electoral college mafia (now its done watch it go)

[VFP]

VOTE: T3
No solo group for you.
Flea next!

[VFP]

Okay, so we can just take that solo groups are pretty strong right now.
I'll probably want to sort these first and if nothing, I'll follow whoever is most alpha in group 1.

[VFP]

Curious why you think that. Their two votes, and as the mod just informed, they don't have real impact until the majority in the 8P bloc are voting together.

Because they actually have the power to make a split decision if the option is there, the group of 8 people less so.

[VFP]

I thought that the Blocs switched around every round?

I don't see that?

[VFP]

I think they're only powerful in certain situations (D2 with 8P bloc untouched, D1 with all 3P blocs voting together). I still think the 8P is more powerful overall. Also as Flow Trap says, the wording of the rules make it seem like there's a possibility of blocs changing with each day.

That's actually fair, D1 it would require both single or 2/3 in a 3 group to do this.
I take my comment back.

[VFP]

You got any alignment thoughts about any players right now, VFP?

Not yet, majority is just about setup or what appears to be inside knowledge / reads on others.
I can't really do RVS / beginning stages too well.

[VFP]

VOTE: Mozamis

Anya I'm town reading and seems my group is going for a town block with a few. I'll sheep!

[VFP]

I liked mom until the "claim". It was yucky.

Bad claim, most likely town though.

[VFP]

VOTE: Flow Trap

Since you're okay with this.

[VFP]

but why? VOTE: momrangal

Just feels more natural coming from a town than scum there. I don't think scum would have gone for such a role as it's one that will sort itself out anyway.
Even if people don't believe it, D1 lim here would just be terrible.

VOTE: mozamis

VOTE: mozamis

[VFP]

I'm not sure if I see flow trap's responses to votes as scum.

But when in Rome
VOTE: Flow trap

[VFP]

Tris can be town. That's some serious effort to track that. (Yes I'm aware effort does not mean town.)

It would be more effort if the VC wasn't on the same page.

[VFP]

Tris can be town. That's some serious effort to track that. (Yes I'm aware effort does not mean town.)

It would be more effort if the VC wasn't on the same page.

Disagree. I only skimmed the VC, assuming - wrongly - that it looked ok.

The difference being you wasn't looking to see how close.
I looked, I know who is in each group, I saw the votes and within a few seconds I knew the situation.

Let's not try and play this off as a high effort move.
Credit for pointing out (depending on the alignment of Flow) but not for high effort.

[VFP]

This entire catch up from Moz just looks fake and forced.
I don't belive that you thought it was a hammer there after responding to a post concerning what needs to occur.

If you aren't paying attention to the details during a 'catch up' then there's most likely a reason why.

[VFP]

you must be mafia to know the number of mafia alive

VOTE: flow trap

1 down 4 to go

VOTE: Flow Trap

[VFP]

VOTE: mozamis

Thats all for now.

[VFP]

VOTE: mozamis

Thats all for now.

why?

Because you're scum.

And your scum buddies were pushing the agenda of Mom scum yesterday.
Lim you, then we can work on the rest.

[VFP]

Oh so you're calling me scum then?

It's plausible as I have gone through everyone who was pushing this yet or just trying to discredit the claim in anyway.
But I will.

[VFP]

mozamis has been willing to contrbute, VFP hasn't. That ppretty much sums up my reads on this. I'm like 75% sure there is a mafia between them. VOTE: VFP

What makes you think we can't be S v S here?
The problem with aiming for a T v S, and even more so giving a % showing doubt is that it gives you an out.
This can be considered as what scum do.

You have volunteed for me to look at first, so thank you, I'll get onto this now.

[VFP]

You have volunteed for me to look at first, so thank you, I'll get onto this now.

Disregard that, you haven't read the game and you there's nothing outside of me to work on.
Tell me though, do you think mozamis's contribution is town?

[VFP]

I want to know VFPs thoughts on tris considering we've had the townFlow flip.

I'll read Tris now and let you know.

[VFP]

I want to know VFPs thoughts on tris considering we've had the townFlow flip.

I'll read Tris now and let you know.

The vote and lim of Flow Trap wasn't bad other than being a town. Not only did we hit a VT without having to draw more PRs out, it was a spot that would have hard focus today and easy to narrate as scum.
411 however, just looks like Tris ISO Flow Trap instead of just simply reading the page.
It was pretty obvious the vote was in connection to my vote on them. Possibly just looking for a reason to vote Flow without looking sus.

THAT SAID................. Tris thinks Moz is scum.
So I'm going to be biased here. So unless I'm wrong on Moz (feel free to tell me why , and I'm going to read back over anyway) or both are just scum who think that Moz is in a safe enough possition to push (un likely), I don't think Tris is scum.
I think this needs to be addressed again shortly though as I don't want to tunnel regardless here.

Outside of the FlowTrap and Moz read, so lets try and take the biased opinion.
I wouldn't say that Tris looks to be solving, but instead looks to be trying to appear town and asking questions / making comments without really following up.
the biggest issue I have is 371. I'm not sure if I'm reading this as an actual niave comment from town, or scum pointing out something on their mind. Personally there was less need for response here and 366 has no scum motive to it (I'll follow up later).

Not much else of a read other than Tris can be argued as being the passive player and agreeing or backing down when challenged too easily. It happened while voting Mom, it happened with reading gypyx. But that can easily be a town trait as much as scum.
It's not something I'm overly worried about right now, but by no means am I making Tris hardstuck, even if Moz were to flip red.

[VFP]

Locktown (surprised people are voting mozamis and not engaging me there on why mozamis is up there but mozamis is up there for damn good reason)

I haven't started on your posts yet. But I'll bite.
What's the reason?

[VFP]

Hi, I have read most of the game.

Hold up... who claimed what? (No, not fishing just confused becuase I saw someon mention a claim
)

Let me help you out a bit here, since a chuck of the game was about this claim.

Actually

Gonna hard claim pgo protective.

Have fun with it

Either not paying attention to the game but trying to play it off as caught up. Scum/Town
Knew the claim from scum talk, playing off to look town for not knowing. Scum

Not in your favour here.

What's your reads right now?

[VFP]

Also mom is a weird kill coming from scum!tsursu

This would be a much better take if there was only 1 scum.

[VFP]

I think Anya is town.

[VFP]

Should we now do the same? To avoid the pairing at least?

[VFP]

So I have a theory and OutWorldER, Tris, Anya, and Auro are all town.
If there is a scum in there it is Tris. But probably all town.

[VFP]

So I have a theory and OutWorldER, Tris, Anya, and Auro are all town.
If there is a scum in there it is Tris. But probably all town.

OK, so who else?

Who else is town? I'm working on that.

[VFP]

So I have a theory and OutWorldER, Tris, Anya, and Auro are all town.
If there is a scum in there it is Tris. But probably all town.

why so specific?

Just a thought so far.

[VFP]

I think I can follow A50.

[VFP]

VFP and bugsprayare scummy. Anya is less scummy but still scummy. VOTE: VFP

I think you might be town hunting rather than scum hunting given those reads.
T3 is probably town though.

[VFP]

VFP is mafia for reasons I have stated already, and when those reasons were pointed out not actually addressing them.

You got me there.

[VFP]

VOTE: Vax

[VFP]

Even the mod thinks the votes on me is ludicrous.

[VFP]

At some point you need to question "how did we let scum steer this game so hard?"

[VFP]

Me

[VFP]

I think there is 3 scum on my wagon right now, and that's only because the 4th is Randy.
Moz, Gypyx, and Tsutsu.

[VFP]

I don't know how to read mastina, but I'd say town as I don't see much difference to my last game with mastina (with what there is to work with) This is a slot I'd rather look into more Day 4 or so.

At this stage Tsutsu is more likely as scum than Moz. When the Moz wagon got too big, hopped off and tried to slow it down. Keeps talking about getting rid of Moz but just ignoring it all together. Either looking to save a scum buddy or as pointed out, will be an easy mis lim if town. Either way scum.

Moz is scum for posting mostly worthless comments and forced comments while pushing the narrative still that low posts means scum. The posting from Moz has no real backing and reasons of reads are just meh.

[VFP]

also VFP i'd like a claim

I'm sure as scum you do.

[VFP]

i'll take that as a no

The fact I'm not even E1 yet and you sit here demanding a claim worries me. But more for what seems to be the site meta now.
I'll claim when I feel like it's beneficial.

That said, my claim shouldn't affect your vote given how you're voting.
If your agenda here is PR gets benefit of the doubt, then stop thinking like that as a whole. Claims are easy to fake.

I think you're just scum here though wanting claims for the night.

[VFP]

there's already enough claims and softs out there. i really don't see how this point can from from a genuine and logical town mindset

And that's the poor site meta setting in.
What makes me less of a scum in your eyes with a claim right now?

[VFP]

well, it's more that plurality is getting closer, and if you're indeed a PR worth avoiding to exe, i'd rather have time to make a good alternative rather than a deadline scramble?

and PRs do get the benefit of the doubt though, and i don't see how that's a problem

So if I'm scum I get a free pass of a Lim because I claim PR?
So as scum I claim PR here unless I'm Goon and the alternative is scum PR, right?

[VFP]

Also I'm E1 now. After work I'll post more about this.
Maybe claim, maybe not.

Let's think though, Moz... resistance to the wagon.
Me, no resistance.

And it's because scum are leading the game.

[VFP]

maybe, maybe not, you really think i'm gonna tell you what to claim?

don't get the second part

You already did.

I'm saying, if I'm scum the only motivation to not claim PR is if my scum buddy is PR and under fire.

[VFP]

I think there is 3 scum on my wagon right now, and that's only because the 4th is Randy.
Moz, Gypyx, and Tsutsu.

Why am I town then?

Because there's only 4 scum.

[VFP]

Oof attacking the site in defence.

I will say I need to look closer at you interactions with moz because I ain't feelin the vibe rn.

#PhonePosting

It's more attacking the meta that promotes this kind if behaviour. Which in direct is to the players, not the site.
Also, I'm not here to appease you, however much you feel this is the case.

You can explain how what I'm saying is wrong though.

Bad post from Flea.

[VFP]

I'm not sure how anyone is reading Anya as scum.
Just plain lazy.

[VFP]

Plausible scum theater with T3, but I strongly doubt it.
In fact, I think there's more chance I flip red here.

[VFP]

I'm not sure how anyone is reading Anya as scum.
Just plain lazy.

Just plain lazy is aimed at people calling Anya as scum.
Anya is doing great effort imo.

[VFP]

*caster voice*AAand we have a bold move as they from the sitewide meta strike to a pin pointed attack against a player who, on record, does not give a flying pork chop about peoples opinions on if faer good or bad!

Lets save me some trouble and go down for SUDDEN DEATH SHOWDOWN

Where have I implied that you're just here for my entertaaaainnmeeeeeent OR just to appease me? Like what is this angle? looks like an obtuse one to me honestly.

You're then wanting me to leap to the defence of the site I think? Why the fuck would I do that? I'm one voice in the community and the community will pass judgement.

A lot of my posts are bad, keep up luvvie. <3

Another bad post here.
But with genuine believe that I'm getting under your skin to a harsher level than trying to show with this type of post, I'm going to leave the back on fourth concerning this part alone.

I will however, stand by my point that the expectation of claiming and the benefit of the doubt to anyone that claims PR for that reason is just gross.

We can discuss a more light hearted topic though, like who are my scum buddies?

[VFP]

Meanwhile you're here saying Anya is Town but doing Scum Theatre...

No, I'm not saying that Anya is doing scum theatre, I am saying T3 is.
The name is in the post.

[VFP]

Claiming a PR will always put doubt in the mind of those whom are 100% of your elimination, say its shitty all you want, nobody wants to lose a town power get yeeted because they played it badly
I personally dont give a monkeys left buttcheek if you claim or when when - and honestly good on ya for not claiming at this point because you're like E-2? I dunno I need to actually pay attention to numbers at some point and an early claim no matter how you fluff it, is scummy. Your protests could be fakeclaiming scum trying to work out whats viable, could just be smart scam, or you could just be VT with a chip on ya shoulder. idgaf. I think your votes and behaviour so far have been absolute bog water and combined with your weird ass defensiveness I'm pretty much sold on you being scum.

When you flip red, I'll be looking at you and moz in better detail, I'm pretty sure you and OWER are connected somehow and I'll be looking back at all your votes to see who you're sheepin after.

You mis understand me, there is a time for it and you do take in consideration depending on the situation.
Wanting a claim before E1 though and basically saying a PR claim means move else where is scum or bad town meta.

You seem fixed on only looking at my comment where it's bad meta rather thN whT I'm getting at. So either you mis understand me or just don't actually care if you get scum.
It also concerns me that this argument or situation never came up for Moz. Meaning scum wasn't interested in getting a claim there.

You also miss over my point where there is no resistance here. Its convenient you say my defence is only an attack.

So explain why I'm directly scum again? What makes me scum from before your vote?

But you're connecting T3 to Anya... so technically both.

Let me clarify here. "Scum Theatre with T3" would mean 'T3 is doing scum theatre' where I'm from.
Anya is not involved in this post or comment.

[VFP]

We definitely crossing wires here I think, feels like we're arguing the same side kinda. If you do somehow flip green, then we definitely need a look at Gypyx and whoever else was pushing the claim.

Directly scum is some big boi words. To me thats you gotta be outright caught by either CC, direct and blatent connections or just a claim. Nobody here is "directly scum", its still a big enough game to be yeeted immediately if someone is directly scum.

So far, you're scum by the virtue of your weak ass sheep voting patterns, that its taken this wagon to squeeze anything significant out of you.

At this point I'm not sure if you are just mocking how I type or speak...

So who is T3 theatring with?

Themselves? Acting as if they didn't know...?
I still believe it wasn't I just want to make it clear.

[VFP]

VFP you have pocketed me i will ride the rest of this game out in purse

VFP is about to die lol. If he flips town, you should probably die for saying this when he's at E-1

Scum trying to line up the next mis lim

[VFP]

For the record I'm a doctor.

[VFP]

I'm not one to complain in the dead PTs.

[VFP]

For the record I'm a doctor.

UNVOTE: Prevent the nk tonight and I'll think about believing it.

This needs shooting if there's a vig.

[VFP]

I have an adaption on my role, yes.

[VFP]

Oh now I need to stop?

[VFP]

For the record I'm a doctor.

i find this dubious

And I believed the JK was town. Crazy.

[VFP]

I did say I was at work.
Simple doctor. Only VT and goons.

Wow isn't revealing roles helpful to town?

[VFP]

Wtf is this mentality?
'Answer me now or be voted'

[VFP]

I did say I was at work.
Simple doctor. Only VT and goons.

Wow isn't revealing roles helpful to town?

hmmm, gotta think about this

did you crumb?

No.

[VFP]

Believed flow flipped scum.
Also... has a theory that proves game setup.

Okay.

[VFP]

Oh so I just hammered him?

I think I need 1 more.

[VFP]

When I finish work I will

[VFP]

That's a shame.

[VFP]

When I finish work I will

just throw names really

You, Moz.
T3 seems the too obvious choice but the game you just modded I thought the same about A50.

[VFP]

vfp is town pretty sure

I have a theory about the setup. VFP claimed simple doc, which does not fit with my theory.

Ah snap, foiled by a theory

[VFP]

I'm confident VFP is scum

Don't forget this part.
Sometimes obvious scum, is just obvious scum.

VOTE: VFP

[VFP]

Night 1 action was on Xtoxm.

[VFP]

And if the theroy is based on "Oh I didn't think and odd night action and a simple would match" or something as bad as that, don't let it slide.

[VFP]

Vig should shoot in T3, Randy or Moz.
Moz was my counter wagon that had a lot of resistence. Even that fact alone spills scummy.

Tsutsu is actually probably town.

[VFP]

T3, Randy

These 2 mainly encase town, just take out easy mis lims.

[VFP]

I think there's scum in Gypyx or Auro.
I'd lean more towards Gypyx though.

[VFP]

Town
Xtoxm, Flea, Tsutsu, Anya

Mostly town like
bugspray, tris

No read
Vaxkiller, OutWorldER, mastina, Almost50

Lower part of null
lendunistus, Auro

Scum or easy mis lim pile
Randy, T3, Gypyx, mozamis

[VFP]

So who's scum now, T3?
If I flip green of course.

[VFP]

Outside of your game breaking theroy as well.

[VFP]

Lets not pretend that a hammer didn't happen.

[VFP]

I'm not sure if people really don't understand the how the voting is done here or if I'm wrong...
7 votes is a lim from group 1.

[VFP]

Yes, and read the special rules.

[VFP]

Actually I tihnk Tsutsu is just trolling with that.
I do not believe that players do not understand the voting system by now.

[VFP]

I would hope so, anyway.

[VFP]

I don't understand, do you have some problem with me out of game or something?
I'm eliminated anyway, I'm not sure why you are trying to tilt me when I'm just giving after lim thoughts and discussions?

[VFP]

Okay, but you're reacting as if I've been pushing you hard all game...
I flip flop on reads because I end up over thinking why I think someone is town / scum.

[VFP]

But anyways just give final reads assuming you're town.

I already did this.

[VFP]

Mmk. I don't know what you want me to say here. I've been pretty clear on how scummy I believe you are.

Then just think I'm scummy. I'm already eliminated so I'm not talking my way out of it if I'm red.
I don't know, but I guess it is what it is.

We'll see on the flip.

[VFP]

Assuming you are town here, you're mind is probably a mess right now because a huge chunk of this playerlist thinks ur scum. That does not mean they are scum. That means they were pinged by posts you made.

Your job as dead town(assuming you aren't twilight trolling) is to figure out who has been trying to sort you and who actually thinks ur scum opposed to those that dont.

I'm not calling people scum for calling me scum?
1468 is clear evidence that I'm not doing that. Since 2 out of my 4 town reads are calling mer scum...

[VFP]

What is your read on T3, Mastina, Flea?

Scum / Null / Town

T3 - Started early saying they read the game, didn't and proved that by asking who claimed (Mom's claim).
Just hasn't been reading the game and posting to be there.
Claims my role can't work because of a theroy but won't discuss this until tomorrow.
Plausible mis lynch, but sometimes scummy is just scum.

Mastina I don't know. I just see a lot of players only rely on meta or late game. I don't see much difference from mastina with my 1 completed game.

Flea I just like the posting provided. Unless I was just being mocked earlier, I think decent points were said from Flea.

what about xtoxm, Mozamis, Auro?

Town / Scum / Lower Null

Xtoxm I like how they are progressing the game, just feels town. I felt confident enought to protect them last ngiht.

Moz I already said about this slot. Just scum with a lot of posts, lack of content and pushing the narrative that scum is in low posters. That said, not pushing or trying for particular low posting slots.
Resistence to the wagon for unknown reasons.

Auro I don't dislike the idea of Auro town. I was thinking slightly town until Auro mis repped what I said about T3 and scum theater. Felt like Auro didn't actually read the pages of today and just took snips out. So not for saying I'm scum, but pretending to read the game. Plausible just town not wanting to read yet either.

[VFP]

farewell vfp i will try to dispense justice on your behalf

I believe in you!

[VFP]

in your one completed game with mastina, what alignment was she

Town.

[VFP]

I did replace in though, so I didn't have the live knowldge of the game. I think I joined in day 3, and mastina died night 5.

[VFP]

If I say flea is definitely scum, VFP what is the town case on faer?

It's not a strong one to explain.
I think half the posts Flea make give more content that credit is given for.
When I was talking with Flea earlier (again I'm going to assume it was legit mis understanding each other) Flea looks to be trying to get the point through properly. Seemed geniune.
I think I remember Flea worried about tunneling Moz and was looking outside of Moz. Could have just sat on Moz as scum. I would need to go through the game again though encase I'm remember thing wrong but thought it as a possitive originally.

[VFP]

Flea looks to be trying to get the point through properly.

Ok but what if I tell you that Flea almost always gets flashwagoned before day 3?
Why does everyone here think the faerie is very towny?
Have you ever thought about that?

I'm not sure how to thin about this.
When it involves meta I have zero clue. Maybe there are just so many players looking scummy (myself included) that just paint Flea in a better light.

[VFP]

Thanks Schadd for the game.
GG scum!