TENET - Algorithm Assembled

[Dandelion Wine]

LLD botched a fakeclaim in purple room last night.

She faked a gunsmith guilty that the hood picked up on, on peta.

Literally just kill LLD today.

[Dandelion Wine]

I had literally an entire chart of how shit was going to go down in the hood ready to post... and then my call for deepwolf scum (Bell) flipped town

[Dandelion Wine]

I’m a little confused why Cabd dunn scum team kills ffery here though

Ninja-
Are you saying you’re scum with him obtusebear?

I do have a very small last will from deacon in the hood. But for the most part they spent night three telling us that trust is gone and not interacting with my attempts to solve based around the lld botched claim at all. I'll post it once things advance a little.

They also got mad at me for not purple room snooping after telling me not to use it. They figured I could let them know if dunn was telling lies about the LLD claim botch. (It happened in the purple room according to dunn).

[Dandelion Wine]

Bork post at the start of night three was essentially fuck y'all I'm out.

[Dandelion Wine]

Spoiler: Stuff from hood that is literally useless now but shiny and I worked on it so blah

[Dandelion Wine]

No.

[Dandelion Wine]

"lol speedwagon Cabd" because Pooky doesn't want to have the Dunn-LLD 1v1. He's hoping to get one townie then slowroll his team onto me.

Because not only did LLD fake guilty Peta yesterday, but then she completely fucked up her claim to Dunn in the purple room by claiming a role result that does not match those that are known

Annie, A50, what format is your result in? Use a hypothetical track on Dunn to me. 100 bucks says it's "Dunn visited Cabd" and not "Your target visited Cabd".

And LLD claimed the latter format. To try to explain away her fake guilty as a redirect.

It's not just "LLD faked a guilty onto Peta" it's "LLD faked a guilty onto peta AND claimed a role result format that isn't real to explain it away"

[Dandelion Wine]

Dunn called LITERALLY this series of events in the hood last night, by the way.

[Dandelion Wine]

Like come on dudes, read the LLD ISO and control-f "Pooky"

[Dandelion Wine]

Midwaybear, pre-LYLO: Herp derp I'm a baby minnow swimming in the stream, none of my posts are super flashy and I'm feeling directionless
Midwaybear, in-LYLO: MURDER THIS SPECIFIC PERSON WITH FIRE I AM SO CONVINCED

[Dandelion Wine]

LLD lied and is scum.

FTFY

[Dandelion Wine]

Uhhhh sure I guess.


When did you start reading peta as scum, and was it always intense or was it something that built gradually over time? Was there a specific catalyst or set of posts to this read?

Like... Walk me through the mommy stork and the daddy stork that loved each other very much and made this read.

Day 1 I was heavy on the peta town train cause my dude really hit all the notes I wanted. He was charismatic, needed answers and wasn't interested in being snowed by anyone. It felt like he had townie mentality.

But as the days went on... more or less after the FL elimination and no one stopping it, I was super jaded. FL was a huge town read of mine, as you know. So I began looking at the people in power. I fake shot you to get reads on you and Deacon, and I tried mindmelding with Peta to get stuff there.

Peta and I being unable to connect... and Peta only wanting to talk about his read on me, gave me a bad worrying taste. I was worried he was gonna setup into day 3.

So I resolved, day 3, if Peta came out swinging after day 1 and 2 not stopping FL elimnation and being kind of passive day 2, I was gonna hard suspect it.

He came out swinging at me and when it got no traction, look where he ended up.

Pushy apathy style at Pooky rn.

It just lines up too perfectly from a Peta scum who feels in control and gets to do what he likes.

So that's when I got there. It was the way Peta handled things and

the results we got

. Someone in power is scum and made FL happen. If it's not you or Deacon, it's Peta.

dude

cabd

for someone who is so smart and does all this shit in different mafia games

you are really really dense sometimes

I will literally keep posting this, holy shit people.

[Dandelion Wine]

I pushed skitter yesterday because lld was softing investigative pr like crazy

And skitter was also claiming an investigative pr

And I didn't feel the need to elaborate on my read when I could get skitter killed without doing so, because if lld was town keeping her hidden was ideal.

And make no mistake, skitter would have still died if I claimed that lld was softing yesterday

yea im sure LLD is a double cop who can investigate 2 people per night

what a troll

Like come the fuck on this is very clearly NOT what is being stated.

You fucks really want to lose to THIS?

[Dandelion Wine]

Okay pop quiz everyone.

Does your power role have ANY flavor reasoning attached to it whatsoever?

A simple yes or no.

[Dandelion Wine]

No

So, let's go over this, shall we?

-Fake guilty on Petapan
-Role results in a format that does not match other people's
-"Flavor reason for role" that doesn't exist in anywhere else.

[Dandelion Wine]

For fuck's sake, Brian and Annie need to come back.

[Dandelion Wine]

Yes lld is scum but that’s still no reason to rush this and there’s 0 reasons I’m seeing why you can’t be scum with her or why dunn can’t be

Do you have that little respect for my skills as scum, that I would let such an obviously TERRIBLE fakeclaim happen?

[Dandelion Wine]

Idk he ATEd a bunch yesterday which I don't know if he would do as scum. I guess he could still be scum, but I feel bad when I push him.

hi im slacking off during class to follow along a little and i just want you to know this post is insane, especially given how you wouldn't shut up about pooky yesterday
-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

A50 scum, MWB scum, Annie scum, spiffeh gypyx firebringer all scum?

Firebringer town I think.

I have an inno result on him.

Then again my guilty on Peta was false positive so =/

if someone thinks this is town they should tell me exactly what scum role they think could have caused this interaction
-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

I am legitimately sorry for including owl in my red string corkboard holy shit, wow.

There's no way THIS action comes from scum my dudes.

[Dandelion Wine]

BTW in a town-Brian world he dropped a vote in LYLO then just peaced the fuck out.

[Dandelion Wine]

It's okay dandelion, let's just solve this now. Past is the past

Well, if Brian is town, scum CAN quickhammer me.

[Dandelion Wine]

I mean the entire thing revovled around Bell and uh... yeah.

I corkboarded an entire scumteam and then he flipped town sooo I mostly just wanted to post it to not have wasted the effort.

[Dandelion Wine]

Okay owl.

Do you think that it's possible Dunn AND LLD are town here (As opposed to just dunn), and I'm just tunneled?

Dunn is claiming quite a few things in the purple room and LLD appears to be confirming these are things that happened.

[Dandelion Wine]

Votes still work like you're in your respective timeline.

[Dandelion Wine]

I do have a master role list from the Deacon-Dunn-Wine neighborhood, yes.

[Dandelion Wine]

I'm fine with voting LLD, Gyx, or A50 today.

Brian if you had to name the other three scum who would they be?

I'm not sure, but my reads look like this:

Spiffeh, Annie, Dunn
Menalque
------------------------
Super,

Dandelion

, Fire
Pooky, Midway
Almost, Gyx, LLD

With what I hope are all the scum being below the dotted line. My main goal right now is just eliminating enough scum to get to Muffin, and then hopefully using him to get us to NachoTammy.

VOTE: Dandelion Wine

Square this circle for me?

[Dandelion Wine]

I do have a master role list from the Deacon-Dunn-Wine neighborhood, yes.

Awesome can I get that

And results spif

Yeah. Let me grab it.

[Dandelion Wine]

im not really succeeding at keeping up but i dont understand how anything is gained by rushing this phase calm the fuck down
-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

Living slots and their claims:

Almost50 - Tracker-Transmitter, started forwards.
superbowl9 - RB in Forwards, started backwards. (Blocked GYPYX N3)
Firebringer - Claimed then retracted cop in forwards role, started backwards. Current claim VT/VT?
Lady Lambdadelta - Claimed Gunsmith, N1 Fire Inno, N2 Peta guilty.... No idea what her N3 result is?
Annie Edison (notscience/The Bulge) - Tracker-receiver in both timezones, started backwards.
Spiffeh - Forwards VT, Backwards Vanilla Cop
Hench Princesses (Now Mean) - Ceph's pocket scum read. Claimed forwards VT, backwards sensor, iirc?
Brian Skies - Proven (at least 1) 1-shot bonus turnstile enabler
Deacon Wine - 2-shot Purple Room joiner (N1 used, second shot still in reserve)
Pooky - VT/VT
Midwaybears - VT in backwards, ??? in forwards
Gypyx - VT/VT
Dunn- 3 shot cross-timeline neighborizer (N1 Wine, N2 Deacon, N3 no shot)

[Dandelion Wine]

Living slots and their claims:

Almost50 - Tracker-Transmitter, started forwards.
superbowl9 - RB in Forwards, started backwards. (Blocked GYPYX N3)
Firebringer - Claimed then retracted cop in forwards role, started backwards. Current claim VT/VT?
Lady Lambdadelta - Claimed Gunsmith, N1 Fire Inno, N2 Peta guilty.... No idea what her N3 result is?
Annie Edison (notscience/The Bulge) - Tracker-receiver in both timezones, started backwards.
Spiffeh - Forwards VT, Backwards Vanilla Cop
Hench Princesses (Now Mean) - Ceph's pocket scum read. Claimed forwards VT, backwards sensor, iirc?
Brian Skies - Proven (at least 1) 1-shot bonus turnstile enabler
Deacon Wine - 2-shot Purple Room joiner (N1 used, second shot still in reserve)
Pooky - VT/VT
Midwaybears - VT in backwards, ??? in forwards
Gypyx - VT/VT
Dunn- 3 shot cross-timeline neighborizer (N1 Wine, N2 Deacon, N3 no shot)

New page so it isnt lost.

[Dandelion Wine]

Hench Princesses (Now Mean) - Ceph's pocket scum read. Claimed forwards VT, backwards sensor, iirc?

SENSOR?? WTF

Because it's like, chocolate townie level of power

whatever

I'm "inverted motion detector" -- I figure given the preponderance of much better power in the wrong timeline, I'm definitely the lowest priority turnstile, and maybe even a quasi-miller since dumb people might think motion detector is like a non trash role or something.

I've been debating claiming fruit vendor as like a gambit on a later dayphase but I think my energy level for big brain plays is probably tapped out at this point. I'm pretty sure the only actual use of my my power is to -check rolecop accuracy and -check trackers/watcher accuracy -maybe do a lulzgambit

Spoiler:

(I also actually did not even see the inverted motion detector part until halfway through day 1 and actually thought I was just a VT...)

Sorry, mispoke. Motion Detecter.

[Dandelion Wine]

Hi I just want to know why Cabd is asking for me

Wasn’t he scumreading me

I haven't been ever since I re-evaluated, dummy face. (getting yelled at by mafia mom and dad probably helped too)

You're very clearly marked as NOT scum in my final herosolve of Night 3.

[Dandelion Wine]

Notsci I get it I was at work for hours today. Ping me when you're home. One last heart to heart between heroes.

[Dandelion Wine]

Is Dunn’s role confirmed?

Literally three different ways.

My confirming it happened.

Deacon confirming it happened.

Notsci tracking dunn to me N1.

[Dandelion Wine]

I’m wondering if there’s a PT spy tbh

I doubt it.

~TDB

And it was claimed by this slot, no? Making this post kinda weird

Keep reading my ISO. I essentially told them my role in depth using metaphors, that fferybork and tammycho could also grok.

[Dandelion Wine]

Mwb is probably scum too if it’s true that he was scumreading pooky and then just... spontaneously voted with him in lylo

His most recent post about Pooky-read before timeline merge is here:

I want Pooky to die because he never seems to be in the conversation anymore (both literally and the conversation to be hanged) and I'm finding that suspicious. I also don't think any of his content reads townie to me. He just ATE last night without really giving any reads. Sure, he said he didn't have any, but I would expect town Pooky to at least be doing something to try to get better reads instead of just lurking.

But I don't know.... he backed off of me when he didn't have to today.

[Dandelion Wine]

Retiring to bed, phone poet mode now.

[Dandelion Wine]

I appreciate the help on things that have happened and when as I’m trying to catch up but you should know that there is still a BIG question mark for me when it comes to whether you’re town

I am quite aware but I am doing my best to win anyways?


Like if you end up voting me then it's probably just over but whatever. I can't stop you from doing that. I can just try my heart out. It's the only thing I've had this game, for all it's given me. (Bumpkis)

[Dandelion Wine]

Didn't bring it up before because it didn't really matter but ceph didn't realize that was hammer, as opposed to L-1. I was functionally melting down to him on discord then fell asleep, and he decided to vote both of them.


What's done is done, so yeah. Can't unfuck that.

[Dandelion Wine]

It was uh. Like four am I was up waffling to him.

My sleep schedule this game has been shit.

[Dandelion Wine]

Right well Spiffeh claimed the other way so who knows. Could be mod being inconsistent. Could be something unique to only the cross-thread roles.

[Dandelion Wine]

Dandelion and I guess others, was midway pushing you at all yesterday/on days previous to yesterday?

Post 7774 in the backwards thread, is his most recent mention of me which was essentially "I am following Deacon for my Wine read so I might look there later."

Most of day three posting was solely focused on demanding Pooky blood.

[Dandelion Wine]

Dandelion and I guess others, was midway pushing you at all yesterday/on days previous to yesterday?

Post 7774 in the backwards thread, is his most recent mention of me which was essentially "I am following Deacon for my Wine read so I might look there later."

Most of day three posting was solely focused on demanding Pooky blood.

[Dandelion Wine]

power's back. did you guys know that light and heat are actually really good? im a big fan

well, brian was my strongest townread going into today, but his trajectory to get to a vote on us makes no sense & this reinforces our feeling that we have been intended as the game losing ML for days now, as supported by the kill on deacon too. actually brian's trajectory just doesn't exist at all, which i think someone pointed out. maybe LLD yelled at him in the scum thread until he did it, for some reason, which matches up with him then dipping for the night which is not a town process at all here. or he's just town that's thrown the game away, which i guess whatever we were going to lose anyway.

i have not read most of the thread. i don't feel comfortable voting without cabd signing off on it in this situation but consider me there in spirit.
-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

lld not being the main wagon today is awfully reminiscent of everyone suspecting pooky all game and him just sort of magically living (hot tip: it's because he is scum)

it's almost like it's all the same playbook or something

W E I R D
-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

Mass claim just seems like a distraction though

?????????????????????
-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

VOTE: Dandelion Wine

UNVOTE: Dandelion Wine
Seems to be ignoring this whole mess we are in which is scummy.

UNVOTE: Dandelion Wine

welcome to the rebellion

how did this give no one hives lmao
-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

well i did say i hadnt read the whole thread yet WOOFBRINGER
i didnt remember it coming up when i skimmed b4 tho
-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

do vanilla cops have guns?
-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

ok i caught up

maybe there is enough sense in this town to turn this around. hoping brian is just scum, but it's possible scum are just scared to go for it
-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

i hate hero solving. i don't think unflipped associatives are useful, although they do have more merit in elo than any other time bc you kinda have to. right now i'm on
lld, pooky, midway, brian
and then like i don't know who to put in the other spots. a50? hp slot?

brian & a50 doesn't seem the most plausible but i didn't think brian was scum until just now and i am still in a tizzy about it. that list also probably has too many forwards ppl. im not rly worrying about the tail end right this second i guess, the only slot that's totally off the table for me is dunn. i also recognize it's possible one of the apparently many reasons we haven't been killed might be in the hopes of me voting the hp slot at the first opportunity

cabd contributed nothing to this post in any way tho and he's more of the theorizer

-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

ok superbowl openwolving now very nice

how so?
-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

Pooky next time you’re here can you run me through why dandelion is scum again?

dandelion is scum because cabd is like this super paragon of mafia hunters who doesn't miss like 15 times in a row or whatever we are up to?

like imagine we're french peasants and there ain't been bread for the last 5 years, at some point it's time to stop eating the cake ok?

Why do you refuse to apply this logic to LLD, an even stronger town player?

-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

well, brian was my strongest townread going into today, but his trajectory to get to a vote on us makes no sense & this reinforces our feeling that we have been intended as the game losing ML for days now, as supported by the kill on deacon too. actually brian's trajectory just doesn't exist at all, which i think someone pointed out. maybe LLD yelled at him in the scum thread until he did it, for some reason, which matches up with him then dipping for the night which is not a town process at all here. or he's just town that's thrown the game away, which i guess whatever we were going to lose anyway.

like what is this.

the scum team decided to set you up as the game losing ML because they knew you would not be able to find any of them? lol really?

That's like the King complaining that the Weather Gods have been plotting to overthrow the Monarchy and that's why there's no bread for the peasants.

Yes, you're right, there's no chance they could've looked at our reads and said, "oh nice, these are wrong, let's take advantage."

Obviously I dont mean since before the game started.
-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

Pooky next time you’re here can you run me through why dandelion is scum again?

dandelion is scum because cabd is like this super paragon of mafia hunters who doesn't miss like 15 times in a row or whatever we are up to?

like imagine we're french peasants and there ain't been bread for the last 5 years, at some point it's time to stop eating the cake ok?

Why do you refuse to apply this logic to LLD, an even stronger town player?

-ceph

Also, deacon was a strong town player who has been pretty wrong this game. Doesn't that prove it's possible? Scum have done a good job playing around us, who ever they are, probably on purpose
-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

Yeah I mean why risk a won game on quickhammering at this point. And maybe their schedules dont match or they can't talk to each other.

I mean also Brian is probably scum, but I acknowledge it's possible he isn't.
-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

Why do you refuse to apply this logic to LLD, an even stronger town player?

We can apply it to LLD too if you'd like.

I would, I thought I was being pretty clear about that
-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

UNVOTE: brian

Shrug emoji
-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

The fact that LLD isnt dead yet is sheer madness. What the fuck are any of you doing? How is it even remotely possible that no one seems to care about this?

-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

Don't worry Cephy she is my ideal lim for today

I just see no reason to rush anything

I mean neither do I but here's her presumably scumbuddy going for the kill and I can probably be excused for not being a fan

Ceph I am slightly concerned that Cabd is not raging and going completely scorched earth at the fact that you guys could be the potential mislim in LYLO

Help me feel better

I mean he's not really here right now. Mind his content when he shows up if you want but the dude is busy.

-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

Are you pondering what I'm pondering?

I think so, Brain, but how on earth are we going to find a horse big enough?

[Dandelion Wine]

Hi. *waves*

I'm back. It's been an extremely busy past few days that culminated in me being sick from work for two workdays due to overload, and then an on call mess. I've been asleep most of today but here I am.

[Dandelion Wine]

I was partially hoping that the game would have ended with the co-ordinated quick (slow?) hammer on us to end the misery and that Brian was just town. That is obviously not the case, given the game is still running after my absence and after ceph dumped an (un)vote on Brian.

So I'm gonna try and motivate myself one last time to win this. And hope that it resonates. Or die trying.

[Dandelion Wine]

At this point, voting outside of {wine, brian} is fairly pointless given game state. Win or lose, there's no sense dragging this out till the last second.

Sucks, but itiswhatitis.jpg

[Dandelion Wine]

could any head of DW try to case brian, or link me to an alrezdy existing case ples

Yeah I don't really have one. I'll make one, but tbh I was townreading him going into the day. He was firmly in the "town votes that could be a mis-execute vote source" pile I made:

Spoiler:

[img][img]https://i.imgur.com/hDlDCYI.png[/img][/img]

Obviously, this is no longer the case. I just pray everyone left sees it.

[Dandelion Wine]

Wow it really nuked my image tags there. Oh well. Point stands.

[Dandelion Wine]

He's scum, like very obviously so, but voting him or a50 or any other person right now is suboptimal :/

[Dandelion Wine]

"Him" is pooky in that quote.

[Dandelion Wine]

i can only assume there is a scum motivated incentive for him gladiating us to try to end it now since as i've previously noted it makes no sense at all

-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

I’m not betting the game on “oh maybe scum have a results inverter”

So again, the question is: does anyone have a *plausible* way that lld is town after a false guilty?

no, because she isn't

-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

have we considered LLD's results are flipped because she's in the inverted timeline?

if so, then why hasn't this happened to anyone else?

-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

I feel like that vote deserved a comment.

VOTE: Brian

-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

UNVOTE: Brian Skies yeah this can go back on, Ceph is dumb.