CONTROL - GAME OVER!

[Andante]

MUSHSHAGANA is probably my favorite out of all of yall. It's making this game real fun XD

[Andante]

also, Vig step your game up. the kill was andante not val. Or tictac. but you can redeem yourself, I believe in you.

pshhhh no one wants to kill me the killing powers all know I'm town!

[Andante]

Andante I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt and pull the gun away from your head.....but you keep loading bullets instead lol.

Help me help you.

changing the odds in russian roulette!!! I will endgame this!

[Andante]

That I suspected 3 town and I suck.

I mean, I started TRing Ircher, so we're not too different lol

[Andante]

I am "pretty sure" Dunn is town as well. As someone who has probably broken a record of town me vs. scum them, I don't look at Ircher's first few posts and see him arguing with a scum buddy.

how is Arcade Pals ISO town?

[Andante]

oh yeah I was voting grendel.. idk what happened to that thought

[Andante]

LMAOOOO NORWEE IS MY NEW FAVORITE!!!

[Andante]

This game is the best XD

[Andante]

I've been saying dunn maf all game... Arcade was not towny at all...

[Andante]

ircher was probs just distancing.

You don't need to distance from teammates in the first 200 posts of a 21 player game.

people don't NEED to do a lot of things, but they still do them...

[Andante]

oh and if you know your partner is going over, you'd wanna bus for town points... I think I SRed early ircher posts too, so uhh at least 1 partner was definitely on team "BUS IRCHER!"

[Andante]

tbh this might be bigger scumclaim than twie. if i can suggest 2 vig, pls shoot this n also, this is like the second time andante has dived in front of bullet aimed at like almost guaranteed red so like if this flips green i will eat my hat. no wait

i will eat an icecream replica of my hat. wait 2 complex.

i will eat a delicious pint of ice cream

there we go

I mean, can yall get dunn after I flip green? Dunn is definitely red

[Andante]

I mean, I'm just a vt lol limming me doesn't do anything but ruin my fun I'm having here

[Andante]

What's your flavor?

what is flavor?

[Andante]

What's your flavor?

what is flavor?

Your character's name.

am I allowed to out it?

[Andante]

ok lol it's Simon Arish

[Andante]

fuck it i say stick 2 twie on that flavor claim

DOES THAT MEAN YOU TR ME?

[Andante]

HAVE I WON THE MUSHSHAGANA TR???

[Andante]

i dont think flavor claims r very important in this game because both titus and flea have told me that flavor cannot be broken but ok

I mean, I'm town, I don't care what I get TRed off of lol, just wanna lim dunn here

[Andante]

what happened to your dun sr?

[Andante]

my maf agenda?

[Andante]

MUSHSHAGANA, let's get Dunn today!!!

[Andante]

Cause Arcade Pals was in no way towny, and Dunn hasn't gotten towny, thus dun maf

[Andante]

andante. have u read a single fuckin post i made. twie is 2days lim. do u understand that this is not up for debate rn unless its u instead. like u can have 1 or u can have the other. do u want 2 b the lim cuz. like. i just said no. i can change my mind. tbh its ok info flip. twie dies tomorrowanyway. what do u want 2 do here cuz this is it, this is ur only choices LOL

Yeah I've read your posts... can Dunn be tomorrow? If that's a yes I'll go for twie here

[Andante]

likeeeee what abt my play makes u think im easily swayed.

all of it. I'm SURE I can get you to change your mind

[Andante]

Andante's Mafia Agenda:

~ Save Ircher from lim, need Ircher for 3 nights
~ Push Dunn - easy lim
~ Save TWIE for a few nights
~ Pocket MUSHSHAGANA

[Andante]

oops didn't mean to post the updated list here... I still think Dunn is a good lim

[Andante]

oops didn't mean to post the updated list here... I still think Dunn is a good lim

[Andante]

oops didn't mean to post the updated list here... I still think Dunn is a good lim

[Andante]

VOTE: thewayitends
I'm joining this, no clue how many votes are here

[Andante]

VOTE: thewayitends
I'm joining this, no clue how many votes are here

Wonderful. a search of your ISO ctrl +f "the way it ends" you get zero results other than this vote.

that would be correct!

[Andante]

I read what yall are saying and how convinced yall are it's maf, and thus am voting

[Andante]

I LOVE SHEEP!!! especially with a table of so many people, plus hey, I'm a vt.. amidst the all powerful PRs...I'd rather sheep those yall who get info

[Andante]

are we not limming TheWayItEnds? going to dun instead?

[Andante]

I haven't read much of this game at all... just trying to figure out what's happening tbh

[Andante]

Hey Ceph!!! It's been a while lol maybe I just sheep you here

[Andante]

answer to what...

[Andante]

I believe in my arcade pals maf read, and that's all I got

[Andante]

ok, TWIE iso is just a lot of nothing, it doesn't scream maf to me?

I am "pretty sure" Dunn is town as well. As someone who has probably broken a record of town me vs. scum them, I don't look at Ircher's first few posts and see him arguing with a scum buddy.

how is Arcade Pals ISO town?

what is the difference?

@andante

I mean, both are terrible, I never read TWIE's till later on, saw what people were saying, and voted twie. like, twie and arcade. both maf

[Andante]

simple mind? nahhh only big brain moves over here!!

[Andante]

@ANDANTE:

HI MY GORGEOUS PUPPY DAWG SQUISHY FACE.
I HAVE ASKED YOU MULTIPLE TIMES TO GIVE ME AN UPDATED READS LIST
CAN YOU PLEASE DO SO.

THANK YOU

LOVE THE KITTY THAT IS SICK OF BEING INGORED

I MIGHT DO SOMETHING BAD IF YOU DONT ANSWER.

Norwee town
dragons town
ceph town
MUSH town

Dun maf
twie maf

that's all I got

[Andante]

on further thought i think i'll just get the popcorn and sit this one out

Here's Cephrir's last meaningful post post before TWIE sends that message.

like, sure there's nothing in meg's ISO, but could just be lost town? or is lost town not an option in yalls books?

It's certainly an option, but just being an option doesn't mean it's actually the case.

I can't really help you with your death tunnel at this point then.

I didn't think your initial posts and arguments were too scummy. As I mentioned before, I've seen plenty of stubborn town players that stick to their guns even when they are wrong. However, the continued focus on defending and arguing back in place of forming reads (that are not based entirely in OMGUS) strikes me as a tactic scum adopts. Not only is it distracting to the rest of the thread, it makes you look busy while in reality, you are just treading the same old ground again and again.

whereas if you just take 1 look at Arcade, Arcade screams maf...

I think that's just their style. I've played several games with Dunnstral both with him as town and as scum, and this seems pretty par for the course. They certainly could be scum, but it's hard to tell either way after you account for playstyle differences.

i wanna see ircher's readlist

I am still working on it unfortunately. I will have it by the end of Friday; I promise. You can lim me without hesitation if I don't follow through.

and Ircher I played a game with a LONG time ago.

It has indeed, back in 2016 for Newbie 1709. I'm glad to see you're still around!

And here's Ircher's last post before same.

Do you see something missing?

missing readslist?

[Andante]

no interaction with twie?

[Andante]

Dayvig them plz Mala

dayvigging the VT is a waste

[Andante]

what have you done

I was the one who led the Ircher push initially and then came back from being sick and reinvigorated ircher wagon again.

And did a fakevig against Three Bears to force more sight onto how they were playing... a thing I still need to go bakc and reread, gvien I got sick right after I did it and didn't get a good shot to evaluate it.

But given I've spotlighted those 2 slots for attention and death all day, it feels like you're looking at me doing the things you're doing and going "hard null".

That's... that doesn't make sense.

This is the top of Page 61. This LLD-STD fight goes on until at least shortly before TWIE makes the offending post. LLD neverreally backs down, everyone just pushes Ircher to claim and that claim stops town momentum dead and forces town onto a compromise wagon that (predictably) hits green. STD never re-enters LLD's good graces.

and LLD is dead now... so STD did it?

[Andante]

I'll try to get back soon. I've been swamped.

~Mama

swamped you say? allow me to catch you up on what's happening... I wanted Dunn maf, no one went with that, there was a whole TWIE thing, now MUSH has a case against dragons. and tbh I'll likely sheep whatever MUSH wants to do, but I won't vote dragons.

[Andante]

I have decided I will give this game maximum effort. starting later today.

[Andante]

Any idea of what the mold does yet?

[Andante]

VOTE: Dunn

[Andante]

mold could be 3p

that'd make the most sense tbh, then they win when more mold alive than not, that'd explain why mold people aren't dying

[Andante]

dunn dunn dunn

[Andante]

mold could be 3p

that'd make the most sense tbh, then they win when more mold alive than not, that'd explain why mold people aren't dying

Hmm. Good theory.
So the question becomes if it’s town or scum sided.
I’ve seen 3P roles that can win with both town or scum. So if mold isn’t a role that kills then it could be an potentially benevolent role.
That prob makes more sense than it being an scum role tbh.

And so if the only reason we haven't yeeted the bears has been cause of the mold thing, I'd look into that tbh, in my mind it doesn't make sense why a 3 headed hydra is still alive on day 4, and they're not bleeding town, so I'm a tad sus of the bears

[Andante]

it's possible it's a delayed kill still as 3p

we are on day 4, and bears were infected night 1...

[Andante]

Bears has legit been one of the most obvtown slots in the game since D1.

if that's true, why are they still alive?

[Andante]

it's possible it's a delayed kill still as 3p

Delayed for 3 nights now?
Three Bears is still alive.

same thoughts?? you have to be town!

[Andante]

mold could be 3p

that'd make the most sense tbh, then they win when more mold alive than not, that'd explain why mold people aren't dying

Hmm. Good theory.
So the question becomes if it’s town or scum sided.
I’ve seen 3P roles that can win with both town or scum. So if mold isn’t a role that kills then it could be an potentially benevolent role.
That prob makes more sense than it being an scum role tbh.

And so if the only reason we haven't yeeted the bears has been cause of the mold thing, I'd look into that tbh, in my mind it doesn't make sense why a 3 headed hydra is still alive on day 4, and they're not bleeding town, so I'm a tad sus of the bears

Almost like mold doesn't bleed.....

Almost like you're mafia...

[Andante]

The Three Bears (4) -

Dunnstral

, tictac,

Cephrir

, Save the Dragons

Gee I wonder what alignment is driving this wagon?

The Three Bears (4) - Dunnstral, tictac, Cephrir, Save the Dragons

Oh look its the rest f the scum team

Well StD's town and tictac's mostly null (degraded townread) to me but Dunn and Ceph? Definitely!

oh woah.. would that actually be maf then...

[Andante]

this post here

is a good post

[Andante]

you know that might be a scum slip from andante if mold is actually 3p

What to do when people SR you: SR the accuser!!!

[Andante]

Andante you have to be having a laugh rn.

Indeed I am

[Andante]

andante what happened 2 u sayin u woud take the game seriously. cuz ur still shitposting so FUCKING much

oh yeah I did say that... my bad... "take seriously" kinda just meant I'd actually scumhunt tbh

[Andante]

Unless you wanna argue Bears is scum targeted by mold. But i don’t feel like going there.

yeah same, I just wanna yeet dunn and go from there lol

[Andante]

mastina's ISO is so nice!!! I umm can not see mastina be maf, like at all

[Andante]

i wonder if mastina is just scum

I don't think mastina is tbh

[Andante]

i wonder if mastina is just scum

I don't think mastina is tbh

that almost certainly confirms it

lol real convincing case I know XD

[Andante]

I'm not exactly hiding that lol

Bell literally just asked about it

not hiding that you're maf? nice!!!

[Andante]

I think I give up on the tryhard plan tbh, but I also really don't just wanna sit here and spam, ahhhh someone give me your best tip for catching up? if I read ISOs I TR them (except Dunn/Arcade) and uhh yeah here I am

[Andante]

i wonder if mastina is just scum

I don't think mastina is tbh

that almost certainly confirms it

lol real convincing case I know XD

I'm saying you going long post = town is a bad way of reading people that is frequently wrong

oof like, ok at first I was suspicious over how neat it was, like, when your ISO is super neat and organized? it's very short, identical to Ircher's tbh, so maybe that should be a red flag... hold up I'm actually reading stuff

[Andante]

You were never gunna try hard Andante. Stop lying to yourself.

PSHHHHH I was going to!!!! ok, tryharding on mastina read!!!

[Andante]

lol before I say stuff... Cephrir... I don't think this is looking good for you... mastina ISO is screaming Ircher/Ceph/mastina maf... yall will be hit with an essay in a bit

[Andante]

This game feels like a loss

so it's not mastina ircher ceph?

[Andante]

yeah 100% legit

[Andante]

Proxy my vote to: Lady Lambdadelta

I'll vote whoever LLD does (even if it's me).

Peace offering: I promise never to vote LLD prior to D5-at-earliest (barring guilties on her). I reserve right to state suspicion, but promise not to act on it, and the proxy vote is proof of commitment to this promise.

^Knowing LLD was town, I can definitely see this as maf being like "heeey I shall pick this strong town member I wish to be associated with. Trust me I'm town"

VOTE: Ircher
(proxy vote to LLD)

(I'll be around later tonight to comment properly tho.)

^Greeting had just had this giant post SRing Ircher, before that lots of momentum was going towards Ircher, (obviously with hindsight...) this feels like maf going "My partner is flipping? I want the town points for bussing" like, (this is not my vote) is also setting up later for if Ircher towntells, then mastina can be like "see this is towny!!! that wasn't my vote anyways!!"

VOTE: Greeting

Fourth

Ah shit, here we go again.

Going to be VLA for a couple days. My mom is Covid positive and I’m either Covid positive or I got the flu, but waiting on results. I just can’t stay awake for more than a couple minutes right now :/

Town.

VOTE: Roden

Town?

Second
VOTE: MUSH
For tunneling me last game

Scum?

First
VOTE: MUSH

Good evening
VOTE: Bell

Scum.

^ This is like the standard "I'm making reads and not explaining a single one" and looking back at those posts, they look to agree with what pretty much everyone else was saying.. so we just copy their reads, call them our own, no reasoning... again, this really feels like something maf would do

Mush feels town to me tbh.

I'm having a hard time pinning down an alignment for Mush but since I'm sheeping LLD and Ircher/Cephrir (both LLD pushes) are slots I scumread anyway, I might as well sheep her on Mush being town.

^ Maf TMIing that LLD is in fact town, knows MUSH town, has 0 concern calling MUSH town all cause "I'm sheeping LLD" and how the pushes on ircher/ceph was phrased?? I think ircher and ceph are both maf, like, kinda that simple (obv I'd have to go read ceph ISO)

(me locking was just trolling and not game related)

For the record, this is bad modding as it has a direct influence on the game, namely?

I'm conftowning both LLD and Three Bears from it.

Buthey, I won't complain from having two conftown from bad modding practices.

And This feels again like maf, "oh I shall blame the mod, but these 2 are town"


TLDR: Like, everything about mastina's ISO (there's a lot more but I'm not quoting 50 posts) is just like, she doesn't seem concerned at all about making such solid reads, TRing people "cause someone else did" SR people cause she can bus the partners people are sus of, and SR people (like arcade) that others started SRing, I just don't feel like there's anything super original here, it's just a lot of "oh haha I agree!!" mastina is most likely maf, and I'm fairly certain Ceph would be a partner

[Andante]

VOTE: mastina

[Andante]

mastina is a good vote, and if mastina is read as I think she it, dunn flips town

[Andante]

the level of "certainty" on the ircher/ceph SR vs the "SR?" for arcade... yeah

[Andante]

This game feels like a loss

?

It's D4 and we have one scum dead and today seems like an excellent chance for another scum dead.

The only faction this game is a loss for is the scum.

your faction is scum yes?

[Andante]

man andante sure got cold feet on the scum wagon fast. hahahahhahahahah

-noraa

?? no? did you read what I said about mastina?

[Andante]

well anyone who was suspecting andante can go home now at least

only took me 4k posts to effort

[Andante]

man if i dont get dunn voted out, im gonna be so annoyed. every day we say dunn scum and every day people derail for NO. GOOD. REASON.
lololololol

-noraa

I think mena maf makes Dunn for sure town (if you read what I wrote, you'd see where I said that)

[Andante]

man andante sure got cold feet on the scum wagon fast. hahahahhahahahah

-noraa

?? no? did you read what I said about mastina?

nope. all i know is that the person who's been calling dunn scum for the last two days is voting someone else on the day that the wagon has actually gained some steam. lol

-noraa

NORAA PLEASE. READ MY 1 POST OF CONTENT. thanks. it's not much to ask. I'm pretty certain mastina maf

[Andante]

man andante sure got cold feet on the scum wagon fast. hahahahhahahahah

-noraa

?? no? did you read what I said about mastina?

nope. all i know is that the person who's been calling dunn scum for the last two days is voting someone else on the day that the wagon has actually gained some steam. lol

-noraa

NORAA PLEASE. READ MY 1 POST OF CONTENT. thanks. it's not much to ask. I'm pretty certain mastina maf

yeah. so you were certain dunn was scum and called for his elim for two days but all of a sudden, dunn wagon gets votes and mastina needs to die more.

-noraa

pretty much

[Andante]

because that makes a lot of sense. bell literally just poked you with a tiny stick about your efforting and poked out a whole wall case on mastina.

-noraa

that was a pretty good wall post right? I know!!!

[Andante]

uh what? case was cause I was talking to catboi, catboi said something, I was like, oh right.. hold up... went, read, gave my thoughts?

[Andante]

I. AM. TOOOOWWWWNNNNNN

[Andante]

mastina is maf yall

[Andante]

im sry im bad town, but im town

[Andante]

ACTUALLY. NO!! IM NOT BAD TOWN, I GOT MAF!!! mastina + ceph

[Andante]

So if I want a Dunn wagon, and as yall say, you hate any wagon I want, I just have to
VOTE: Roden Roden is e-1 !!!! (and then yall go to dunn?)

[Andante]

VOTE: Dunn

lol jk don't hammer that, go here

[Andante]

Ok I have given dunn a hard hard hard fucking read. I've forced every one of the braincells in my body to try to see dunn as town. I have literally broken my whole brain thinking about this damn game.

I'm. Fucking. Telling. You. All.
DUNN. IS. SCUM. OR. 3P.
I dont give a shit what he is. He isn't town and he should be the vote today instead of changing around from one person to another to another to another. Elim Dunn and if he flips town, flash wagon me tomorrow. I am literally going to cry if he flips town. It's literally impossible. The vibe is so off, it's literally not possible. I swear to god. ELIM THE NON GREENS. Stop waffling around malas post. Everyone is sus of roden, andante and whatever shit. Roden is literally a compromise elimination. Mastina is getting heat. compromise elimination

DUNN HAS BEEN CALLED SCUMMY SINCE DAY 1. WHY IS HE ALIVE DAY 4.
I understand that my read on Ircher was wrong but I already said. Even if ALL of my fucking reads are wrong, the one on Dunn is NOT.

-noraa

Everyone should listen to noraa

[Andante]

We can kill Dunn next day phase.

why not now? dunnnnn nnnnoooowww

[Andante]

I've suspected Dunn since I got here... on like day 1 maybe?

[Andante]

but to be fair dunn maf doesn't agree with my mastina read I don't think, so idk

[Andante]

cause I don't wanna yeet roden I don't think

[Andante]

god i dont even got like shit 2 add here just fuckin flip roden so we can end this terrible dam game day LOL its draggin ass im sufferin over here i need red flips fuuuuuuck

dang you say this, but I'm genuinely bored as heck so I was gonna get solid read on 3 people, so who are are the top scum contenders?

roden, dunn, who else?

[Andante]

Norwee, give me 2 more names of non TRs please

[Andante]

hmmm this is real exciting... ok time to find better plans for a friday night then

[Andante]

Norwee, give me 2 more names of non TRs please

I feel like Galron, Mala and Tictac are slots i don’t have as good of an read on right now.
I think Toog pinged me slightly town earlier.

Another question. How many scum are we looking at? Cus if there are like 5 i prob need to reconsider if some of my previous townreads are mistaken.

Alright sounds good, thank you, I shall finish cooking then work on strong reads!! (at least on those people) and probably 4-5 scum

[Andante]

UNVOTE:

[Andante]

UNVOTE:

This may very well be the most annoying unvote in all of history.

well idk the votecount, I'm not trying to have dunn hammered while I'm reading folks

[Andante]

Like 3 posts before that I said I was reading 5 people

[Andante]

LMAOOO ah yes... let's see what happens, if dunn gets hammered while I'm reading I'm gonna scream, but I don't think people are here

VOTE: Dunn

[Andante]

If you were 'still reading' why were you pushing for Dunn to die in the first place.

Dunn is quite literally my only read here, and it's a SR off the Arcade post, I'm not sure I like my mastina read tbh. ok no more distractions!! roden time!

[Andante]

GOODNIGHT NORWEE!!!

[Andante]

Roden's 3rd post in the game is actually super town indicative I think, why was there even a roden wagon going?

[Andante]

Roden is town
517 honestly reminds me of me when I’m town and paying attention, like a casual comment about all the posts, but if this was a maf post, it would just be complaining about the posts, but since it’s towny, there’s reads attached, honestly everything about this screams town, even the “my vote isn’t rvs” then 522 is great!!

I was gonna keep reading, but I feel so strongly about this tr, I don't think there's a need

[Andante]

I was gonna read more last night, but mehh I TRed Roden, and well... lots of people are barely trying, but Roden is definitely town, and I will fight against that lim

[Andante]

Ok, there's like 4 seperate paragraphs, and I'm just replying to them as 1,2,3,4

Knowing LLD was town, I can definitely see this as maf being like "heeey I shall pick this strong town member I wish to be associated with. Trust me I'm town"

1: LLD might not be immune to being pocketed, but she would

never

be pocketed by me. EVER. She would never ever ever think I am town when I am scum and even if she does think I am town? She wouldn't care and would still be willing to eliminate me thanks to our history, so on that note:

2: Don't you fucking

dare

call that a scum-motivated action. You do NOT know the history between LLD and I. I have previously earned her spite, justifiably so. To the point where I genuinely was worried I was on an LLD blacklist of "never play with me again mastina" mentality from her.

I made an attempt to mend that bad blood so you can

fuck off

with the accusation that it was scum motivated. Don't you fucking dare.

Greeting had just had this giant post SRing Ircher, before that lots of momentum was going towards Ircher, (obviously with hindsight...) this feels like maf going "My partner is flipping? I want the town points for bussing" like, (this is not my vote) is also setting up later for if Ircher towntells, then mastina can be like "see this is towny!!! that wasn't my vote anyways!!"

I had already promised to sheep LLD. LLD voted Ircher, and so I followed suit.

But as it so happens? I was already scumreading Ircher anyway. Ircher was transparently scum from page two, and had LLD voted a town player, I'd have been forced to vote that town player but would have stated my suspicion on Ircher anyway. The fact that LLD was voting a scumread of mine was a godsend as it meant I could put my money (vote) where my mouth (voice) was.

This is like the standard "I'm making reads and not explaining a single one" and looking back at those posts, they look to agree with what pretty much everyone else was saying.. so we just copy their reads, call them our own, no reasoning... again, this really feels like something maf would do

You can fuck off with the accusation that I would EVER copy anyone's reads EVER.

I never fucking copy other players reads. Ever. I develop them on my own. If they happen to just so happen overlap with the group consensus? That's fine. But they were not made because of others. My reads are my own. Nobody else's.

Now, granted.

I have three metrics that I read players off of.

Generic general tells where "this is more likely to come from town" and "this is more likely to come from scum" in general.

Then, refining said tells with meta specific tells, where, "this generic towntell does not apply to this player", "this generic scumtell does not apply to this player"; "this generic towntell is actually a scumtell for this player"; etc.

And the third has

similarity

to copying the reads of others: it's basically "peer pressure". If I have no read on a slot, I can be influenced by the voices of players that I trust to be town. If I have a slot as null but all of the players I think are town think the slot is an alignment, they will in fact influence me to think the slot is town. (This is actually where my Mush townread comes from!) If I have a scumread that literally everyone tells me is wrong, I will start to doubt it. Depending on the strength, potentially the opposite too (tho I am more likely to think "no they're wrong, I KNOW this slot is town, fuck what the consensus says").

And while not directly part of that, players I am scumreading can have influence on my reads, making me townread/scumread slots I otherwise would not, altho this is separate from the peer pressure metric imo.

But while that peer pressure exists and is one of my three axes for developing reads?

It's not a copy of the reads and in this game I've had like...maybe 2-4 of my reads be peer pressure influenced?

Literally every. single. other. read. I developed on my own because I have the fucking experience to develop those reads and know them to be true.

And This feels again like maf, "oh I shall blame the mod, but these 2 are town"

Mafia complain about conftown from bullshit sources that's true enough.
Mafia might raise a concern about conftown from bullshit sources to the mod in private about it compromising the game that's true enough.

But I did neither of those and pretending I am is disingenuous as fuck.

So fuck off with this "case" of yours.

1. uh woah.. sorry.. I really didn't mean to anger you, like nothing I said was supposed to be taken in this "I HATE YOU SHUT UP" context, like I read a few things and was like, I think I can see mastina as maf, let's make a maf case and see, I was just giving initial "hey I can see this" kind of reads, idk anyone's personal history here, I'd like to think we leave personal stuff out of the game...

2. ok see, what I read, and looking at the context, did not look to be how you were explaining it, and I wasn't even here then, so I made my best judgement, just saying what it looked like, I'm literally not trying to pick fights with you

3. Ok, so this feels really hostile, and I don't do hostile. The post was literally just a lot of "town. town. scum. scum?" I really don't feel like my comment to that should get this kind of reaction
> players I am scumreading can have influence on my reads, making me townread/scumread slots I otherwise would not
see, like, if there was any sort of explanation with the "town. town. scum" we wouldn't be here cause I'd have definitely TRed it, even if it's just "town cause interaction here" I literally call out reads like this in every game, cause if there's no explanation, it just doesn't look towny at all to me, looks like mafia "busy work" cause I can go quote random lines, say town/maf, and then it's like, if you die, wouldn't you want to leave some sort of explanation for people to follow??

4. and I also don't feel like this reaction matches what I said



Look, @mastina, I'm not sure what I did to piss you off, but like, I'm sorry!!! I was just giving thoughts, and considering I'm not pushing you strongly, it means I literally don't have you as lock scum, like, I know it's not as simple as "Ircher, ceph and mastina" Ceph said stuff earlier that I know would not be said to a maf partner, thus I've literally walked away from thinking you're maf...

[Andante]

Yeah don’t be mean.

Ok i’ve been mean to Andante this whole game, but my way of being mean is to try to make fun of someone in an humorous way or call them super scummy. Not the route of "Curse your entire kin and all that has ever loved you for doing this GRAAH!" type stuff.

whaaat funny you has just been mean?? pshhh that's sad too, but like it's ok, I've been laughing

[Andante]

See, Ceph, I don't see you and mastina as partners, and if there's 1 maf in yall, it's more likely it's you, and the early posts about sheeping mastina were you trying to pocket her here. that's just my thought on all this

[Andante]

See, Ceph, I don't see you and mastina as partners, and if there's 1 maf in yall, it's more likely it's you, and the early posts about sheeping mastina were you trying to pocket her here. that's just my thought on all this

omg u made a post i agree w how did this happen. am i goin soft.

it must mean you tr me I KNEW THIS DAY WOULD COME!!!

[Andante]

bussing Dunn?

[Andante]

wanna help me bus our partner?

[Andante]

This is what I interpreted as sheeping mastina lol

I will sheep mastina when the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves.

I have no idea what mastina's alignment is. Call me on day 4.

I will sheep mastina when the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves.

so mastina is town? I'll sheep you and dragons if yall agree on someone

I mean I think we both still want to kill roden but I want to see where this arcade wagon goes.

[Andante]

rereading, it looks like it might not have been the case, but this stuff definitely stood out to me, and is like one of the only things I rememebr

[Andante]

yeee I did lol

[Andante]

how about we just yeet dunn?

YES I KNOW!!! I JUST SAW THAT NOW LOL @ ceph

[Andante]

Last time i checked, the seas are not dry.

ah thanks... I had no idea

[Andante]

in my defense here i literally was scannin d1 cuz it was brutal, i just missed the second bit

well, I'm town and missed that 2nd part, so that means you're also town!!! GO US!!! TOWN PARTNERS

IN

AGAINST CRIME!!

[Andante]

did u know galron is a player in this game

half the player list I have like no clue is in this game...

[Andante]

dunn can live another day.

I'm feeling tictac maf

VOTE: tictac

[Andante]

I think roden is town

[Andante]

VOTE: dunn

dont have enough reason not to, the only thing ive really liked from him was the attack on bell

so you just posted something, that I agreed with, that was "tictac maf" you put tictac below dunn... why not vote tictac?

[Andante]

uhh I think so.. hopefully

@Norwee
@ MUSH
please vote tictac!!!!

[Andante]

I think ceph is town, MUSH if tictac is nothing, why not flip that slot?

[Andante]

i cant believe u made 2 boneless, effortfree pushes back 2 back cephrir like r u even tryin.

what about having that conversation after tictac flips town?

[Andante]

(which I don't think happens)

[Andante]

tictac first

[Andante]

whelp. ceph, do we just do dunn first I guess? make people happy?

[Andante]

dunn time? bye bye dunn!!!
VOTE: Dunn

[Andante]

dunn is gonna be a non consecutive night friendly neighbor!!

[Andante]

they're all so friendly!!!

[Andante]

My sense of justice tells me that the best outcome is that andante, three bears and dunnstrall arr all town making it super embarassingt what they’re saying right now.

But justice is a voice I have no faith in and never listen to.

why couldn't we get tictac here?

[Andante]

that would be my top pick, but dunn is a close 2nd

[Andante]

ceph said stuff, I was like "yeah tic tac maf!!" then got yelled at by everyone that "NO WE NEED DUNN FIRST" and went about my day, and now dunn is E-1 so I'm good with yeeting dunn!!!

[Andante]

I am the townie that killed val

Can we get Andante now? I don't even know why people are voting for me.

Why kill val over me if you've been wanting my head all game?

[Andante]

he literally didn't even mention val once this game

exactly!! I've barely been here, but when I have, its always been "lets get andante!"

[Andante]

in case that wasn't hammer, i wish to think a little bit more UNVOTE:
my head is messy right now

-noraa

why are yall unvoting? hmm? that is suspicious noraa...

[Andante]

OMG OMG I GOT MAIL!!!

[Andante]

I never get mail... WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Life is good today!!!

[Andante]

As for this game. I have no more ideas of who maf is

[Andante]

I don't want either roden or mastina right now though tbh, what about tictac?

[Andante]

tictac is my last thought for a possible alive scum, after tictac, I have absolutely no idea

[Andante]

I'm pretty sure andante is blatantly in town meta + looks unpartnered with dunn on a quick glace but is also prone to chasing whatever car happens to drive by

I mean, my first 2 reads were "Arcade pals maf" and "ircher maf" after that, confidence drastically declines

[Andante]

here's my biggest problem, like all my TRs are alive, which means I'm wrong somewhere, and that's a problem

VOTE: tictac

[Andante]

but real question, cause I don't remember anyone saying anything, I got mail last night, why haven't I heard of anyone else getting mail? idk what it means

[Andante]

lol what??
VOTE: Galron

[Andante]

100 posts, I rememebr none.. that iso is not a good look

[Andante]

no, I got sent mail last night lol no pt

[Andante]

hey pinkie, did you know galron was in the game?

[Andante]

Roden got mold, I got mail... no one got mail any other night??

[Andante]

no, I got sent mail last night lol no pt

I thought you got sent mail in your postbox in RL and was being super excited about it on Mafia Scum.

LOL I do get really excited for RL mail too!! but I got mail!!!! THIS GAME!!!

[Andante]

I think tictac or Galron is a good vote today

[Andante]

one of tictac/galron gave me mail maybe? idk if it's a town mailgiver or maf tbh

[Andante]

VOTE: tictac tictac it is then

[Andante]

I'm pretty sure andante is blatantly in town meta + looks unpartnered with dunn on a quick glace but is also prone to chasing whatever car happens to drive by

I mean, my first 2 reads were "Arcade pals maf" and "ircher maf" after that, confidence drastically declines

the 3P potential is there in you.

-pinkie

Do 3p get excited over mail? I THINK NOT!!!

[Andante]

awww pinkie <3 I hope everything is better soon!!!! **hugs**

[Andante]

Everyone molded is still alive...

I wonder if mold is roleblock from Mold-1.

something tells me you're the one who molded people...

[Andante]

HI CEPH!!! I GOT MAIL LAST NIGHT!!!

[Andante]

VOTE: Tictac
Andante you're defrosting the ice queen here. I thought you were the biggest scumlord. But you're probably not the mafia.

AWWW YOU FINALLY BELIEVE IM TOWN? THIS REALLY IS THE BESTEST DAY EVER!!!! I got MAIL!!! AND Norwee TRs me

[Andante]

Hey, you can still be 3P scumlord right?

Never!

[Andante]

Galron would actually be my prime suspect

weren't yall the ones telling the rest of us Galron is off the table?

[Andante]

andante has been so vocal about dunn all game AND provided a crucial vote yesterday at a point where it still could have not gone through. if you think this is scum i implore you to look at your life and look at your choices

thsi is a bad post. andante did not provide a crucial vote. andante spasmed between being on and off wagon and literally slowed down the wagon if anything.

I literally only got off dunn wagon when people were yelling about doing something else? I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to argue bears? we limmed scum. isn't that all that matters?

[Andante]

tictac maf, lets yeet tictac

[Andante]

Its either the beeping or the formatting or andates vote hop thats annoying me

my play this game annoys you? Anytime I tried to show up and be serious I had to deal with MUSH being all "omg andante obvious maf! I don't trust a wagon now"


I did look at the VCs and I was reminded about my SR on you... I think I still believe in it tbh, and if you wanna keep saying you don't trust me, instead of tictac, I'll be voting you. So if you wanna push me so badly, I'm VT. Go for it, but I will ensure if I gro over, you are speed limmed next. no questions asked. So consider this "shade andante" option carefully. if you actually SR me, commit to it, no more of this shade

[Andante]

I GOT MAIL!!!! And to my knowledge no one else even claimed mail lol

[Andante]

no mold here

[Andante]

Did the mail actually tell you anything interesting.

uh all mail I get is interesting!!

[Andante]

I GOT MAIL!!!! And to my knowledge no one else even claimed mail lol

i got mail night 3

oooh mail buddies!!! we famous!!!

[Andante]

wow.. you FORGOT to send fan mail??? wow... thank you for sending me some though!!!! So is your role just to send letters? I'm genuinely confused, cause yeah

[Andante]

like, it's just giving letters, letters don't say anything, so I'm like, does it only send if the person is town? like, definitely confused on it

[Andante]

I love my letter more than Ceph loves his letter!!!

[Andante]

since i flavor claimed already as the moving letters and anyone could put two and two together

n1 - i forgot
n2 - tet
n3 - cephrir
n4 - andante (and targeted roden with rb)

You're also an roleblocker?

to be fair, the letters are just blank, they're like

"To: Andante"

and that is all lol personally, I love that role

[Andante]

Woah!!! FANCY FONT!!!! It was not signed... it should read:

Dear Andante,



Love,
????

[Andante]

yall have no idea how happy I was to get a letter though... I don't even do anything this game, nothing... letter made my night!

[Andante]

hahahaha oh snap!!! ok see yall later, class.

[Andante]

OMG Andante vote hopping!! I mean, read this progression. I enter the game, and here's my posts.

I plan on being fully caught up tonight, started reading through, and this post stood out to me, feels like it comes from maf. Like the 2nd part feels way too serious for a bunch of random votes on Ceph for doing something. Like "This seems really reachy. A lot of people mess around during the beginning of a game. How is this scum-indicative for Cephrir specifically and not for anyone else?" feels like something maf would say. maybe it's just your style and how you are, but at first glance, this is the first significant post I run into, and it feels oddly worded. Saying "how this is scum indicative for Cephrir?" twice in the same post? idk, I'll piece together stuff from the next 900 posts

Look if you didn't want to get burned down early then you should've used your noggin before you fluffposted, now its too late and that's your problem not mine

Can you explain how this is scum indicative for Cephrir? I'm not familiar with his meta.

For actively seeking fun. It reads to me like you drew scum, hated it, and are now looking for ways to make your own fun.

This seems really reachy. A lot of people mess around during the beginning of a game. How is this scum-indicative for Cephrir specifically and not for anyone else?

VOTE: Bell

I think moving here will provide interesting results.

This makes absolutely no sense in context here. Bell was leaving, and an attempt to steer the conversation to someone not there?? Also so far I like Bell's lines

hahaha I'm always green

Also, Just reading stuff Arcade Pals says... page 6 is terrible, I think Arcade maf

read up to 225, all I'm doing for now, so far Arcade/Ircher are my top SRs

I still SR Arcade more. suspicious posts vs lost Meg? Arcade is maf...

This defense just makes me want to flip Meg more.

I'm not defending, just questioning... cause there's nothing real significant from meg, and definitely reads as lost to me. Large games are a lot different than the smaller ones, I'm not stopping yall from voting, I just don't see the actual reasoning here

i would like andante to give some depth on their reads

probably won't happen, unless you want depth on my arcade sr

I mean, unless you find something in that ISO towny, I don't think there's much to discuss

I mean, I like a bunch of stuff from a lot of other people, Arcade is the only one that really stands out right now, and it feels like everyone is just ignoring Arcade and instead like "OMG!! MEG!!" when it's clear Meg was just overwhelmed... can happen to town or maf, it's literally not maf exclusive like people are acting. whereas if you just take 1 look at Arcade, Arcade screams maf...

nothing odd about going "lets move to bell" like 10 posts after bell said they were leaving, and people were talking about something else? like, nothing Arcade does seems to be with town intentions in mind

I'm not sure what you are accusing us of doing

What have you done that I should either TR you for or not SR you for?

VOTE: Arcade

Ehhh. Meg is first on Irch wagon and never moved. Irch is early on Meg wagon. Early VC, sure, but it feels legitimately disqualifying for them BOTH being scum.

ehhh alright. I mean, I'm telling yall meg being lost isn't strictly scum indicative lol but as of now, I'm good voting Arcade, and can deal with other reads later

like you literally TR Arcade more than me... im lost

oooh shouldn't disrupt actual game stuff. sorry, I'm kinda drunk and thought I'd look at this game tonight, also have a headache so uhhh not sure how this is exactly supposed to work out, but hey I'm here. and definitely town so uhh fellow towns, who is maf? cause I guess some people tr arcade?

And I wonder why I just dropped my Dunn SR... When I'm trying as hard as I can, and just get ignored/told I'm scummier than my SR, I WONDER why I decide "ok fine, I'll take a back seat, and sheep people that look like town"

[Andante]

Truly a mystery...

[Andante]

Like that stuff from my ISO is from when I first came in, was in tryhard mode. and if you shoot me down there, I just lose motivation, and every single non dunn/ircher vote came with reasons too. however, reading stuff in what I quoted, I might be suspicious of ceph tbh

[Andante]

jk no I said that wrong, I think something in there is not Ircher + Ceph maf, Ceph is NOT maf. Ceph town!!!

[Andante]

Look if you didn't want to get burned down early then you should've used your noggin before you fluffposted, now its too late and that's your problem not mine

Can you explain how this is scum indicative for Cephrir? I'm not familiar with his meta.

For actively seeking fun. It reads to me like you drew scum, hated it, and are now looking for ways to make your own fun.

This seems really reachy. A lot of people mess around during the beginning of a game. How is this scum-indicative for Cephrir specifically and not for anyone else?

I don't think Ircher is with Ceph

[Andante]

I don't like Mala's shade here... I was already suspicious of mala before, but it was like not even game related for why I SRed, but now it's like, all this "I don't trust Andante's vote hopping" uh what?

[Andante]

Not seeing where that proves Ircher isn't alligned with Ceph.

ok? you're welcome to make your own reads lol but that post makes me not see them as partners sooo

[Andante]

i would like andante to give some depth on their reads

probably won't happen, unless you want depth on my arcade sr

yeah that's basically what i meant actually

hold up I think I'm confused on my ceph read tbh, cause like, my ONLY reads thus far have been dunn and ircher maf (ircher maf was a weaker, unpushed read)

this could be ceph partnered like "how do you SR my partner off 1 line..."

[Andante]

I'm good with tictac/galron, I have no preferance here

[Andante]

Ceph can be... suspicious for now

[Andante]

could be worth looking into at the meg push as meg replaced out, I was trying to push arcade durring that, and looks like it got shot down in favor of meg, so maf would probably want meg there

[Andante]

how should i know! i just figured your read seemed so strong you must have more than one or two odd posts, or be able to give more detail on why you disliked them so powerfully

This could 100% be Ceph maf... Like, I tunneled Dunn off the 1 post, this is definitely the reaction I'd imagine scum having

[Andante]

hold up I think I'm confused on my ceph read tbh, cause like, my ONLY reads thus far have been dunn and ircher maf (ircher maf was a weaker, unpushed read)

Are we just gonna ignore that Mastina case?

yeah I'm not interested in that right now tbh

[Andante]

Dragons and I voted Arcade soon after seeing this VC Meg Town, Roden isn't dead yet?

Votecount 1.5

"It's Not Superstition If It Works"

Ircher (6) - MegAzumarill, Galron, Lady Lambdadelta, MUSHSHAGANA, mastina, Roden
MegAzumarill (5) - Tet, NorwegianboyEE, Ircher, Bell, Toogeloo
Roden (3) - Cephrir, Arcade Pals, Save the Dragons
T3 (1) - Greeting
The Three Bears (1) - TheWayItEnds
Arcade Pals (1) - The Three Bears
Greeting (1) - tictac
NorwegianboyEE (1) - T3

Not voting (2) - Malakittens, Andante

(expired on 2022-01-19 23:12:00) remain until day end

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to reach a majority.

Galron is V/LA through January 11.

[Andante]

Yooo Roden is here? I do not recall a roden post lol but I think I'm certain tictac flips maf

[Andante]

woah... 400/401 sounds like the odds say you're maf here ceph

[Andante]

gg we did it!!!!

[Andante]

A threat would have been:

"Dear Andante

You better sleep with one eye open tonight. Or your next nap might become your last.

From Norwegianboy."

WOW.. I am very glad my letter did not say that!!! Otherwise... no sleeping for me...

[Andante]

Andante, NorwegianboyEE, Roden, Malakittens, The Three Bears,catboi, Cephrir (no particular order but all town)
Toogeloo,
mastina,
Save the Dragons
Galron,

bears would drop significantly on galron scumflip 4 obv reasons.
mastina would be town on bears scumflip (basically mastina doesn't believe noraa busses, so scum-noraa would only bus in town-mastina world)
galron is the only flip i'd prefer to my own currently.
so, are we still waiting 4 someone to do things, or can we make this me vs galron and end the day?

You have Dragons very low? Dragons is definitely town. Like, after rereading stuff, I never see Dragons as maf here.. please explain why you have dragons so low

[Andante]

I mean, why would partners jump from 1 to another, back to the first one? I think Ircher was probably the strongest maf pr, Dragons could've stayed on Arcade, no problem... Dragons isn't maf

VOTE: Ircher

lets go ircher wagon

more votes on ircher plz

though i disagree i think ircher is scum

VOTE: Arcade

MUSH do you have an opinion on Arcade

VOTE: Ircher

[Andante]

I think mala is doing something, so no hammer yet, I'm not opposed to tictac/galron, I don't tr either

[Andante]

i'd take a closer look if i was trying to yeet dragon.
i'm not tho, so doesn't seem relevant.
pedit @ andante

I mean, you just have dragons really low, and to not really explain too much why? idk, there's like no way dragons is maf, and with this letter thing, I don't think dragons has the mold

[Andante]

VOTE: tictac

What made you give up on your mastina vote?