Townstumps Mafia (Endgame)

[KorVex]

WE'RE SUBMITTING VIGILANTE MASONS IF YOU PICK US AS TREE STUMPS. I THINK IT'S UNFAIR THAT SCUM GET A FACTIONAL NIGHTKILL, SO NOW I'M GONNA MAKE TOWN HAVE A SIMILAR MECHANIC TOO
~ KORI

[KorVex]

i ALSO WANT NM AS THE OTHER STUMP BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T WANNA HAVE TO WASTE ENERGY SORTING NM
~ KORI

[KorVex]

i'd believe you gamma
~ vex

[KorVex]

VOTE: nm

just so we don't have to deal with them as not-confirmed town

~ vex

[KorVex]

i'm of the opinion that townstumps are better used as people we want bulletproof rather than some kind of pre-emptive investigation, or choice for people we think will be hard to sort. i feel as though using it that way is more akin to choosing someone to just remove from the game rather than choosing a voice we want around for the entire game

I'd have to disagree here. I think making someone like NM, who nobody is gonna really have a good time sorting is perfectly valid.
Plus I know NM is a good player, so making them a stump would force them to have to actually play more or less, since we'd be expecting on them to lead town a bit.

~ Kori

[KorVex]

But like, you’re not as bad since at least you have a visible thought process
NM rarely explains his reads which makes it impossible to predict whether he’ll quickhammer or not

Yea, but if we elect NM, we know for a fact his reads are coming from town, which means we don't have to waste energy on that.

[KorVex]

But like, you’re not as bad since at least you have a visible thought process
NM rarely explains his reads which makes it impossible to predict whether he’ll quickhammer or not

Yea, but if we elect NM, we know for a fact his reads are coming from town, which means we don't have to waste energy on that.

This is Kori btw.
Easy way to tell me and Vex apart is I will use proper grammar/capitalization, and Vex won't.

~ Kori

[KorVex]

I mean, I don't really care about rolling scum. I'm using the two stumps as players I don't wanna have to sort if I roll town, and players who I'd have to nk if I rolled scum.
I've already stated I will submit vigilante mason though.

~ Kori

[KorVex]

Technically, keeping them as a stump would be less helpful as scum, but it saves us a night overall, so I see that as a win if I roll scum.

[KorVex]

You're forgetting I like a challenge. Keeping someone who I would probably NK to remove from the game as a treestump would be challenging, and therefore fun for me.

~ Kori

[KorVex]

I mean, I don't really care about rolling scum. I'm using the two stumps as players I don't wanna have to sort if I roll town, and players who I'd have to nk if I rolled scum.
I've already stated I will submit vigilante mason though.

~ Kori

A role that is normal like but belongs to two players (a masonry with a shared vig shot, for example) is not a single normal role and is thus not an eligible submission.

Vigilante Mason is one role, with two separate powers.
The first power is the vigilante shot.
The second power is the masonry.

[KorVex]

you could just submit "mason vigilante" and "mason backup vigilante" kekw

Yea, but the stump only gets one role to submit, and that'd require the second stump to submit mason backup vigi, when Jingle has already said he'd add a second mason just to make the role not useless.

[KorVex]

All unsigned posts thus far have been Kori, btw

~ Kori

[KorVex]

I still think vigilante mason is really powerful, because it removes the aspect of a vigilante shot being on town, because now you have *two* people thinking about it, on top of the treestumps knowing about the vigilante shot, and able to direct it accordingly

[KorVex]

I'm just not gonna sign any posts anymore, because it should be obvious when Vex or I is speaking.

[KorVex]

Okie.

What does everyone else think? Since roles aren't assigned yet, I think this is a great opportunity to collaborate on the roles for the tree stumps to submit

The only problem I see with this however is that scum know what to be looking for in terms of crumbs, and then scum know more or less the exact setup.
I'm only sharing one of my ideas for a pick.

[KorVex]

Yea, but we don't know what the scum have in return.

[KorVex]

The entire thing is that scum know exactly what they're looking for, but we don't know what we're looking for.

[KorVex]

pretty sure a strongman targeting a hider just kills them

[KorVex]

the only role i know that a strongman doesnt kill is a commuter, but that's by virtue of the role
~vv

[KorVex]

nvm, it says so on the wiki:

A Strongman cannot be stopped from performing a kill, unless their target has commuted.

~vv

[KorVex]

ok, wiki actually gives conflicting information.

@mod will a strongman targeting a hider who is hiding kill them, or does the kill fail?

[KorVex]

ok, wiki actually gives conflicting information.

@mod will a strongman targeting a hider who is hiding kill them, or does the kill fail?

better phrasing:
if player a is hider, and they hide behind player c, and player b strongman kills player a, does player a die?
~vv

[KorVex]

Alternative, we make town very low powered so scum becomes low powered

Mountainous?

mountainous is scumsided unless we get to like 17v3 or something
i know 11v2 is like a 39% winrate for town

~vv

[KorVex]

@nsg

It is, however, trumped by roles that prevent the victim from being targeted at all, namely Commuter and Hider.

A Strongman cannot be stopped from performing a kill, unless their target has commuted

it links specifically to commuter as well in the second quote on the wiki, and doesn't say "unless their target has commuted or hides" or something to that effect

[KorVex]

the first quote directly states that commuter/hider prevents strongman from killing, whereas second quote implies that only commuter stops strongman.
~vv

[KorVex]

nor did we
~ vv

[KorVex]

@mod v/la weekends btw

~vex, but also kori supports this