mastina wrote:I would like to voice my disagreement with the decision as I WAS very clearly paraphrasing--it wasn't word for word. I said exact key phrases because they were key phrases.
I said,
I target a player and they are Charmed
, but I didn't say I CHOOSE a player and the target BECOMES Charmed.
The former is a paraphrase of the latter.
I did verbatim say
bind the target, negating all support to them
but there's no way to paraphrase that wording. Bind, Negating, and Support are all key words, and the words used to support them were not ones I had ways to find workarounds/substitutes for. I did however break up the info the best I could, in this case that I didn't say "choose a target". I left info out of the original ability.
I said
I ensnare my target in a circle--anyone targeting that player takes 2 HP in damage
, but I didn't say I CHOOSE a target, I didn't say "that player", I didn't say "and any user" (I said anyone, which is a paraphrase!), I didn't say "who targets that player" (I said anyone targeting, which is a paraphrase!), and I didn't mention "for that stratum" at all. I also said 2 HP in damage, when the original role just said "2 damage". I added a word not there, because that's part of paraphrasing.
I said
I curse my target to be unable to be healed by utility abilities
, which is about as far away from
Choose a target. You will enact a curse upon them, where they may no longer be healed by utility abilities.
as you can get. It has the words 'target' 'curse', and then 'be healed by utility abilities' in common, and that's it. And Curse, Healed, Utility Abilities, are all key words that I can't substitute because they are game terminology that I would expect to be pertinent and relevant.
I said
My fourth ability, Dispel, 2-SP, is dispelling the curse circle. Doing so heals me for 2 HP.
, which has basically nothing in common with
Dispel (2 SP) [Active, Self-Targeting] Choosing to dispel your Curse Circle will cause you to heal for 2 damage instead.
. I said Dispel, Curse Circle, and '2'; everything else is paraphrased including heals instead of heal and HP instead of damage.
I said
My passive, Enlightenment, makes me gain 1 SP every time I successfully mark someone.
, which is a paraphrase of
Enlightenment [Passive] - Each successful mark will grant you 1 additional SP.
I didn't say 'each', I said 'successfully' instead of successful, I said 'gain' instead of 'grant', I didn't say 'additional', etc.
I said
I win when I mark 5 players. (Which means had I gotten a N0 action in I could've won on D5 but now it's pushed back to D6 at the earliest.) A target doesn't need to be alive to count.
, both breaking up the wincon with the parenthesis and very much not being verbatim
You have an individual win condition where you will win once you have marked 5 or more players. A target does not need to be alive in order for them to count.
. I didn't say "I have an individual win condition where I win once I mark 5 or more players", I paraphrased it heavily. The second half is closer, but even there wasn't verbatim. I said "doesn't" instead of "does not", and said "to count" instead of "in order for them to count".
I think it was pretty apparent I was making a good faith to paraphrase because this wasn't something I copy pasted at all. I manually typed it all up, no copy-pasting at all, and did paraphrase it as much as humanly possible while retaining key information.
I realize the decision has been made and cannot be unmade--but I would again voice my disagreement with the decision as
I WAS paraphrasing, the evidence is right there in how much unwnd redacted from the image shown. If I wasn't, there wouldn't have been the need to redact anything at all.
If I wasn't paraphrasing, there wouldn't have been any black text there at all.
But I WAS paraphrasing. I literally paraphrased, even just from the black text, over half of the PM. If you go into exact wording, it was much much much MORE than half of the PM. I paraphrased more than I didn't. I didn't copy-paste anything, I hand-wrote it all out in my own wording.
Claiming the exact name of mechanics is something that shouldn't break the game--I was under the impression that not saying the correct verbiage of the abilities would lead to others who had similar abilities thinking I was lying about them, because they are verbiage.
Like say this was on a site that had never run a mafia game--phrases like 'cop', 'investigate', 'innocent', 'result failed', etc. Might genuinely be things that you're comparing to 'marking', 'healing', etc. They are phrases that should be okay to SAY if you are otherwise making efforts to not verbatim quote.
I was trying to retain key information and make it clear while also making it be done in my own wording. I can't substitute out words that might be important key information crucial to understanding what I am describing. Like, I don't even know what marks do. I don't even know what curses do. I don't even know what supports are. I don't know any of that--so I have no gauge for what is 'forbidden' to say and what isn't forbidden to say.
If the game relies on you not saying certain phrases from your role when claiming, and requires you to be modkilled when you say those phrases but otherwise are stating things in your own words--that is poor design.
Especially since scum should have that sort of info available to them in fakeclaims.
There shouldn't be any advantage had in saying a phrase like 'mark', 'heal', 'support', etc.
I would like to even further back this by pointing out: I was under the impression what I did was okay, because someone else did similar earlier:
In post 138, Toogeloo wrote:unwnd is totally stoned face for this. I joked if I should roll a d20 for a skill check on my night action... Didn't even get a "lol" out of them.
Anyways. I have a pretty questionable innate action, and even more questionably use SP skill.
My innate skill is I can check people's current HP. I checked Save The Dragons last night (random.org). They have 3 HP. Comparatively, I have 5 HP.
My other ability, which costs 2 SP is to check a target and see if they are using SP as well the same night. I didn't use it last night.
My "class," is called Sovereign. I'm royalty or something.
Toogeloo wasn't modkilled for this. He was paraphrasing, but he used words like 'skill', 'innate', 'action', 'SP', 'check a target', etc.
Why was my offense modkill-worthy but Toogeloo's wasn't?
unwnd defended his decision to modkill me with,
unwnd wrote:you were a special designed role with certain phrasings and mechanics that were special to this game
claiming exact verbatim verifies mechanics and phrasings that could either confirm you are telling the truth
or give you an unfair advantage
And yet Toogeloo wasn't modkilled by this logic.
Toogeloo is a special designed role with certain phrasings and mechanics that were special to this game, and he claimed some of them verbatim, verifying mechanics and phrasings confirming that he was telling the truth.
In fact, at least two players townread Toogeloo specifically for this. I can
point to morph the cat's townread on Toogeloo and
its later backing, as well as
Farkran here doing similar.
I was modkilled for the CHANCE I gained an unfair advantage, when Toogeloo who did this before I did actually GAINED said alleged unfair advantage and
wasn't
modkilled.
I again reiterate that I am aware that what is done cannot be undone.
But I will state again it was a very poor decision--one I am apparently meant to go to you, MariaR, about.