Townstumps Mafia (Endgame)

[House]

VOTE: jjh927

Pretty much PoE. I've never had a townread on you based on your own merits. I was basically sheeping others who townread you.

That's just not good enough anymore.

[House]

Titus
House
DrippingGoofball
Not_Mafia
Gamma Emerald
mastina
cyrus62

PoE votable wagons.

Moongrass
jjh927

Left out:
Mia and Maya Fey (need to cogitate on this)

[House]

House
DrippingGoofball
Not_Mafia
Gamma Emerald
mastina
Titus
cyrus62

PoE votable wagons.

Moongrass
jjh927

Left out:
Mia and Maya Fey (need to cogitate on this)

Lol edit. Forgot to reorder her name from the list I copied.

[House]

That's a scum readslist.

Okay.

[House]

I feel threatened.

I'm a bulletproof, supersaint Mason.

Is this for real? Norwee how could you not make me a mason?

Random thought... if Fey hydra is scum, them blindly believing my lolclaim may be leaking knowledge of masons.

If one of the stumps submitted a Mason PR, we should yeet the Feys.

[House]

fuck you guys for making the day end early. i came in and saw the day was hammered when i finally got time.

see yall on saturday.

That was yesterDay.

[House]

I feel threatened.

I'm a bulletproof, supersaint Mason.

Is this for real? Norwee how could you not make me a mason?

Random thought... if Fey hydra is scum, them blindly believing my lolclaim may be leaking knowledge of masons.

If one of the stumps submitted a Mason PR, we should yeet the Feys.

what kind of cheap fucking discred is this?

are you fishing roles?

If one of them was Mason, it absolutely is me fishing that info out.

If one wasn't, I don't give a rat's patootie what they chose.

[House]

I feel threatened.

I'm a bulletproof, supersaint Mason.

Is this for real? Norwee how could you not make me a mason?

Random thought... if Fey hydra is scum, them blindly believing my lolclaim may be leaking knowledge of masons.

If one of the stumps submitted a Mason PR, we should yeet the Feys.

what kind of cheap fucking discred is this?

are you fishing roles?

If one of them was Mason, it absolutely is me fishing that info out.

If one wasn't, I don't give a rat's patootie what they chose.

cool and nancy believing a claim should lean town to u if you're actually being charitable considering that scum clearly have some info and balance blatantly leaning towards the chosen roles based on the flip and an OP role like that would have a counter, like say, a bulletproof enabler.
how did you reach the conclusion of that leaning scum?

based on the NK flip*

Between the IC and NM's results (and townreading him because I believe him), that leaves you, Titus, cyrus, moon, and jjh.

I townread Titus & cyrus.

That leaves you, moon, and jjh that I haven't developed a townread on.

Moon, I'm a bit worried about because of all the buddying. It's not like we've ever played a game together so I don't understand why they've been treating me like besties and that concerns me.

jjh, I've been sheeping others who have been calling him town but that's not enough anymore.

Nancy jumping to believe a mason claim could be a leak that she knew there is masons in the game because of the roles allotted to scum.

Nothing I'd consider damning for either of you (assuming a stump doesn't speak up on my theory). Basically, PoE.

[House]

Also, if you're wondering why I was hard defending you on d1, it's because I was trying to bait the NK by making scum think we were masons, which you wrecked when you asked me why I townread you so hard.

[House]

Vote Count 1.FINAL

Not Known 15 (7):

mastina, Free Money Free Tea, Mia and Maya Fey, DrippingGoofball, nomnomnom, Not_Mafia, Moongrass,

Moongrass (1):

Gamma Emerald,

Free Money Free Tea (1):

Titus,

Mia and Maya Fey (1):

Not Known 15,

Titus (1):

jjh927,

nomnomnom (0):

jjh927 (0):

House (0):

cyrus62 (0):

mastina (0):

Not_Mafia (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

DrippingGoofball (0):

No Euphemization (0):

Not Voting (2):

House, cyrus62,

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to euphemize and

7

to have no euphemization.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-06-17 17:00:00). At Deadline, currently No Euphemization will occur.

A Hammer has been achieved!

Not Known 15 has been made into a Euphemism Day 1.

He was:

Spoiler:

Mafia Informed Commuter Enabler

Informed Commuter Enabler

You are aware that [Redacted]. If you die, any commuters will be unable to commute.

I think my PoE pool is pretty accurate, and there is likely 1 scum on and 1 scum off the wagon.

I also believe the commuter enabler did not activate a town commuter, or one of the stumps would have vetoed the hammer as the claim was for commuter.

Scum most likely did not bus until the lim became inevitable.

[House]

I am pretty sure Titus is scum here though

I think you’re wrong.

On that, we can agree.

What are your reads of Moon & jjh?

[House]

Page topppppp

[House]

Vote Count 3.01

Titus (4):

jjh927, Moongrass, cyrus62, Mia and Maya Fey,

House (0):

Moongrass (0):

Mia and Maya Fey (0):

jjh927 (0):

cyrus62 (0):

mastina (0):

Not_Mafia (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

DrippingGoofball (0):

No Euphemization (0):

Not Voting (6):

DrippingGoofball, Titus, House, mastina, Gamma Emerald, Not_Mafia,

With 10 alive, it takes

6

to euphemize and

5

to have no euphemization.

The deadline for Day 3 is in (expired on 2021-06-27 16:00:00). At Deadline, currently No Euphemization will occur.

This VC is incorrect

. Mia voted Moon

@mod, this is correct, please fix. Thanks.

Oh.

Duh.

[House]

I feel threatened.

I'm a bulletproof, supersaint Mason.

Is this for real? Norwee how could you not make me a mason?

Random thought... if Fey hydra is scum, them blindly believing my lolclaim may be leaking knowledge of masons.

If one of the stumps submitted a Mason PR, we should yeet the Feys.

I didn’t blindly believe anything but that doesn’t mean I’m going to automatically debunk it either. I often misunderstand sarcasm as well. I really wanted to be a mason. Everyone knows it’s my favourite role.

Like I said, it was a random thought.

You almost seemed invested in the possibility the claim was real.

Conversely, I'm not even all that invested in my own theory about it unless the stumps say otherwise.

It's not like I'm actively pushing a wagon on you. I'm not even voting you based off that theory.

[House]

Look at the scum scrambling lmao. It's probably just the hydra and house. Especially if titus flips town.

House tries to get some momentum on cyrus, no luck so he redirects back to old suspects. Hydra instavotes me for having them in my poe, but doesn't blink at House's shade...and now the nom kill makes sense. The no kill probably because both forgot to put a kill through.

Jjh this is the best reason yet to townread cyrus. We get Titus limmed and it really is auto win after that regardless of alignment.

NM is coming over tonight and we're going to make s'mores while telling ghost stories by the camp fire and he's going to tell everyone the next day what a great host I am.

[House]

Or no kill because the pool of suspects was shrinking especially if NM claimed today.

BS.

Even if that was the case, DGB would have been a decent target, as any theoretical protective was probably targeting NM.

[House]

Why, do you have some ability to fool his ability?

Your desperation is showing.

There's no tampering with his results.

[House]

I feel threatened.

I'm a bulletproof, supersaint Mason.

Is this for real? Norwee how could you not make me a mason?

Random thought... if Fey hydra is scum, them blindly believing my lolclaim may be leaking knowledge of masons.

If one of the stumps submitted a Mason PR, we should yeet the Feys.

what kind of cheap fucking discred is this?

are you fishing roles?

If one of them was Mason, it absolutely is me fishing that info out.

If one wasn't, I don't give a rat's patootie what they chose.

If you care so much about what prs the stumps chose, instead of bs shading us, why not just propose a mass claim or something. I think it’s probably too early and we should wait until we have a scumflip first, That’s what happened in Pooky v FL.

Because I don't want ANY claims, let alone a mass claim.

There's a difference between wanting to know IF a role is in the game and WHO has WHAT role.

[House]

How do you know?

Because I'm an Informed Town Godfather.

[House]

I feel threatened.

I'm a bulletproof, supersaint Mason.

Is this for real? Norwee how could you not make me a mason?

Random thought... if Fey hydra is scum, them blindly believing my lolclaim may be leaking knowledge of masons.

If one of the stumps submitted a Mason PR, we should yeet the Feys.

what kind of cheap fucking discred is this?

are you fishing roles?

If one of them was Mason, it absolutely is me fishing that info out.

If one wasn't, I don't give a rat's patootie what they chose.

cool and nancy believing a claim should lean town to u if you're actually being charitable considering that scum clearly have some info and balance blatantly leaning towards the chosen roles based on the flip and an OP role like that would have a counter, like say, a bulletproof enabler.
how did you reach the conclusion of that leaning scum?

based on the NK flip*

Between the IC and NM's results (and townreading him because I believe him), that leaves you, Titus, cyrus, moon, and jjh.

I townread Titus & cyrus.

That leaves you, moon, and jjh that I haven't developed a townread on.

Moon, I'm a bit worried about because of all the buddying. It's not like we've ever played a game together so I don't understand why they've been treating me like besties and that concerns me.

jjh, I've been sheeping others who have been calling him town but that's not enough anymore.

Nancy jumping to believe a mason claim could be a leak that she knew there is masons in the game because of the roles allotted to scum.

Nothing I'd consider damning for either of you (assuming a stump doesn't speak up on my theory). Basically, PoE.

What about my believing you had a guilty on Cyrus? Are you going to find some creative way to scumread that too?

Nope. I'm going to claim shitty memory. I have no idea whether you believed it or not.

[House]

Also, if you're wondering why I was hard defending you on d1, it's because I was trying to bait the NK by making scum think we were masons, which you wrecked when you asked me why I townread you so hard.

So you were actually pocketing us then?



UNVOTE:

Maybe it is you? Have I been stupid again?

Signs point to yes. Depends on where you go from here.

[House]

Don't feel bad he tricked me too.

You team a lot of shit for not having a vote on me.

VOTE: Moongrass

Fite me.

[House]

Don't feel bad he tricked me too.

You talk a lot of shit for not having a vote on me.

VOTE: Moongrass

Fite me.

Edit. Sigh.

[House]

Vote Count 1.FINAL

Not Known 15 (7):

mastina, Free Money Free Tea, Mia and Maya Fey, DrippingGoofball, nomnomnom, Not_Mafia, Moongrass,

Moongrass (1):

Gamma Emerald,

Free Money Free Tea (1):

Titus,

Mia and Maya Fey (1):

Not Known 15,

Titus (1):

jjh927,

nomnomnom (0):

jjh927 (0):

House (0):

cyrus62 (0):

mastina (0):

Not_Mafia (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

DrippingGoofball (0):

No Euphemization (0):

Not Voting (2):

House, cyrus62,

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to euphemize and

7

to have no euphemization.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-06-17 17:00:00). At Deadline, currently No Euphemization will occur.

A Hammer has been achieved!

Not Known 15 has been made into a Euphemism Day 1.

He was:

Spoiler:

Mafia Informed Commuter Enabler

Informed Commuter Enabler

You are aware that [Redacted]. If you die, any commuters will be unable to commute.

I think my PoE pool is pretty accurate, and there is likely 1 scum on and 1 scum off the wagon.

I also believe the commuter enabler did not activate a town commuter, or one of the stumps would have vetoed the hammer as the claim was for commuter.

Scum most likely did not bus until the lim became inevitable.

Are you trolling me now? I was jk in Labrynth and when jk enabler got vigged, I became vt.
And no, there was nothng in my role pm about an enabler.

It doesn't matter what the commuter potentially knows/knew.

It matters that the stumps did not select commuter as a town power role.

I'm leaning towards yes as an answer to your question.

[House]

Norwegian is right it's Titus/House. That's why House is trying to get a wagon anywhere else.

You lack the conviction of your shade.

Vote me.

[House]

NM, my welcome mat is out for you.

Paying me a visit would be a hell of a power move. Scum is trying to rally towards my mislim.

PEdit: I welcome any friendly faces to stop in for snacks & ghost stories.

[House]

I feel threatened.

I'm a bulletproof, supersaint Mason.

Is this for real? Norwee how could you not make me a mason?

Random thought... if Fey hydra is scum, them blindly believing my lolclaim may be leaking knowledge of masons.

If one of the stumps submitted a Mason PR, we should yeet the Feys.

what kind of cheap fucking discred is this?

are you fishing roles?

If one of them was Mason, it absolutely is me fishing that info out.

If one wasn't, I don't give a rat's patootie what they chose.

If you care so much about what prs the stumps chose, instead of bs shading us, why not just propose a mass claim or something. I think it’s probably too early and we should wait until we have a scumflip first, That’s what happened in Pooky v FL.

Because I don't want ANY claims, let alone a mass claim.

There's a difference between wanting to know IF a role is in the game and WHO has WHAT role.

Only the stumps and their pr picks could possibly know that was my point.

Exactly why I said I had no interest in my theory unless A STUMP said otherwise.

[House]

Spoiler: Read Me

If one of the stumps submitted a Mason PR

If one of them was Mason, it absolutely is me fishing that info out.

Nancy jumping to believe a mason claim could be a leak that she knew there is masons in the game because of the roles allotted to scum.

Nothing I'd consider damning for either of you (assuming a stump doesn't speak up on my theory). Basically, PoE.

Conversely, I'm not even all that invested in my own theory about it unless the stumps say otherwise.

Nowhere in there do I ask for players to claim. It's all about the stumps.

[House]

How do you know?

Because I'm an Informed Town Godfather.

Okay, this has to be a troll. Right? Only town godfather I’ve ever seen was in Animals uPick 2. I still don’t understand what Noraa’s role was in that game.

You're precious.

In not a player I just lie a lot.

[House]

I have pizza but the road out from my house is closed because of space lasers. Can I zoom instead?

Can you show us footage of the space lasers?

[House]

Also, if you're wondering why I was hard defending you on d1, it's because I was trying to bait the NK by making scum think we were masons, which you wrecked when you asked me why I townread you so hard.

So you were actually pocketing us then?



UNVOTE:

Maybe it is you? Have I been stupid again?

Signs point to yes. Depends on where you go from here.

What? One of you and moon is probably scum and the other is trolling me and I legit can’t tell which but moon is acting scummier. Unless, you’re a team weirdly distancing each other? I really can’t tell.

If we're a team, why won't Moon join me in the 1v1?

They've yet to crossvote. All talk but no walk.

[House]

Anyone who isn’t moongrass or Titus: tell me why those two are not the team
Because I personally haven’t seen anything to dissuade me from that

Help me bus, then!

[House]

Anyone who isn’t moongrass or Titus: tell me why those two are not the team
Because I personally haven’t seen anything to dissuade me from that

If I'm scum, why do I want the goodest of boys to come pay me a visit?

[House]

Vote Count 1.FINAL

Not Known 15 (7):

mastina, Free Money Free Tea, Mia and Maya Fey, DrippingGoofball, nomnomnom, Not_Mafia, Moongrass,

Moongrass (1):

Gamma Emerald,

Free Money Free Tea (1):

Titus,

Mia and Maya Fey (1):

Not Known 15,

Titus (1):

jjh927,

nomnomnom (0):

jjh927 (0):

House (0):

cyrus62 (0):

mastina (0):

Not_Mafia (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

DrippingGoofball (0):

No Euphemization (0):

Not Voting (2):

House, cyrus62,

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to euphemize and

7

to have no euphemization.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-06-17 17:00:00). At Deadline, currently No Euphemization will occur.

A Hammer has been achieved!

Not Known 15 has been made into a Euphemism Day 1.

He was:

Spoiler:

Mafia Informed Commuter Enabler

Informed Commuter Enabler

You are aware that [Redacted]. If you die, any commuters will be unable to commute.

I think my PoE pool is pretty accurate, and there is likely 1 scum on and 1 scum off the wagon.

I also believe the commuter enabler did not activate a town commuter, or one of the stumps would have vetoed the hammer as the claim was for commuter.

Scum most likely did not bus until the lim became inevitable.

Are you trolling me now? I was jk in Labrynth and when jk enabler got vigged, I became vt.
And no, there was nothng in my role pm about an enabler.

It doesn't matter what the commuter potentially knows/knew.

It matters that the stumps did not select commuter as a town power role.

I'm leaning towards yes as an answer to your question.

How could you possibly have any idea who or what the stumps chose?

Do I really need to spell out the obvious?

NK was not hammered until both stumps gave the okay.

If either stump had chosen commuter, the claim would have been believed unless countered.

Also, nobody countered commuter before both stumps game the green light.

There. Is. No. Town. Commuter.

[House]

I have pizza but the road out from my house is closed because of space lasers. Can I zoom instead?

I had pizza earlier. 3 kinds: artichoke goatcheese, veggie korma and pesto vegetarian.

I'm a meat lover's guy, myself.

Throw a side of cow on anything and I'll probably eat it.

[House]

I also along with Titus believed he had an actual guilty on Cyrus. That’s why I briefly voted him.

Was this on D1?

Aw man, you missed out on one of my fun ploys.

Also, how could I fake a guilty on d1?

[House]

Anyone who isn’t moongrass or Titus: tell me why those two are not the team
Because I personally haven’t seen anything to dissuade me from that

I quoted Titus’ posts near the end of d1. No offence to Titus but I don’t think Meryl Streep is getting worried.

Scum claim.

Meryl WISHES she could be Titus.

[House]

Vote Count 1.FINAL

Not Known 15 (7):

mastina, Free Money Free Tea, Mia and Maya Fey, DrippingGoofball, nomnomnom, Not_Mafia, Moongrass,

Moongrass (1):

Gamma Emerald,

Free Money Free Tea (1):

Titus,

Mia and Maya Fey (1):

Not Known 15,

Titus (1):

jjh927,

nomnomnom (0):

jjh927 (0):

House (0):

cyrus62 (0):

mastina (0):

Not_Mafia (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

DrippingGoofball (0):

No Euphemization (0):

Not Voting (2):

House, cyrus62,

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to euphemize and

7

to have no euphemization.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-06-17 17:00:00). At Deadline, currently No Euphemization will occur.

A Hammer has been achieved!

Not Known 15 has been made into a Euphemism Day 1.

He was:

Spoiler:

Mafia Informed Commuter Enabler

Informed Commuter Enabler

You are aware that [Redacted]. If you die, any commuters will be unable to commute.

I think my PoE pool is pretty accurate, and there is likely 1 scum on and 1 scum off the wagon.

I also believe the commuter enabler did not activate a town commuter, or one of the stumps would have vetoed the hammer as the claim was for commuter.

Scum most likely did not bus until the lim became inevitable.

Are you trolling me now? I was jk in Labrynth and when jk enabler got vigged, I became vt.
And no, there was nothng in my role pm about an enabler.

It doesn't matter what the commuter potentially knows/knew.

It matters that the stumps did not select commuter as a town power role.

I'm leaning towards yes as an answer to your question.

How could you possibly have any idea who or what the stumps chose?

Do I really need to spell out the obvious?

NK was not hammered until both stumps gave the okay.

If either stump had chosen commuter, the claim would have been believed unless countered.

Also, nobody countered commuter before both stumps game the green light.

There. Is. No. Town. Commuter.

Did you not read my post about Labrynth? My role pm was loud town jk. I was never informed of an enabler until he got misvigged and my jk therefore failed.

Did you not read where that is irrelevant?

You knew you were a JK, right?

A town commuter would have known they were, in fact, a town commuter.

A stump would have known that they did, in fact, choose commuter.

In no world ever would NK not have been countered if any kind of town commuter actually existed, and the stumps never would have authorized the hammer if they had submitted any kind of role that contained the word "commuter" In it.

[House]

I think it's just Moon & jjh.

[House]

Like, notice ALL the buddying vanished since my push.

I guess I'm not worth being their friend, anymore.

Also Gamma, does scum buddy each other as hard as Moon was buddying me on d1? I was low-key sus even then.

Mic drop.

One thing's for sure... we're not red-aligned.



No scum team would ever be

this

blatant.

[House]

Vote Count 1.FINAL

Not Known 15 (7):

mastina, Free Money Free Tea, Mia and Maya Fey, DrippingGoofball, nomnomnom, Not_Mafia, Moongrass,

Moongrass (1):

Gamma Emerald,

Free Money Free Tea (1):

Titus,

Mia and Maya Fey (1):

Not Known 15,

Titus (1):

jjh927,

nomnomnom (0):

jjh927 (0):

House (0):

cyrus62 (0):

mastina (0):

Not_Mafia (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

DrippingGoofball (0):

No Euphemization (0):

Not Voting (2):

House, cyrus62,

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to euphemize and

7

to have no euphemization.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-06-17 17:00:00). At Deadline, currently No Euphemization will occur.

A Hammer has been achieved!

Not Known 15 has been made into a Euphemism Day 1.

He was:

Spoiler:

Mafia Informed Commuter Enabler

Informed Commuter Enabler

You are aware that [Redacted]. If you die, any commuters will be unable to commute.

I think my PoE pool is pretty accurate, and there is likely 1 scum on and 1 scum off the wagon.

I also believe the commuter enabler did not activate a town commuter, or one of the stumps would have vetoed the hammer as the claim was for commuter.

Scum most likely did not bus until the lim became inevitable.

Are you trolling me now? I was jk in Labrynth and when jk enabler got vigged, I became vt.
And no, there was nothng in my role pm about an enabler.

It doesn't matter what the commuter potentially knows/knew.

It matters that the stumps did not select commuter as a town power role.

I'm leaning towards yes as an answer to your question.

How could you possibly have any idea who or what the stumps chose?

Do I really need to spell out the obvious?

NK was not hammered until both stumps gave the okay.

If either stump had chosen commuter, the claim would have been believed unless countered.

Also, nobody countered commuter before both stumps game the green light.

There. Is. No. Town. Commuter.

Did you not read my post about Labrynth? My role pm was loud town jk. I was never informed of an enabler until he got misvigged and my jk therefore failed.

Did you not read where that is irrelevant?

You knew you were a JK, right?

A town commuter would have known they were, in fact, a town commuter.

A stump would have known that they did, in fact, choose commuter.

In no world ever would NK not have been countered if any kind of town commuter actually existed, and the stumps never would have authorized the hammer if they had submitted any kind of role that contained the word "commuter" In it.

Am I misunderstanding the setup then? Why would there be an informed scum commuter enabler in the game if there were none? *confuzzled*

Let's assume for a second that you rolled commuter. That's all you knew about your role, just that you're a commuter.

NK claims commuter.

In what world do you not counter?

Let's assume for a second that you're a tree stump that submitted the role [Any Modifier] Commuter.

NK simply claims "commuter".

In what world do you as a tree stump allow NK to be hammered?

It doesn't happen.

[House]

I think my PoE pool is pretty accurate, and there is likely 1 scum on and 1 scum off the wagon.

I also believe the commuter enabler did not activate a town commuter, or one of the stumps would have vetoed the hammer as the claim was for commuter.

Scum most likely did not bus until the lim became inevitable.

Are you trolling me now? I was jk in Labrynth and when jk enabler got vigged, I became vt.
And no, there was nothng in my role pm about an enabler.

It doesn't matter what the commuter potentially knows/knew.

It matters that the stumps did not select commuter as a town power role.

I'm leaning towards yes as an answer to your question.

How could you possibly have any idea who or what the stumps chose?

Do I really need to spell out the obvious?

NK was not hammered until both stumps gave the okay.

If either stump had chosen commuter, the claim would have been believed unless countered.

Also, nobody countered commuter before both stumps game the green light.

There. Is. No. Town. Commuter.

Did you not read my post about Labrynth? My role pm was loud town jk. I was never informed of an enabler until he got misvigged and my jk therefore failed.

Did you not read where that is irrelevant?

You knew you were a JK, right?

A town commuter would have known they were, in fact, a town commuter.

A stump would have known that they did, in fact, choose commuter.

In no world ever would NK not have been countered if any kind of town commuter actually existed, and the stumps never would have authorized the hammer if they had submitted any kind of role that contained the word "commuter" In it.

Am I misunderstanding the setup then? Why would there be an informed scum commuter enabler in the game if there were none? *confuzzled*

Let's assume for a second that you rolled commuter. That's all you knew about your role, just that you're a commuter.

NK claims commuter.

In what world do you not counter?

Let's assume for a second that you're a tree stump that submitted the role [Any Modifier] Commuter.

NK simply claims "commuter".

In what world do you as a tree stump allow NK to be hammered?

It doesn't happen.

Because this is a 2 town stumps game. If I’m town commuter, why would I CC NK when he was extremely likely to be yeeted? I would only CC if that wasn’t the case.

He wouldn't be yeeted when the stumps verified that commuter is, in fact, a town role.

And if you didn't CC at the time of the claim, YOU would be the one eliminated when you tried to claim later.

[House]

Vote Count 1.FINAL

Not Known 15 (7):

mastina, Free Money Free Tea, Mia and Maya Fey, DrippingGoofball, nomnomnom, Not_Mafia, Moongrass,

Moongrass (1):

Gamma Emerald,

Free Money Free Tea (1):

Titus,

Mia and Maya Fey (1):

Not Known 15,

Titus (1):

jjh927,

nomnomnom (0):

jjh927 (0):

House (0):

cyrus62 (0):

mastina (0):

Not_Mafia (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

DrippingGoofball (0):

No Euphemization (0):

Not Voting (2):

House, cyrus62,

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to euphemize and

7

to have no euphemization.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-06-17 17:00:00). At Deadline, currently No Euphemization will occur.

A Hammer has been achieved!

Not Known 15 has been made into a Euphemism Day 1.

He was:

Spoiler:

Mafia Informed Commuter Enabler

Informed Commuter Enabler

You are aware that [Redacted]. If you die, any commuters will be unable to commute.

I think my PoE pool is pretty accurate, and there is likely 1 scum on and 1 scum off the wagon.

I also believe the commuter enabler did not activate a town commuter, or one of the stumps would have vetoed the hammer as the claim was for commuter.

Scum most likely did not bus until the lim became inevitable.

Are you trolling me now? I was jk in Labrynth and when jk enabler got vigged, I became vt.
And no, there was nothng in my role pm about an enabler.

It doesn't matter what the commuter potentially knows/knew.

It matters that the stumps did not select commuter as a town power role.

I'm leaning towards yes as an answer to your question.

How could you possibly have any idea who or what the stumps chose?

Do I really need to spell out the obvious?

NK was not hammered until both stumps gave the okay.

If either stump had chosen commuter, the claim would have been believed unless countered.

Also, nobody countered commuter before both stumps game the green light.

There. Is. No. Town. Commuter.

Did you not read my post about Labrynth? My role pm was loud town jk. I was never informed of an enabler until he got misvigged and my jk therefore failed.

Did you not read where that is irrelevant?

You knew you were a JK, right?

A town commuter would have known they were, in fact, a town commuter.

A stump would have known that they did, in fact, choose commuter.

In no world ever would NK not have been countered if any kind of town commuter actually existed, and the stumps never would have authorized the hammer if they had submitted any kind of role that contained the word "commuter" In it.

Am I misunderstanding the setup then? Why would there be an informed scum commuter enabler in the game if there were none? *confuzzled*

Also, I'm not saying there's no commuter.

In saying there's no TOWN commuter.

Scum commuter probably got hobbled.

[House]

The flood strat is working well, noone really cares.

Where's your vote?

[House]

can we not keep doing useless quotes just talk gee. if house wants jjh im up for it. but note to mia and house . the way you two are talking worrys me . nm check mia or house okay.

I prefer Moon, but a jjh wagon is acceptable.

[House]

It's fine if I'm limmed today but the next push will be jjh or cyrus which are both hard town for me.

Mastina Gamma NM are implied town depending on NMs claim.

So there's a fool or two running with scum.

Where's your vote?

[House]

Okay I'm down, on the off chance we're wrong, it's likely a scum win.
VOTE: Titus

Hydra/Titus are my scumreads assuming NM is legit. Next in line would be house.

3rd in line is unacceptable.

I demand top billing.

Look at the scum scrambling lmao. It's probably just the hydra and house. Especially if titus flips town.

House tries to get some momentum on cyrus, no luck so he redirects back to old suspects. Hydra instavotes me for having them in my poe, but doesn't blink at House's shade...and now the nom kill makes sense. The no kill probably because both forgot to put a kill through.

Jjh this is the best reason yet to townread cyrus. We get Titus limmed and it really is auto win after that regardless of alignment.

Great! You made what you think is some sort of case.

But where's your vote?

Why, do you have some ability to fool his ability?

Shade.

But where's your vote?

Or no kill because the pool of suspects was shrinking especially if NM claimed today.

BS.

Even if that was the case, DGB would have been a decent target, as any theoretical protective was probably targeting NM.

But DGB is an extra vote to help you on your agenda.

Shade.

But where's your vote?

Why, do you have some ability to fool his ability?

Your desperation is showing.

There's no tampering with his results.

How would you know? I have no idea what kind of results he gets. Why am I desperate? I'm sitting here pretty happily watching the game unravel for you.

Shade.

But where's your vote?

Don't feel bad he tricked me too.

Shade.

But where's your vote?

Norwegian is right it's Titus/House. That's why House is trying to get a wagon anywhere else.

Yay! I have top billing with my scum buddy Titus!

Now give me your vote!

The flood strat is working well, noone really cares.

Shade.

But where, oh where, is your vote???

[House]

the house and mia stoped odd.

Around the time I stopped scum reading them, I'd wager.

[House]

I'm voting Titus as planned. I have a pool of titus, hydra, house. I'm sticking to my vote and will very happily see you limmed tomorrow.

This is your only chance, killer.

NM is going to lim-block you tomorrow.

[House]

What?

NM is confirming me as town tonight.

And tomorrow, I'll be after your head even harder than today if it doesn't get done.

[House]

Assuming we Elim Titus, if she flips town, I'll check House
If she flips scum, I'll check Fey Hydra

If we lim Titus, she's flipping town and NM is paying me a visit.

[House]

I think my PoE pool is pretty accurate, and there is likely 1 scum on and 1 scum off the wagon.

I also believe the commuter enabler did not activate a town commuter, or one of the stumps would have vetoed the hammer as the claim was for commuter.

Scum most likely did not bus until the lim became inevitable.

Are you trolling me now? I was jk in Labrynth and when jk enabler got vigged, I became vt.
And no, there was nothng in my role pm about an enabler.

It doesn't matter what the commuter potentially knows/knew.

It matters that the stumps did not select commuter as a town power role.

I'm leaning towards yes as an answer to your question.

How could you possibly have any idea who or what the stumps chose?

Do I really need to spell out the obvious?

NK was not hammered until both stumps gave the okay.

If either stump had chosen commuter, the claim would have been believed unless countered.

Also, nobody countered commuter before both stumps game the green light.

There. Is. No. Town. Commuter.

Did you not read my post about Labrynth? My role pm was loud town jk. I was never informed of an enabler until he got misvigged and my jk therefore failed.

Did you not read where that is irrelevant?

You knew you were a JK, right?

A town commuter would have known they were, in fact, a town commuter.

A stump would have known that they did, in fact, choose commuter.

In no world ever would NK not have been countered if any kind of town commuter actually existed, and the stumps never would have authorized the hammer if they had submitted any kind of role that contained the word "commuter" In it.

Am I misunderstanding the setup then? Why would there be an informed scum commuter enabler in the game if there were none? *confuzzled*

Also, I'm not saying there's no commuter.

In saying there's no TOWN commuter.

Scum commuter probably got hobbled.

NK flipped scum. His role was informed scum commuter. Why would his role even exist in that case?

2679

[House]

Like, notice ALL the buddying vanished since my push.

I guess I'm not worth being their friend, anymore.

Also Gamma, does scum buddy each other as hard as Moon was buddying me on d1? I was low-key sus even then.

Mic drop.

One thing's for sure... we're not red-aligned.



No scum team would ever be

this

blatant.

I...I was asking about whether my guess of Titus and Moon for the scum was wrong
I don’t really think you’re scum rn????

Titus isn't scum though.

[House]

house day1 i get it we both . hoped off the wagon but answer me this . why are you still living. you were lock town from the start . i know why im alive im a easy mislynch. but why are you? either scum think they pocketed you or you are one . but i would like to know why from you house?

Moon thought they had me pocketed, of course.

Dude, look how hard they've been buddying me since the start of the game.

When I suspected them on d1, they OMGUSed me, but when I stopped suspecting them, all of a sudden I was town and we were besties again.

Seriously, look at the interactions between Moon and I.

[House]

How do you know she's flipping town?

I'm an Informed Serial Killer Nexus.

[House]

can we not keep doing useless quotes just talk gee. if house wants jjh im up for it. but note to mia and house . the way you two are talking worrys me . nm check mia or house okay.

I prefer Moon, but a jjh wagon is acceptable.

Do you read their interactions as svs or are they both just sr’s independently?

PoE.

[House]

house day1 i get it we both . hoped off the wagon but answer me this . why are you still living. you were lock town from the start . i know why im alive im a easy mislynch. but why are you? either scum think they pocketed you or you are one . but i would like to know why from you house?

Moon thought they had me pocketed, of course.

Dude, look how hard they've been buddying me since the start of the game.

When I suspected them on d1, they OMGUSed me, but when I stopped suspecting them, all of a sudden I was town and we were besties again.

Seriously, look at the interactions between Moon and I.

and your mislynch yesterday?

I didn't have one.

Six of us had one.

[House]

i smell a mislynch. but what whatever . the stump wants titus.

I think Titus is a probable miselim, I don’t care what the stumps think.

She is.

[House]

...and now the nom kill makes sense

Yup.

In case I die, I'd like to highlight this post

Your entrance posts seem a little more proactive than what I thought would be normal for you NK15. That yawn in particular seemed like posting for the sake of posting. Am I wrong?

if NK does indeed flip scum then this post is likely coming from scum distancing early given the seemingly laser precise reasoning on some early game comment, and that comment also sticks out in the fact that

Moongrass does not have a game played with NK15 in her topic history

. So this is potentially some hard TMI right there.

Err'body, read that bolded bit.

Nom bolded it, not me.

[House]

Fine I want jjh head as a candy dish. Bet scum reads this and kills jjh for me but I'll vote. Moon. But nm better clear house if moon flips town. Like I said scum will read this and try to frame me lol.[vote VOTE: moonlanding lol

I want him to clear me regardless.

Moon's buddy might try to say I bussed for town cred (which would be a fair accusation, I've sold out my entire team in the past and rode the town cred to victory in F3)

[House]

can we not keep doing useless quotes just talk gee. if house wants jjh im up for it. but note to mia and house . the way you two are talking worrys me . nm check mia or house okay.

I prefer Moon, but a jjh wagon is acceptable.

No thanks.

Who is Titus' buddy?

[House]

can we not keep doing useless quotes just talk gee. if house wants jjh im up for it. but note to mia and house . the way you two are talking worrys me . nm check mia or house okay.

I prefer Moon, but a jjh wagon is acceptable.

No thanks.

Who is Titus' buddy?

I also think Moon isn’t particurarly townie right now.
Who’s his teammate?

As I've been saying, jjh.

Let's take a look at your reads.

DrippingGoofball

,

mastina

,

Gamma Emerald

,

Not_Mafia

,

cyrus62

Mia and Maya Fey

,

jjh927

Moongrass

,

Titus

,

House

,

My current reads.

I'm town.

Titus is town.

Oh look. That leaves Moon & jjh.

[House]

Moon has been begging for votes.

Please, show your generosity.

[House]

...and now the nom kill makes sense

Yup.

In case I die, I'd like to highlight this post

Your entrance posts seem a little more proactive than what I thought would be normal for you NK15. That yawn in particular seemed like posting for the sake of posting. Am I wrong?

if NK does indeed flip scum then this post is likely coming from scum distancing early given the seemingly laser precise reasoning on some early game comment, and that comment also sticks out in the fact that

Moongrass does not have a game played with NK15 in her topic history

. So this is potentially some hard TMI right there.

Err'body, read that bolded bit.

Nom bolded it, not me.

I do have to ask why the bolded was concluded?

You'd have to ask nom.

I didn't edit the post.

[House]

N_Mchecks the other if one flips town.

Considering you have me as a scumread, I personally would heavily prefer NM check me just to help calibrate your meters.

[House]

Kill nom to frame me right house? What a waste of an NK.

Where's?

Your?

Vote?

[House]

Moon wagon is pure goodness.

Scum wants Titus gone bad, though.

[House]

Yeah I’m gonna join on the train if people asking House why Titus is town since his scumreads are PoE and as such my original question I wanted to ask of why jjh is scum won’t go far

I am a d2 bloodhound.

If you want to vote Titus, vote her.

But she's flipping green.

[House]

Then make the elimination either Titus or Moon today.
I’m mostly just doing what i can to shrink the PoE anyway.

When I go please reconsider your read on the hydra.

How am I supposed to not think you’re not scum when you’re literally ignoring any of my posts that don’t fit with your narrative?

If you’re actually not scum but scummy town here, than knock it the f off and help me find out who is? But no, all you do is continue to non-stop bs shade me.

Town af reach out.

All I hear is blah blah I'm scum blah from the hydra. NM doesn't live to tomorrow.

Scum response.

[House]

All I hear is blah blah I'm scum blah from the hydra. NM doesn't live to tomorrow.

Is this a threat?

Gamma be like

[House]

All I hear is blah blah I'm scum blah from the hydra. NM doesn't live to tomorrow.

Is this a threat?

Gamma be like

I am the great Cornholio! I need TP for my bunghole!

[House]

House did you ever figure out who Moongrass is? I don’t need to know the exact identity, just whether or not you know it.

Imma have to go with scum.

[House]

Either Moon is town that’s self-destructing from pressure and super easy to push right now, or he is scum that’s playing extremely suboptimally. So i kinda want to lean town but i also am tempted to policy.

Sigh.

The way Moon mentioned Gamma self-hammered to protect them makes me want to flip them all that much more.

[House]

and I care why. I'm going by my gut. Take the bet.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6470

Rule 2.

Stop trying to bet.

[House]

and I care why. I'm going by my gut. Take the bet.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6470

Rule 2.

Stop trying to bet.

Is that link correct because I don’t even want to say what I saw when I clicked that?

It goes to Forum Rules & Guidelines.

[House]

Oh hey there's a wagon on Moongrass and Titus is no longer at L-2 which with N_M in the game would be L-1?

VOTE: Titus

That means I can safely do this then!

You misspelled Moongrass.

[House]

House why is Titus not scum?

Because her role card is green, of course.

[House]

and I care why. I'm going by my gut. Take the bet.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6470

Rule 2.

Stop trying to bet.

Is that link correct because I don’t even want to say what I saw when I clicked that?

It goes to Forum Rules & Guidelines.

Yeah but I got linked to something that had nothing to do with beting. It might just be my settings though. I always have everything set to descending due to my dyslexia.

Forum Rules & Guidelines, rule #2 mentions no wagers, which is another word for betting.

[House]

House why is Titus not scum?

Because her role card is green, of course.

You know i hate those types of response.

Not trying to be a smart ass, but I don't know anything about you.

Sorry if that is snarky. Not the intent.

[House]

Its not a real bet I said scum bucks but will stop it

I just can't afford to even look like I'm skirting the rules, and taunting me to do something that could conceivably be misconstrued as rules-lawyering just isn't fair okay, IMHO.

[House]

House why is Titus not scum?

Because her role card is green, of course.

You know i hate those types of response.

Not trying to be a smart ass, but I don't know anything about you.

Sorry if that is snarky. Not the intent.

Well i’m asking if you even have a good reason because i want to know if you’re not just fibbing me. So getting an lolsorandom response doesn’t make me feel more confident that you’re trustworthy.

It's not something that I would expect anyone who doesn't know me to understand.

The best I could explain it to you, per se, would be, "mental imagery screaming no every time I consider voting for her"

Considering I was tossing around a theory of her being scum earlier myself, you should realize it's not a permanent aversion... but once it kicks in, I'm sold for the rest of the game.

[House]

and I care why. I'm going by my gut. Take the bet.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6470

Rule 2.

Stop trying to bet.

Is that link correct because I don’t even want to say what I saw when I clicked that?

It goes to Forum Rules & Guidelines.

Yeah but I got linked to something that had nothing to do with beting. It might just be my settings though. I always have everything set to descending due to my dyslexia.

Forum Rules & Guidelines, rule #2 mentions no wagers, which is another word for betting.

I’m assuming it refers to a real wager because I sometimes say I bet the game that X is whatever alignment.

That's where "rules lawyering" becomes a concern.

I'm coming off an indefinite site ban. I can't afford even the *appearance* of impropriety.

[House]

House why is Titus not scum?

Because her role card is green, of course.

You know i hate those types of response.

Not trying to be a smart ass, but I don't know anything about you.

Sorry if that is snarky. Not the intent.

Well i’m asking if you even have a good reason because i want to know if you’re not just fibbing me. So getting an lolsorandom response doesn’t make me feel more confident that you’re trustworthy.

It's not something that I would expect anyone who doesn't know me to understand.

The best I could explain it to you, per se, would be, "mental imagery screaming no every time I consider voting for her"

Considering I was tossing around a theory of her being scum earlier myself, you should realize it's not a permanent aversion... but once it kicks in, I'm sold for the rest of the game.

Fuck that sounds convincing.
I was expecting an awful response and for me to triumphantly announce that you were scum all along but i alone could see through your net of lies. But instead you pocketed me.

The whole sincerity thing is fairly new territory to me when it comes to interacting with strangers, especially online.

That's why I hedge and bullshit.

[House]

When were you in a game with me, or when did you say you weren’t?
If the former, earlier this year.

Oh my bad.

So, what I’m getting from all of this is Gamma is sr your main which rn doesn’t help me in the slightest.

You should vote for them while you cogitate on it.

[House]

Gamma how about you vote titus and if she flips green you can lim me tomorrow with no resistance?

Talk about manipulation.

Who is going to just belly up and take an elimination because they got what they wanted?

Transparent scum motive, there.

[House]

Says the guy with the obviously scum PoE of jjh/me.

Yep.

My PoE is fairly obviously scum.

[House]

Dear town,

The easy thing to do would be to appease the squirming scum and vote the absent towny that isn't here to fight back.

Don't settle for the easy thing. Play to win.

[House]

Unless you point with the whole hand
#gottem

#knifehand

[House]

It's only surface level if you can't see what the words point to. Under no circumstances do you let house live tomorrow.

Because I dared to push Moongrass!

When they were my buddying the crap out of me and townreading me until I did.

[House]

He tried to get cyrus, no hope so then tried for jjh or me. Basically anywhere but Titus. Don't be stupid tomorrow.

Yep.

Anybody except a townread.

You got me.

Guilty as charged.

[House]

Yes I got you. If you aren't limmed tomorrow town deserve to lose.

Sorry about your luck.

NM is gonna squash your dreams & your team's hopes.

[House]

NM can't save you. If he lives again then it just confirms you're scum.

Yes.

I need the investigative player to stay alive.

Because that plays to my win con.

I'm. So. Devious.

[House]

Incredibly. That's why if he lives you get him to claim, because I think you know what his role is and how it can wrongly confirm you.

His results can't be tampered with, and your team can't kill him.

You know you can't kill him, because you tried to last night.

[House]

Oshi~

[House]

You need to reread what I said

You should help me bus.

That would put a stop to it.

[House]

Lol! Is that what happened?? NM are you bulletproof? Because only scum would know they failed. Please keep talking house.

Try again.

It's not a modifier. It's a mechanic of the role.

[House]

If this conversation is going the direction I think it is, there might need to be a double-check by House on some site developments

I've gone as far as I'm going to, with it.

The fact there was no kill last night confirmed what I'm saying.

[House]

What is a mechanic?

[House]

I see why the scum team has been so ineffective.

[House]

Lol house reread what i said.

You're voting town.

I lost interest after that.

[House]

You said it's a mechanic I'm asking what it is.

The mechanic of a role is how the role works.

For example, the mechanic of a Nexus is to redirect actions to a random target.

No, I'm not implying the existence of a Nexus. It's a random example.

[House]

How do you know NM can be killed via mechanic unless you know what the role is?

I never said he could be, so...

[House]

I wanted titus to solve, but now I want her just because you're pushing so hard against it.

Yeah. Eliminating town for any excuse goes against my win con.

You just don't want to lose another member of your team.

[House]

You can't just roll it back because then it's obvious you're just piling on whatever bs you can pull out of your butt to get me limmed. Either you're informed or full of shite. Either way not town.

Technically, town is frequently full of shit.

It's like you've never even heard of RC.

But I'm sure you have, and you're just pulling shit out of your ass to shade me.

[House]

Another player that is frequently full of shit as town?

Firebringer.

Another one?

Me.

Another one? Reck.

I could go on and on.

[House]

Flavor Leaf is one of my favorite "full of shit" townies.

[House]

Wake

Angry Pidgen (misspelled? Been a while)

Malakittens

Math blade

The list is endless.

[House]

So you're suggesting both that I'm scum and you're full of shit...

Well I'm not scum so I guess you're simply full of shit. Comparasions to other players that towny and full of shit doesn't make any sense in the context of what you've been trying to achieve today with your wagon shopping.

And you continue your impotent, voteless shade.

[House]

Fact of the matter is, I butted heads with both cyrus & the Feys today.

It's not like I just flipped my reads on them on a whim.

But sure, keep peddling your snake oil.

[House]

So have we finally decided to lynch scum today, or are y'all still following the pied piper to kill another townie?

[House]

Nice rhetoric there

And?

It's not surprising that Moon was on the FMFT wagon and you were off it.

[House]

You implied that following Moon will lead to a mislim

That shit happened very fast as a consensus mislim

Do you have any better arguments for scum!Moon

You clearly haven't been reading any of my posts.

Take the time to actually do so, so you don't come across so much as Moon's buddy scrambling to save their ass.

[House]

If you're not going to read what I've already said, I'm not wasting my time repeating myself.

[House]

I’ve noticed Titus and House are currently pushing the exact same angle of moon+jjh
Mayhaps jjh is correct here?

I have 2 questions for you.

When have you ever know me, in any of my accounts, to mirror my buddies?

When have you ever known me, on any of my accounts, to not bus more than Greyhound?

If I WAS scum, I'd be scum with either Moon or jjh.

[House]

Thinking back on it, i really don't like how House is being all like "yeah i know N_M's role *wink* *wink*"
It's like scum!House is acting how he thinks town would act in this situation rather than actually being genuine.

Considering you have exactly zero experience playing with me, you're opinion on how genuine I'm being is entirely unfounded.

Anyone who actually knows me can tell you that I don't act like pretty much anyone else you'll know, regardless of my alignment.

[House]

Thinking back on it, i really don't like how House is being all like "yeah i know N_M's role *wink* *wink*"
It's like scum!House is acting how he thinks town would act in this situation rather than actually being genuine.

Considering you have exactly zero experience playing with me, you're opinion on how genuine I'm being is entirely unfounded.

Anyone who actually knows me can tell you that I don't act like pretty much anyone else you'll know, regardless of my alignment.

I mean Hell, Gamma and Titus probably barely recognize me because I'm 1000% tamer than I used to be, because I've had to heavily modify my behavior due to my history here, so it's no wonder I'm not coming across as genuine.

I feel different even to myself, but it's a healthy difference. I'm being more communicative than combative.

[House]

If you're not going to read what I've already said, I'm not wasting my time repeating myself.

I have read what you have already said but I am asking you to summarise your best points

If you're not going to read what I've already said, I'm not wasting my time repeating myself.

If you have a specific question to what I've already posted, quote and/or ask it directly.

I'm not jumping through hoops while you lob out lazy questions that require zero effort yourself.

[House]

Reread my existing posts was the answer.

[House]

I'm waiting for an appointment, I don't have time to cater to vapid poking right now.

[House]

You have the ability to quote.

If you won't do any of your own footwork, I have no incentive to give you any of my effort, either.

AFK for about an hour.

[House]

I'm a bit of an odd duck. I'm never "the towniest towny that ever towned" (that would be Mathblade).

Sadly, I'm my towniest as scum, because appearances matter more to me when I have a red role pm.

There are 3 players in this game with better than random odds of sorting me.

mastina
Titus
Gamma (to a lesser extent, but credit where it's due for his experience with me)

Any wagons on me that don't have the support of at least 2 of them are absolutely trash.

[House]

That said, today's elimination needs to be Bettendorf Moon and myself.

[House]

That said, today's elimination needs to be between Moon and myself.

Lol. Edit.

[House]

I also think you've put more effort into avoiding this question than any town player would require to recall the strongest reason they believe a player is scum

I've said multiple times that if you have a specific question about a post I've made, ask it and I'll address it.

I refuse to cater to generic, bland bullshit that doesn't actually mean anything.

If you're not actually interested in sorting what I meant by what I said, I'm not interested in jumping through hoops at your command.

[House]

I also think you've put more effort into avoiding this question than any town player would require to recall the strongest reason they believe a player is scum

Also, I think you've put more effort into avoiding QUOTING OR EVEN REFERRING TO A SINGLE POST than any town player who is actually trying to gamesolve.

If you're not trying, I have no interest.

I don't care how many bland, meaningless critiques you plaster all over the thread. That's all they are without an actual foundation.

[House]

Just get over your silly dance and vote me, jjh.

Your motives are transparent, so get to it.

[House]

I think if I go through your posts and counterargue you will be in a position to simply disavow the argument as it is a throwaway one-liner

I don't think you actually believe that.

As much noise as I've made about you doing exactly that, it would be suicidal for me to do what you claim you think I would do, and an actual towny would use that fact to acquiesce to my request.

[House]

If there's a single post that explains your argument then you can quote that

It's the height of irony that you dare to ask me to do what you yourself will not do.

When I have concerns with a post, I either quote, link, or refer to it. You've done neither of those with me.

[House]

No, Titus is more likely scum than you are

Lol. Don't try to appease me. I actually follow the thread.

Right now I am strongly leaning towards a Titus/House scumteam based on House's efforts to move the elim away from Titus

[House]

In other words, I think there is literally nothing to work with as to the primary reason for which you scumread Moon

It’s. Literally. Just. PoE. For. Him.
Figured I’d cut this Gordian knot

Words wound, Gamma.

[House]

In other words, I think there is literally nothing to work with as to the primary reason for which you scumread Moon

It’s. Literally. Just. PoE. For. Him.
Figured I’d cut this Gordian knot

Also, I'm highly intrigued at the fact the tracks of both my PoE's thus far have served to confirm my findings.

[House]

In other words, I think there is literally nothing to work with as to the primary reason for which you scumread Moon

It’s. Literally. Just. PoE. For. Him.
Figured I’d cut this Gordian knot

Also, I'm highly intrigued at the fact the reactions of both my PoE's thus far have served to confirm my findings.

Sigh. Edit.

Now you see why I have 12k+ posts, lol.

[House]

In other words, I think there is literally nothing to work with as to the primary reason for which you scumread Moon

It’s. Literally. Just. PoE. For. Him.
Figured I’d cut this Gordian knot

Am I the only one noticing how jjh is only throwing out simple posts that take 30 seconds or so to put together to try to get a response that requires effort in return?

That doesn't seem either game-solvy or town, to me. It's scummy to conserve energy and attempt to exhaust town, and that's exactly what it looks like.

[House]

What looks "game solvy" to you? What do you expect from a town player when they try to engage their scumread on something and they keep dodging the question, but they want that answered in order to pursue a line of reasoning? Should I have allowed you to dodge the question and gone off to do something else?

It's clear you're not actually processing information and simply looking for ways to take jabs. I've made no secret of exactly what I'm looking for.

If there's a single post that explains your argument then you can quote that

It's the height of irony that you dare to ask me to do what you yourself will not do.

When I have concerns with a post, I either quote, link, or refer to it. You've done neither of those with me.

[House]

I feel like if Titus is scum then House is the one that's really tryharding to get the elimination away from them while Titus is just being real lazy right now and not efforting because they're scum and faking effort is hard.

Right.

Because Titus is so terrible at playing scum.

Makes perfect sense if you don't think about it.

[House]

I feel like if Titus is scum then House is the one that's really tryharding to get the elimination away from them while Titus is just being real lazy right now and not efforting because they're scum and faking effort is hard.

Also, not trying to get the rumination off a town read would be paying against my win con.

I'd do the same if anyone else aside from Moon or jjh were being wagoned.

[House]

I feel like if Titus is scum then House is the one that's really tryharding to get the elimination away from them while Titus is just being real lazy right now and not efforting because they're scum and faking effort is hard.

Also, not trying to get the elimination off a town read would be paying against my win con.

I'd do the same if anyone else aside from Moon or jjh were being wagoned.

Edit.

[House]

Conversely, how bad a towngame do you expect me to believe she is playing?

I expect you to "believe" whatever forwards your agenda.

[House]

Cyrus, I think you have misinterpreted every angle I have taken and everything I have said over the entire course of the game

most likely. but its like this . 1st hammer i wasnt on becuse nsg said to wait so i hoped off to prevent a quick hammer. but with that said i was going by a poe on every one not on it. house , jjh titus . me and gramma . then the last hammer . was a myslych lead by house. so yes i could be misreading you.

Where do you get that it was "led" by me?

I wasn't even the first one on the wagon.

[House]

I would not be remotely surprised if, over the course of the entire game, Titus had not voted a single scum player

She clearly voted for 2 scum.

[House]

Cyrus, I think you have misinterpreted every angle I have taken and everything I have said over the entire course of the game

most likely. but its like this . 1st hammer i wasnt on becuse nsg said to wait so i hoped off to prevent a quick hammer. but with that said i was going by a poe on every one not on it. house , jjh titus . me and gramma . then the last hammer . was a myslych lead by house. so yes i could be misreading you.

Where do you get that it was "led" by me?

I wasn't even the first one on the wagon.

you made the gambit, you also push hard on it on day one. you basically kepth pushing fmft . untill the were elim.

The gambit was on you, not FMFT.

If anything, my fake guilty on you undermined any currency I had on selling a wagon on d2.

[House]

I asked you for something you still haven't given me

Is your moon scumread entirely POE or what? Do you actually believe he is scum?

Still not processing information that's been posted already.

3007

[House]

In other words, I think there is literally nothing to work with as to the primary reason for which you scumread Moon

It’s. Literally. Just. PoE. For. Him.
Figured I’d cut this Gordian knot

Am I the only one noticing how jjh is only throwing out simple posts that take 30 seconds or so to put together to try to get a response that requires effort in return?

That doesn't seem either game-solvy or town, to me. It's scummy to conserve energy and attempt to exhaust town, and that's exactly what it looks like.

That’s a valid opinion but I’ve also seen town attempt the same move

You're better than that trite garbage.

Any action *CAN* come from any alignment. It's all a matter of probabilities.

Sure, town can be lazy and throw out half-hearted posts in an attempt to make others effort, but when they're called on it, they tend to put in effort themselves.

[House]

jjh is doubling down on vapid, empty posts because he knows that he doesn't actually have anything worthwhile to talk about.

PEdit: and lol at him implying I'm the lazy one when he's literally refusing to do ANY footwork.

[House]

Hey Moonglass

Where you at?

jjh is boring me. Come back. Stop thinking you're gonna get through today by lying low.

[House]

Hey Moonglass

Where you at?

jjh is boring me. Come back. Stop thinking you're gonna get through today by lying low.

[House]

Hey Moonglass

Where you at?

jjh is boring me. Come back. Stop thinking you're gonna get through today by lying low.

[House]

Hey Moongrass

Where you at?

jjh is boring me. Come back. Stop thinking you're gonna get through today by lying low.

Dammit, lol.

[House]

I'd keep quoting but you've made it pretty clear that you refuse to answer

This may harm your defence later

Get back to me when you gain the courage of your impotent shade.

[House]

You two are really contributing to making this an overly long slog of a game to catch up on.

It didn't have to be.

I think my request was fairly reasonable. He went to ridiculous lengths to not do a lick of work.

[House]

I think if I go through your posts and counterargue you will be in a position to simply disavow the argument as it is a throwaway one-liner

I don't think you actually believe that.

As much noise as I've made about you doing exactly that, it would be suicidal for me to do what you claim you think I would do, and an actual towny would use that fact to acquiesce to my request.

This post alone should be enough for anyone to see the scum agenda jjh is pushing.

[House]

Like, idk what 3067 is about, but it doesn't have anything to do with what I'm saying, so.

He's still refused to pull up a single post of mine and directly question it.

[House]

In that case...

@Norwe is not like he's incapable of quoting my posts... why isn't he doing so now, if he thinks there's something to be gained by asking me questions about them, s he had been trying to do indirectly?

I was basically trolling him for his baseless vote, so it'snot like it was more productive than RVS anyway as I could have done that from either allotment.

Not shading jjh, I just think it's stupid to fabricate an excuse to "end" RVS instead of let it happen organically.

It doesn't happen 'organically' though. There's always got to be that first push, although the one making it doesn't necessarily have to be self aware of how superficial the push is to achieve this. That being said, I supposed the "natural" end to RVS had I not gone in hard would probably have been Mastina making a readslist based on shitposts and activity and people scumreading her for it.

Plus I hate sitting around in RVS and have been itching for a game to hyperpost in

[House]

The way I start off engaging with someone is to make sure I understand where they're at, which I do by asking them very simple questions like "what is your main reason for scumreading X" so that I have something to refer back to- it is important to have a definite basis, as mafia is not a static game and reads are not static either.

Instead of responding and giving me that baseline you have berated me for not doing something with the nothing you have given me. You have no intention of approaching this in good faith and so I will simply speak to my townreads and the conftowns about my reads and the reasoning for them

You're scum.

As scum, you're going to believe whatever best fits your agenda. You also have no incentive to get actual answers, because those answers work against your win con.

That's why you refuse to directly engage with my posts and instead throw out generic questions that could be aimed at anybody over anyone.

Until you actually change my mind on that, what you've gotten is all you're going to get.

[House]

@Norwe is not like he's incapable of quoting my posts... why isn't he doing so now, if he thinks there's something to be gained by asking me questions about them, s he had been trying to do indirectly?

I don't really care about these sort of arguments because it can also just be explained as playstyle. Like i sometimes get scumread for not answering questions in games because i find them pointless and a waste of time, but then i get scumread because "why would town not answer questions?" and etc.
Basically i find both JJ's points on you not doing X and your points on JJ not doing X not very relevant.

The difference between you and jjh is that jjh is fishing for town cred by trying to appear to scum hunt, but not actually engaging with the content he's supposed to be concerned about analyzing.

Not the same thing at all as ignoring stupid questions.

[House]

Lastly, mastina put me on that pedestal early on. I objected to it then and I do now, for the same reason I object to House doing it. It provides a convienent excuse to OMGUS if I ever call them scum.

That's a legit concern.

For what it's worth, I want you to be able to be honest on your read of me without that being a concern.

[House]

I would love to talk to both NSG and DGB to discuss reads but they’re not here and don’t seem engaged.

I'd rather she return, but if she's disengaged, I wish she'd at least bow out so town gets something out of it.

[House]

It basically is a fancy way of saying that I am considering you as scum when reading house

And when she flips town, what's your opinion then?

That I was right and town?

Or that I knew she was town in spite of her being a widely scumread because I'm scum?

You have the it'snot to take either route based on your posts so far.

You may have snowed Titus, but I'm not impressed.

[House]

It basically is a fancy way of saying that I am considering you as scum when reading house

And when she flips town, what's your opinion then?

That I was right and town?

Or that I knew she was town in spite of her being widely scumread because I'm scum?

You have the rationale to take either route based on your posts so far.

You may have snowed Titus, but I'm not impressed.

Sigh.

[House]

Just to makes things 100 times worse, I'm low key getting paranoid about a house/jjh team as they are both strongly defending players as town that are being scumread by everyone else and voting around each other instead. In an amazing play to endgame easily as this two sides thing ensures one of them win. House did say himself that Titus would not be his buddy, it's more likely someone he's fighting with.

This is hilarious, considering you refuse to vote me.

[House]

Just to makes things 100 times worse, I'm low key getting paranoid about a house/jjh team as they are both strongly defending players as town that are being scumread by everyone else and voting around each other instead. In an amazing play to endgame easily as this two sides thing ensures one of them win. House did say himself that Titus would not be his buddy, it's more likely someone he's fighting with.

This is hilarious, considering you refuse to vote me.

Why are you campaigning to get votes on yourself?

I'm campaigning for votes to match the shade.

Moon swapped from heavy buddying to calling me scum the second they read me calling them scum, so I wasn't them to put their vote what their mouth is.

[House]

VOTE: House

Thank you!

Finally!

[House]

Just to makes things 100 times worse, I'm low key getting paranoid about a house/jjh team as they are both strongly defending players as town that are being scumread by everyone else and voting around each other instead. In an amazing play to endgame easily as this two sides thing ensures one of them win. House did say himself that Titus would not be his buddy, it's more likely someone he's fighting with.

This is hilarious, considering you refuse to vote me.

Why are you campaigning to get votes on yourself?

I'm campaigning for votes to match the shade.

Moon swapped from heavy buddying to calling me scum the second they read me calling them scum, so I wasn't them to put their vote what their mouth is.

The problem with this is that it rings hollow. Why would town!moon ever move if I was a wagon and he scumread me too?

Jjh I could see you taking issue with if this was your position given he moved to cyrus and not you, yet you didn't ask jjh for the rationale for his cyrus vote.

What is your cyrus read, without factoring in jjh is voting there?

I had an exchange with him earlier this Day that rang towny to me, which reduced my PoE to jjh & Moon.

[House]

We're all free thinkers here

I'm sure you independently came to the conclusion that everyone who could possibly be an elim today could be scum and aren't just saying it to justify your votes

You should just join your buddy Moon on me instead of pushing from the sidelines.

[House]

We're all free thinkers here

I'm sure you independently came to the conclusion that everyone who could possibly be an elim today could be scum and aren't just saying it to justify your votes

You should just join your buddy Moon on me instead of pushing from the sidelines.

I'm voting Cyrus now and I'm not sure of your alignment

That's not what every post that isn't a direct challenge to vote me screams.

[House]

bussing day 1 is an awful play that at best will shift the pressure to win the game singlehandedly as a deepwolf onto a scum player who doesn't know what they're getting into

Hey, i bussed day 1 and day 2 consequently in a previous game and won singlehandedly as a deepwolf.
It ain’t as stupid as you think!

I've done it before, too.

It's nerve-wracking but fun as hell.

[House]

I had an exchange with him earlier this Day that rang towny to me, which reduced my PoE to jjh & Moon.

Explain this please. Do his recent posts change that?

That will take some time to locate the interaction again.

I've since tried to ignore his posts because his thought process just irks me.

[House]

We're all free thinkers here

I'm sure you independently came to the conclusion that everyone who could possibly be an elim today could be scum and aren't just saying it to justify your votes

You should just join your buddy Moon on me instead of pushing from the sidelines.

I'm voting Cyrus now and I'm not sure of your alignment

That's not what every post that isn't a direct challenge to vote me screams.

3144 was directed at Cyrus if you got confused

Ah.

Well.

OK then.

[House]

House if you're so convinced I'm Jjh's buddy based on PoE why don't you consider voting jjh who is clearly the more dangerous/more likely to endgame than me?

You're both scumreads.

Your wagon has support.

I'm sticking with the one that can most likely end in an elimination.

Pretty basic, rea....ohhhh, icwutudidthar

[House]

I had an exchange with him earlier this Day that rang towny to me, which reduced my PoE to jjh & Moon.

Explain this please. Do his recent posts change that?

That will take some time to locate the interaction again.

I've since tried to ignore his posts because his thought process just irks me.

Why would you lock and forget someone who's thought process irks you?

Because you've seen what happens when I stay engaged with people that bother me.

[House]

I had an exchange with him earlier this Day that rang towny to me, which reduced my PoE to jjh & Moon.

Explain this please. Do his recent posts change that?

Start at 2550.

Read to 2571.

[House]

Because you've seen what happens when I stay engaged with people that bother me.

I actually don't recall this. It's been years.

I'm... actually kinda glad and won't dwell on it.

It's not good.

I'm working on doing better, but I don't want to unnecessarily stress myself.

[House]

I had an exchange with him earlier this Day that rang towny to me, which reduced my PoE to jjh & Moon.

Explain this please. Do his recent posts change that?

Start at 2550.

Read to 2571.

I don't see how cyrus rings townie from that. He has a bit of AtE regarding who to flip if he flips town. You aren't convinced by his actions in that exchange but the fact your hammer rationale was off.

2570 reads as genuine to me, which surprised me because I was in confbias mode.

[House]

I had an exchange with him earlier this Day that rang towny to me, which reduced my PoE to jjh & Moon.

Explain this please. Do his recent posts change that?

Start at 2550.

Read to 2571.

I don't see how cyrus rings townie from that. He has a bit of AtE regarding who to flip if he flips town. You aren't convinced by his actions in that exchange but the fact your hammer rationale was off.

2570 reads as genuine to me, which surprised me because I was in confbias mode.

Or maybe the recent realization that I had mistaken the timing had me questioning everything and his pay have me cold feet.

I dunno.

[House]

I had an exchange with him earlier this Day that rang towny to me, which reduced my PoE to jjh & Moon.

Explain this please. Do his recent posts change that?

Start at 2550.

Read to 2571.

I don't see how cyrus rings townie from that. He has a bit of AtE regarding who to flip if he flips town. You aren't convinced by his actions in that exchange but the fact your hammer rationale was off.

2570 reads as genuine to me, which surprised me because I was in confbias mode.

Or maybe the recent realization that I had mistaken the timing had me questioning everything and his post gave me cold feet.

I dunno.

Sigh

[House]

@cyrus I hope you're not taking anything I'm saying as offensive. I'm not suggesting anything is wrong with you. I have limitations that make it difficult to deal with certain people.

[House]

We're all free thinkers here

I'm sure you independently came to the conclusion that everyone who could possibly be an elim today could be scum and aren't just saying it to justify your votes

You should just join your buddy Moon on me instead of pushing from the sidelines.

You really need to learn to parse which conversations involve you
I’m not much better irl but yeesh you’ve taken offense to a lot of things not aimed at you

There would be less to get confused over if he'd quote who he's responding to.

That post was immediately after mine, so my assumption was reasonable given our earlier interactions.

[House]

We're all free thinkers here

I'm sure you independently came to the conclusion that everyone who could possibly be an elim today could be scum and aren't just saying it to justify your votes

You should just join your buddy Moon on me instead of pushing from the sidelines.

You really need to learn to parse which conversations involve you
I’m not much better irl but yeesh you’ve taken offense to a lot of things not aimed at you

There would be less to get confused over if he'd quote who he's responding to.

That post was immediately after mine, so my assumption was reasonable given our earlier interactions.

It pays to read into the context and determine whether the words he’s saying make sense to be directed at you
For me, I could tell he was continuing his tear into Cyrus pushing jjh through practically everyone else

It certainly wouldn't have been the first time he had slung shade at me.

[House]

@Gamma, Thoughts on a House cyrus team?

Sadness.

Do you, though.

[House]

@House, Why are you reacting as a sad puppy when I suspect you when you said I was one of the best at reading you?

Who enjoys suspicion, especially from those that best know them?

[House]

What is odd is that house assumed a self protective mechanic of the invest PR rather than a modifier like BP which I'd see as more likely.

Not at all odd if you had been paying attention during pregame.

[House]

@Gamma, do you want to hear my theory?

Hell yeah!
I’ve played all of AA 5 and 6 (minus 6’s special episode which I’m on the first investigation of) so I’m a sucker for a good Thought Route

The evidence we have

1) Town Stump is convinced it's an autowin
2) There was no kill last night.
3) Not Mafia can clear people.

There are only a handful of roles that warrant the suggestion that not mafia can clear people. Cop, gunsmith and weak roles. Not Mafia logically is one of these.
A cop and a gunsmith could be blocked. So can most weak roles.
That is except for a hider role.
A hider role explains the lack of a nightkill without giving town additional power.
Scum can never shoot not mafia, but not mafia dies if he targets scum.
That is unless he targets a scum who commuted (the scum isn't there to blow him up). The enabler dying loses them that protection but gives more places for not mafia to die upon.
Not mafia is not a crumber and rarely plays a straight game (which is why I think he hammered FMFT so quickly is to hide that). Yet, he consistently straight up says who he targeted. This is in case he dies.

It's near autowin if Not Mafia targets town. If he targets scum tonight we still lose. Not Mafia should be aiming for town tonight in the pool.

An additional blocking or healing role would make this game even more townsided than it already is, so it likely doesn't exist giving us precisely two power roles.

Bingo!

Which is the very role I was advocating for pregame.

[House]

I'm guessing koba

That's Nancy

[House]

mastina vote cyrus

Visit me, NM.

VOTE: cyrus

[House]

If not mafia is indeed a weak hider and scum do indeed have a roleblocker, then Not Mafia's clears are not confirmed. However, unless the team is exactly Gamma + mastina (unlikely) then Gamma is certainly town. Scum would have had to roleblock not mafia both nights, but this doesn't explain the no kill. Scum wouldn't attempt to kill and block not mafia if they had indeed resolved he was a hider. He also would have died if he was roleblocked. So we can infer that if not mafia is a weak hider, then mastina is town. (if not mafia had been blocked {which is the only way he doesn't die if mastina is scum} then the scum kill goes through).

If scum had a roleblocker, last night wouldn't have been a no kill.

[House]

TLDR if not mafia is a weak hider then Gamma probtown mastina conftown even with the presence of a roleblocker.

Unless scum targeted him n1.

He was awfully loud about "I'm targeting x" sing d1.

[House]

I'm just rereading the fake guilty from House on Cyrus and I feel it looks really bad for both parties

Yeah, we totally choreographed that exchange.

[House]

Like, I'm sure House knows his way around scum theatre but I think Cyrus would fail the audition for background tree #5

That would answer the whole sig bet thing. House would never approve that coming off from a ban but if it was just spontaneous from Cyrus, them's the breaks.

And why wouldn't I tell him to knock it off in scum chat instead of make a scene over it?

[House]

But seriously, House faked a tracker guilty on Cyrus, who reacts with a bit of nonsense and the assertion that it's a fake guilty without even considering that House could be scum OR claiming a role

How does that happen organically

If I had faked a guilty on a buddy, I wouldn't walk it back.

I'd walk back the claim after the hammer and coast on the town cred.

[House]

But seriously, House faked a tracker guilty on Cyrus, who reacts with a bit of nonsense and the assertion that it's a fake guilty without even considering that House could be scum OR claiming a role

How does that happen organically

It's not organic. House just completely stops the push to change directions to push some nonsense about how I'm scum because I assumed there was an investigative role in the game. He doesn't get reactions from half the thread and doesn't wait to actually generate discussion on cyrus before outing the alleged guilty.

I just wanted cyrus' reaction, and the longer I kept the fakeclaim active, the more likely it could lead to a real investigative or stump outing TMI

[House]

I'm just rereading the fake guilty from House on Cyrus and I feel it looks really bad for both parties

Yeah, we totally choreographed that exchange.

Is this a resignation or sarcasm?

Lol

[House]

Like, I'm sure House knows his way around scum theatre but I think Cyrus would fail the audition for background tree #5

That would answer the whole sig bet thing. House would never approve that coming off from a ban but if it was just spontaneous from Cyrus, them's the breaks.

And why wouldn't I tell him to knock it off in scum chat instead of make a scene over it?

Make the best out of a bad situation.

That's just confbias yammer.

[House]

No bets this time cyrus?

That's some scummy taunting.

[House]

For real though, each time he was voted by a single person he was all "grrr flip me then them" and now he's just not here.

That's fair.

[House]

House's early play looked quite town, but similarly, his later play looks less motivated by "solving the game" and more motivated by "okay I need to troubleshoot how to get to a workable endgame here".

No, it was actually more along the lines of "how can I prevent the elimination of a townread and sell a wagon that I have no actual scum read on.

So, I town hunted.

[House]

Also, narrowing my mislim pool to exactly 2 via PoE on d3 is extremely substandard scum play, which I would think any experienced scummer would know.

[House]

If there is one thing shortaru was not, it was substandard scum.

[House]

Honestly I think it's pretty memes that the wagon includes all of me, Titus, Moon, and House

And that's not a concern to you...why?

If cyrus were scum, that would mean either his remaining scumbuddy was bussing bringing the game down to one scum with an investigative still around...

...Or that if cyrus were scum, his scumbuddy would necessarily be one of {Mia and Maya Fey, Moongrass} (the latter of which would be incredibly unlikely here imo).

I just don't think that cyrus is scum here.

And I'm sticking to that.

I actually think that's a pretty town post.

Scum would be too self-aware to draw visibility to something like that in that manner, IMHO.

[House]

Oh wait.

I'm scum.

I should be pulling some shit out of my ass to rationalize why jjh would say that, shouldn't I?

Very substandard strategy. My bad, everyone.

[House]

I don't understand how a commuter died.