BooneyToonz XV: Dance of the Dark Fairy [Third Moonlight]

[Toogeloo]

Miller Claim

[Toogeloo]

If we have a Vigilante, and at any point I'm not proving myself town enough, put a bullet in me.

[Toogeloo]

That's a pretty quick response to my first post claim.

[Toogeloo]

@Bell: I don't think I've ever claimed Miller as Scum, but I have claimed Survivor.

[Toogeloo]

@Bell: I don't think I've ever claimed Miller as Scum, but I have claimed Survivor.

Would you ever claim miller right out the gate like that as scum as your own idea as scum?

-bell

Hell no.

I'm far too passive of a player. I fully expect to be vigged if we have one.

[Toogeloo]

I'm far too passive of a player. I fully expect to be vigged if we have one.

w8 are you committing to miller claim then?

Did you really entertain the possibility it was a joke?

[Toogeloo]

For anyone who cares, my role flavor is Dragon, Mythical Creature.

[Toogeloo]

flavor text?

I'm considered a legendary creature, and the flavor goes on to to describe typical dragon-like attributes. It also states that believing in dragons didn't come from (what I'm going to assume) dinosaurs.

[Toogeloo]

-->Mod posts something saying Town are Mythical Creatures.
-->Toog posts something saying they are a Legendary Creature.
--> Oops.

Try harder.

[Toogeloo]

For anyone who cares, my role flavor is Dragon, Mythical Creature.

[Toogeloo]

If scum have daytalk, scum!Sam could easily prep her team for this.

The time the role PMs went out to the time the game started was almost exactly two hours, but probably less than that since all role PMs weren't simultaneously released. Plus the game started with not every player confirmed.

I really don't think scum would have had enough time to pre-plan or prep anything. If anything, I think Sam's push for this info is more likely town related, and my first instinct was if there was a Creature scanner of some type, this might prove useful down the line. The possibility of no safe claims for Scum could also have made it beneficial and so players who freely gave their creature lore could probably be seen as more likely town than scum as well, though "vague" claims should be taken with salt. A Horse claim (for example since I think this was later clarified by the slot) could be changed to Pegasus, Unicorn, Centaur, or the like at a later time once more claims were revealed.

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Maybe it's from buddying and I'm blind to it, but I am baffled at the Bell votes.

I find Bell's comments to be scummier than anything Ircher posted

Oddly people are scum reading the slot due to Bell's posts, but if either head was scummier, I would have said Ircher's due to the self vote while under pressure and what appears to be intentional dissonance almost as if he wants the slot to appear at odds with it's self.

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Flea's been posting elsewhere today. Almost50 hasn't been online for 5 days.

The fact that you are paying attention to people's attendance when sorting is a bit odd. Was time of Flea's postings vs. when this game started to now indicative of this read as well? Why are most of your scumspects LHF or not yet active?

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There are certain aspects of Noraa's play which always ping me as scummy, mostly because I hate noise in games. I did find it odd that Noraa stated getting a "green pm" when it's clearly white, even in the Sample PM and by the host's own words. Noraa is a self admitted "town-slip faker," to appear more town as scum. I'd argue if Noraa uses this frequently, then this just more points at a scum-Angel.

VOTE: Angel Wings

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Just a reminder that Flea uses fea/fear pronouns and Toog uses they

For the record, I only put THEY in there to help remind me that I should more than likely use THEY myself for anyone I'm not sure of because I don't pay attention to gender of the players. I find THEY to be less likely to draw ire from other players, so if I'm in doubt, I always use THEY or the player's name. it's a generic enough usage of a pronoun that I think would get me in the least amount of trouble. When it comes to me in particular though, I am not offended by any pronoun usage, and couldn't care less if I was called HE/SHE/THEY/THAT/ASSHAT/FAE/WEEB/IT.

[Toogeloo]

I believe them when they said they wouldn't claim PGO if they knew it was banned.

That could even fall under the town-slip category as well.

Ok so summary of that huge wall ...

Bell/Ircher are super scummy

but Vote: Noraa

I did not call Bell/Ircher scum. Reread what I said.

[Toogeloo]

I kinda messed up on my gambit here but like you really think scum!me is going to decide to fake claim something, tell the scum pt, and no ones gonna realize that the damn role can't exist in this setup?

Well, there are some fallacies with this line of thinking. First off, as I mentioned, the roles and hoods had barely been available for two hours or less before the game even started. Secondly, some players

still

have yet to confirm and could theoretically be part of a yet to be active scum team. But more importantly, the delivery of the claim followed by subsequent posts almost suggests you were going to ride it out and it wasn't meant to be fake. If you hadn't been called out on the banned role, you were riding a claim that wouldn't want to be targeted during Stasis.

[Toogeloo]

The point being you claimed something that doesn't want to be targeted at night. Who's afraid of being targeted at night?

[Toogeloo]

@Bell: I don't think I've ever claimed Miller as Scum, but I have claimed Survivor.

Would you ever claim miller right out the gate like that as scum as your own idea as scum?

-bell

Hell no.

I'm far too passive of a player. I fully expect to be vigged if we have one.

Is you getting limmed/vigged as both alignments common?

-Henry

You can check my wiki.

[Toogeloo]

Lol noob title.

I still have JOAT title too lol.

[Toogeloo]

So, has the Sequence wagon evolved past, "they're scummy," to having actual cases yet? Cuz it's still kind of a dumb wagon and you can feel the apathy in the thread.

[Toogeloo]

Hmm... I thought I was voting Angel

Whatever, not important.

Vote: Special BROvert Ops

The only person on the wagon I am currently sus of is MC, but SBO's slot is definitely worth either pressuring or limming because their commentary currently is pretty generic and fluffy.

It's a better wagon than Sequence by far as well.

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Something about MC rubs me wrong with the coasting attitude.

[Toogeloo]

There's actually a lot of people coasting in this game tbqh.

[Toogeloo]

There's actually a lot of people coasting in this game tbqh.

like you?

If I'm a detriment, lynch me today. Do it before other claims are forced out and give scum information. Use Night 1 for power roles to help solve the game going into Night 2.

[Toogeloo]

Town reads for me...

Sequence
Samantha
Lunar Martian
Flea (slightly)

Scum read
Angel

Cautiously watching
Titus
Cakez
RCE
Rei & Asuka
MC

Null reads on everyone else.

[Toogeloo]

It's my gut shot scum read. Didn't like the entrance, and not entirely sure why it's excused by many and hand waved away. Noraa posts are hard to parse, and I think mom has to come in and do damage control which isn't something a hydra should have to worry about. Activity mostly consists of "Sequence is scum guys!"

I dislike the vehement push on Sequence without casing them either. All I've seen is Ircher posting comparisons between games.

[Toogeloo]

Cheesus.

What'd I miss? Like 20 pages in 12 hours.

[Toogeloo]

Ooo... Titus and Mathblade in the same game?!? I wanna see some sibling rivalry, or bonding, or whatever.

Gonna go back and do a quick skim.

[Toogeloo]

Samantha is hardlock town for me. Liking unwnd less.

There seems to be a lot of solving based on previous Boonz games, which seems like a mistake to me. Games should be solved in a bubble because they are balanced within that bubble, and you have players like me who have zero experience with other Boonz games (I can't be expected to go read other games to have insight with this game).

[Toogeloo]

I like Samantha for trying, but not the Mass Claim idea.

[Toogeloo]

I think sequence is 3p so VOTE: Sequence for now. I want them to claim if this is the case.

Why are you hunting 3rd party?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MURDERCAT

[Toogeloo]

Why are you hunting 3rd party?

Is there a reason not to?

There's no confirmation of 3rd party. Scum also find it easier to engage in hunting and looking town if they are trying to find 3rd party. You were far too casual up until you started pushing the 3rd party thing, then your hunting activity went up.

[Toogeloo]

I'm willing to loosen up my Angel read.

Town:
Samantha
Sequence
Lunar Martian
SirCakez
Flea the Magician

Scum:
MurderCat
Unwnd
Nylaathria (lean)
Angel (lean)

No strong feelings on anyone else.

[Toogeloo]

Toog back off me for now please

You worried about the one vote on you?

I don't like the other current prospects, so what incentive do I have?

[Toogeloo]

MC, you know I'm too passive to chew on you like a dog on a bone. I require other people to see my point of view and back me up. I'm not entirely sure why you are afraid/worried about me.

[Toogeloo]

I'm not gonna lie that I'm sorting this game in my head like 'who agrees with me/making good pushes' vs. 'who doesnt agree/making bad pushes'

It's a selfish way but this is a very selfish game

It's motivation I look for, and Cakez has been offering me town motivated reads.

[Toogeloo]

Cakez has posted several things that give me a town agenda vibe. That's all I care about. The burden of proof that they are scum will have to come from you.

[Toogeloo]

It would be kind of nice to not respond to posts one by one from the beginning Math, especially if some of the things you are analyzing have been brought up by others and moved on from.

Could you do some, at least slightly, larger catch up posts so as to not inflate the thread?

[Toogeloo]

Isn't it frustrating when other players don't see what you see?

[Toogeloo]

Would love a votecount

nth'd

[Toogeloo]

I went back and reread Norwee's posts. Honestly, I don't see much of value there other than a lot of noise early in the game with little to nothing to show for it.

I think I'd be fine with a Math lim today.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mathblade

Titus was defending her broski earlier, requesting Math not be strung up Day 1. Worth keeping in mind.

My *ahem* math might be off, but that should/could be L-2.

[Toogeloo]

Ok, honestly... Yeah.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nylaathria

I'm thinking this is the right play. I won't be around Sunday, so I'd much rather have my vote here.

[Toogeloo]

WTF people. I'm not going back and reading 50 pages. I'm going to out on a limb and psychically sum it up.

*Anyone suggests any name to be lynched*
*Someone else says there is no way we lynch that name*
*This goes on for the last 120 pages*

Am I caught up?

[Toogeloo]

NO ONE FUCKING CLAIM PTS OR WHAT FLAVOR U HAVE OR THE NAMES OF UR PTS SCUM PROB HAVE ABILITIES THAT WORK WITH THEM AND I HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE THIS AS WELL BASED ON A CLAIM IN ONE OF MY HOODS

If scum are in PTs, they don't need town to out the Pats, they can just inform each other in scum chat.

I'm not in any PTs. I'm surprised at how many PTs there are.

[Toogeloo]

Skimming over Koba's posts and I'm getting the impression they are trolling town.

[Toogeloo]

Honestly, if we don't have enough associatives going into Day 2 by this point, what the hell are people still looking for before we close out the day?

[Toogeloo]

VOTE: flea
This fucking game

Vote Special BROvert Ops instead of Flea. Your vote just keeps three wagons in contention.

We need to start consolidating votes and remove vanity wagons.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Special BROvert Ops

[Toogeloo]

Can someone sum up all the hurt and heal tags I saw in the (extremely quick because I didn't read it) skim.

[Toogeloo]

Can u stop using the fucking word lynch

What's wrong with it? Is this another progressive move I missed?

[Toogeloo]

Hurt = Think is scum
Heal = Want as town leader
~Ircher

Did we ever do anything with this information?

[Toogeloo]

I really think we need to pick a wagon here. There is MORE than enough information from today to build associatives, make choices for night actions, and build cases for tomorrow.

Pick one:
RCEnigma
Special BROvert Ops

Vote it and end this fucking day.

[Toogeloo]

Stop being a snowflake. Start compromising.

[Toogeloo]

This isn't Burger King people. You can't always have it your way.

[Toogeloo]

RCEnigma (-45%)

See, 4th from the bottom. Vote it. Don't be a snowflake.

[Toogeloo]

Reiterating this again.

RCEnigma and SBO are the two leading wagons. If you are not voting one, pick one and vote it, or explain why BOTH are town.

End This Day.

[Toogeloo]

That's a quote of the sample PM.

[Toogeloo]

There is MORE than enough information from today to build associatives, make choices for night actions, and build cases for tomorrow.

Pick one:
RCEnigma
Special BROvert Ops

Vote it and end this fucking day

.

[Toogeloo]

I'm going to requote this over and over.

[Toogeloo]

I'm taking a break while I determine whether or not I want to replace out of this very unfun and unfriendly game.

[Toogeloo]

Unofficial Vote Count

RCEnigma [4]: Lunar Martian, Flea the Magician, Sequence, Angel Warriors,
Special BROvert Ops [4]: Titus, Toogeloo, Samantha97, Murdercat,
Flea the Magician [2]: Unwnd, SirCakez,
Samantha97 [1]: Special BROvert Ops
Mathblade [1]: Nylaathria,
Sequence [1]: Dkkoba,

Not Voting [3]: RCEnigma, Rei and Asuka, Mathblade,

[Toogeloo]

There is MORE than enough information from today to build associatives, make choices for night actions, and build cases for tomorrow.

Pick one:
RCEnigma
Special BROvert Ops

Vote it and end this fucking day

.

[Toogeloo]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: RCEnigma

Unofficial Vote Count

RCEnigma [6]:

Lunar Martian, Flea the Magician, Sequence, Angel Warriors, Mathblade, Toogeloo,

Special BROvert Ops [3]:

Titus, Samantha97, Murdercat,

Flea the Magician [2]:

Unwnd, SirCakez,

Titus [1]:

Special BROvert Ops

Mathblade [1]:

Nylaathria,

Sequence [1]:

Dkkoba,

Not Voting [2]:

RCEnigma, Rei and Asuka,

[Toogeloo]

RCEnigma at L-2

[Toogeloo]

unwnd and murdercat have both expressed that they would hammer anything I believe, and neither is on the wagon. I'd assume at this point you should claim RCE.

[Toogeloo]

Full Claim RCE.

Unless you're a Beloved Princess on top of that partial claim, you have nothing worth holding on to that tops all the other shit in thread.

[Toogeloo]

I think RCE is town and I accept my Crow Happy Meal if he isn't

So you won't hammer to end the day?

[Toogeloo]

I don't pretend to know anything about the inner workings of boon games, but can't we have up to 3 boon bank roles, with a minimum of 1 and 2 variants?

[Toogeloo]

Unofficial Vote Count

RCEnigma [7]:

Lunar Martian, Flea the Magician, Angel Warriors, Mathblade, Toogeloo, SirCakez, Sequence,

Special BROvert Ops [3]:

Titus, Samantha97, Murdercat,

Flea the Magician [2]:

Unwnd,

Titus [1]:

Special BROvert Ops

Mathblade [1]:

Nylaathria,

Sequence [1]:

Dkkoba,

Not Voting [3]:

RCEnigma, Rei and Asuka,

[Toogeloo]

I'll be honest, the boon rules and massively modified roles are making my head spin a bit.

[Toogeloo]

Unofficial Vote Count

RCEnigma [8]:

Lunar Martian, Flea the Magician, Angel Warriors, Mathblade, Toogeloo, SirCakez, Sequence, Unwnd,

Special BROvert Ops [3]:

Titus, Samantha97, Murdercat,

Titus [1]:

Special BROvert Ops

Mathblade [1]:

Nylaathria,

Sequence [1]:

Dkkoba,

Not Voting [3]:

RCEnigma, Rei and Asuka,

[Toogeloo]

RCENIGMA IS AT L-1

[Toogeloo]

Are we really doing this...?

[Toogeloo]

Unofficial Vote Count

RCEnigma [6]:

Lunar Martian, Flea the Magician, Angel Warriors, Mathblade, Toogeloo, SirCakez,

Special BROvert Ops [3]:

Titus, Samantha97, Murdercat,

Titus [1]:

Special BROvert Ops

Mathblade [1]:

Nylaathria,

Sequence [1]:

Dkkoba,

SirCakez [1]:

Unwnd,

Not Voting [3]:

RCEnigma, Rei and Asuka, Sequence,

[Toogeloo]

Honestly, I think Koba is toxic and probably at the root of a lot of the town dissension.

[Toogeloo]

Honestly, I think Koba is toxic and probably at the root of a lot of the town dissension.

VOTE: Koba

Flashwagon?

Is this a policy lynch?

[Toogeloo]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DkKoba

Unofficial Vote Count

RCEnigma [5]:

Lunar Martian, Flea the Magician, Angel Warriors, Mathblade,

DkKoba [3]:

Titus, Unwnd, Toogeloo,

Special BROvert Ops [2]:

Samantha97, Murdercat,

Titus [1]:

Special BROvert Ops

Mathblade [1]:

Nylaathria,

Sequence [1]:

Dkkoba,

Not Voting [4]:

RCEnigma, Rei and Asuka, Sequence, SirCakez,

[Toogeloo]

Unofficial Vote Count

RCEnigma [5]:

Lunar Martian, Flea the Magician, Angel Warriors, Mathblade, Samantha97,

DkKoba [4]:

Titus, Unwnd, Toogeloo, SirCakez,

Special BROvert Ops [1]:

Murdercat,

Titus [1]:

Special BROvert Ops

Mathblade [1]:

Nylaathria,

Sequence [1]:

Dkkoba,

Not Voting [3]:

RCEnigma, Rei and Asuka, Sequence,

[Toogeloo]

I'll be doing UVCs for as long as I'm alive and the game is moving this quick.

No slants at the host, but a game this active should have had more VCs.

[Toogeloo]

And with that, no wagon is halfway to launch anymore.

[Toogeloo]

The only scum case I can come to on koba is they are intentionally sowing chaos. That said, I dislike the way they talk to people and their Charisma stat is effectively zero. The only posts I can ever think about from them are always along the vein of "It's my way or the highway, you're an idiot, fuck off." If they are trying to lead town, they are acting like the worst kind of management using vinegar to attract the flies instead of honey.

I am on the wagon as a policy vote mostly and trying to justify the way they play as scum motivated.

[Toogeloo]

ok, sure.

[Toogeloo]

Unofficial Vote Count

RCEnigma [4]:

Lunar Martian, Flea the Magician, Mathblade, Samantha97,

DkKoba [3]:

Titus, Unwnd, Toogeloo,

Sequence [3]:

Dkkoba, Angel Warriors, RCEnigma,

Special BROvert Ops [1]:

Murdercat,

Titus [1]:

Special BROvert Ops

Mathblade [1]:

Nylaathria,

Not Voting [4]:

Rei and Asuka, Sequence, SirCakez,

[Toogeloo]

oh hey i got the jack of all trades title during this game. nice.

I almost get the impression that dkkoba is flooding the topic to get the Survivor Title faster.

[Toogeloo]

I think all the hoods should be made public. Several already have been.

Scum will already know the compositions of hoods since they likely have a member or two in each one. People in some hoods with people in outed hoods of other people in their hoods are likely putting lists together as well. I have no hood, and I feel like half the shit posted and reads made in this game are based on things happening in hoods.

[Toogeloo]

Unofficial Vote Count

DkKoba [4]:

Titus, Unwnd, Toogeloo, Samantha97,

RCEnigma [3]:

Lunar Martian, Flea the Magician, Mathblade,

Sequence [3]:

Dkkoba, Angel Warriors, RCEnigma,

Special BROvert Ops [2]:

Murdercat, Rei and Asuka,

Titus [1]:

Special BROvert Ops

Mathblade [1]:

Nylaathria,

Not Voting [4]:

Sequence, SirCakez,

[Toogeloo]

What is "dubbed" mean?

[Toogeloo]

But currently we seem to be listening to Toog?

I don't think anyone is really listening to me, and I've actually had some people (koba) straight up tell me that I am not someone allowed to lead anything. That being said, all I'm trying to do is keep people informed of where the votes stand, when lead changes happen, and when people are close to being launched.

I think an issue we had for the first 120 pages is that votes were moving back and forth so frequently, with so few vote counts in between, that no one has been willing to get a wagon going for long enough to squeeze people for info.

[Toogeloo]

I'm actually impressed that RCEnigma got to L-1 at all, and despite a ton of reservation about the claim, and even the push to being 1 vote away from launching after the claim, they are now not even top 2 launch candidate.

RCEnigma has since disappeared now that the heat is no longer there and Titus and koba now eat up the attention in the thread.

This snapshot of the past few pages is basically speaking volumes as to the gamestate as a whole. There are not enough people willing to push a launch through on the same name. Everyone has their own agenda with not enough people having room for compromise long enough to actually get things done.

The moment we get close to coming together, other players audibly voice their disgust, attacks begin, cold feet happen, and the whole thing comes crumbling down, and we are back to where we were 100 pages ago.

[Toogeloo]

Do you think RCE is like a recruitable third party or just came up with an unusually good fakeclaim? Or like what are you saying here? I feel like you have implications but I struggle to follow where you're going

It's just an observation. I think there is something scummy about it in general though.

*RCEnigma doesn't contribute much prior to being L-2.
*A decent amount of time is taken between
---I don't want to claim.
---First half of claim.
---second half of claim.
*RCEnigma gets to L-1
*One person unvotes
*Wagon completely dissolves
*RCEnigma stops posting

[Toogeloo]

Unofficial Vote Count

Sequence [5]:

Dkkoba, Angel Warriors, RCEnigma, Special BROvert Ops, SirCakez,

DkKoba [4]:

Titus, Unwnd, Toogeloo, Samantha97,

RCEnigma [3]:

Lunar Martian, Flea the Magician, Mathblade,

Special BROvert Ops [2]:

Murdercat, Rei and Asuka,

Mathblade [1]:

Nylaathria,

Not Voting [1]:

Sequence,

I will make this official down the line.

[Toogeloo]

Can anyone do me a favor and post a list of all known claims (partial, full, whatever), and disclosed hoods?

[Toogeloo]

I found this...

Claimed
Rei and Asuka [Ydrasse + Asuka] - Ascetic
Chromium\Dkkoba - Kelpie (flavor)
Titus - some kind of Miller + Centaur (flavor)
Toogeloo - Miller + Dragon (flavor)
RCEnigma - Pegasus (flavor)
Angel Warriors [Momrangel + Noraa] - something punishing to visitors (Paranoid Gun Owner rescinded)
NorwegianBoyEE - some kind of Paranoid Gun Owner

Unclaimed
SirCakez
Special BROvert Ops [Almost50 + Gamma Emerald]
Lunar Martian
Nylaathria
Flea The Magician
Sequence [Ircher + Bell]
MURDERCAT
Klick\Unwnd

But it seems largely incomplete.

[Toogeloo]

Unofficial Vote Count

Sequence [5]:

Dkkoba, Angel Warriors,

RCEnigma, Special BROvert Ops, SirCakez,

DkKoba

[4]:

Titus,

Unwnd,

Toogeloo, Samantha97,

RCEnigma [3]:

Lunar Martian

, Flea the Magician, Mathblade,

Special BROvert Ops [2]:

Murdercat,

Rei and Asuka,

Mathblade [1]:

Nylaathria,

Not Voting [1]:

Sequence

Not very helpful but it'd be nice if unwnd would stop voting koba and would join me on Brovert so that could be the leading counter-wagon to Sequence

-A

I think this is bad wagon analysis.

First off, if anything, Sequence is the counter to dkkoba. Remember though that these wagons came from what was originally RCEnigma vs. SBO. RCEnigma got to L-1 before everyone ejected and went separate ways. dkkoba became a tying wagon, eventually pulled to the lead, and then Sequence came from 1 vote to 5 in a matter of a couple pages.

[Toogeloo]

Claimed
Rei and Asuka [Ydrasse + Asuka] - Ascetic
---Masons with Nylaathria?
Nylaathria -
---Masons with Rei and Asuka?
Dkkoba - Vanilla Townie
Titus - Role Cop
Toogeloo - Miller
RCEnigma - Symbiotic Innocent Child for Hood only
Angel Warriors [Momrangel + Noraa] - moonlit amnesiac (aka) delayed informed mutation

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What hoods have been revealed?

What hoods are RCEnigma in that if his IC status triggered that it might actually matter?

[Toogeloo]

I honestly feel like RCEs claim is just too odd, too limiting, the wagon dissipation followed by his disappearance afterwards, it's all just a bit concerning.

[Toogeloo]

I don't get what you mean by too limiting?

You target one person one time.
You or them have to be target for investigation.
---what qualifies? Cop only? Role Cop?
Any investigation at all on either you or your symbiote allows you to claim IC in your Hood.
---Are you just in the one hood?
---How do you get to claim it? Quote your Role PM, or does the Mod do it for you?
What good does being an IC do in just your hood?
---Why would you NOT want to claim on Day 1 when your hood is at it's fullest?
---How many of the people in your thread can you even trust?

[Toogeloo]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: RCEnigma[/unvote]

I'm not really sure I buy the claim, I distrust how quiet RCE got after the wagon dissipated (or how quick it dissipated), on top of the amount of time it took for him to claim.

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Unofficial Vote Count

Sequence [5]:

Dkkoba, Angel Warriors, RCEnigma, Special BROvert Ops, SirCakez,

RCEnigma [4]:

Lunar Martian, Flea the Magician, Mathblade, Toogeloo,

Special BROvert Ops [3]:

Murdercat, Rei and Asuka, Titus,

DkKoba [2]:

Samantha97,

Mathblade [1]:

Nylaathria,

Not Voting [2]:

Sequence, Unwnd,

[Toogeloo]

VOTE: RCEnigma

[Toogeloo]

Can we get some more votes on the BROS?

I'll vote there if people legit think I'm crazy with this read on RCEnigma.

[Toogeloo]

[Toogeloo]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Special Bro Ops

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Vote Count 1.11

Special BROvert Ops [6]:

Murdercat, Rei and Asuka, Titus, Unwnd, Lunar Martian, Toogeloo,

Sequence [5]:

Dkkoba, Angel Warriors, RCEnigma, Special BROvert Ops, SirCakez,

RCEnigma [2]:

Flea the Magician, Mathblade,

DkKoba [1]:

Samantha97,

Mathblade [1]:

Nylaathria,

Not Voting [1]:

Sequence,

With

16

alive, it takes

9

to fade.

The

First Moonlight

sets in

(expired on 2021-01-28 12:00:00)

on

January 28th

.

Mod Notes:

Gamma Emerald of Special BROvert Ops is VLA until 1/25.

[Toogeloo]

I'm out for the night.

I'm looking forward to page 200 tomorrow.

[Toogeloo]

Assuming there are scum in hoods, they already know the hood map.

[Toogeloo]

Updated Tier List

100% Town Read

Unwnd
Rei and Asuka

Strong Town Lean

Lunar Martian
Samantha97

More Than Likely Town, Needs Moar Catgifs, Less Asshattery

Dkkoba

Town Leans

SirCakez
Titus
Flea The Magician

My PoE Pool

Special BROvert Ops
Nylaathria
Sequence
RCEnigma
Murdercat
Angel Warriors
Mathblade

[Toogeloo]

Even if all the information isn't out there, there's still a lot of information already out and I don't see how this helps town.

All information helps town, or at the very least puts us on even footing in some areas with scum.

[Toogeloo]

Didn't you throw a small tantrum over the RCEnigma wagon too?

[Toogeloo]

So...

...what'd I miss?

/grin

[Toogeloo]

I'm 100% intent on lending strength to R&I and unwnd. Whatever they want, I support.

I'd like to see MC hung by his entrails and paraded around the forest possibly tomorrow though.

[Toogeloo]

They want to town over 3p

So, is this an argument about birds in hands and what not?

Knowing what you know, what's your Paragon Solve, Angel?

[Toogeloo]

Flea/MC/Sequence/???

So you think Sequence is faking a 3rd Party Claim as scum?

[Toogeloo]

Unofficial Vote Count

Special BROvert Ops [6]:

Rei and Asuka, Lunar Martian, Toogeloo, Samantha97, Nylaathria, Sequence,

Sequence [4]:

Dkkoba, RCEnigma, Titus, Angel Warriors,

Flea the Magician [3]:

Special BROvert Ops, Unwnd, SirCakez,

Samantha97 [1]:

Flea the Magician,

Not Voting [2]:

Mathblade, Murdercat,

[Toogeloo]

Well, that went in late.

[Toogeloo]

Unofficial Vote Count

Special BROvert Ops [6]:

Rei and Asuka, Lunar Martian, Toogeloo, Samantha97, Nylaathria, Sequence,

Flea the Magician [5]:

Special BROvert Ops, Unwnd, SirCakez, Angel Warriors, Dkkoba,

Sequence [2]:

RCEnigma, Titus,

Samantha97 [1]:

Flea the Magician,

Not Voting [2]:

Mathblade, Murdercat,

[Toogeloo]

Lmao when you iso Toog he looks more like the co mod than a player

Gotta look busy, yo.

[Toogeloo]

how else are we gonna set the record? we just need 18709 posts total

Is that a Day 1 record, or game length record?

[Toogeloo]

Is the plan to shove the hammer down Flea's throat before fae get here?

[Toogeloo]

Speaking of hoods, on some of my reading through the day, I swear to god some people are making posts in this thread designed for their hoods because I can't follow half the conversations being had sometimes.

[Toogeloo]

You can almost here the plea for it in Mom's post.

[Toogeloo]

unwnd, all your friends are over on BroForce. You've got strange bedfellows there with Flea.

[Toogeloo]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flea

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Unofficial Vote Count

Flea the Magician [8]:

Special BROvert Ops, Unwnd, SirCakez, Angel Warriors, Dkkoba, Samantha97, Lunar Martian, Toogeloo,

Special BROvert Ops [3]:

Rei and Asuka, Nylaathria, Sequence,

Sequence [2]:

RCEnigma, Titus,

Samantha97 [1]:

Flea the Magician,

Not Voting [2]:

Mathblade, Murdercat,

[Toogeloo]

Sequence, end it.

[Toogeloo]

Sequence is probably like,

"but... but... but... I needz permission by partner to not be lynched instead, so no can vote for survival."

[Toogeloo]

I actually liked Flea as town, so I'll be really sad if we're wrong on this.

But to be honest, my Mafia career is something like:
"If we lose, it's my fault. If we win, I had nothing to do with it."

Can we pretty please with skittles on top kill murdercat with flareon fire tomorrow?

[Toogeloo]

[Toogeloo]

Oh, so we got ran up and ircher/Sam had to claim even though this was pretty clearly my town game.

-Bell.

Good stuff.

Is it though...

Is it really...?

NEUTRAL 3P TOWN GAME?

[Toogeloo]

It's only Day 1.

I'm fairly certain we have PLENTY to work with going into tomorrow.

[Toogeloo]

Updated Tier List

100% Town Read

Unwnd
Rei and Asuka

Strong Town Lean

Lunar Martian
Samantha97

More Than Likely Town, Needs Moar Catgifs, Less Asshattery

Dkkoba

Town Leans

SirCakez
Titus
Flea The Magician

My PoE Pool

Special BROvert Ops
Nylaathria
Sequence
RCEnigma
Murdercat
Angel Warriors
Mathblade

This is still my read list. I feel like shit for helping eliminate Flea, but I really just wanted the day over. Sorry Flea .

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Hi folks.
You guys still think we're scum and not 3p?
Even though the number of players that would claim 3p as mafia are like, zero?

I've done it, and won my game.

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I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume that RCE didn't get IC'd in his hoods?

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I'm not voting R&A, like ever. Even if someone straight up claimed "guilty" on them, I'd probably be like, "they were framed."

[Toogeloo]

Bell, you're making the wrong argument. Playing towards your wincon still requires either telling half truths or lies. A third party role is NOT town, and don't need town to necessarily win the game, and in most cases actually prefer an equal amount of town and scum deaths. We just have to

take your word for it

that you'll exit the game at Day 5 and not be killed by scum along the way. Kind of asks a lot don't you think?

[Toogeloo]

Read my Mystery Box of Silver 5 game in my Wiki, Bell.

I can't answer why you would do it though, nor do I care to. I'm treating you as "not town," but not in a hurry to lim you just yet. I'd much rather have Angel, Murder, Nylaa, or BRO first I think, though anyone on my PoE list I'm 100% in support of wagoning.

[Toogeloo]

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Gamma is distancing Angel to make one look better.

[Toogeloo]

I'm not sure I can buy a Triple Bus Driver AND a Roleblocker on the scum.

[Toogeloo]

I'm pretty much ready to lim Gamma or Angel today. I'll wait for R&A to give their impressions, see if anyone else wants to add anything, but those should definitely be our options.

[Toogeloo]

The only hesitation I have on Angel before Gamma is the thick AtE the past couple pages from mom.

[Toogeloo]

My only hesitation on killing Sequence first is we have known scum already. Scum might actually fear having Sequence around and kill them for us. On top of that, if Sequence is telling the truth about exiting the game after the Dark Fairy dies, we might get two birds with one stone limming the Dark Fairy first.

[Toogeloo]

The long and short of it, titus, is that mom trying to argue I'm masons with nyla basically confirms nyla is the scum I fucked up on day 1. I can quote the various posts that will make nyla scum on mom's now certain redflip but it *does not matter for three day cycles*

since we still kill gamma first.

We just need focus and to just kill the scum in the right order so we don't keep fighting each other over which scum to kill which has literally been the story of this entire game.

-A

I thought you said mom first?

[Toogeloo]

I'm not going to fight the majority on a lim between, Angel, Gamma, or Sequence. I don't think an order needs to be established. As long as the majority isn't all scummy, it's fine to lim whomever first.

However, there hasn't been evidence of a 3P shot yet, and it could be a Survivor/Hunter. If we have evidence of a 3P shot tomorrow, by all means kill them then. If scum need them as a miselim, let's not do any early favors we don't need to right off the bat.

Gamma/Angel today is the stronger play, Sequence the moment we know they are killing town.

[Toogeloo]

I'm not in a hood/pt, and I feel like I miss out on half these solves as a result. Hence why I'm just nodding along.

I don't agree with Sequence being voted out before a possible scum being caught, by I'm not opposed to doing it if the majority thinks it's for the best.

I think there are some shenanigans in the blocked/busdriven claims and I highly doubt the scum team would have both, which is why I vastly prefer something out of Angel/Gamma first.

Angel is protecting Gamma despite Gamma countering them, but there seems to be a lot of targets that seem to be bus driven which leads credence to Angels claim.

So, as you can see, I'm extremely conflicted about what the right play is here, but I do think lynching non-aggressive 3P before trying to flip a Dark Fairy doesn't seem like the wisest choice.

@Titus, who is in your hood that told you to scan?

I'm going to imagine for a moment that Angel's claim is correct. This would explain Titus' scan possibly, RCE's target being swapped, and likely one other result not happening the way a PR anticipated. It could make some degree of sense, at which point I'd be inclined to lim Gamma first since he claimed being blocked (not bussed).

[Toogeloo]

I need to look up a lot of these modifiers. I don't know what a lot of them mean, or I've forgotten if I've ran into them in the past.

[Toogeloo]

Probably all the more reason to map out night 1 actions from all claims, maybe do the mass claim as Sam originally suggest, fill out resolutions, and see what adds up and what doesn't, but right now a lot of solves seem to be half game, half hood, and so I feel like I only get half the picture.

[Toogeloo]

So we have two set of conflicts that MUST be resolved today before a lim happens.

Gamma/Angel conflict
Titus/R&A conflict

I have been 100% town reading R&A, but Titus claim and result make no sense from a scum perspective. This should probably be priority.

PEdit: Why are you hand waving this away, R&A? I can't not follow this through until something assures me the resolution isn't just someone being stupid.

[Toogeloo]

I am too tired and old for this shit.

I hear this.

[Toogeloo]

Ok... I can buy it I guess. Why in the hell did we have to have a 180+ page Day 1 if so much had been solved up to that point?

[Toogeloo]

But now we know RandA lied.

Town likes all the time, and I can't remember the last time Lynch all Liars was even enforced. I'm willing to take them up on their deal that if even one of their reads is wrong, we can speed lynch them. It seems legit like the game got broken open in one hood. It might be a rabbit hole worth pursuing.

[Toogeloo]

EBWOP: Town lies* all the time

[Toogeloo]

I think that's agreeable as well.

[Toogeloo]

Unofficial Vote Count

Sequence [4]:

SirCakez, Rei and Asuka, Murdercat, RCEnigma,

Angel Warriors [3]:

Angel Warriors, Gamma Emerald, Titus,

Titus [1]:

MathBlade,

Not Voting [6]:

Elements, Samantha97, Toogeloo, Lunar Martian, Nylaathria, Sequence,

[Toogeloo]

I feel comfortable washing my hands of this game and just following orders.

VOTE: Angel Warriors

[Toogeloo]

Unofficial Vote Count

Angel Warriors [7]:

Angel Warriors, Gamma Emerald, Titus, Rei and Asuka, Murdercat, Samantha97, Toogeloo,

Sequence [2]:

SirCakez, RCEnigma,

Not Voting [5]:

Elements, Lunar Martian, Nylaathria, Sequence, MathBlade,

[Toogeloo]

The way I see it, Angel is either:

A) Scum, and R&A is correct and has solved the game due to modslip.
-or-
B) Town, and is absolutely throwing the game.

[Toogeloo]

So, if town, Angel, I have washed my hands of this, and will accept a loss in the long term because of your slot's actions.

[Toogeloo]

It doesn't matter if I threw the game or not, Reisuka was going to throw mislynch after mislynch anyway

If they are scum, they are doing their job. If they are town and wrong, it's happened before. Either way, you don't throw a tantrum and the game as town.

[Toogeloo]

It's a bit late, and I'm still trying to look up all the weird modifiers of various roles, but doesn't an amnesiac send it's results to other players?

[Toogeloo]

I think it was kind of rude for Boon not to give me a hood. I have no night actions, and no one to talk to.

[Toogeloo]

If Sequence doesn't come in here with a hero solve for the scum team, complete with logical cases. He should 100% by linked today.

I asked Leaf to put out a request for a Draw last night, but I knew full well scum would refuse it. This game has become far too personal, and Angel slot has kind of ruined the game for me, not that I have found it fun in the least in the last 50 pages.

[Toogeloo]

Sequence is a they btw. A hydra two heads.

Great!

[Toogeloo]

R&A slot is still town btw.

[Toogeloo]

I want to see Sequence make a solve before I post more. I don't want my input to have an influence on their solve, and I have input to keep close to my vest for now.

[Toogeloo]

I don't do cases. They are overrated. Anyway, we will post a solve as soon as we have all the details we need. We are missing one crucial piece of info at the moment that would greatly influence any solve we would give.

You have assured us you are town-sided, but you haven't proven it through your behavior. I cannot help persuade people to lim other possible scum ahead of you if your slot doesn't actively start hunting scum with good reason for votes. So either convince Bell to do the work for you, or start efforting on your end.

Then why agree to elim them if Angel flipped town? Not really following the whole suggesting speed elimming them if you town read them. Can you explain?

I thought the risk was worth it if R&A had stumbled on a game breaking solve. I probably wouldn't trust the slot for reads and what not after yesterday, but that one risky move wasn't enough to completely destroy my otherwise extremely strong town read on the slot. Not to add the replacement as additional reasoning, but I'd certainly hope that it's not a scum gambit to get a guaranteed mislim and then request a replacement to avoid the repercussions.

[Toogeloo]

At this point, anyone who is refusing to mass claim may as well be scum claiming. You aren't doing anything to help town, and more than likely your role hasn't done anything to help dig us out of the shit we are in.

[Toogeloo]

Every role needs to be on the table today.

[Toogeloo]

Most, if not all, of the unclaimed are some of the least aggressive and vocal players left in the game.

[Toogeloo]

Cakez, is Sequence 3P or mafia from your pic?

[Toogeloo]

PoV*

[Toogeloo]

Btw... My preferred lim today is Gamma. I think we had them and let them go yesterday, their claim is a bit sus with regards to other claims, and they claimed to be Roleblocked which I highly doubt exists in a game with three bus drives.

I think lim Gamma, Nylaa, and if Sequence is still alive after that, lim them then.

At worst, Sequence seems more like a Survivor than a killing 3P, which is just a miselim that scum won't care about. We need a dark fairy flip today.

I think holding on to claims when scum have us by the metaphorical balls right now is extremely anti town behavior, and might as well be akin to a scum claim.

[Toogeloo]

Actually, it's pretty damning evidence tbqh. According to that flip, Sam wouldn't have been able to target anyone until after this day phase.

[Toogeloo]

Sam couldn't have acted at all until this coming Night Phase. Novice made her skip the first one.

[Toogeloo]

Who else is in the hood with you where Sam said this, Sequence?

[Toogeloo]

Lunar is open wolfing

Feeling that way as well, but given how apathetic most of us are, it might just be behavioral.

I think Nylaa and Gamma are scum for sure, I'd probably put Lunar 3rd, and as of right this second, Titus 4th. Sequence is playing to a Survivor's wincon from the best I can tell. I'm trying to discern the wim patterns from who sounds town vs. who's just floating along.

I still think attempting to flip a Dark Fairy today is the best play. Limming the 3rd party feels conciliatory as if we aren't trying to win and just get some points on the way out. I'd rather go out swinging for mafia then take out a 3P as just another mislim for mafia.

[Toogeloo]

Gamma claimed Roleblocked yesterday. I don't see that being something as possible, and combined with their claim and general activity, they should be limmed.

[Toogeloo]

Nylaa is on a lot of people's list as scum, but getting very little traction. If we can all compromise to eliminate that slot first, follow it with Gamma tomorrow, Sequence will have made it to day 5 and if truthful, exit the game, but if still exists, can be limmed at that time.

[Toogeloo]

Quiet is R&A slot, Elements is Koba. I don't think we lynch either of those.

[Toogeloo]

Math's behavior today and most of Day 2 is highly indicative of town. I feel confident in that read.

R&A likely felt like shit and replaced out, which is just cowardly. however, it would be unheard of to force a mislynch as scum and then replace out hoping town wouldn't dare to lynch your replacement. I mean there's scum gambits and then there's that. I don't think this is a scum move.

[Toogeloo]

VOTE: Gamma

This is where I am at today, and I hope people join me.

[Toogeloo]

Unless a town blocker comes forward, you won't convince me that scum have a triple bus AND roleblock.

[Toogeloo]

If we presume Angels and Gamma are both town, a roleblocker might not be needed at all. Gamma's action works on town.

If Angel was bussed with scum, Gamma's action fails and no roleblocker is needed.

Gamma claimed roleblocked, not action failure.

[Toogeloo]

Gamma TRs Angel, so he guesses he was blocked.

Gamma called Angel scum.

You are borderline hard defending Gamma here, and I really don't like it.

[Toogeloo]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nylaathria

[Toogeloo]

Gamma is hardly clear, I've made my opinion known on that. But Queen Titus has more sway than I do, so I'll take any scum read I can.

The problem is we literally don't know any of the fuckery, but a picture can be painted and people told to believe it.

[Toogeloo]

We could save Boon the effort and speed lynch the slot. Honestly, y'all should have taken up the draw over the night.

[Toogeloo]

VOTE: Mathblade

[Toogeloo]

My go down with the ship solve is Mathblade, Titus, Gamma, Lunar.

[Toogeloo]

Actually, I might be open to changing Lunar to Cakez. I just think there has been a metric shitton of scum theater going on and having two somewhat oblivious replacements, it's an easy sell

Titus has been doing gymnastics to keep both Mathblade and Gamma in the game, so I'm absolutely positive those 3 are scum together though.

[Toogeloo]

Sequence's heavy push on Math yesterday is more likely who they targeted and went out on. The MurderCat link is misdirection.

[Toogeloo]

Because I really don't give a shit anymore. I stopped caring when Angel threw the game away. I never replace out of games, but this game made me consider it twice, but I wouldn't do that to Leaf after he's already had as many replacements to deal with in a game this long.

I'm 100% going through the motions, but at least attempting to apply logic to it.

[Toogeloo]

The 4th slot is the only slot I don't really know. It could be MC, but I'm not wavering on my first 3.

[Toogeloo]

I don't know any of the fucking hoods. I don't have a hood, and not all the hoods have been shared. There doesn't even need to be scum in every hood.

[Toogeloo]

Making it through this game is definitely an accomplishment, but you're still a massive scumbutt lurksack.

Ignore Math and Gamma, MC. They are just looking for ways to shade that might stick.

[Toogeloo]

Preferred elims Lunar > Gamma > Titus > Math

That order's not going to happen.

[Toogeloo]

You already agree with most the elims, just do them in the right order. Lunar is not first.

[Toogeloo]

Who's scum iyo Math?

[Toogeloo]

Or, maybe better.. who's town?

[Toogeloo]

There is like 0% chance there is a Roleblocker with a triple bus driver.

[Toogeloo]

Gg scum, well played.