Flavor Leaf vs. Hectic [Game Over]

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hii skittssss

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i hope FL's guilty claim is a real thing cause then i'd know who it is probably

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wait were u dann's cw?

...yeah?

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Scratch catboi unwnd i changed my mind to Fire

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oh god don’t remind me of that game LOL

i wanted to claim like, rber? but i wasn’t sure if that was something town had often so i was scared

lmao apologies

Roleblocker's a bold move, would have loved to have seen that instead and see what happens

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why do you only consider me being town whenever i'm 10 seconds away from dying skitts? Not even a shade im just taken aback

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Well I wanted my last words to be like, not quite as pathetic as the rest of em i guess

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Anyways just please kill Tweetie and for Tweetie if you read this you seem like a really nice person but I gotta play to my wincon and that means killing scum

unwnd has me on a leash, so i suppose i have to support this.

haha i just found this one

ty unwnd i appreciate it

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why do u think im scum

Idk you're the same as jigsaw as far as i can remember and i do see you truthfully claiming your scum JoAT role. i get that you probably scumclaim all the time n shit as town though, and maybe you havent had as much time to play i guess for other content stuff. Not really much more than that

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how is everyone doing?

i feel nice actually

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0
Hopkirk
Starcrossed
Venus
catboi
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0-1
Lunar
Chara
Skitts
Glory
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2-3
Xtoxm
Ydrasse
Fire

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That's rough skitts but like i contemplated deleting the "even though I was a CW to scum part" cause it felt a little too salty but i ended up keeping it in

you wouldn't have realized i was the only other wagon nearing end of D1 without that comment? ;-;

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why do u think im scum

Idk you're the same as jigsaw as far as i can remember and i do see you truthfully claiming your scum JoAT role. i get that you probably scumclaim all the time n shit as town though, and maybe you havent had as much time to play i guess for other content stuff. Not really much more than that

I am always in jigsaw mode.

yeah i get u but at same time don't think we properly had much engagement either way here. If u want some content u can give some players for me to give opinions on.

Uh well i feel i need the most help with Skitts, Chara, and Glory/Mel if you have any nice reads on them

I'm struggling hard to decide on the first two and im struggling to even get a read on glory at all

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i doubt im gonna get speed elimed before i get my thoughts out fire, so long as you wait a bit

err, i guess you mean like survivalism reasons, sure i guess. I do know that you're not voting me

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y do you think unwnd is scum

arent they good as dead claiming supersaint or whatever

Also i feel like their read on me is real but mayb thats dumb

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did you say the ability u used on me was PT cop, fire?

I actually bothered to check Dann's role, turns out it's part neighbourizer part joat with a bus driver put in, so it was better than i thought. It has a PT cop in it tho so thats interesting

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O nvm

Role cop humm

Still nothing in this stupid setup that falls for millers cause i assume ydrasse's doesnt. that is probably by design though

pedit: Why did you use it on an ascetic claim

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dangitt fireeee

If I were just a miller claim though it still wouldnt have been helpful cause scum can be millers now

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you guys kinda took the wind outa my sails. If this is another "sike" i dont know whether i should be pleased or annoyed about it

pedit: :I

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Anyway im consistently landing on scum within Ydrasse/Xtoxm/Fire but that probably just speaks to giving townreads way too easily more than anything else. I am genuinely concerned now that Xtoxm's role is kinda structured in a way that lets him give invest results very... slowly...

Now I feel like im spam posting unnecessarily, i was only doing that cause i felt entitled to it as like a last meal type deal but now idk

I guess i can bump Glory down cause scum can't just be the 3 that i basically know the least content of. I just didnt want to read their posts

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Hopkirk
Starcrossed
Venus
catboi
Lunar
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0-1
Chara
Skitts
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2-3
Glory
Xtoxm
Ydrasse
Fire

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VOTE: Glory

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See Skitter posting #2352 instead of #2518, makes it look like I was still on Tweetie when. I was tr her at the time I was voting unwnd, so it pings as a possible attempt to shade me for voting her because she posted that but not the final vc.

i think the point was to highlight my wagon mate, and you were on it

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See Skitter posting #2352 instead of #2518, makes it look like I was still on Tweetie when. I was tr her at the time I was voting unwnd, so it pings as a possible attempt to shade me for voting her because she posted that but not the final vc.

i think the point was to highlight my wagon mate, and you were on it

That was precisely my point. Why do that when she was pushing me for defending Dann while I switched to unwnd in the final vc?

Your vote switch is not important, considering unwnd was never going to be eliminated. What speaks louder is that i was the only person who had any semblence of a chance to be eliminated besides Dann towards the end of that day, at least as far as i can remember. I was the counterwagon, not unwnd.

I don't think you're scum but yeah the VC before final is more important than the final

additionally it seems like you suspect skitts on the basis that she is scumreading you for trying to defend/dissuade from Dann, whilst she did precisely the same thing. Mm, maybe. Just because she did it herself doesnt mean she cant suspect you for it, though. working against a scum elim is always bad regardless of who is pointing it out. I do think if skitts is scum she's forcing this read on you but at the same time I really haven't bothered to read you two's lengthy interactions, i just felt it wasnt going anywhere discussing the read further

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How is the vc BEFORE the final ever more important than the final? Yes that’s again my point, it’s blatantly hypocritical of her to sr me for that when she was clearly hesitant on voting him herself.

And that once again is also my point because posting the D1 vc BEFORE the final looks like an unfair attempt to shade me because she didn’t include the final.

I just said why it's more important. Your vote swap didnt matter, but your vote on me did because I had a chance of going through. She was highlighting my wagon, it's NAI cause her point is that her scumreads voted for me. It makes no sense that she'd highlight a VC that doesn't show what her point is

Being hypocritical isn't really a scumtell im familiar with. Also i can recall the point of the game skitts is talking about, where you vocally didnt want Dann end of D1, whereas i dont really remember if skitts actively fought it so much as doubted it. Could be wrong though

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I dont think I can help you then Nancy. I'm saying I disagree with your logic, I think it's wrong. I read all your posts, i was replying to them. I don't really want to discuss it further because it doesn't help my skitts read

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I really dont feel like arguing about it with her chara

if you want my fuller take, i see now skitts did actively push Dann at one point end of D1 and although she had posts that were hesistant, she never actually tried to block it like Venus did. So it's not really hypocritical anyway. But again, it doesnt really matter for me to talk about i dont think it helps

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Your point that she is using the other VC rather than your unwnd one doesnt work for me either. are there any others im missing?

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I see, so Venus feels that skitts' hesitation was a cause for them trying to block the Dann wagon, so it is odd for skitts to turn around and suspect Venus for going along with what skitts said?

fl u sure u wanna end on dannflor?

fl u sure u wanna end on dannflor?

Are you having doubts on your read of him or did you agree with me when you clicked that link?

I'm having doubts abt the consensus formed on him

And then there’s this. Nothing about either of these posts by themselves is suspicious, what clearly is her her sr me for trying to stop his wagon.

In this quote at least, it would appear that her first post (2493) was generalized, and then the second was her replying to Venus engaging her first. Venus implies in 2495 that she is curious abt whether skitts was agreeing with her townread on Dann or not -- to which, skitts replies she simply has her own doubts.

So Venus' hard tr on dann was before this interaction, skitts makes no mention of Venus before then, and Venus is the one who reached out to skitts first here

Yeah I think I'm still missing it i think. I'm sorry

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So skitts wasn't the cause, but skitts was pouring fuel on the flames. To that I would say, that's not really necessary for scum!skitts to do. Also, Dann was pretty dead at this point of the day I think. So I would ask, why does skitts do this?

But i suppose the point is that skitts "fueled" your doubts, and then scumread you later for your doubts/tr on dann. To that I would say i think it is unlikely skitts intentionally tried to get you to doubt Dann, especially considering you were already townreading him a lot prior

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(reading catboi 6012 into 2848)

I'm not the biggest fan of catboi but I doesn't seem like anyone really shares that opinion

honestly I mostly want to vote Titus right now

I'm interested in scum reads on Morning Tweet because I don't really see anything that sticks out as not within town!Tweet's MO

i had no idea Dann was so familiar with my town!MO. Seeing this (from catboi's 2848) makes me realize i missed almost every single dann post D1

Now what id like to figure out is if catboi is genuinely reading Dann interactions, or if he's scum with Dann and knows exactly what interactions Dann was trying to force so he's using them. A little bit late, i think catboi made that post like D2, but yeah

Catboi's idea is that Dannflor fell behind and overwhelmed by suspicions fast, so he had to turn on the anti-associative mode prematurely. Okay

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I see the post where Dann fixates a lot on me (1572) and Titus (1574). Dann only had 2 votes at the time, though, and it comes across to me like he was in the middle of catching up possibly from front -> back since he replied to recent stuff first. Chara was still public enemy #1 around here, it was reflected in the VCs too. i think it's a stretch to say he went full anti-associative already but the i can buy thinking the fixation is odd

gives a light townlean to Gamma in 1581, he continues talking abt me and my vote in 1585 (this is the "fencesitty" one that catboi mentioned), there's still no heat on dann though this was next page. Let me just find the point where Dann probably knows he's dead

Oh it's not much further. Skitts and Star vote Dann on page 65 and FL gives it his approval to end the day on (a classic manuever by him that i've experienced twice now), xtoxm joins. Dann definitely knows he's in trouble now. I don't think he would have immediately been playing for anti associatives up til this point though -- there was no indictation that he was gonna die really, perhaps I've missed it though.

1630 is his first reaction to it (voting chkflip). I think here and onwards is plausible, at least for me that is definitely where i'd realize im going down and do whatever i wanna do.

[!] The attention has been deflected away from Dannflor again. FL changes the plan to killing a member of Dann's wagon or Dann. Dann's got a chance still, in fact he just has to be better than 1 out of 5 other players to survive. He does still have 5 votes on him at this point, of course, so not great but i dont think Dann resigned himself to die

He comes back and votes unwnd (1846) and goes kinda hard (1874) relative to the rest of his pushes anyway. He townreads Nancy and gains their townread lul, keeps arguing for a townread there for a while whatever. This was around the Venus scumslip so thats a distraction

Here's a couple fun ones: the vague yikes at skitts (1939) and questioning why im a scumread (1942). Oh the yikes was at skitts voting him lol. Anyway is there a lot of pressure on Dann, yeah but he is in no way dead yet

im noticing a pattern where he slight townleans ppl receiving the most suspicion at the time though (morning and venus)

Dann then naked votes me though. This was right after Hop expressed a scumread on me, and then Hop joins. Then Chara wagon with skitts/Hop happens. FL is still not directing it anywhere yet

Gamma adds onto Dann but then Venus townreads Dann and skitts scumreads me.

Oh Dann is done posting. So there

Not to kill the funtime vibes, but I went through Dannflor's ISO to scrape for any sort of interactions, and this is what I came away with. My theory is that Dann made a few posts when the ame was in an RVS-ish state, fell behind, and came back realizing he was under pressure and in trouble, and so deliberately started forcing interactions. I also think scum are more likely to have voteparked Dann rather than defend him after FL publicly voiced suspicion, it's too risky to have moved off. I'm not saying Dann interacted with all of his teammates, In fact I'd say for sure there's a scum in the people he didn't really interact with at all, but right now it's easier for me to look at the info on people he DID interact with.

I don't think Dann messed with his interactions an abnormal amount, so this theory sounds good but doesnt seem true. I suppose given Titus and me being town, I could have already known that, but whatever. Now what's more important is whether or not catboi came to this c conclusion as a result of reading through Dann rather than through malicious intent -- I have two thoughts

On one hand, I do not think that Dann was intentionally messing with his interactions a ton -- he was never under guaranteed kill pressure. Honestly, the stuff he got i think could actually be less than what ive gotten at times. And what skitts has got. And so on. I think if he were manipulating his interactions, then scum!catboi would be in a better place to know how to exploit that. i dont think that has happened though

However, i do think the naked vote on me after only questioning SRs on me was out of place. I was not a wagon at the time. He had no build up. The only thing that triggered it probably was Hop vocally suspecting me so much prior. So i can reasonably buy that seeming like just a really strange interaction. Also, catboi feels scum was likely to votepark Dann due to a fear of looking back down the line, which is what i did. I think I can reasonably buy that catboi believes in this theory. I dont think this was orchestrated by dann-catboi, if catboi is scum this was done in retrospect

MMm I can reasonably buy the read on me, I guess that doesn't make catboi town by default but it's a start. If we wanna talk catboi reads then we can think about what's more likely: Hectic is informed there are 2 VTs, or Hectic is informed there is 1 VT and instructs (or catboi decides) to instaclaim it (this was about 5-10 minutes after FL called for it). at a glance that seems like a good way to throw unnecessary suspicion his way while also making the miselim low stakes for town. it is also possibly worth noting that catboi claimed at 5 A.M in london so i hope for his sake that hectic wasn't awake at the time, so it'd have to have been pre coordinated, which I suppose is possible but is also a lot less simple than catboi just claiming it

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This post maybe doesnt lay it out so well but i think catboi is town, anyway. i think the way he has read me (and had read titus) is fair, it is reasonable to think that Dann goes anti-associative since he did have a great amount of pressure, but actually around the areas where he posted there were always 27,000 different things going on -- I think he did not know he was dead, that i feel pretty good on at least. the vote on me strikes me as very odd although i do think it was a serious attempt at killing me since there was quite a lot of suspicion there, I was a voter of him (which FL wanted to kill in), and Hop just laid out a bunch of reasons to suspect me as well. And then Chara was getting attacked before and after his posts too! But I think catboi additionally thinking scum voteparks Dann, plus me being strange, it just makes a lot more sense as a genuine scumread than something Dann did intentionally for catboi to point out.

Fully prepared to look stupid if catboi is scum though >x< The read on me making sense, thinking dann was doing anti's makes sense. And I dont think there was collusion between him and cat because i dont think dann was *actually* thinking he dies there for certain, he could have gotten me thrown out and i think that was his intention. okay im done

I don't have someone that I really want to direct the elimination to so /shrug

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I just find it disingenuous for someone who was actively hesitant on voting Dann, using that as a reason to sr me. I also feel that posting the vc while I was voting you but neglecting the final one was an obvious attempt to shade me unfairly.

But it’s the combo of those two things that is weirding me our more than anything else, to be clear.

Does she think I’m scum for trying to stupidly derail Dann or for being on Tweetie the 2nd to final vc. Sr me for BOTH of these things isn’t adding up for me.

Oh, so I did understand i think. I have understood these two points from the beginning and I disagree with both. Skitts own read on Dann should not bar her from being able to suspect other players who defended Dann.

I see that she is using it as a reason to scumread you

and i get that's the point, right? Not that she isnt allowed to scumread you, but that she is using it as a reason. In my opinion she still can because i think your defense of Dann was a lot more substantial than hers, and if she scumreads that, then she scumreads that. Skitts didnt actively try to switch the wagon at that phase of that game, and that is the reason she is using against you.

and I believe that the VC she posted was the correct one. She wanted to highlight my wagon, and she did. Why would she use the one without you on it? It doesnt make sense. the whole point is to show why she thinks I might be town -- because her scumreads (including you) were voting me! If she quoted the end of day VC, then that does not help her point. In a way, yes she is shading you kind of. But she already thinks you are scum and she is using that wagon to illustrate a greater point about her scumreads voting me on D1, so that only makes sense

I understand your reasoning if this is it summed up. i just disagree and i felt like we probably wouldnt see eye to eye on it. i'm sorry if i sounded dismissal i just felt like it wouldnt help either of us, cause i think skitts can be scum or town still anyway

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godspeed catboi

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artificial game state

This rings in my head a lot though. Like, a lot. I think scum did not necessarily manifest this however. They're just working with it. I keep coming back to my Tweetie thought because her content all bares itself in the right moment, it never feels like it comes from a place where it's something she really wanted to say. Ahhhhhh

That is likely because so far i have only been motivated to get a solve in or generally reread at all when im on death's door, so you're right there and that is atypical of me

i mean, i want to say what i say though so idk. I fully expected to die twice now, it is highly unlikely i'd bother to make that content as scum figuring im dead. Convenient maybe but also i didnt really expect to live past those posts cause i saw ydrasse was licking her lips for the hammer, i just needed one more to get there

i think Glory and skitter are scum. i suppose that's where i'm at, as much as i try to resist the latter. so i'm certainly in favour of a check there.

If you're town which i lean it does feel that way yes, throw in Xtoxm and Fire as candidates too

Starting to think my idea of the guilty is right which explains why it's been so hard finding scum at the bottom. it's prolly just 2 in glory/skitts/fire/xtoxm.

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I think your list has potential to be all town, MT

xtoxm/glory/skitts/fire crossed out then

star inno, morning innocent

unwnd/lunar/venus/Chara/ydrasse left over

i mean? There's already got to be one scum in that bottom group yeah. I guess i can be making bad townreads with ease but i didnt think unwnd/venus are scum at all, at least

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I did not consider catboi flipping scum, in my mind it's like 30% odds i guess

that would make it a lot more believable that skitts/glory/xtoxm/fire have potential to be all town -- then it just takes one wrong townread of mine in the bottom group

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I did not consider catboi flipping scum, in my mind it's like 30% odds i guess

that would make it a lot more believable that skitts/glory/xtoxm/fire have potential to be all town -- then it just takes one wrong townread of mine in the bottom group

see, it's rough that you say this because it looks so scummy, but scum doesn't say this kinda stuff, but they kinda do. idk

Lunar/MT both being town is something Hectic would definitely be taking advantage of too, so hmm

I think tomorrow's gonna be a good day

lmfao i realized later i was taking catboi as town for granted and immediately knew ppl were gonna have a field day with that at some point

Scum in general can say shit like that yeah, but for me as scum i actually go over my posts to ensure nothing can be taken as a scumslip or whatever -- and as town, well, you see what happens

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excessive?! that is a perfectly good amount of commas

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Perhaps, it's debatable, though, very calculated, like scum

i didnt even notice this was too manyyy (*´ω｀*)

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,,, i, f,e,e,l, l,i,k,e, t,h,e, f,o,o,d, t,e,l,l, w,o,u,l,d, m,o,s,t,l,y, b,e, i,n,d,i,c,t,a,t,i,v,e, o,f, h,o,w, h,u,n,g,r,y, i, a,m, m,o,r,e, t,h,a,n, a,n,y,t,h,i,n,g, e,l,s,e ,,,

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He's not scum but also it doesnt make sense to kill skitts/Chara/Xtoxm/Ydrasse rn and I guess Glory has a claim too? Sad times

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is there anything more to be said?

VOTE: catboi

X-1

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UNVOTE:

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(×﹏×)

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VOTE: catboi But i can hammer later tonight if u prefer cx

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good ass list

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so long

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Oops

catboi really got me there especially at the end, stupid kitty

Lol lunar

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I have no idea what the fuck is going on with the claimed innocents and guilties. My guess at the guilty was Ydrasse because it seemed likely flavour would use a neighbourizer cop ability on someone he is unable/unwilling to read and also madly in live with. I have no idea if that is who he chose from my slight skim though

pedit: ty Lunar

I trust the more informed players can make a good decision

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Nice nice

Reading more I'm guessing the guilty wasnt real which is so disappointing

Ydrasse can still be scum though I do not see why not

Uhh it looks like skitts is town from Xtoxm. Why did scum kill fire and not xtoxm or like any other townie is beyond me

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xtox is a scum mailman

tweetie is a scum ascetic

why do you think im scum Pooky this is out of genuine curiosity and for no other reason, why

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didnt fire waste the PT cop shot on me? Shows what i know i guess

so the guilty is real then? but it's just cause flavour isnt sure whether to believe it or something? Nice nice

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I am a bit surprised skitts is town, im prolly gonna chalk that up to me playing really fucking bad and making not only myself but the people i interact with appear to be obvious scum

Well

Assuming i understand stuff which i probably do not, Ydrasse was prolly fakeclaiming then and is indeed scum and maybe that is why she hasn't played the game for several day phases, if i were scum i gave assumed even faster that Ydrasse was the guilty assuming there was was

If you're currently just trying to decide whether or not someone did something fucky to ruin the loyal neighbourizer shot, i would occams razor that pretty hard especially considering there arent any counterarguments for Ydrasse being town that i know of.

Anyway, good luck with your decision or whatever

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why do you think im scum Pooky this is out of genuine curiosity and for no other reason, why

the same reason I thought dannflor and catboi were scum

I share a soul with hectic and I know who he would pick

i feel like that shouldn't override how im way out of my scum range with how freely and easily i can post, my bonkers claim, my reaction to nearly dying twice (Yes, i really thought i was finished), as well as being scums elim choice and/or counterwagon to them several times over now

Hectic would have to dislike me a lot to pick me, for the record

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Wording suggests that that loyal/disloyal will work normally on me, cause it only mentions that i screw with cop results

We probably ignored this bit up til now cuz i know at least i already addressed it. totally missed that part of chkflips pm tho

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Don't have the loyal disloyal bit

Apparently Krazy had a reputation of red herrings about him, that would be my guess. Doesn't clear skitts but she is definitely not caught scum off of that particular bit

in fact the godfather stuff does seem a bit unlikely doesnt it

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I asked the mod for clarification. If I were targeted in a way that ignores my ascetic part, I would resolve in a way that acts as if I'm aligned with the mafia. However, this was not specified to me specifically in my role PM the way chkflip's does.

soooooooooo yeah you make of that what you will

I had Toogeloo as my flavour

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I think that even if Krazy does verify inverted, I haven’t really been a fan of Tweetie’s posting in this game. It’s a very awkward way to phrase that question. Why not just say like why am I scum here or why do you think I’m scum here?

Cause i dont think it matters anymore really. i dont believe awkward phrasing is a trait of my scum game on the large

Is this my third strike n im out finally?

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xtox is a scum mailman

tweetie is a scum ascetic

why do you think im scum Pooky this is out of genuine curiosity and for no other reason, why

this is a "i don't know why i'm caught" scumpost

you never really answered my question, sharing a soul with Hectic doesn't really do it considering he didnt pick me

I can understand most of the scumreads but i am genuinely confused how ppl more familiar with my play can scumread me in this game

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here's your actual scum probably

VOTE: Ydrasse

If FL isn't bullshitting about the guilty i'm kind of irked that he's ignoring it so i probably just assume that's fake

pedit: Is skitts innoed or NOT

AND WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING ME?

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My current understanding now is that Skitts is no longer a miller via starcrossed bullshit therefore the loyal resolved correctly and she sent a string of numbers that she got messaged

pedit: Yes

Also no to skitts if my understanding is correct.

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If you guys screw up the mech win i'm blaming pooky for being oddly unable to read me correctly despite being given hectic's dark powers to do so

but 99% of the time im a free lim so thats probably fine

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Hopkirk
Starcrossed (Pooky+Kanna Hydra)
- certain

Venus Mars and Pluto (Nancy Drew 39, Auro, and Shiro)
unwnd
Xtoxm
- confident

skitter30
Glory and Mel (Gamma Emerald+Alisae)
Chara
- better

Lunar Martian
Ydrasse

xtoxm being messed with by millers suggests town
assuming there's no bullshit godfathers suggests skitts' town although her top 3 suspects (Chara/Tweet/Venus) has a good likelihood of being all town so makes sense if you run out of leads i suppose
Ydrasse is either mech guiltied or not but either way has the most generic kind of boring claim, plays the way id expect a scumteam who is afraid of one being possibly guiltied would do, and may or may not be guiltied. also if she's town it confirms chara as town as someone mentioned
I dont rlly know that i think Lunar is scum cause i dont see why hectic drafts there and the reaction to the hood bs earlier. Xtoxm i suppose has a fair point that they stick out like a sore thumb in the setup though and might be overpowered. You can just leash this for now anyway though

i would say it's probably more likely just ydrasse plus a harder to get target but i suppose there isnt a great reason for Lunar town

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6 to flip

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oh also if I'm killed while gone i'd like for Ydrasse to have the hammer vote, please. (・ω<) see you all

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Tweetie you're supposed to be mad at me for my ferocious and stupid tunnel instead you just posted a cute bat gif

im only sort of annoyed at Pooky, for the rest of the reads i put the blame on myself

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he really should've told you what the secret towntell is :3

i seriously didn't do it? That will have some serious ramifications i think but i think im glad it happened in this game rather than another

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oh kk then skitts is scum with ydrasse

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did Ydrasse do something towny that i missed or something?

im down tho

VOTE: Skitts

fixing VC

VOTE: skitter30

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ur never gonna get to gloat abt ur read of me pookster

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why are you annoyed at me again?

cause i dont understand where your read of me is coming from, i feel like you should have been able to read my scumgame by now maybe idk i guess its unfair

my scum game is very consistent how the way it is. 2132, royalty, and zoey's mafia are like identical playstyles. my town game has an incredible amount of variety but the main point that causes it is that i will post any time i feel like and in any mood as town because i do not care how i am perceived

If i failed to commit the towntell though i suppose i can understand maybe getting confirm biased by that. I've never not done it as far as i know so o.o

pedit: yeah it feels like you're scumreading me in spite of my play rather than because of it. Also I've been scum's choice to be killed how many times now? catboi should count :C

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You better not abuse it lol, and don't spread it around to more people.

CLEARLY he's NOT ABUSING IT

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Royalty..?

pedit: ._.

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oh wait you were scum in royalty huh

i guess YOU WERE SO TOWNIE I DIDNT EVEN NOTICE YOU WERE SCUM

does my play this game strike you as extra towny or in any way resembling that game

that is my scum game

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Oh did boon stop the Tweetie votes again

(´-ω-`) maybe

why do you keep talking to me about your play this game

i already said I'm not scum-reading you on anything you posted but based on Hectic liking you more than me.

if your theory is that hectic likes me more than you, which would have be a lot of liking, then that should point to him not picking me no?

Also because MY PLAY THIS GAME SHOULD OVERRIDE DRAFT SPECULATION SOMETIME BY POST NUMBER SEVEN THOUSAND

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can i get some MT scum game links?

Please do

Mini 2132, my first one since 2016 and we had to come back from a d1 scum elim
Zoey's, a rep-in where i tried to emulate my town play when i repped into this town game. FL was in this game actually
Royalty, Really only day one will help you because i went into silence D2 knowing i was about to have to die from game mechanic. But it is pretty good example of my early scum play

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I just did a Tweetie ISO read and think she might actually be town here. It’s not strong because she’s not super obvtown like in the last game but she is doing stuff and didn’t act all weird when sr like in Royalty. If I could just see the Tweetie for Pooky vs FL, that would make this so much easier. :/

I had higher chances of being scum in pooky vs. FL than i do here (minus the claims)

i had all the time in the world to write big solvey posts then, now i dont have the time to follow the thread and yet i am not particularly concerned with how i come across rapid posting. The best way i can show i am town is to speak without filtering my posts...... sort of. I suppose this might be proof in the opposite direction, but i would say it usually goes better

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do i get to enter the starcrossed inversion hood if we elim skitts or is Hop in there for a reason

i want innn

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why are you safeguarding yourself so much for if this ends up being a loss? just win the game

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wagon #4 babeyy

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i respect that you are letting town have their thing, I suppose it is only fair that if the majority of them agree it is me, who are you to stand in their way at this point

Although, after I flip town, are you going to use that to justify taking back your dictator position? this could be a smart political move

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I am disappointed not getting into the inverse hood thing but other than that i am pretty tired of teetering on the edge and really don't have a lot to add to the discussion other than the certainty of scum inside ydrasse/skitts which should already be agreed upon

again, ydrasse hammers, etc etc

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cbecks watch impatiently

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ehm well it's hard to believe skitts is town yes. Her Chara scumread was proven wrong, her one on me is about to be, and Venus is definitely not somewhere i would look at all personally

i dont really know if she's demotivated because of the nature of this game as town or because she's scum working with what i imagine is probably quite annoying for them. She did specify that she was confident though so enh

you should really look into Ydrasse more probably and also if town confirms chara if she is town so either way it's a win win -- i dont really know how you're gonna sort ydrasse otherwise

i dont really think Lunar is scum but Xtoxm has a valid point that their role might be busted for town to have on top of what we've got. Maybe scum just has really strong roles across the board tho

hmmm dunno if I'm considering anyone else much

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Kinda wanna get this done by tonight, I'm only at 3 out of 6 votes atm

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sigh okay well if you switch it to me i want to be there when it ends if possible

i wouldn't really say i'm demotivated, so much as i don't particularly care that much

yeah i kinda feel that

Uhh if i were to ask a game-related question, did we ever figure why scum isn't killing Xtoxm?

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Isn't he like, basically an investigative getting clears each night? idk I guess not. FL mentioned using his role to clear me with the disloyal bit somehow using the inversion but i suppose that isnt something you can reasonably anticipate as scum. He really only should work every other night

there's also ydrasse who gets a true cop result who scum was fine with investigating chara

i suppose I dont really see why they kill fire last night especially considerng he was still a potential suspect. But i suppose if you treat xtoxm like an odd night cop + possibly a poe suspect then u dont kill him.

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Do i get to join the star PT next night phase then? i am hyped if so

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Wtf does your ability do if it doesn't remove miller/ascetic

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that is very disappointing

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but thank you

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it's not

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your constant tinfoiling of starcrossed is a mystery to me, unless a godfather role is really that likely

you care about my solve for the solve's sake or just for sorting me? Assuming the latter, though I'll see what i can do sometime

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i have no read on Starcrossed. i've been relying on others.
skitter's townflip is upsetting.

Pooky being abrasive this game and being somewhat smug about FL's failure to read him comes off as at least somewhat town to me, my only experiences with Pooky being more prickly come from town!him whereas being pleasant usually comes from both

I also just generally think godfather is dumb design

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Well, dumb if it can't reasonably be expected anyway. Which i suppose maybe they know more about the setup than me

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Tweetie: thanks. i think i agree with that. i don't think he's been very abrasive, though. the game has largely been pleasant, but i suppose in a relative sort of way i can see it.

Eh just the way he's been responding to flavour anyway, you're right not as a whole

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i have zero qualms about eliminating ydrasse and i suspect there's not going to be anything that changes my mind with further reading. But hey let's not be lazy

I see she had a pretty big reaction to FL's "guilty" on her which i admit is impressive as scum. I never expect Ydrasse to give up there of course -- the chances FL was lying were too great, but still it's not bad

there are a lot of cat girl noises in here, more than i remember.. don't know where else to look for AI stuff.

I guess im not as confident as I'd like to be then. The claim i think was pretty fakable since it's just a cop and you could definitely create a fake role that pretty much goes along with what skitts' was. An alignment thingy that depends on the player order, but Ydrasse's is essentially the opposite of skitts'. Compare that to Xtoxm's claim (the loyal/disloyal bit anyway) where he would have lucked out a bit if faked -- he seems to be the only role in the game that gets screwed by millers.

..well, actually, now that I think about it, there is no reason that the millers have to screw anybody. The setup could be designed with them all being pointless. However, the weird discrepancy where chkflip's role mentions loyal/disloyal and the other millers don't seems to be trying to mess with somebody that has loyal/disloyal mods, and I wouldn't expect Xtoxm's real scum role to have those. So I probably still think that's real

Uhh so Lunar why are you so dead on sure that I am scum? This is making me realize i never got to hear from unwnd why they thought i was scum, really. why do you?

Still Glory to think about as well

Ydrasse, Lunar, Glory, am I missing any possibilities? I am sure I am, although i am not much open to considering venus. Chara can only be scum with Ydrasse and I don't really think its scum anyway

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i dont know how serious this role claiming specificity / concession discussion is

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yea this is exactly like claiming vanilla townie Flavor Leaf

sometimes your brilliance really does burn too brightly in the night sky

idk what to tell you if you think Vanilla isn't a role, that's just a dumb take

I legitimately cannot tell if this argument is a joke or not

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Man, I hard hard gut read MT as town

you've saved me 3 or 4 times from when i thought i was going to die by now so maybe i appreciate it

but at the same time idk if im happy about it. Why do you keep bothering to save me if you don't care about misfades and/or are apathetic? So many people preoccupied with suspecting me after all

I suppose I'll pitch in in the case this is a serious argument -- claiming any part of my role PM causes me to hesitate -- roles normally like VT or Jailkeeper wouldnt, but a mega screwy theme role with 17 different parts would probably make me wait. Reason I'm not sure if you're being serious or not is because there's a huge difference between the two

uhhh i guess i'll just.. chill now

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This game's weird, there's people playing less than i am which took me a while to realize. Something about this one

i agree from what I've seen Ali played well

Do we have confirmation that Lunar is a rolestopper, or is it still just a claim from them?

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Honestly, idc if you're town Lunar, i'll still policy because I don't like the way you've been playing this game, alongside not seeing you as having townie actions

Honestly, that's why I played this way FL, because I don't like the extent to which you dominated the thread, and thought I'd give you a bit of a puzzle.

I could certainly buy this from town!Lunar. Course scum!Lunar could use it as a ruse to not play, sure.

Flavor you have leashed me since night 2 I honestly don't know how you haven't mechanically cleared me by now.

This does seem to imply Lunar actually has a rolestop ability if they have been using it this long with targets chosen by FL, i would probably expect to get that confirmed at some point

scum kinda already had a rolestopper player, would be a tad odd to see that doubled i guess. Probably somewhat leaning towards the purposefully anti-town town interpretation although wouldn't really be terribly surprised to see a second scum rolestopper either at this point

Scum is definitely respecting Lunar's rolestop -- they are actively avoiding killing Hop. They're willing to kill within the PoE (Fire), so why not Lunar? I suppose that Lunar is a tier or two below Fire to be fair. I probably wouldn't want to kill there either on further thought

Probably still leaning Ydrasse

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are you guys trolling each other or being genuinely serious abt the read accuracy and apathy stuff? It seems like trolling but it's also dragging on too long for it to be a joke

i like the song ydrasse (´ω｀*)

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VOTE: Ydrasse

Would prefer voting me sooner than i'd vote star most likely

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i volunteer as next elim if we do Ydrasse

Not that im in a position to make deals exactly, but

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I get the sense that a lot of people's scumreads on me override your townread

but i want to get in the PT before i die so :/

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The only acceptable elims today are {Ydra, Lunar, MT}
No other elims are acceptable period.

Skitter didn't need to die guys

I would never vote outside this group save for like a really good reason on Glory or something

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elim tweetie

if im alive tomm ill catch the last scum

ignore flavor leaf he's just hard throwing at this point

Irregardless of FL you're still wrong on me Pooky and i really dont think you have anything beyond soul-reading Hectic's choices. Do Ydrasse first so I can join your PT? I will completely give up on the next day if you want

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elim tweetie

if im alive tomm ill catch the last scum

ignore flavor leaf he's just hard throwing at this point

Irregardless of FL you're still wrong on me Pooky and i really dont think you have anything beyond soul-reading Hectic's choices. Do Ydrasse first so I can join your PT? I will completely give up on the next day if you want

Tweet, posts like this make it hard to believe you're town. i don't know what it is about the PT things that pings me every time. i suppose it's because it seems like something that has very little to do with winning the game, and your other posts do seem concerned with that. but saying "please, i want to survive one more day for [non-game related reason]" doesn't mesh with that much for me.

Well at first it was gonna confirm me as town after it strips my mods but apparently it doesnt do that but i already got my heart set on it and ive been walking up for days so enhhh

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But i see what you're saying Chara

although im not gonna not say it just cause it looks scummy

Cause i am going to be a little sad if i walked all the way and got saved by FL 4-5 times just to die at the finish line

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anyway just vote tweetie so when she flips red we can gloat about it to FL since he townreads her

pls dont involve me in the ego fest thing

It's not gonna work in your favour either

if you elim me do it because of reasoning that made me scum

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This does piss me off a little bit, but i'm going to chalk it up as out of my control. at least on this particular day. I don't think there's any engagement i can make to help my case at this point

i really do think you're hitting scum with Ydrasse

Star/Venus are never scum
Chara can only be scum with Ydrasse
Xtoxm has role spec
Glory definitely is playing the game (i have definitely liked some of their stuff but have not read super closely)
then Lunar + Ydrasse but i can buy Lunar being town a lot easier. So i'd probably soonest guess Ydrasse + one of the bottom 2-3

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I'm ok with either Ydrasse or Tweetie.

I like tweetie more because the unwnd shot points more towards tweetie and she has a few posts that pinged me.

vote ydrassssse orr idk

Or don't. I'm not gonna self meta im not gonna do it

if i stay in this game i'd point you to how both flipped scum clearly wanted to kill me

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your takes are fire, you're my favorite in this game

i apologize that making you my favorite and townie in this game gets you pushed, but that's all part of it

i think what got me pushed is playing like i was drunk and/or angry about something for the first half of the game as well as other stuff thati s just seriously deteriorating my play

But i will concede you townreading me at this particular moment is making my case less fun since this elim is now less about the game more about dick measuring utilizing me as the ruler

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Or don't. I'm not gonna self meta im not gonna do it

if i stay in this game i'd point you to how both flipped scum clearly wanted to kill me

i am morbidly curious about the self meta.

You asked for it, although really i went over the gyst of it angrily @ pooky one of those other days and he didnt seem to really mind it much. so if you saw that there might not be anything fun and new

My scum meta is nothing if it is not consistent. Across the 3 games I have played this year, i have the same scumtells down to a fucking T.

I post infrequently -- playing scum makes me stressed out, so i am more likely to find excuses irl to not play and make excuses in thread. As town I'll battle through some hard stuff just to shitpost in thread even if im not gonna read the game. In fact, i fall back on the "aaAaA i haven't read up so im scared to post :(" excuse as scum all the time whereas as town I will actively just not read parts of the game

when i analyze, it's majorly summaries of stuff that happened rather than giving my own takes. This is because i am a lot more awkward around reads as scum -- they just dont jive around super fluidly in my head and im worried about being consistent. So when i try to look towny it's usually big posts that summarize stuff that happened with very little of my own thought put in. I'm working on this though, so expect some posts that dont match it exactly

Legitimately look at my 3 scum games (or take my word for it), they are all really similar. I think i come off as a little extra stiff, i do focus pretty hard on gameplay in an attempt to get townreads.. and I do NOT make posting mistakes. At least for the most part. This comes from how i go over what i write several times when im scum (Really really stressed out playing scum - this stress comes from letting a team down btw). So "scumslips" will almost never happen, i wont allow em cause ppl might take them seriously as scumslips. As town i really don't usually go over what ive written much unless it's like a big case where i care. I also hit submit without thinking a lot

Smaller bit.. i vote a lot less as scum i think I've noticed. People use VCA.. people get snap scumreads from votes.. I usually hide from voting and make up excuses for why i'm not. Now don't get me wrong i dont get scumreads as town often at all -- but i am willing to lend my vote to other people for pressure nonetheless. As scum it just comes off as too risky a lot of the time

If i'm looking at this game, i'd say i have half the posts i got. Also, I would have given up on one of the attempted eliminations on me almost surely -- I really thought i was going to die and I am stressed out by the idea of accidentally outing my partners thru associatives (even on accident). So one of those four or five wagons would have certainly gotten me.

Fuck i could probably continue if i keep thinking on it more but that should be enough to get the idea at least. i said i wasn't gonna do it in that post cause pooky doesn't GAF and honestly if the only thing i can defend myself with is self meta, i guess that's kind of a weak thing to do. But.. i can certainly do it if i want. I've never had a game like this as scum (in my admitedly small sample size). My scum game is consistent with my own perceived idea of extremely safe scum play cause I am terrified of the alignment. However, my town play is wildly inconsistent -- sometimes it looks like my scum play in some ways, but other times it looks like this game where I probably have made more scummy sounding posts than i've ever made in my entire time on the site

done for real now

thank u for coming to my ted talk or whatevr

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If i'm looking at this game, i'd say i have half the posts i got.

I was trying to say "If i were scum this game, i'd say I would have like half the posts i got" here

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damn, Tweet. your self-meta post really hit close to home. i think i was right in my earlier feeling that your scumgame feels like mine, though i didn't realize it was due to similar anxieties about the alignment.

Scum is just the worst and it's entirely my fault for it being so, really, i take it much too seriously

like i have a team when im town too so ??? but feels more personal and you're a greater piece of your team i suppose

I did get that feeling we had similarities earlier this game too yh (´･ω･`)

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Morning Tweet locktown!!

-Mason bro Pluto

wheeeee!!!!!!!!!!

im tired

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i always get excited when i roll scum, but then the stress hits. you don't want to fail your team, you don't want to be the reason they lost, etc. you have a less dramatic effect on the game as town, right?

The furthest extent i can get excited as scum is when i get townread, and maybe at the beginning of the game if i really like my teammates

That is exactly why town not scary yeah. And also to an extent, i am just playing how I would as town. There is (basically) no wrong way for me to show that i am town since whatever i am doing is the standard for me being town and it is not my job to read me

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MT, you're bleedingly obvious town

thank u i think probably

btw all 3 of {Ydra Lunar MT} voted Skitter at some point during yesterday and somehow we STILL elim'd skitter

Oops

To be fair Ydrasse is on every wagon

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Flavor Leaf
Hopkirk
Ydrasse
Starcrossed (Pooky+Kanna Hydra)
Chara
Glory and Mel (Gamma Emerald and Alisae)
Xtoxm
Venus Mars and Pluto (Nancy Drew 39, Auro, and Shiro)
Hectic
Lunar Martian

Wait how did MT literally shoot to the top of the pl

i flew up there

wheeewwwww flip flap

I didn't do it N2 cause i thought i might screw someone up by moving (??) but every other night i figured i would want to be further from center so im less accessible since miller i guess? And obviously now im vying for the magical universe chat

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If you're town, you have done all that you could have.

i appreciate it

yes. If Ydrasse flips scum, we get to clear MT here.

i'll be ecstatic if this happens. At least as ecstatic as i can be about this game rn anyway. what a journey

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See you all then

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During the night, Hopkirk has died!

i did not kill this man

(^ω^)

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Starcrossed (Pooky+Kanna Hydra)

Venus Mars and Pluto (Nancy Drew 39, Auro, and Shiro)

Lunar Martian
Chara
Xtoxm
Glory and Mel (Gamma Emerald and Alisae)

Using glory's track to clear one more person (or if scum kills glory) wins game no matter what (?) does it not?

Unless we can't trust Xtoxm's results i guess

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if xtox flips town we have enough results to win

if xtox flips scum we um just win?

i mean if it doesn't work on you, not if he's lying. Like if you're magical then u technically arent cleared

Dont really think it's Chara/Star/Glory anyway

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Spoiler:

this was funnier in my head

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seriously??

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Pretty sure skitts got a poem by someone at some point

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Wait didnt you guys have lunar rolestop Glory...?

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and the point was to test if lunar was a rolestopper

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oh no yea chara is killer at scum but hopefully not in this particular game

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VOTE: Xtoxm

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I'm down for slowrolling becuase I want to make Hectic concede.
If he's going to draw it out I want to make this as slow and painful as possible for him

Never surrender

See you on day 9

Spoiler:

this was funnier in my head

Been a rough game huh
You shoulda just asked me if you'd done your towntell yet and I could've cleared you earlier

36 votes!!! I've been voted an estimated ~50-60 times across my 23 completed games. this has been nuts

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woot

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Morning was off the table because she despises scum with a passion lol

Chara is in a similar place but doesn't hate it *as* much, so might've picked later

bless

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Sorry tweetie

This was fun

During the night where I was gathering all the votes on me, i finally stumbled across the part where you explained the scumread on me. that's on me for never reading that part, i legit thought u had never explained it. i get it now (≧ω≦) i was scummy

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Most proud of my MT read

I didnt even need the town tells from MT, i just saw they were so incredibly genuine

morning-whisperer

i TR MT after i worked out the towntell

You better be trolling

is it that obvious? I am going to lose my mind over this

Setup-wise there is no situation where I'd pick less than 3 masons as the town stump so i agree that it's a balancing problem -- it's probably way too much to expect for scum to find the masons in such a large game (plus PRs to worry about)

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Papa boon saved you

I enjoyed the picture you made, it was funny

ty (>ω<)

bruh, Day 2 when you did your thing I knew you were town doing it, which I guess is decently obvious, but yeah, i thought you did well this game too, and your MT read made sense, but something just held me against it, which I'm super happy it did, because that was the most precious part of this game to me.

Despite the people I trusted pushing MT, I just felt MT town.

and ty papa boon

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Morning Tweet I knew you were town from the beginning I would have fought for you til the end

I also recommend joining Warehouse 13 Mafia currently in signups in the Large Theme queue!

Oh yeah, you got me on post #1, and you nailed a ton of other townreads too i noticed. i wish you would've been around!