CONTROL - GAME OVER!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Catboi and Mala are likely town tbh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No, not sold on Mastina/Roden scum just because of that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hey, you can still be 3P scumlord right?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Um that wasn't adressed to you Mala.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Whoever is the vig really dropped the ball today cus both those dead slots were my townreads.

[NorwegianboyEE]

the idea that scum have an ability that essentially townfirms its target would have to be wildly, game-alteringly strong. And there's still no reason scum wouldn't be able to bluff by claiming they were molded. Although I don't really support voting any molded claim today.

It could be a permanent Roleblock or an alternative wincon. "Confirming" someone as town isn't really true though because we can only theorize that as the truth. Pretty sure we're meant to be paranoid about it, but the fact that scum keeps killing town read players and Molding controversial players just implies that scum is spewing Mold victims as town.

I don’t really get why scum would mold controversial slots when those are primary limbait?

[NorwegianboyEE]

How?

[NorwegianboyEE]

the idea that scum have an ability that essentially townfirms its target would have to be wildly, game-alteringly strong. And there's still no reason scum wouldn't be able to bluff by claiming they were molded. Although I don't really support voting any molded claim today.

It could be a permanent Roleblock or an alternative wincon. "Confirming" someone as town isn't really true though because we can only theorize that as the truth. Pretty sure we're meant to be paranoid about it, but the fact that scum keeps killing town read players and Molding controversial players just implies that scum is spewing Mold victims as town.

I don’t really get why scum would mold controversial slots when those are primary limbait?

That's kind of my point though? If they Molded an obvtown slot then we'd 100% know that it's a scum ability with little reason to question it. But by Molding controversial slots, now town is going to question it and doubt if all the Mold claims are real or come from scum trying to get a free pass. If Mold victims get mis-elim'd it still pushes the scum wincon forward because townies are dying and scum lives one more day.

Ok that could make sense.

[NorwegianboyEE]

**Holds game hostage to find replacement**
**Replacement dies**

yea i thought the way the replace went donwn was pr-indic, perhaps the scum agreed.
either that or it's meant to preserve gamestate.
assuming nero was the scum-kill here.

Um no? Don’t you know it’s standard procedure for game mods to extend deadline after replacement. Doesn’t matter what their role is. And that is precisely so people won’t speculate on the role of the replacement.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think tictac or Galron is a good vote today

galron is not.

-noraa

So why is Galron off the table today?

[NorwegianboyEE]

But why is Galron town Noraa.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But why is Galron town Noraa.

do you think im scum?

Not with Dunnstral, no.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m just asking to hear your actual thoughts behind Galron.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i kinda feel like mastina's lack of participation is getting to the point of just being scum, but idk. i guess pushing me all game gives her cover to not actually vote the partners she's been bussing?

catboi's free pass for being greeting is close to its expiration date. does he have dunn claim that way just to get himself more towncred though? maybe not

Everytime i read another post about inactivity from Mastina it makes me want to make a meme where it's the: "is this a butterfly?" meme guy except he is pointing at Mastina and saying: "Is this scum?"

[NorwegianboyEE]

dunn elim NEVER happens yesterday without me. NEVER. absolutely never.

Damn, i liked humble Noraa better.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do you not think Ceph has towntold these latest pages Mastina. I can't really see them as scummy atm.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Granted, i haven't like super analyzed he's or anyone else's ISO.
But that's where gut has lead me so far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually doubt i will ever analyze anyones ISO. Shit's boring yo.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm up for flavour claim but it's not a big deal for me if we don't.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The previous argument that Tictac wagon too easy was laughable btw.
We have 2 scum dead so it’s not like there will be a lot of scum sway over wagons at this point. If scum get’s run up then they are likely getting run up.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If the vote was forced between Mastina/Ceph i would 100% vote Ceph just sayin.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Me being obstinate about my Mastina read have always lead to good things.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If we r not flavour claiming, is there any reason for delaying the lims any further.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Ceph is town then i feel sorry for him, cus he was like: "this town hates me" earlier.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Did the mail actually tell you anything interesting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

since i flavor claimed already as the moving letters and anyone could put two and two together

n1 - i forgot
n2 - tet
n3 - cephrir
n4 - andante (and targeted roden with rb)

You're also an roleblocker?

[NorwegianboyEE]

are people okay with ircher potentially being roleblocked town

I was about to ask why you said this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't give friendly letters, bit my character does like to give out other nice things

Like a knife in the back.

(Sorry i couldn't resist)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Does it mean anything?
Pretty sure we confirmed that rules state there is no alignment changing possible in this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

jk no I said that wrong, I think something in there is not Ircher + Ceph maf, Ceph is NOT maf. Ceph town!!!

Point me to it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not seeing where that proves Ircher isn't alligned with Ceph.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well i'm trying to understand your mind, and that post could easily just be distancing. So i just don't get why that is the smoking gun that made you think Ceph couldn't be with Ircher.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway i townread Ceph for my own reasons soo, kill Tictac anyone?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I would be fine with Galron too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

hold up I think I'm confused on my ceph read tbh, cause like, my ONLY reads thus far have been dunn and ircher maf (ircher maf was a weaker, unpushed read)

Are we just gonna ignore that Mastina case?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ceph do you have any scumgames i can look at.
I feel like that’s the most lazt but solvey thing i can do atm.

[NorwegianboyEE]

A threat would have been:

"Dear Andante

You better sleep with one eye open tonight. Or your next nap might become your last.

From Norwegianboy."

[NorwegianboyEE]

mmm Galron feels slightly more evil today but idk why.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't like Mala's shade here... I was already suspicious of mala before, but it was like not even game related for why I SRed, but now it's like, all this "I don't trust Andante's vote hopping" uh what?

You're town. Just paranoid.

This feels very pockety.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Galron
Eh, i wanna go here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you're this ok with your own elim, you must expect it to help the game state in some way. How?

frees up a vig shot 4 one.
also later yeets gonna be aiming in a smaller pool, so if i'm gonna take a yeet anyway it's better to take an earlier one when the chances of aiming correctly are lower. so doesn't make sense to compromise too much just to survive.

I don't really agree with this logic. I'm assuming your POV is that in the world where you are town but nodody else sees it then it's better to die earlier so people won't screw up later.
But i think this is either an pro-scum strategy town sometimes stupidly agrees too, or it's just pure lamist. Either way, don't like it.
If you're town i'd rather you just put in some effort into looking town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Rather not we chain eliminations either.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s hard for me to grasp the meaning behind that sentence in the first place.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Super off topic, but is Tet actually RCEnigma?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wow only took me about 1 month for something in my head to randomly click and realize that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Cus it ain't happening.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I thought you were all about that Ceph.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mastina what's your read on Tictac/Galron currently.
I was gonna ask why you townread Tictac but noticed you downgraded them to nullread at some point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Doesn’t mean they can’t mix up people’s traits.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Don’t be crazy Andante, we still have 11 days, 41 minutes and 36 seconds to stare at each others faces.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Malas "project" was just coloring in names of the vote counts?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can we kill Galron now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is so shocking.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Andante i thought you didn't roll town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m down to vote Galton I just wanna talk to T before we do this into night

Don't worry ya can talk to ur big boy T ya hear me.
Peace homie.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't like Mala's shade here... I was already suspicious of mala before, but it was like not even game related for why I SRed, but now it's like, all this "I don't trust Andante's vote hopping" uh what?

You're town. Just paranoid.

This feels very pockety.

Too flagrant for my taste. Too direct.

Btw what is the meaning of this post anyways.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This isn't 100%.

Doesn’t even feel 50%.
You saying it could mean anything but in the same post that it is more likely town? Why?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Panda’s aren’t very impressive bears.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I really don’t like that post from Mastina ugh.

But i already went so hard on not doubting her.

But let’s just lim Galron anyways, they really don’t look town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Calling it "aversion to Tictac wagon" is an stretch. I think Tictac has made slightly townie posts while Galron looks like an super scumbutt these later pages. So while i’m not 100% trusting Tictac to be town now. It certainly does influence my preference. And for someone to state "Oh this just Ircher all over again" is really annoying.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And Ircher actually claimed self-resolving slot sooo yah. Tictac already has claimed ascetic.
Not the same >_>

[NorwegianboyEE]

Even Roden can’t stare blatant scum in the face anymore.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Vig speculation is pretty anti-town so let’s not do that eh?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean, we have vig, I figure vig will shoot in those 2 whoever we don't yeet, so it doesn't really matter

Not tonight. There hasn’t been any double kills on odd nights.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Andante why did you switch?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Thanks Ceph. Couldn't have done this without ya.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I see Galron sitting up on a mountain top cross-legged with his Buddhist monk attire on, looking down on the vastness of the world. Still "thinking about this".

[NorwegianboyEE]

That claim does not prove you are town like at all.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I still want to kill it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Has Galron actually used this power for the good of town at all?
Cus right now it sounds like an wacky scum ability.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Did Galron post flavor?

I am the Hotline.

You/We may consider your contract removed/assimilated.
Your game/life is hereby over/the end.

Call us from the death chat/heaven to encourage/entity the following days.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It could easily be an real ability, i just don't think it makes Galron town.
Allowing to communicate with dead people has been given to scum as an PR ability in previous games i've been in.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like this is all really sudden and makes it seem like Galron never intended to share any of his findings until he got cornered.
I'd think town!him would play off the ability he has differently. Right now he just seems like an shifty informer. And that's why i think this flips scum. Anyway i think that was the hammer, i'm open to being proved wrong. But pretty sure it's red.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was in a hood with Catboi this night. And he said he thinks Malakittens is confirmed town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And that he thought we should mass claim today. That’s it i think.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can’t you just check? Seriously…

[NorwegianboyEE]

ok homework land here i come. if we dont hit scum today btw, tomorrow we are speed eliminating cephrir. period.

-noraa

Then who you want today?

[NorwegianboyEE]

What’s funny is i thought Mala was vig the entire time since that’s the story Catboi told me, but then he was like: "ok that was just a lie i’m the vig" in our hood.
Oh and everyone else in the hood is dead :/

[NorwegianboyEE]

Catboi Mala was in ANOTHER hood. So yeah, i’m not thinking Mala is scum, ever.

[NorwegianboyEE]

everyone else in the hood is dead

does that mean you're next?

You tell me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh i got neighborized N4 so i was only in that hood for since D5.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Even if Tictac is scum that leaves 1-2 more. I need to reconsider some of my reads. But still trusting Mastina/Andante/Mala/Three Bears
Reconsider: Roden/Cephrir/STD/Toog/

[NorwegianboyEE]

I did not get mold btw.
Ok gonna sleep now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can’t sleep.
Btw i think Galrons ability is stronged dead, cus he can communicate with entire dead thread and relay message to town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Stronger when dead*

[NorwegianboyEE]

I agree that Toog is not looking townie enough at this point. Could be open to flipping there. Don’t trust Tictac though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hmm i’d been told by Catboi how it all works. So yes, there are two neighborhoods. And it seemed to make sense.
Don’t know if i should go full details though. I think that demands an mass claim if necesarry.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So can take my word for it, or dig further i guess. But the second option gives more info to scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hostile non lethal?
So like ascetic but… weird? And that’s 2 ascetic type roles in this game now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Feel like Toog claim is real since it’d be weird fake claim from scum since we already have ascetic type role in Tictac.
And flavour checks out.

Has Tictac claimed flavour? They should if they haven’t.

[NorwegianboyEE]

actually flavorclaiming might be a thing that matters.
i'm benicoff tv.

Right they claimed this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Although considering Took has master knowledge of the game and is apparently flavour expert maybe i shouldn’t use that to solve Galron allignment, never mind that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok my brain is dying. *Toog
And not Galron i meant Toog there too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wait i'm confused now. Are we literally nuts to balls full claiming or just flavour claiming?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m bored of waiting so i’m just gonna say that i’m the one and only director Zacharia Trench.

[NorwegianboyEE]

To make your life sad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

because norwee was in catbois neighborhood and came into today claiming it while claiming that catboi died right after telling them he was vig and everyone else in the neighborhood is dead. theres no way that shit comes from scum lmao.

I did believe vig was Mala until they told me that tbh. I even asked why they told me since i assumed they wouldn’t trust me, and they replied they didn’t think what i said in hood would come from scum and that the jig was up anyways.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh and there is no way i lie about this… cus Catboi can just send a message from dead PT calling me a dirty liar if i did.

[NorwegianboyEE]

In fact i think we can build this to our advantage further.
It would be good if in the next letter from beyond we get the consensus scumreads of the dead thread to consider as well.
Hoping for that in next letter.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That way dead chat can continue playing like they're not dead almost.

[NorwegianboyEE]

exactly you could be scum telling the truth?

Do you think i’m scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

But we have other mold claims?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I love Andante popping up with their wolf avatar everytime a deepwolf is mentioned.

[NorwegianboyEE]

catboi talked more recently than mastina... and he's dead..

Catboi was a vigilante whom Tictac pretty much slapped an big: "kill me" post-it note on. It doesn't really have to do with activity or anything imo. It's a no-brainer kill.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not voting either Mastina or Three Bears today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What's the case on Mastina? I don't think it's scum indicative for them to be very blatant with their reads. I gave it another thought tonight, and i think i retract what i said about it being scummy. Like it's clearly just typical Mastina imo. They have some theory and they post it, without a care about the thread mood at the time. And they were right, in fact. Almost all of Mastinas reads have been right so far. Even if they aren't 100% town i'm sure as heck not getting rid of the slot for only that reason. Especially when there are clearly better options today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How dare you.
FLASH ELIM HIM!

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm reading through isos right now and I'm coming to the conclusion that if there is a deepwolf, it's Norwee.

Joined the Ircher wagon while it was popular, but was always pushing people to vote elsewhere like Mega and T3. Defended Dunn days 1-3 quite a bit. But mostly... It's the noise. Norwee made a lot of noise to look busy.

There's also the matter of my superpower being that I notoriously claim that my first townread in a lot of games ends up actually being scum.

Norwee has to relay exactly what happens in the neighborhood, and it doesn't hurt their scum game and only helps them look townoer actually.

I think most importantly, Norwee isn't trying to change the status quo.

So, yeah, I think Norwee is a deepwolf. It's all vibes, but I trust my vibes.

Ok i’m sorry, but i don’t do half-assed bussing. It’s not in my nature. If i were to be scum in this game and commit to bussing, (Which would necesarilly be the case since i pushed hard for Ircher) then i would be literally voting them at all times, and cuss out ANY form of wagon redirection and scumread the slots that did it. I would buss so hard and naturally that nobody would have anything to question me about, ever. Unless it was the perfection of how it was done in the first place.
Now messy thoughts Norwee= Town!Norwee
So get outta here with that shit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Cephrir

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh and real clever that i’m "not trying to change the status quo when i’m literally just trying to be relaxed and wait for claims to finish.
I’ll have you know i was itching to vote Cephrir all day but forced myself to be polite and wait for claims to finish.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m noisy?? Wow i’m fucking scum, holy shit you got me.
That was just… the ace in the hole right there. Nothing to even reply to that.
Literal caught scum Norwee. Fuuuuuck.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Mastina didn’t remind me that your claim doesn’t prove anything that would not have been enough.
If you kept playing low-key and not doing much that would not have been enough.
But the audacity of posting that you think i’m a deepwolf some hours after STD said they believed i was a deepwolf and then posting it like it’s an original thought when you claimed to townread me previously? (And even using it as an point, that your townreads flip scum).
Lol: "I’m reading through some ISO’s right now" Yeah, prompted by weighing your options no doubt. Making sure to soften up for an mislim on me now that the options are getting lower is that it Toog?
I’m starting to believe Mastina’s solve is 100% correct, and this BS shading is the start of their plan. Kill Mastina, "Omg Norwee deep wolff!!" And take it home. Aided by STD and Roden that might buy into it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s Ceph/Toog.
Ceph is the scum in STD/Ceph
Toog showed their true colours today.
If i’m not dead by the point these scums are dead i can find last in Tictac/Andante. Leaning Tictac but honestly, the above slots seem better.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My turn?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just VT.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Idk who’s not claimed yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If someones not lazy can they make a list. Otherwise i’ll do it myself at an later time probably.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh and real clever that i’m "not trying to change the status quo when i’m literally just trying to be relaxed and wait for claims to finish.
I’ll have you know i was itching to vote Cephrir all day but forced myself to be polite and wait for claims to finish.

Ok; why?

I feel like you should know.
Mastina/you is extremely distracting at this point and i feel like an flip in either of you would be extremely informative. So since i like Mastina more for town then that makes you the better vote.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I did flavour claim earlier. I’m Trench.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Vote Toogeloo.
I’m fine with this today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Toogeloo

[NorwegianboyEE]

They claimed ascetic and benicoff tv.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t think Tictac confirmed that their role is powerless other than ascetic? But haven’t checked that deeply.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee your options are roden,mala or us afaik

-PINKIE

Roden can claim next.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok, then you claim. I want Mala to go last.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think i know what Mala is already but i'm gonna wait to see if my suspicions are correct.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Too bad for you that i already know that you know that you know what i was thinking.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm still bugged at the people who think I was supposed to be Molded last night. Why would I be molded?

What's the comprehensive claim list so far?

Seeing as nobody knows or has explained what mold is... why would you not be?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or are we arguing that mold only targets townie people?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I have no idea what Mold is, but Mold on Bears (a fairly heavy town read going into Day 2), and mastina (someone most people town read up til today) doesn't line up with me being Molded and then everyone thinks I should be eliminated.

Just realized that Andante also only wanted Bears and Mastina eliminated.

Ok you talk about it literally next post lol.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What is?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Toogaloo - Casper Darling
- 2 Shot HRA Researcher
- Non-lethal actions negated.
- LLD and Self. No shots remaining, has been molded?

Tictac - Benicoff TV
- Vanilla Ascetic

Roden - Polaris
- N/A

Mastina - Ashtray
- VT

Andante - Simon Arish [HRA'd]
- VT

StD - Moving Letters
- Fruit Vendor

Cephir - Merry Go Round Horse
- VT

Norwee - Zachariah Trench
- VT

Three Bears - Dylan Faden
- N/A

Malakittens -
- N/A

Fixed it up.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i sent to catboi

Why there?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I dunno, mastina's Ashtray claim is questionable. I'm not sure if we need three Directors of Control in the game (Jesse, Trench, Northmoor), so Trench is questionable.

What is questionable?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway i feel like i'm with Three Bears here that trying to solve from just flavor is dumb.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i tr them and they weren't moldy

Has anyone target a moldy person?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Toogs case rubs me the wrong way.
He seriously expects scum to fake a role and use it on both their buddies to prove it’s real? I doubt anyone would ever do that so i wouldn’t even consider it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

CALLED IT

[NorwegianboyEE]

Then again, there HAS to be a board.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We can lim Toog now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'd rather we elim in Toog/Tictac/Cephrir than Andante.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean, can we trade spots? my life for Bears life tomorrow? Bears is maf and I'm the only one calling Bears maf, coincidence that bears want me dead?

That only really works if it's likely there has to be a mafia between you two, but i don't really see why a townflip on you would prove Bears is scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm fine with just going for an lim right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Bears and Mala was being scummy then i'd agree with finishing the mass claim.
But bears and Mala aren't scummy, so pushing for them to claim is just going to be helpful for scum so they know where it's best to shoot tonight.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Spoiler:

Toogaloo - Casper Darling
- 2 Shot HRA Researcher
- Non-lethal actions negated.
- LLD and Self. No shots remaining.

Tictac - Benicoff TV
- Vanilla Ascetic

StD - Moving Letters
- Fruit Vendor

Mastina - Ashtray
- VT (Claims Molded)

Andante - Simon Arish
- VT

Cephir - Merry Go Round Horse
- VT

Norwee - Zachariah Trench
- VT

Roden - Polaris
- N/A (Claims Molded)

Three Bears - Dylan Faden
- N/A (Claims Molded)

Malakittens - The Board
- N/A

I love structurally laying out what is known so far...

[NorwegianboyEE]

- VC -

Toogeloo (3) - Malakittens, NorwegianboyEE, Andante
Andante (2) - Toogeloo, The Three Bears
Cephrir (1) - mastina
The Three Bears (1) - tictac

Not voting (3) - Save The Dragons, Cephrir, Roden

[NorwegianboyEE]

UwU
Toog is an better vote~

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you want to buss my partner go ahead.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t agree at all with your narrative here btw.
You’re either way off the deep end or trying to make some weird justification for why scum!Toog=Scum!Norwee if you’re his partner.

[NorwegianboyEE]

There’s no good reason why Toog would be an bloodsucking leech on me all game unless he wanted to cruise on my towniness. Doesn’t mean we’re partners.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Paranoia~
Paranoia~

Roden can’t see left from right~
Blinded by his Norwee fright~

Little Toog to Norwee goes~
He is weak but they are strong~

[NorwegianboyEE]

By that i mean all i really remember from Toog is him saying he TR me early game and then doing nothing else, before bandwagoning today on whoever looks likely.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t agree at all with your narrative here btw.
You’re either way off the deep end or trying to make some weird justification for why scum!Toog=Scum!Norwee if you’re his partner.

Saying "I disagree" isn't a convincing response. I think everyone needs to seriously look at you tomorrow, and I'd rather put this out there now in case I do die tonight.

That’s fair.
I doubt anyone will agree though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well i'm not gonna "address it" if Toog flips scum.
You can mark my words on that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fastest way to make me annoyed at a game is to write some overblown shitty case that's not even remotely correct and is based on complete lies and falsification.
And then afterwards act like you've done something amazing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Roden is trying to fit a square into a triangle hole here, by justifying his BS *spooky hands* DEEPWOLF case and listing reasons why Toog is scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fastest way to make me annoyed at a game is to write some overblown shitty case that's not even remotely correct and is based on complete lies and falsification.
And then afterwards act like you've done something amazing.

point out the lies.

They are pointing to posts that state 1+2=2. But their conclusion is that the answer is actually Howard the space alien.

[NorwegianboyEE]

if things are as you say they are it really shouldn't be hard for you to identify specific falsehoods

The falsehood is that i'm alligned with Toog.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The correct posts is that Toog has awkward interactions with me, because he is scum.
Why does that make me scum too? That's the wrong part.

[NorwegianboyEE]

if things are as you say they are it really shouldn't be hard for you to identify specific falsehoods

The falsehood is that i'm alligned with Toog.

there is a difference between "wrong" and "lying"

if you're going to accuse him of lying you have to back it up

There is no difference. Roden can be town making a BS case to justify their tunnel on me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm saying that Roden already had the conclusion in his head that i am a deepwolf, and since he scumreads Toog he had to justify a world where both of us are scum, hence the case.

[NorwegianboyEE]

lying is intentional. wrong doesn't have to be. if there are lies in the post, you should be able to point them out and say "this event factually did not happen." otherwise, you're disagreeing with the conclusion that was drawn but not the facts about events.

anyway, i think you're scum for reacting this way. attempted bravado hoping no one else would take it seriously -> panicking when i did take it seriously.
even if he's off base on the reasons, it feels like you know toog is flipping scum.

Ok but flip the actual scum first. Don't do some BS like trying to mislim we first "cus i'm scummier". I will scumread you so hard if you do that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't care if y'all think i'm partnered with Toog. Whether i'm town or scum my goal is the same. To lim scum. So if in the end you are all in your mind helping me "buss" him then town wins today regardless.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok that made no sense. My goal as scum would be to endgame. Lmao.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I should have done what i do earlier. And just take breaks when i get tilted. Fuck me i always end up this way.

Taking a long break, bye.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok so i sat down with a tea and feel relaxed.

If you got any concrete questions feel free to ask and i may answer them.

I never scumread Roden, and i don't think his case contains lies. I just went a bit overzealous because i was feeling nervous and hypertense today. But now i should be better. Basically i just disagree with their case and the conclusion. I don't see why Toog flipping scum should indicate i am scum. If there are any actual arguments that people are convinced makes that true, please voice them so i can respond to the points in question that lead you to think so.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Me reacting like this is not scum indicative, and i can point to many games where i lose my cool at being scumread, and where i was of the town allignment. In fact it is rare i have these sort of episodes at all as scum. So if this made you think i am scum, i'd ask you to reconsider and if that's not enough, ask me for concrete meta. And i will give it to you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

give me meta

(Basically the entire game) Smugglers port -> viewtopic.php?f=56&t=83567
(From the moment Menalque posts a big case about me being scum, and i freak out) Large Normal 224 -> viewtopic.php?f=55&t=81317&hilit=+menalque
(IV scumreads me from start and i react badly) Open 787 Lovers Mafia -> viewtopic.php?f=52&t=83760&hilit=+lover
(I think you were in Holiday Dance Party) Holiday Dance Party -> viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88375

[NorwegianboyEE]

Don't you have questions?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't mind replying today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We can lim Toog now.

I'm fine with just going for an lim right now.

These posts also really concerned me. After I ask Toog to address the Norwee deep wolf case, Toog disappears and Norwee starts pressuring everyone to hurry up and vote Toog out before we can even finish the mass claim and finish any topics/conversations that were still going on. But maybe I'm just being paranoid...

If Bears and Mala was being scummy then i'd agree with finishing the mass claim.
But bears and Mala aren't scummy, so pushing for them to claim is just going to be helpful for scum so they know where it's best to shoot tonight.

...Why am I excluded here? Norwee knows I haven't full claimed yet.

Spoiler:

Toogaloo - Casper Darling
- 2 Shot HRA Researcher
- Non-lethal actions negated.
- LLD and Self. No shots remaining.

Tictac - Benicoff TV
- Vanilla Ascetic

StD - Moving Letters
- Fruit Vendor

Mastina - Ashtray
- VT (Claims Molded)

Andante - Simon Arish
- VT

Cephir - Merry Go Round Horse
- VT

Norwee - Zachariah Trench
- VT

Roden - Polaris
- N/A (Claims Molded)

Three Bears - Dylan Faden
- N/A (Claims Molded)

Malakittens - The Board
- N/A

I love structurally laying out what is known so far...

I think it's because it doesn't matter what I claim. Norwee knows where scum is shooting tonight.

the first point here interests me a bit too. the latter doesn't super bug me, although if it's some reason other than you randomly forgetting roden existed you can talk about that too.

The context of the first post was that claims had finished so we could vote out a slot, and me expressing i was fine with it at that moment.
The context of the second is that there were questions if Three Bears/Roden/Mala should full claim before we finish the day, and me stating that i wouldn't care about that and prefer we end the day without giving scum that knowledge.
All of that should be pretty clear just from reading up to that point. So that doesn't really have to do with Toog in particular? If Toog decides to go away after casing me then that's something to ask him about, idk why that should have anything to do with me.
Now did i care if Toog would show back up or not? To be blunt, no not really. There is no real reason for me to care if Toog comes back before we elim him, but if he did that wouldn't bother me either. I just think he's scum. And it's silly to think that i would be rushing the lim for some nefarious reason instead of just wanting for us to end the day like a normal person that thinks there is nothing else to really talk about.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Don't you have questions?

Well, a lot of it is based on toog's posts, but there's at least one thing i can ask you about. why did your read on me suddenly flip?

Mastina.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And yeah i didn't remember Roden hadn't full claimed, but it wasn't all that vital to the point in my post there. I just wanted to state that i didn't need anymore full claims from the remaining slots, and as it happened when i saw Roden also hadn't claimed it didn't bother me either because i didn't really scumread them and since either scum would shoot there or they would claim later if they kept being alive, it was of no real issue.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just realized that no slots that claim to be molded has been killed so far?
Mastina/Roden/Three Bears are all still alive.
Idk what that means, but it's an interesting observation.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's not really anything they've said per say, it's just how convinced they are, and has been all game so far.
And tbh they seem to have much more experience reading you while i don't have any. Pretty sure they stated that if you sound townie then you're more likely scum. And now that the pool is getting smaller it's making me more likely to revisit that read.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway i'm for voting Toog as of right now.
There's still a chance you could convince me later you are town if all of us are still here tommorow?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I acknowledge in my post that Toog's behavior on it's own isn't really enough to scum case you. What pings me though is that you did make a couple of scummy posts where you explicitly say that you don't trust STD and me, but then also believe we are town that might get swayed to vote you. And there isn't really much time that elapsed between those two posts, so it's hard to believe it was a natural read change.

Not really? At most i said i wanted to reconsider you and STD, meaning i wanted to confirm if my read on you both was correct or wrong. That is not the same as saying i lost all trust in you and STD.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Toog was to seriously push me as an mislim then there would necesarilly need to be slots that were willing to vote me in the first place, and considering previous pages before Toog said he scumread me had both you and STD voicing concerns over me being a deepwolf it completely checks out as an opportunistic scum push from Toog. That is one of the reasons i've stated i scumread him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hence i'm thinking that a scum Toog flip would indicate town in your slots. Likely both in that case.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That feels kinda BS, i mean maybe you weren't being all that... wording: "Upfront" about it. But still all the things you said indicated you seriously considered me to be a very likely scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who are your strongest scumreads right now then Toog?

[NorwegianboyEE]

um. i suggested that and u said i'm a mislim?
ftr still think mold is 3rd party.
also why moldy folk aren't dying. i think scumz are mold-hunting w nk. more surprised catboy died being pmuch confirmed non-mold.

Val was vigged (Most likely. Don't remember if Catboi told me)
LLD was killed.
Tet was killed
Nero Cain was vigged (Catboi told me)
Bell was killed
Catboi was killed

So we have LLD, Tet, Bell, Catboi.
Why would scum be aiming for a 3P? All those slots just look like good town to kill to me.
Are you TMI'ing or just pulling this out of nowhere?

[NorwegianboyEE]

if i was flavor leaf this is where i'd claim "Mold-1" just to see what happens.

I don't really think we have a 3p, but if we did i would probably suspect you since ascetic is an likely modifier to have for 3p, and it makes sense to claim it early so nobody suspects you if their action fails.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I acknowledge in my post that Toog's behavior on it's own isn't really enough to scum case you. What pings me though is that you did make a couple of scummy posts where you explicitly say that you don't trust STD and me, but then also believe we are town that might get swayed to vote you. And there isn't really much time that elapsed between those two posts, so it's hard to believe it was a natural read change.

Not really? At most i said i wanted to reconsider you and STD, meaning i wanted to confirm if my read on you both was correct or wrong. That is not the same as saying i lost all trust in you and STD.

Not saying you lost all trust in us but that you seemed to have a reason not to trust us. Neither of us did anything to town tell by that point, and it feels odd to assume that we're both town.

If Toog was to seriously push me as an mislim then there would necesarilly need to be slots that were willing to vote me in the first place, and considering previous pages before Toog said he scumread me had both you and STD voicing concerns over me being a deepwolf it completely checks out as an opportunistic scum push from Toog. That is one of the reasons i've stated i scumread him.

It wasn't really a serious push though, that's a part of what pings me about it. Toog made two posts attacking you and then dropped it after you attacked them back. The only other thing they say is "idk Trench doesn't really fit flavor wise but I think these three other people are the scum team". It feels more like they're trying to give us a reason to trust you after they flip red.

To be fair, I didn't really out and out say you were a scum read in that post. I said "if" there was a deepwolf, you were my pick.

nuances, I know.

People always make assumptions with my posts. /sheug

Are you...trying to say you scum cased someone you didn't actually believe was scum?

Give a reason to trust me? By doing it in the most awful way possible?
I know how to buss Roden. Do you think i wouldn’t tell Toog in a scum!me+them scenario how to do it properly.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yes, you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And why can’t it be just scum shading a town player.

[NorwegianboyEE]

At one point you gotta ask yourself in an "convincing bus" is just non-alligned interaction.

[NorwegianboyEE]

At one point you gotta ask yourself if an "convincing bus" is just non-alligned interaction.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why does town lie :/

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who got message?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I do agree we should finish claims today. If there are in fact 3 maf we’re close to losing.
We need all info on the table.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also tell us message plz

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh i thought you got the Galron message, that’s what i meant.
Don’t care about std target lmao

[NorwegianboyEE]

Don’t really get it but ok.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh enabler.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You’re right, it doesn’t really confirm you being town.
But i don’t need an confirmation to see that both Tictac and Andante are angling hard for an Bears lim today. >_>

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mala is also confirmed town from my POV.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It has to be in or Andante/Ceph/Tictac.
I just don’t see a world where that is wrong.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If that’s wrong tell me i’m crazy. You got today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It has to be in or Andante/Ceph/Tictac.
I just don’t see a world where that is wrong.

Can I get a case on Ceph? People keep saying Ceph and I legitimately don't know why.

Mastina said if the slot sounds like town they are scum so now i’m SUPER PARANOID.
And now that we are this far into the game i start to feel SUPER bad about them ok? I just get this gut feeling, like a vague "trying to remember a dream" gut that says they are super bad but i can’t really express betond that cus i haven’t read their ISO or anything.