Boom, 6 tasks that don't count against us. We can no elim that day to ensure at least 10 tasks are completed. We just wiped out 16 tasks by D2 (assuming no failures). Easy game.

Interesting, but I don't really trust we will be able to do this consistently enough, at least compared to letting townies do tasks for a bit.

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Assuming game flavour, I wouldn't except any town PRs unless town are in certain rooms.

Admin would inform people how many people are in what room (not who)

Security would in theory tell people who passed between some rooms from/to.

This makes a lot of sense

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*Knowing that Shea probably thought of a lot of these ideas and designed an awesome setup fills me with determination*

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People keep saying TSQ wouldn't have made a broken game, but why does that mean Tasks wouldn't be relevant? They're one of the central mechanics of this game.

There's a huge gap between "town can break the game" and "town can gain some advantage"

FWIW I agree with this as well

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I think that scum probably has to play well to prevent a task victory.
But there's a reason you don't go for the scholar's mate every game in chess, optimal play involves assuming your opponent will play well.
I still think the stuff we've learned so far has been super useful. And I still think that full mass claim probably isn't necessary to get enough info to leash.
If we know that there's going to be 3+ people in cafeteria, weapons and nav then people who haven't claimed know where to go to be safe.

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omg what did you do to pooky

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I like to turn things on around page 300

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holy shit LMAO

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Let's say {gamma emerald, Blitzo, DrippingGoofBall, ?} is my solve assuming 4 scum. ? is probably someone who I'm wrong about (unlike the other 3 of course), so I say Bell.

{gamma emerald, Blitzo, DrippingGoofBall, Bell}

It's an honor just to be nominated ...

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your lucky I grabbed the scroll from fidget ngl I wouldnt have trusted you with last-scroll hahahahaah

alls well that ends well

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I think both are fine??
Titus moreso because I am more familiar with her.

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your list sounds trolly af rn lol

What if I actually did it this time though

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Ikr, the worst of the eevee-lutions. Why have a special type pokémon have a higher physical attack than special attack

hey

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Hey according to Titus if I were scum that list should have at least one scum on it.
I have a feeling that, based on my track record, the rule of three will prove that I am town

What do you expect though, Hectic didn't send me any names to help me out this time.

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I don't really think of Titus as a mech player (and there has been a lot of mech talk) or someone who tends to dominate a thread?

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of those im probably the most sus of murdercat rn. the way they were like "lol we're giving scum too much info but eyyy it's ok" really rubbed me the wrong way. like if you're town and think this plan is bad, why are you passively agreeing to it/going along with it/not stopping it?

I think I've been pretty clear in my "I don't know if this is good or bad and I don't think we have enough info to figure it out" opinion. Those who want to share should share and those who don't shouldn't. Having some people out info is really useful, but there's diminishing returns so some I'm happy to have some people decide not to share (e.g. learning that it's possible to have one task is good but it's less useful to know everyone who has one task).

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can we finish the massclaim and go to night then? seems like we're not achieving much else.

booo

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I for one think it's hilarious

pedit lol Pooky is hopkirk now

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ya
for the mod

Not really he has to check it all

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Murdercat

TO THE ELIM-MOBILE

Where's LLD when you need her

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Dogs > Bears > Cats.

VOTE: Bell

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me probably votes murder later

But I'm town

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Honestly the biggest argument for a no elim to me is that every other mafia game involves scum hunting like normal and there's this cool new thing in this game that I want to explore.
Which is not really a great argument, but I'm not convinced by any of the arguments to elim in the general sense. I also know that I am a town hunter and not a scum hunter and in general D1 usually doesn't go my way. But that's a me thing.

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I wonder if scum is worried about us winning on tasks

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you're not LHF lol

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Why is murder so bad?

Yeah!

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VOTE: Blitzo

I think I'm ready to leave RVS

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Like are people clear that that's the cost of not claiming anything? And that's worth not giving scum the information?

We could like, still leash though.
"Priority rooms for tonight are caf, nav, weapons, reactor" and then everyone picks from the list.

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Sure I mean that's the cost if they choose to do that. Which might be dumb. But also thinking that we can all group and do tasks safely is maybe also dumb, who knows. I'll be grouping at least, the less I have to think about mech the better.

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obviously i can't prove this, but i think blitzo wrote this AFTER previewing and faked it

Probably not but this is a town thing to say I think

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I think scum probably still has some trouble getting those extra kills off if we all claim hood members. Unless there's vents or something.

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I am guessing there is a lights sabotage that messes with this. But there might also be a sabotage cooldown??

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This is me every game if the term turn it on is used very loosely

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everyone goes to a random room (Imposters can do better than this)

Everyone agrees this is bad though right? We need to at least let the people who want to group, group.

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Everyone agrees this is bad though right? We need to at least let the people who want to group, group.

If it's like 5 people trying to group it's not much different than random is the point.

And no, I'm not sure everyone agrees this is bad. A lot of people keep saying things that make me think they

don't

actually agree this is bad.

Well if that's the case then I'm glad you did it. I'm assuming the non claim people are still generally on board with grouping but maybe that's not right.

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Shea evaluation:

VCs - 10/10
signature updates - 2/10

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"MURDERCAT has been modkilled."

7/10

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Are you pro or against grouping in general?

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What about a general, go to these 5 rooms if you can, without any info about which individuals are where?

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MC was are your reads?

Good question. I have no active SRs I feel really happy with a handful of TRs. Maybe I'll effort in the morning

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ill be going to the room where i need to do my task.

And where would that be

Sorry idk what came over me there

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Murder, WHERE YOU AT? methinks I skim over you so much that you are an assassin meant to kill us all quietly... but tbh I sympathize, I think I'd be FAR less "not-on-the-radar" if people took the time to read me more.

Infinity isn't here to make me do stuff what can I say. I will post my reads when I have access to a keyboard though

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General thoughts:
- Plan for tonight should be to provide rooms where people should group, if they want to group. I want to group.
- I'm not about to throw someone out of the airlock if they don't claim, I don't think we have enough info to decide either way so people should just do what they want. I think this is better than random because some people want to group. I think scum will get an extra kill off tonight but what can you do.
- I recommend grouping up because my guess is that scum has some ability to combat this, but not enough of an ability that makes grouping up useless (e.g. a limited amount of lights sabotages that lets you kill even if there is a full room). We want scum to have to use these I think.
- No elim is probably right for today. We get a night phase to learn stuff and it balances out what I think is an inevitable (given some people don't want to group) extra kill tonight.
- Because it seems like no elim is the right option to me, I find it hard to do my normal strategy, which mostly involves throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. Which leads to my other strategy, which is basically passively observing.

The good news is that I thought large theme games were too much for me, but it turns out that death curse was just like, really a lot. I agree with whoever said this game was moving at a decent pace.

Spoiler: Reads (generally sorted townie to not so townie)

PookyTheMagicalBear

I think Pooky is true to town form. Based on 2170, I think Pooky is one of those players who doesn't try to perfectly match his town game as scum. I think Pooky is leading town in a good direction, which hopefully is not how I would feel if scum was doing it.

OutWorldER

I don't know what outworlder is like as scum, but he is more town in this game than either of the previous games I played with him, IMO. I actually wouldn't expect 597 or 610 from outworlder scum even though they are somewhat easy to fake, as I assume he'd be fairly new at scum and those posts are scary to make (easy to TMI). I also don't expect new scum to fight against town giving info to earn town cred.

xRECKONERx

Reck scum might be good enough to play the vocal contrarian townie character as scum, but if he is he is doing a good job of it. He hasn't TMIed at all from what I've seen. For example, "scum have an ability to move someone out of a room against their will" is probably not something in the game, so if Reck is scum he is doing a good job of faking mech thoughts from the perspective of someone who doesn't know the mech which is I think hard to do without slipping. Also scum usually TRs me? But maybe I have left myself a bit to open to attack this game.

alisae

Ali isn't dominating the conversation in the way I would expect from Ali scum, though I'm not sure where the SR on me is coming from.

Flea

Flea is doing Flea things, I don't know what scum Flea looks like but I expect I would be able to find scum Flea before I find Bell or Taly scum and I haven't found anything I dislike yet, so fae goes higher on the list.

Bell, Taly

You are both posting vaguely townie things but there is nothing there that I think is never scum from either of you.

Cake

I know I was memeing before about Cake and I totally misinterpreted him, but he was still kinda weirdly defensive when I was posting about him so he still goes down here. There was also this subtle thing where he didn't lead the mech discussion but quickly jumped on board which felt like he wasn't really having his own thoughts about it /shrug.

Blitzo

Blitzo enterance post pinged me, which I know sounds dumb. But "Is there anything in particular anyone would like me to look at?" just sounded fake to me I don't know. 959 feels fake to me too?? Like there is no substance in those reads or even the mech. And stuff like this "I don't understand what MC is doing this game. MC was are your reads?" just feels totally empty to me.

{thegoldenparadox, Haschel Cedricson, DrippingGoofBall, Battle Mage, gamma emerald, titus, Akarin}

These are all people who I have no real thoughts about as of this moment so I am going to go skim their isos now.

TGP had that thing about Blitzo that I thought was a town thing to say, because like how else do you even think of that? Otherwise I don't think there is much there either way right now.

HC could be scum I guess, but mostly I think I just disagree with them about game state. I think Pooky is town and I think taly is ?? and I think Titus is a weird vote.

DG is doing DG things but I don't feel as comfortable in my ability to sort DG doing DG things compared to Flea doing Flea things. I don't really get the strong read on BM.

BM has been suspiciously absent from mech talk?? That's all I've got though, his iso is pretty empty.

Gamma hasn't yelled at anyone yet so I'm not sure if he's town. 1044 kinda pings me??? Spooky

Titus I'm not sure about because I don't really know what I expect from Titus in this setup. I agree with whoever said that we can shelve Titus for now as it will get easier later.

Akarin I should probably have a read on, but I don't. She has posted enough so I don't really have an excuse. I liked 1053, that's probably what I would do if I was trying to convince people to group, which I still think is pro town.

Ew what am I some kind of wall poster now?

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My main worry about the vent shovey thing is when do we find about about it? Because if its in the room phase and we start tasking not knowing we're in the wrong room, that's gunna be a butt.

I don't think this is how it would work, personally

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2 NKs is 2 NKs. Someone making a personal choice to gamethrow isn't better than just... not doing that.

I'm not convinced it is a game throw is the thing and I'm not convinced that grouping prevents an extra NK. I believe it is the better choice but I don't think it's fair to suggest that not giving up info is unilaterally worse.

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If there's a sabotage that allows scum to overcome grouping (Lights?) why should we assume it's not better to force them to use that rather than giving them the NK and the ability to use another sabotage.

Seems reasonable to assume they can't use all the sabotages at once, just like in Among Us. Do you disagree?

I agree and pretty much already said the same thing

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You said the same thing except you refuse to take a stance and keep saying everyone should just do what they want anyway.

More like, I don't think that these arguments are going to convince anyone, I see their POV, and I've done what I wanted to do which is claim my rooms.

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I was like one of the first people to claim

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Can't we reconstruct that knowledge from the hoods though? I'm not convinced that knowing it in advance changes anything in that regard.

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I was like one of the first people to claim

and?

And you are acting like I am tip toeing when I have clearly been in favor of claiming the whole time. Have you even claimed your rooms yet? What I'm not convinced of is that we know enough about the setup to force others to agree, because basically the only way to do this is to threaten to vote them out otherwise. I think that not wanting share info is a reasonable position a townie might have and so I'm not in favor of voting people out if they don't comply. And if we aren't willing to do that then there is no way to actually get people to group how we want.

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So show me where I'm wrong then.

I thought I demonstrated pretty clearly why you can't reconstruct it from the hoods.

I would have to look again assuming that around half to 3/4 of town is actually grouped. I agree random is bad.

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i think we need to start eliming in the no room claim pool


we can probly hit bad guys

and if they're townies we were never going to win this game

VOTE: Reck

my tolerance for gamethrowing is gone

If we were going to do this I think that Reck is the least likely to hit scum. HC is better IMO

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if reck flips red here it proves our no-elim plan can probly win the game

And if he's green you think .. what?
Like I don't think 2 kills tonight is that bad considering I think we will get info from the kill and it is basically the same as miselim > normal kill.

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This assumes we no elim of course. Also everyone who doesn't claim is more likely to be a bonus kill tonight so we can get the same result without risking 3 dead town.

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You wouldn't be scum again would you taly

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Does this post serve a purpose?

nope

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If you want to group, requote this list in a chain

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Murder seems way more townier

I thought you were SRing me though

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Wow these general thoughts sure are unique

I didn't say they were?

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But then why even bother posting them if it's literally what everyone else is saying

Because some people disagree and I'm making my stance on the matter clear.

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Lol I haven't read the VCs for like 10 pages, I think I should be voting blitzo

VOTE: Blitzo

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Murder
1) Why Blitzo?
2) Can you explain game 2170 and how it relates to Pooky read? I don't agree with their "let's lim in the non-claims" because I think that can be role-fishy and motivation behind an agenda (oriented to getting people to work with their plans) is what I'm evaluating Pooky on rn.
3) Without ISOing Haschel, I relate to their arduous running relationship with the thread and reading... and I don't understand the scumreads on this slot because they seemed a bit based around him agreeing with Reck on mechanic POV

Anything for you Taly

1. Honestly, I am on board with no elim so this is kind of just a park vote representing my general read on Blitzo. All his posts are kind of hand wavy in a way I don't like. Like off the top of your head, can you remember any of Blitzo's reads? I remember there being some vague suspicion of me but other than that I can't remember. But then you read the iso and like there is stuff there, but I don't feel like any of it is actually changing the game at all if that makes sense. So basically, I think Blitzo is posting a lot of look busy fluff. I can give examples, but honestly I think it's kind of clear what I mean from a general skim of the iso.

2. I think Pooky in death curse feels a lot more intentional compared to Pooky in 2170. Like the same kind of energy is there in both games, but I feel like it was directed differently, if that makes any sense. I SR'd Pooky in both games though so /shrug

3. I think HC is more likely scum than Reck because I expect scum to be less vocal than Reck is being if they want to try to derail the grouping. I am mostly null there though.

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I like Bell

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Blitzo is an alt of a player with limited experience I thought

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Blitzo is an alt of a player with limited experience I thought

Not actually confirmed to be limited actually

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@MC - where are you at rn?

In regards to what? I posted all my reads this morning nothing major has changed since then I don't think

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Oh the Bell thing - I was gonna say not that kind of hmm
More like hmm town Bell I played with before didn't feel the need to declare himself town

Doubt

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Say more

Bell must have declared himself town 20+ times in death curse

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In exactly the same sort of

This town Bell
Or is it?
Haha

Style

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It is hard to scum hunt without applying pressure. It's hard to apply pressure without real votes and the threat of being yeeted out the air lock.

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Ok so what do you think should be happening?

Honestly I am ok with the current state of things. I am town hunting and I think I am making progress in that direction.

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MC is definitely too lackluster here and I feel like he simply doesn't care about what's going on at this point.

Kinda yeah

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Welcome to town, you must be new

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FWIW I will switch to no elim closer to day close

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i am saying i believe titus is going to flip town but nice try

It implies Pooky is town too and not scum intentionally trying to mislead you

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That's exactly what I was gunna say

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Aw but I was waiting for Bell to comment on it

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I should get half credit at least

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Anyway it seems like we are going to elim today, I am happy enough with the comp of the Blitzo wagon compared to Titus and I think Blitzo has things that are actively kind of scummy so if we want to try to shoot the scum then fine. But I think there's good reasons to think that tasks are viable and miselims hurt us more than usual for that reason, so if it were up to me I would no elim.

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The Shea is a good mod argument should suggest that tasks are a well balanced win con that is both possible and not breakable by mass claim.

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I'm trying to explicitly

not

do that

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Like my point is that if you think it's unlikely that a mass claim of tasks breaks the game, you should also think that tasks are a viable win con.

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Yeah I'm agreeing with you lol

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Someone tell me what room to go to, I don't think scum is going to go out of their way to kill me so

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Whoa whoa whoa
Who the hell said we are eliming today

Just seems to be going that way

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Regarding post restrictions:

on Day 2 we should try to adhere to our post restrictions without making them obvious for as long as possible

. Might not be possible for everyone, but try to make it look natural if you can.

Lol yeah I don't think this is gonna work for me

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Feel better Flea

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Spoiler: table

This should be up to date:

Tasks
Player	Number of Tasks	Location 1	Location 2	Location 3
MURDERCAT	2	Reactor	Comms	N/A
Blitzo	2	Location 1	Location 2	N/A
xRECKONERx	2	Location 1	Location 2	N/A
TheGoldenParadox	2	Security	Security/L2	Location 2
Flea The Magician	2	Storage	Security	N/A
Haschel Cedricson	2	Location 1	Location 2	N/A
DrippingGoofball	2	Location 1	Location 2	N/A
Battle Mage	1	Electrical	N/A	N/A
Gamma Emerald	1	Weapons	N/A	N/A
Alisae	2	Electrical	Admin	N/A
Titus	1	Electrical	N/A	N/A
OutWorldER	2	Location 1	Location 2	N/A
Taly	2	Navigation	Admin	N/A
SirCakez	2	Location 1	Location 2	N/A
Akarin	1	Location 1	Location 1	N/A
PookyTheMagicalBear	2	Navigation	Cafeteria	N/A
Bell	2	Navigation	Security	N/A

So no one else wants to out reactor or comms? If there was 1 other person would out at least 1 I would feel better.
Otherwise, I'm not sure if I should say which I'm going to.

[MURDERCAT]

Honestly there's a good chance I'm alone tonight you should probably just see if I die

[MURDERCAT]

Aww come on you're really gunna make me do stuff

[MURDERCAT]

At least let me get my reads out tonight

[MURDERCAT]

lots of my townreads on the MC wagon

let's make it happen

VOTE: MurderCat

This is the fake one

[MURDERCAT]

Your vote was the scummiest

[MURDERCAT]

because i dont even know why ppl are voting you?

I'm not sure what this means but it looks a lot like you hopping on a growing wagon to take pressure off yourself, while handwaving a reason for it

[MURDERCAT]

You really think BM-scum would feel compelled to hop on a growing wagon with no good reason NOW

yeah I do

[MURDERCAT]

Am I wrong or scum?

[MURDERCAT]

Lol this reads like you caught yourself

[MURDERCAT]

nah I think MC-town would tell me I'm a dumbass for voting without reading. MC-scum more likely to try and turn it around on me as being scummy to try and start a counterwagon.

Do you fear the bus?

I vote for random wagons all the time, it's the way you voted as if you were trying to subtly justify it that I don't like

[MURDERCAT]

Why would I fight back then...

[MURDERCAT]

murdercat you know you can still win paragon even if you are red right?

if only

[MURDERCAT]

Don't worry I will post my reads. Use them or not. Lim me or not, I never got a good footing in this game. But town is in serious trouble when there's 3 dead bodies tomorrow morning.

[MURDERCAT]

In regards to MC, he is a little off. But it's not to the point that I can point at it and think he's scum for it.
He's a little more lowkey, a little more bystandery, I don't see much in the way of manipulation in his posts or interactions beyond a kind of meta manipulation, but ironically, I do this as town because I try to be town read as town cause I hate being voted so.
wifom Loop.

Yeah I do it too, want some links I can show you

I don't know why people expect me to do stuff, I did nothing on D1 of death curse

[MURDERCAT]

Ha ok I was mostly joking but sure.

Death Curse is the most obvious example, as I pointed out in post game I was actively manipulating my posts to come across as towny. I actually did it to you here.

In terms of actively manipulating meta, here is somewhere Shea called me out for playing off meta and shortly after I did this.

I can probably find more examples later but I am going to go play among us now.

[MURDERCAT]

Oh yeah you're right how could I forget

[MURDERCAT]

Also I want to respond to Flea's post but fae needs to fix the links

[MURDERCAT]

Well I can link you to plenty of games where I don't do much D1.
And don't worry I haven't forgotten, but I'm actually going to put effort into it.

[MURDERCAT]

So what classifies as "never scum" for either of us?

My bell meta isn't that strong either, just one game where he was town. Which is why I feel like, despite you both posting generally good things I wasn't totally convinced.

[MURDERCAT]

I think these people are town:
xRECKONERx - same as before, more bold than I would expect for scum
PookyTheMagicalBear - mech talk and tone
alisae - not controlling the discourse the way I would expect as scum
OutWorldER - TTTBS

maybe town:
Akarin - lots of protown actions that make me feel better here (table, post restriction obscuring). The push on me also doesn't really feel scummy.

Bell - 1460 alone makes me feel really good about Bell. He does feel different from D1 death curse, but not so much that it pings me.

gamma emerald - Idk this is just ~vibes~ I don't have a good justification other than gamma's posting just feels good to me like he has genuine thoughts about game solving that are his own.

titus - mostly association with Flea and BM tbh. I also think no elim push is pro town.

unsure about:
Blitzo - I still feel like Blitzo is saying stuff without really doing anything and the avatar is cursed I liked the old one
Haschel Cedricson - Also hasn't really done anything I think
DrippingGoofBall - I don't know DG meta well enough to read this iso.
thegoldenparadox - I feel like they might be TMIing I'm town lol, I don't think the justification that I'm energetic was worth much because I've been pretty low this game overall.

maybe scum:
taly - I've been getting the heebie jeebies based on how Taly is interacting with me. Like I feel like I've been interacting with Taly a lot in the game but I've stayed in the light shade territory the whole game.

SirCakez - I think cake could easily be scum with BM and things would make a lot of sense. I thought he was defensive early in response to me voting him. I also think he is shading a lot of people without a lot of TRs

I think they are scum:
battle mage - vote on me felt very opportunistic with a hand wavey reason that felt like he didn't want to say he was voting for the lols. And then I felt he tried to walk it back.

Flea - Flea's wall on me is like, pretty fake? A lot of quoting dumb jokes and trying to read into them and not quoting things that I think are actually relevant. It also feels like fae went through my iso looking for things to shade me on and I think fae did the same thing to Titus. It reads like setup for a future vote if my wagon becomes real. Like how does my entire iso have nothing that is indicative of town me?

[MURDERCAT]

Ok that's all you are getting out of me today, I am quite busy with work and it's been hard to keep up with all the games the past few days.
VOTE: no elim

[MURDERCAT]

Also, if ANYTHING I've posted about you has been shade in any form, you have my sympathies because I think you'll spontaneously combust if I actually intended to shade you.

Our solves don't align that much MC. What do we do?

That's why I say light shade. I'm not that confident about my reads so I don't think you should be trusting me to hit scum. I think tomorrow will be more useful, I know there will be post restrictions but we have all night in a hood.

[MURDERCAT]

My gut says MC town. My brain is saying "nope, MC bad" and I'm torn.

I feel like this contradicts with what you are saying here, no?

[MURDERCAT]

I'm not trusting you to hit scum.

I'm trusting you to be transparent.

I think I've been transparent with both my thoughts about mech, my reads, and the general sense of not having anything click yet that I've been feeling. I simply have a hard time forming strong reads on everyone during D1 of a large theme, coming away with 4 or 5 TRs is something I personally am satisfied with for D1.

[MURDERCAT]

mmk

[MURDERCAT]

It's gross how both of these scum reads are based on them attacking you

/shrug

[MURDERCAT]

murdercat, do you have a viable alternative wagon to offer? conscious of deadline approaching

No elim is my viable alternative.
I don't feel confident enough in my ability to find scum on D1 nor my SRs to push for anything else.

[MURDERCAT]

I like the composition of the blitzo wagon. I have felt weird about the slot throughout the game. If I was going to attempt to save my own neck I would push harder there.
I think that there is scum on me. Maybe it's you but maybe you did just vote for the lols. In which case I would probably guess Cake.

[MURDERCAT]

I don't really see why else he'd be dodging the question gamma, it seems pretty innocent.

[MURDERCAT]

I agree that my wagon is mostly town.

[MURDERCAT]

I mean the question itself is innocent, like he has no reason to want to avoid it as scum.

[MURDERCAT]

the fact he's doing it makes little sense in any case

This is my opinion

[MURDERCAT]

lmao blitzo

[MURDERCAT]

I think Pooky is town because Pooky is opening closer to Death Curse Pooky than to 2170 Pooky. I was right about Pooky early D1 both games but my read on Pooky wavered (badly) later in Death Curse. I think I have an ok read on him now having played with him where he is town and scum. I guess I can quote posts and stuff if you like, but it's mostly tonal.

[MURDERCAT]

But I'm town

[MURDERCAT]

FWIW I'm not going to selfvote at deadline because I still think no elim is better

[MURDERCAT]

Murder, I sympathize strongly if you're actually town here but I'm not feeling your solve or motivation that much, is there something to be done about that?

I've read the game and given my reads and mech thoughts, I'm not sure what anyone else expects of me.

[MURDERCAT]

MC seems to have given up but no elim plan

I am town who doesn't really want to push for a different miselim.
Pooky knows I'm town, look at 2170.

[MURDERCAT]

If you're town you shouldn't be self-voting anyway?

Normally I would at deadline, as a miselim that would happen later is better than a no elim. I don't think that's the case here.

[MURDERCAT]

why do you object to no elim plan?

I think I'm the only one voting no elim right now lol

[MURDERCAT]

Speaking of scumreading Cakez, Murder, you've mentioned Cakez to be scum before but if I'm correct, you find that most of your wagon is town. What do you make of Cakez's vote?

Cakez vote is transparently "lolwagon" whereas BM's was trying to add some justification. That's why I disliked BM's more. But like I said to BM, if he is town then Cakez is the one I'm worried about second most.

[MURDERCAT]

Assuming this is from the game that just ended?

[MURDERCAT]

Does the case against Murdercat make sense?

Can someone explain what "the case" actually is?

[MURDERCAT]

What case? I am caught up and I have zero idea why MC is wagoned.

same

[MURDERCAT]

I mean other than me not driving the game forward, but that's not as AI for me as people think

pedit pls

[MURDERCAT]

murdercat why havent u solved the game yet

I can't tell if BM is really good scum or just town. I think he is towny in how he is approaching me and I don't think it makes sense to pocked the lim target for the day. Scum is playing well so far this game.

[MURDERCAT]

let's work together Mr Cat, and perhaps we can both survive this bleak day. a vote for Titus is a vote for Trump Biden Justice!

I am willing to throw caution to the wind and sheep Taly, but if I do nothing we probably get a no elim which I prefer so
Also if Titus is town I think she would do well in solving this game

[MURDERCAT]

Also Ali or Pooky or someone please figure out where we should all go tonight

[MURDERCAT]

I think Titus is good at working with data and working off associations and I think there is a lot of both in this game.
If it's a me or her situation the choice is obvious but I want to see if there is any no elim hope first.

[MURDERCAT]

No but some did, so shouldn't we use that?

[MURDERCAT]

Thanks Fluffy Doggy !
VOTE: Murdercat

Spoiler: Current Chart

Tasks
Player	Number of Tasks	Location 1	Location 2	Location 3
MURDERCAT	2	Reactor	Comms	N/A
Blitzo	2	Location 1	Location 2	N/A
xRECKONERx	2	Location 1	Location 2	N/A
TheGoldenParadox	2	Security	Security/L2	Location 2
Flea The Magician	2	Storage	Security	N/A
Haschel Cedricson	2	Location 1	Location 2	N/A
DrippingGoofball	2	Electrical	Location 2	N/A
Battle Mage	1	Electrical	N/A	N/A
Gamma Emerald	1	Weapons	N/A	N/A
Alisae	2	Electrical	Admin	N/A
Titus	1	Electrical	N/A	N/A
OutWorldER	2	Cafeteria	N/A	N/A
Taly	2	Navigation	Admin	N/A
SirCakez	2	Location 1	Location 2	N/A
Akarin	1	Cafeteria	Cafeteria	N/A
PookyTheMagicalBear	2	Navigation	Cafeteria	N/A
Bell	2	Navigation	Security	N/A

I think this is the last update

[MURDERCAT]

To be perfectly honest, I don't think that I have enough town cred to do that at the moment. I think that enough people are SRing me that an attempt to move to Titus would make it more likely I get limmed. Also, I prefer no elim to Titus elim, they aren't equal in my mind.

[MURDERCAT]

Wtf are you smoking? There are zero flips.

I was referring to going forward in the game, i.e. after N1 there will be hood info, room info, etc.

[MURDERCAT]

My reasoning for MC scum is their complete lack of passion and scumhunting this game when I know they do way better than this as town

In my iso is a link where Shea said the same thing and was wrong. I can get started D1 well in open micros. Closed setups are harder. Large closed games are the hardest for me.

[MURDERCAT]

me too please
what do we do Taly

[MURDERCAT]

Do you have reasons why we SHOULDN'T lim BM?

This is why:

1. We have an alternative win condition that doesn't outright require us to catch scum
2. A miselimed townie can't do tasks
3. We are probably going to be losing a lot of town very quickly because we aren't claiming rooms

So basically, a no elim is not as bad as usual and a miselim is worse than usual. So it comes down to the odds that we catch scum. I do not have a good track record of finding scum on D1 or even helping my TRs elim scum on D1. You can see evidence of that in 2170, 2172, 977, and 983. So any wagon I join I think is more likely to come up town than scum, just because I'm not that good Normally I take my shots anyway because no elim is bad, but for the reasons above I think it's different here. Do I think we should elim BM if he is scum? Yeah obviously, I'm just not convinced he or anyone else for that matter is scum.

[MURDERCAT]

Uhhh

Is it better for me to die tonight to avoid miselim tomorrow?
Or should I not claim where I am going?

[MURDERCAT]

Taly do you disagree with what I am saying about no elim?

[MURDERCAT]

but tbh, I'd prefer not to no-lim

Why though?
VOTE: TGP
I'll sheep you

[MURDERCAT]

Mmk let's chill in reactor cakez

[MURDERCAT]

are you gonna murder face me????

I won't be able to because 2 other people are coming to reactor

[MURDERCAT]

Here’s the thing, I feel like your game improves as you get deeper in the game as town. So limming you D1 wastes your potential.

This is true, but probably also true for most people.

[MURDERCAT]

Though maybe I scale better than most, certainly there is a lot of room to improve

[MURDERCAT]

Anyone who failed the game won't listen to you tbh

[MURDERCAT]

A bunch of people said "I don't know why MC was wagoned" and then suddenly the wagon stopped.

Which is the thing I was questioning. I thought I made myself pretty clear.

You were, no one else was though

[MURDERCAT]

Murderkitty,
I think it's normal for you to do little D1, I also think that without Noraa sucking up all the attention you're gunna get pressured for it early game day and that you'd have some kind of motivation to try and solve based on that or at least live.

I don't think it makes sense that he didn't vote titus, but voted TGP after saying he felt he would die if he tried to vote titus opportunisticaly.

You're here Murderkitty. Respond?

Yeah I'm here. TGP isn't a real wagon, looks less opportunistic (well to everyone except TGP). It's effectively still a no elim vote, but it's showing support to Taly who I think 1. Needs it and 2. Deserves it.

I think I have given reads on everyone in the game. I am solving. I need more info. That could be an elim but night kills and neighbors also work.

[MURDERCAT]

I guess so
I guess people want me to push and ask questions and stuff. But I'm kind of content reading the thread and forming my own reads quietly.
I'm clearly engaging the people who are interested in engaging me and seeing who are doing that and who aren't is pretty useful to me.

I only did that in death curse because the game felt totally stalled. The game is kind of stalled here in a way, but I feel like I'm doing ok picking up town reads so far.

[MURDERCAT]

Same

[MURDERCAT]

Why aren't you voting me then

[MURDERCAT]

I try to help

[MURDERCAT]

Ok I feel encouraged to actually play the game now based on another game ending recently and some feedback about my play in it. Please unvote me, I would like to actually avoid being miselimed. My LAMIST play is to actually look back over the VCs and try to make something from the wagons as I do think no elim is more likely to come from town as scum probably want to push for miselims still. Early game is all mech talk, I am looking at wagons that reach 4 votes, as those actually have some weight behind them.

In VC 1.29, there is a wagon that reaches 4 votes on BM. Members of the wagon are OutWorldER, Flea, DG, and Blitzo.

Spoiler: BM votes

OWER

is an interesting slot in this situation, on one hand, he has a valid viewpoint on

Pooky/Ali

... the other, is that it is weird AF for him to wagon

Titus

after doubling-down on the

Pooky

scumread. Interactions make him least likely to be aligned with the other... OR

(2:2)

situation involving him is where i would start to investigate.

I mostly went with the Titus wagon to get things off this mech talk and encourage town to ditch the awful No Elim plan.

Already it's paid off since we've got more tangible things to go after and our positions in the game now are not solely based on support/opposition for the Pooky/Ali plan, at least for the people involved in this wagon.

I had reservations about Titus's posting before this recent bout since it feels like she should've at least had some weigh-in on the mech posting but this recent streak seems mostly like standard Titus.

Titus's points against BM ring true and considering his stances earlier his flip will help us sort the Pooky/Ali plan so I'm on board there.

VOTE: Battle Mage

@Titus

Who do you think are the scum on/were on your wagon outside of Battle Mage or is BM the only read you've got there?

VOTE: battle mage

You are now within the gaze of an emisary of chaos. We are not liable for any random limb dismemberments, universes, defiance of the laws of physics or acts of god that may occur during this time.

something feels off
what do you think of Titus and Haschel?

they both feel red to me

titus more so

concur

Justify your concurrence.

only when you acknowledge my towniness.

VOTE: BattleMage

@dgb - Sure.
VOTE: battle mage
Now.
What's the deal?

These votes are all pretty weak, even the surrounding context doesn't add much. I like Outworlder's the best and I think that any of the others could come from scum, but are generally NAI.

BM stayed at 4 votes until VC 1.37 because

Spoiler: DGB moved to Taly

I'm starting to like Blitzo more.

VOTE: Taly

The Taly vote isn't really pushing a scum agenda at all nor does it come off as trying to look towny, so I guess it is worth some town points for DGB?

The next wagon to hit 4 votes is blitzo in VC 1.39

Spoiler: Blitzo Votes

There was a lot of nonsense in those pages but that's what I gleaned from my catchup.
I definitely feel like I missed a thing or two but I've completely forgotten what they were.
I need to double back and check again at some point because I remember feeling they were important when I had them but I didn't write them down like the fool that I am.
I did note that HC has a wagon on him and I'd like to know where that's coming from.

oh just kidding, this is MUCH worse VOTE: blitzo and i'm fairly confident blitzo/haschel are s/s

Lol I haven't read the VCs for like 10 pages, I think I should be voting blitzo

VOTE: Blitzo

i'm on board

VOTE: blitzo

I'll go ahead and VOTE: blitzo
For wagon development this is the biggest wagon of my sr pool
I still stand by no elim plan

Say more

Bell must have declared himself town 20+ times in death curse

hmm ok
I'm still not a fan of others of his posts and how he's still sitting on the Titus wagon

Of note is this

Spoiler: Titus vote

Alright, it seems like we finally have a consensus to be dumb. I'm not going to stop the dumbness so I might as well make the best of it.

VOTE: Battle Mage

That puts BM back to 4 in VC 1.40

This seems to be in response growing pressure on Titus that maxes out at VC 1.41

Spoiler: Titus votes

VOTE: titus
*hugs*

Alright that was a lot of pages and surprisingly little substance.

A few notes.

Flea asks if I was joking about Pooky Sus or not. I was not joking.

So in theory it seems all tasks are a post restriction of some sort, I'd expect them all to be "short" style tasks.

O2 and Reactor MUST BE FIXED or imposters win.
Comms would be a global post restriction maybe?
Lights might hide kills?

...

What good can

possibly

come from this line of discussion?

People were asking, and I know some people enjoy setup spec.

Oh well if they enjoy it then I guess that's okay no wait the opposite of that.

Drops this like it's a bad fart, and promptly leaves. No contribution, no commitment, just ε=(｡◕ฺˇд ˇ◕ฺ｡）

Why did I not follow up on a conversation about a topic not being a great thing to talk about? It is a mystery.

Blitzo's iso bothers me. I like a lot of the questions he's asking, but I don't feel like there's a lot of follow-up.

I'm going to electrical. I'm doing my task.

Either a) scum kill me and leave less for y'all to do

Or b) scum kill elsewhere and I can get those tasks.

Agreeing to anything else seems stupid.

Option A has a big problem here. Can anybody else see what it is?

Her reads in 580 are terrible, too. Misrepresentation of my game + Wildly overreacting to BM's 254 + Appeal to meta + 3 reads with literally no substance behind them.

Unvote; Vote: Titus

Taly is by far my strongest townread for being the person who is visibly doing the most scumhunting. OutWorldER looks good too for similar reasons and also I like a lot of his posts.

That's all for now.

VOTE: Titus

Haschel, you with me?

♪└(￣◇￣)┐♪ Wind Waltz / Confuse ♪└(￣◇￣)┐♪

*sees the RQS*

*puts a down payment on a condo in dead chat*

Hah! It ain't

that

bad. ◕‿↼

should we all claim task number? i see no reason not to

I have 2

I have one.
I plan on doing mine asap so I can pick up one of the other tasks and then do it.

I like this, nice and open and clear in intent.

every1 claim what rooms you need for your tasks

i will excel it and figure out optimal pathing

alisae will probly do it faster and better

electricity room?

wait you really only have 1 room to go to?

Same and it happens to be the same room.

So it looks like BM and I are sharing a room for the night.

goshdarn Titus, are you going to kill me?

Nope but given tasks can repeat, we may have the same task (if you're town). If not, you can't use your bonus kill on me. So I'm uneasily ok with staying with you.

We may have the same task if you're town... Scum might just mimic you and pretend to have the same task.
Then theres the "Well you can't bonus kill me, but I guess I'm ok with this..." which is a little odd? TMI or paranoid... not sure.

I wanna not do the RQS because I'm feeling grumpy and was gonna complain about it, but I like surveys

1)PR I want: Loyal Vig
2a)Scum miselim: Gamma
2b)Scum NK: Titus
2c)Scum buddy to be bussed by:

Taly

3)Mech-skill: decent but no one will listen to me
4)Candy: Maple candy, the kind that's just maple sugar that dissolves in your mouth, not the hard or artificial flavored stuff.
5a)Biggest strength: Townreading miselim-bait after initially scumreading them.
5b)Biggest Weakness: I'm too towny and care too much.

I wanna do some RQS as well.

Green?

My real estate agent called. They said even less of a down payment is needed for my condo.

Oooooo you getting a good deal? [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°̲̅)̲̅$̲̅]

I'm going to electrical. I'm doing my task.

Either a) scum kill me and leave less for y'all to do

Or b) scum kill elsewhere and I can get those tasks.

Agreeing to anything else seems stupid.

Cool ur with me

Ok great. Then Battle Mage can come too. I won't feel so awkward having someone I know there with me.

This makes the previous TMI or Paranoia look like TMI...
Bearing in mind I'm looking at this out of context of the rest of the thread.
Titus and BM initially, TMIs that BM can't use their bonus nightkill. Now Alisae is in Titus is more confident...

what... maybe I'm reading too much into this... My brain is doing the fuzzy wuzzies.

I'm going to electrical. I'm doing my task.

Either a) scum kill me and leave less for y'all to do

Or b) scum kill elsewhere and I can get those tasks.

Agreeing to anything else seems stupid.

Cool ur with me

Ok great. Then Battle Mage can come too. I won't feel so awkward having someone I know there with me.

pfft, now i dont wanna come

You have a job to do.

BM potentially has 2 tasks, why suddenly so keen to keep them around? This is bad vibes...

My brain hurts. I have zero idea on how to approach this day play without wagons. My data is my crutch.

I kinda like Taly though.

So make one.

If we go the no elimination route, BM, Gamma and I should take the task of whomever dies. We can split up the tasks so that we can complete them tomorrow night.

Curious why these 2.

If I get mislimmed day one, there's little I can do. I have accepted that with this game state. I have an easy task if I slowly post day 2.

That being said, I do feel my wagon is scum driven though. Consensus is gathering around no elimination but yet people vote me for actually voting for it.

Here are my actual weak reads though.

HC is scum riding off town Reck's coattails to disrupt the game.

BM is scum for waiting on a consensus before voting me. His position on me is just hot garbage in his ISO. He appeared fine when it was just me and him going to electrical but sad when Ali was added to the mix. That would have three in electrical. Removing me makes two in electrical.

Taly and Flea are town because of their metas.

Pooky and Alisae are town.

Cakez is town.

WRONG! There's a LOT you can do, you know, like sharing information and reads, giving town information to work with and stuff.
HC read seems legit, BM read is suspicious at this point.

Reading me as town because of my meta....

Lets go further into this. I'm not a huge fan of meta because it's adaptable and exploitable.
I have 2 completed games on site as of this point I believe, 3 at most.
First game is my newbie game where I'm all over the damn place
Second game is Death Curse. I was a heavy lurker, when I did post it wasn't much until I came under threat and it was again, all over the place. This is also where I decided to change up my play style.
Third game was The Council, School Edition. I posted LOTS and streamed my thoughts fairly well and stubbornly latched on to Ali/Taly's hydra, ultimately getting NK'd night 1.

The Council is the closest to my play here, but still different enough to not be considered my play here.
Could you justify your meta read on me?

Personally I feel OER or Bell are the more likely scums there, not BM

I find Bell's take on me interesting. It's more NAI but suggests a genuine fear of me. If he's town, he knows I can pull some pretty outrageous shit and would fear me. If he's scum, he knows he needs to shade me out of the gate due to my late game prowess if given space.

Starting a train on me serves both purposes.

I don't really have an alignment read on Bell for that reason.

Self meta'ing to read another player is genuinely interesting...

I'm still in vehement disagreement of No Elim being good here, especially considering recent events.

At the very least, I'd like to flip somebody with hard stances on it, flip Me/Reck or Pooky/Ali. Then use the alignment to determine who's right.

This thinking is a fallacy. It supposes all town think correctly and all scum push incorrectly. It also supposes one correct path. The correct path is to force scum into claiming tasks or get eliminated. This puts us closer towards winning regardless of who is right. Right now, there are no tasks to claim.

This is also interesting, and I'm curious how this would play out.
Given Titus is keen on BM scum I would think she'd push here. Self claimed to be dependant on data she's still on no lim instead of pushing for data.

EUUUUUUGH I did not want to come into this and get a scum read. I was coming in here hoping for a townlean...

The HC read seems strong for what evidence is presented, but still nolim?
Like this is WEIRD to me.

Everyone agrees this is bad though right? We need to at least let the people who want to group, group.

If it's like 5 people trying to group it's not much different than random is the point.

And no, I'm not sure everyone agrees this is bad. A lot of people keep saying things that make me think they

don't

actually agree this is bad.

Random means we don't accomplish tasks.

I'm not doing random. Period.

I really want to put a message here in Braille as a comment on random period, but I think it would count as encrypted message, even if I put the original text in because it probably couldn't be verified.

SIGH

I wasn't at any point suggesting going to random rooms.

The assumption of random is that everyone just doing one of their tasks amounts to random rooms, assuming roughly equal distribution of tasks among the rooms.

Except it doesn't. For instance, Alisae has two tasks. One takes her to electrical the other to another room. By actively selecting electrical, we force a room of three (assuming BM lives).

That's a strong reason for BM to live. He has to try and complete his one task and can have another passed off to him from the dead corpse. It's a win-win situation regardless of BM's alignment.

This feels dismissive and stubborn. "I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG". I agree with Akarins #1066. The clarification didn't really leave room for misinterpretation here. Like it flagged me a bit at the time but I was a little bit focused on BM at the time.

It's a win-win situation regardless of BM's alignment.

Not if he's scum????

It is.

We force him to take a task. It auto completes. If he refuses, we kill him.

The task lets us also control what room he goes to. So he's a liability to scum.

This seems legit logic though.

So sad that Taly rolled scum.

Why did she roll scum?

So sad that Taly rolled scum.

Why did she roll scum?

I believe the roles are srandomly distributed. Luck of the draw.

Why do you think she rolled scum?

*exasperated tone*

And actually pushing something semi-decent. This seems kinda fake reaction though maybe, given how much shes been on BM's butt without the exasperation.

Can we move on to no elimination and compliance? I am bored and this feels like an RVS that will last forever.

This pinged me a bit. Titus isn't daft, she knows this is the best chance we've got to communicate effectively and seems to be wanting to cut it short. And despite the strong read on BM still wants to nolim...
We're also WAAAAY out of RVS so this seem really dismissive of everything up to this point...

Can we move on to no elimination and compliance? I am bored and this feels like an RVS that will last forever.

This is an attitude I see both you and BM spouting and it's just like:

People have solid reads, wagons are being started, people are pushing.

Were also only 3 days into deadline.

How the fuck does this possibly feel like RVS? Why are you so quick to end the day; even if your going with Pooky's plan, there's still a lack of claims so ending the day early with a No Elim vote would be awful?

No one can die. No one should die. Therefore, these votes are meaningless.

We just have me take a task and force BM to take a task after ensuring no one dies. Provided I don't fuck up tomorrow, it leaves us in a great position.

That's the proper play IMO. I have said it a million times.

No one can or should die.
Why?
Going for task win exclusively is BAD as we don't know enough about the setup to know that's a fully achievable wincon. Think about it, assuming some poor soul has 2 long tasks, thats 4 days to victory.
Imposters can kill between 4 and 8. If it's 8 then there's 9 players left.
That's TOO EASY for town to win. There's got to be something here to screw with us. You're not daft. You would think of this.

I can't shift this bad juju feeling (⌯˃̶᷄ ﹏ ˂̶᷄⌯)

Yeah but if we can't convince at least a majority of the town then it doesn't amount to anything.

I think most of the town is on board. We're just dealing with a vocal minority, thanks to Reck. I think even those voting are on board with the grouping plan.

My action is already decided. Aside from watching, I don't see anything protown to do.

There's ALWAYS something protown to do. ALWAYS.

VOTE: DippingGoofball

I want to start here. Undeveloped thoughts from this slot.

This is OMGUS.

This is something to note for later based on flips I think. This might be me being newbish though.

I want Titus to explain her meta takes and evaluate their strength openly. I think her frustration to DGB is sincere and I want to lean in on the way she approaches this plist read wise.

What in particular?

I'm loving Taly, he's not disappointing my expectations at all.
This question asks for a few things but Titus feels evasive?
To me this reads as:
- Tell me your strengths.
- Explain your Meta reads.

VOTE: DippingGoofball

I want to start here. Undeveloped thoughts from this slot.

This is OMGUS.

Still more justification than most of Battle mages votes.

*not tunneling I swear - just kinda bored and scatterbrained lol*

No. Battle Mage is pretty transparently scum.

But no vote? When is a scum vote ever a bad vote?
When they're buddies?
I... I don't know at this point.

I'm definitely suspicious of this though, having had it pointed out Titus tried pocketing me by being mega agreeable with me in Death Curse (Seeing as the read on me is meta based, I'll return the favour).

Meta. You townread Flea and I off of it in one of your early spews.

Compare this with Death curse.

I responded to this in my bumper catch up, and further up this post - but it's here again in case you missed it.

You mean the game I lurked like hell and didn't wake up until I was on the chopping block?
That was the game where I decided to drop the filter and just think "stuff it lets go".
Also Titus isn't attempting to pocket me this time ★~(◡‿⊙✿)

Alright, it seems like we finally have a consensus to be dumb. I'm not going to stop the dumbness so I might as well make the best of it.

VOTE: Battle Mage

This happened during my catchup, I don't feel the mood shifted enough to warrant this and it confused me a bit at the time.

V E R D I C T

VOTE: Titus
I can't shift the bad feeling

VOTE: titus

the reck endorsement all i needed

I actually think that this is now a second Flea vote that seems to be adding pressure to a wagon and, like I mentioned before, it's a big quote wall with not a lot of actual reasoning behind it. It really doesn't read like a Titus vote should follow that wall.

Finally, my wagon that maxes out in VC 1.47

Spoiler: MC Votes

My strongest TR's at this point are Akarin and Bell, mostly because they least fit into the game-state as I observed in 1553. I also think Blitzo is somewhat likely to be town for those reasons. The wagon on him doesn't really seem to have a driver? At least that I've observed, and despite no-one really coming to his defense it's mostly stalled, and while normally you could attribute that to the No Elim plan there seems to be a consensus to vote anyways so the stagnation of his wagon suggests to me that he's probably town.

I keep thinking about it and I'm mostly talking myself into a Murdercat vote the more I do. He seems to be the main one keeping the game in stagnation and furthermore has expressed content with this game-state, despite the current trajectory of this day being mostly bad for town with the weak reads from most players and lacking motivation. He shows no initiative to try and influence the game-state in any way and his posts such as 1180 showcase that he has no initiative to force other slots to make AI content.

VOTE: Murdercat

As an aside, I had time to think about it and I've mostly come around to the claiming rooms part of the plan, though not to the No Elim portion.

So I've got 1 task in Cafeteria.

Thanks Fluffy Doggy !
VOTE: Murdercat

oh hey look The Thing Is Happening

VOTE: MURDERCAT

I'll show this support
VOTE: Murdercat

VOTE: murdercat
Choo choo

lots of my townreads on the MC wagon

let's make it happen

VOTE: MurderCat

My wagon is noticeably different from the others in the speed in which it developed. I think this is mostly due to a kind a stale gamestate.

As I said, outworld's vote on me is legitimate. Akarin, Reck, and Ali, all mentioned me before. I think the votes that are most interesting are cake and BM. I already discussed why I am wary of both those slots and why I am wary of BM's vote in particular. He did unvote me though, so I think that dulls it somewhat.

I am getting tired, but here are questions for myself tomorrow:

What happened around VCs 1.37 to 1.41? Were any of those wagons in response to a wagon on scum?
What to make of Flea's wall about my iso, that for some reason did not end in a vote on me?
What to make of TGP, who has had a weird progression on me (as I noticed while doing some of this).

Don't lim me thanks. Good night.

[MURDERCAT]

Flea the fact that it's not typical is why I'm concerned about it

[MURDERCAT]

MC's vote analysis post doesn't really seem to come to any actual conclusions and I have no idea what he was trying to accomplish with it.

I was trying to get a foothold into the game by trying find anything to analyze. Which I did, I now have those questions I am going to look into.

[MURDERCAT]

with 5 hours left, looks like no-lim is inevitable anyway. no time to get a last minute claim from anybody, and I don't favour elimming without that.

Are we worried about claims?
I kinda thought town power came from the hoods