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Makes no sense given WH13, where I was the only one to pick up on a loophole the mod didn't catch in the pregame, and I did not start out shitpostingIn post 135, mastina wrote:Prism is already exuding similar energy to my experience with Prism as town. I instantly clicked with Prism's opener as being town and the things Prism are doing just feel town to me in a way that's a bit hard to articulate. Call it gut if you must but I'm just pretty sure that this is Prism as town. Granted, I've not actually seen Prism as scum but this feels like Prism as town.-
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My posting across games is intentionally very similar. The fact that this start is not remotely similar to the start of WH13 remains, and it is odd that you think starting out shitposting-as opposed to using it to keep myself sane over the course of the game, which is the norm- seems to be a towntell.
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When I was in college I used to get wicked hammered. My nickname was Puke. I would chug a fifth of SoCo, sneak into a frat party, polish off a few people's empties, some brewskies, some Jell-O shots, do some body shots off myself, pass out, wake up the next morning, boot, rally, more SoCo, head to class. Probably would have gotten expelled if I had let it affect my grades, but I aced all my courses. They called me Ace. It was totally awesome.
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I should interject and say normally you shouldn't do this imo, you want to see what they say then compare. I specifically wanted to see if Vax would try to cook up a third option, or try really hard to explain the shift. I'm not really sure how to feel about the answer of different every game/not really remembering 2181, but fishing doesn't mean you catch something every time.In post 300, T3 wrote:At ths point bell feel like high postcount but lacking in content. The reads almost feel forced.
Prism sticks out to me as very townys for the moment. Like Prism threw shade on Vax but offered a reasonable explanation for what it could be. samantha is strong town for the total war thing.-
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Since this is dependent on speed, if anyone is super lazy/will struggle to put together a list in time for DEFCON 4, here's a sample draft that should work fine for town.
If you want a nuclear weapon go Submarine into Silo.
If you want to prioritize PRs here's my general suggestion or template:
1. Espionage
2. Fighter
3. Battleship
4. Aircraft Carrier
5. Submarine
6. Radar
7. Counterintelligence
8. Strategic Missile Defense
9. Covert Ops
10. Eavesdrop
11. Silo
Mix it up as you want. If you think drawing a scum PR is lame, gimme town PR or nuke, go for it. I did not include Fail Safe, Fallout Shelter, or Air Base in this list as I don't think the first two should generally be picked and I think Air Base should go to Bell/have scum burn a pick to block him getting it.-
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I'm finding it really hard to stay interested in mafia at the moment but I don't see why people have gorilla or myself as town. This is very par for the course, mastina's read makes no sense even if I feel she's town anyway, and gorilla really hasn't done anything special either except for 664, which is a good post.-
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It is bad because it is specifically Mena/Skitter whose dynamic I saw in 2181
These are all natural even if underexplained. I disagree with gorilla town but understand why people townread him, for example. Equi+Reck was another one that stuck out to me the same way, as is Sam. IIRC Mena had a weird theory about reading me from 2181 but that is the only moderately red flag to me here.In post 651, The Church of Skitter wrote:Ya I'm honestly not sure if there is anything else that's even worth having my vote on tbh.
Cephir is probably fine
Bell is probably fine but I need to keep an open mind
Prism is probably fine but I should probably be keeping an open mind
Pooky is showing us that he is proud to be an American
gorilla seems probably fine
Equi + Reck seems fine so far but I need to keep an open mind
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FWIW with Skitter she appears to get the same treatment I give Nacho of actively hating her reads & process every game, which is not to say that her reads or process are actually wrong but that I tend to find her scummy every single game.
P-Edit: It's a player in the Et Al hydra and a separate hydra, Church of Skitter, run by two simps-
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My pride and desire to find it myself means I will not ask to trade but know that I am both envious and upsetIn post 902, Merlot wrote:In post 885, Prism wrote:Merlot has an icon that is the manifestation of what I have been actively searching for since I first made this account and I am upset
I'm assuming this slot is town for the amount/depth of content at my own peril
okay so i don’t think that we’ve played together that much but when i saw this icon and picked it i actually did think it had your sort of vibe LMAO-
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I chose those years because 2011/2014 were the two "golden years" people always pointed to being like "Games were so much better then, kids nowadays" shaking their canes. I am 2010, but fundamentally I just wanted to make funny commentary on the passing of the torch/baton, and feeling like King Bob from Recess in that episode where he builds mud pyramids, rather than make substantive commentary on what a joindate means.In post 925, mastina wrote:You think 2011-2013 EMer makes you old, try being a 2008-2010 EMer. I was on EpicMafia prominently before I was on mafiascum prominently and actually honed my skills there pretty well, and often in weeks had like top-20 placements on the weekly leaderboard without ever going too high (which I was fine with as being the highest gave burden of proficiency and got you policy-nk'd).-
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As much as I dislike hyperposting meta (Ironic for people who know me) if your response to someone having fun is to tell them to shut the fuck up and launch into this condescending tirade about how much worse everything is for it, perhaps you are the one with the unhealthy mindset towards the game. There is not liking a style and finding it detrimental to your experience and there is being a gigantic prick about it.-
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I don't see her as particularly annoying or intolerable this game. If you think she has more scum equity than usual, sure, but the idea we should preemptively policy her for gamehealth in a game where she is doing nothing wrong is disgusting to me.
I don't think it is a puzzle why I looked in previous treatments of the same player as a contrast in behavior. I explicitly found it scummy, and the response suggesting it is at least partially arbitrary, depending on your personal whim to extend mercy game to game, is not reassuring either way. I recognize that you provided a game-related reason for WH13.-
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It is unreasonable. Mastina is a human being and another player who has every much of a right to be here as either of us, and nothing she has done this game has suggested otherwise.
I don't have to like her or respect her play/philosophy on the game to believe this.
If you think I'm shitting the discussion from her being scum, then okay, but I absolutely take issue with this. Standing up for players right to be here and play the game should not be a point of debate and is not AI. This is disgusting to me on a moral level.-
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I don't know what you're referring to here specifically. My guess is that it is my discussion of how the site meta has not adapted to figure out how to punish hyperposters, which was not encouraging policying them but for the site to strategically come up with ways to counteract or circumvent its effectiveness.In post 1144, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I am saying Mastina is scum... And also her playstyle needs a yeet out of this game to learn a lesson.
Infact this is a lesson that Prism taught me in an argument we were having so I don't know why Prism is so upset.
For any other reason, I am not above using threat of a policy as an incentive to change behavior midgame, and I have my own problems with not treating players with an adequate level of respect that to be frank is happening with a disturbingly increased frequency. While circumstantially different, those were still wrong and I would have appreciated intervention.
That said, regardless of source, if the lesson you learned from me is to policy players whose playstyle you dislike, even before they become a problem, I sincerely wish that you unlearn it as quickly as possible.
I want to make that clear but really don't want to continue this further as the conversation has shifted to be more about the substantive issues with the slot. Feel free to take the last word but unless you explicitly require a response from me I will leave it there.-
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I don't have any comments about the mechanics or quality of the game.
I was extremely disappointed in the moderation this game. Time and time again Cakez failed to intervene to protect his players, substituting it for warnings that were blatantly ignored as it was clear they had no teeth behind them. There were too many moments to list, but suffice to say that the moderation team felt 2 bans were warranted as a result of this game while Cakez did not feel they were even worth a forcereplacement. I will openly comment on Reck's since I was one of the reporting parties and gave Cakez a lot of feedback privately, which I felt went nowhere.
I do not feel comfortable signing up for a game moderated by Cakez ever again. He let down and failed to protect multiple players this game, both before and after replaceout, and failed to intervene in even the most egregious scenarios that took place after my replaceout.
Even in a world in which Reck didn't deserve to be forcereplaced for flaming Merlot, the fact that he celebrated and was gleeful and unrepentant publicly in thread about causing 1/2 replaceouts - who could no longer post or respond to his victory lap- was revolting and absolutely deserved a forcereplacement/ban.-
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I understand your perspective for why you chose not to forcereplace them and appreciated the response; at some point we simply disagree which is why I did not continue it via PM. The purpose of my post is that I wanted to make it clear that failing to protect your players has consequences that do not disappear when the game is over: that people will both replace out, and consecutively not sign up for, your games in the future.
This does not extend to you as a player or person, and is only speaking for myself (and no one else) on you as a moderator.-
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Skimming the dead PT, I also want to take a moment to quote this.
My perspective is unchanged. If that was your takeaway from our conversation it is unfortunate.In post 1220, Prism wrote:
I don't know what you're referring to here specifically. My guess is that it is my discussion of how the site meta has not adapted to figure out how to punish hyperposters,In post 1144, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I am saying Mastina is scum... And also her playstyle needs a yeet out of this game to learn a lesson.
Infact this is a lesson that Prism taught me in an argument we were having so I don't know why Prism is so upset.which was not encouraging policying them but for the site to strategically come up with ways to counteract or circumvent its effectiveness.
For any other reason, I am not above using threat of a policy as an incentive to change behavior midgame, and I have my own problems with not treating players with an adequate level of respect that to be frank is happening with a disturbingly increased frequency. While circumstantially different, those were still wrong and I would have appreciated intervention.
That said, regardless of source, if the lesson you learned from me is to policy players whose playstyle you dislike, even before they become a problem, I sincerely wish that you unlearn it as quickly as possible.
I want to make that clear but really don't want to continue this further as the conversation has shifted to be more about the substantive issues with the slot. Feel free to take the last word but unless you explicitly require a response from me I will leave it there.-
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