Grandest Idea Mafia [Endgame]

[Roden]

Kinda scary just finishing Control and getting hard pocketed, and then getting town read by multiple people this game before I even post tbh.

[Roden]

Only person I'd say gains more suspicion (other than me) is roden because Mega gladiator only has utility in town hands but it's a moot point

I'm not sure Roden's the type to go all out and try and bet the game on himself carrying an entire day phase

but i could be wrong

I got the impression Roden would prefer playing town from my limited experience though so I think it's more likely than not

Yeah I thought about taking it as a gambit but uh, with multiball and 3P I don't see it ever ending any other way than me getting voted out. I am 100% certain everyone would rather sacrifice me than end the game early anyway, plus if a Day Vig exists it cancels the gambit altogether. Just not a fun role to pick tbh. But I guess this at least confirms I'm not Jester since it would guarantee an automatic Jester win.

Also yeah given the choice between playing town or scum I'll always pick town, I naturally roll scum too often to want to choose to put myself through that. Plus, to be real for a moment, I've had a really bad LHF streak the past few months, I'd feel too guilty to purposely choose to be scum and weigh my team down.

[Roden]

Oh right, cards were Mafia Town Mafia. Town was VT, if that matters.

[Roden]

Everyone pissed about discarded IC.

I am pissed about discarded Town Bulletproof Nuclear Bomb.

Are there powers more important than immortality?

hello peoples !

town mafia sk

i'd agree that i'm curious as to why peoples are focusing on the ICs when like Flea is one of the most useful possible roles out there?
(someone even called it anti-town???)

It would still be strong for Mafia as well, so I wouldn't necessarily say it's anti town. So Flea either got a god tier ability from a different card, or fae is an alignment that can't win if fae's voted out. So possibly a Cult Leader, solo 3P, or an Anti-Jester.

VOTE: Flea

[Roden]

Wait Andante is the IC discard? I thought it was Meg

I'm really confused about the Meg discard IC talk.. I discarded IC yes. Like I don't wanna be an IC.. useless ability!!!

Why didn't you pick the "Town" part of IC though for your alignment? Didn't you know it'd be suspicious to discard it?

FWIW

yes andante would not be aware that discarding IC would be suspicious to other people

this is something town choosing andante would do


tho i kinda suspect she chose like cult or something like that but i dont think she is a mafia groupscum fwiw.

Eeeeeh I suspect Meg more than Andante, i can understand not quite understanding how the setup works explaining that

Unless Andante's a good faker of ignorance (*^ω^)

pedit: There is also the bit where I think something mentioned Andante doesnt like scum due to not liking being under pressure or something

It's a good point that i guess if Andante had no intention of ever being evil then they didn't even realize doing this would put them under fire

But that goes back to my first sentence

Heavily agree with these posts. I don't think anyone who wants to roll town will publicly discard an IC card.

@Andante:

What were your three card alignments?

[Roden]

Tlich gives off weird vibes but I've never played with them before so it's meh

I've only played with Lich once (Superfight Mafia), but they were obvtown there. The weird vibes are NAI if that game is anything to go by.

[Roden]

That just say they find their experience with you NAI. It's literally a nothing statement.

Why do you think scum can't make that kind of post?

This is actually a really good example of what I'm talking about. Lich's thought process can look weird, but they can obvtown if you can tell that they believe in what they're saying.

[Roden]

I feel like you're shading somebody.
Hmmm

if I am going to call out contrived posts, I'd say 311 is a reaction test

pedit: megazumarill you're starting to scare me a bit

311 looks like distancing to me. Flea and Nora's interactions feel fake in general, their little argument came out of nowhere and ended awkwardly.

Flea I'm a vengeful, if you vote me I'll venge Dumb Hydra for you

Why waste a vengeful, I'll read nora later

This specifically looks like NM called Flea's bluff, since fae backed off immediately after fae just said fae didn't want to bother reading the hydra gimmick posts.

[Roden]

Calculus kinda blatantly tip toeing around the scum reads that get sent their way.

General vibe of the game so far feels very tip toe-y though. Idk what that says about the size of the guaranteed group scum, but I think this implies we might have several solo 3P who can't rely on a factional win if they die. Like I don't understand how we can have a 15 player anything goes Grand Idea Mafia game yet barely have any real pushes happen. Instead town reads are getting handed out like candy and the few scum reads we do have aren't gaining much traction.

[Roden]

If this ends up actually being just 11 town/3 scum/1 3P then I'll be disappointed.

[Roden]

Roden would you like to join my cult

Only if you do the pirate thing again

[Roden]

Want to break that up with a push of your own?

You can join me on one of Flea or Calculus

[Roden]

The Best Pirate Krew to Ever Sail the Seven Seas:

Captain: Pooky
First Mate: Tweetie
Head Torturer: DkKoba
Sexy Female Side Character: Enchant
Head Bartender: Toogeloo
That Parrot that Nobody listens to: Roden

OOF

I mean I get it but ow

[Roden]

Want to break that up with a push of your own?

You can join me on one of Flea or Calculus

Calc reads more town to me than not although you could prolly convince me

Flea I'm indifferent on but sure
VOTE: Flea

It's a few different things about Calculus that feel off to me. Like I'd said earlier, they're tip toeing around the scum reads, which by itself doesn't mean much, but neither of Ircher or Nora seem like the kind of players to normally do that. The only person they seriously hit back against is Flea, but as I also noted earlier it felt fake and didn't really go anywhere.

Something a lot less concrete is the vibe I'm getting from both of them. Not vibe as in "I feel bad vibes therefore they're scum," but the vibe of their interactions just don't add up to me. Nora is apparently upset because Flea can't read zir, but Control (a game where they were a hydra together) just ended and Nora was being very supportive to Flea there. The tonal whiplash of "it's ok you did great" to "you're bad at reading me" is what pings me here, and personally makes me think their interactions are manufactured.

[Roden]

I require Roden to Fullclaim their role.

Alright but I have a guilty*

do note the asterisk which is why my vote isn't there yet

putting this as pagetop

Not full claiming or claiming anything at all really. Just say you're role fishing lol, we both know you don't actually have a guilty on me.

[Roden]

Roden you think Meg is rolefishing or reaction testing?

Probably both.

I require Roden to Fullclaim their role.

Alright but I have a guilty*

do note the asterisk which is why my vote isn't there yet

putting this as pagetop

Not full claiming or claiming anything at all really. Just say you're role fishing lol, we both know you don't actually have a guilty on me.

If you have a role that could have interfered with my night result then out now.

If you're asking if I'm ascetic then I'm not, I would've claimed so Day 1. I won't be confirming if I'm a Commuter though.

[Roden]

Sadly I may be the only player in the game without a guilty result apparently.

[Roden]

Btw if we have three people all pointing at each other claiming hard guilties, then you're literally all just scum

Pooky Tweet Koba aren't necessarily aligned or bussing, but are likely opposing group scum/3P

[Roden]

But I think we're prolly eliminating Roden or Toog's result cause your result on me is practically worthless in comparison and mine isn't the greatest either

Meg doesn't have a guilty on me or they'd actually say it by now.

I was also the only one correctly reading Lich, which actually matters in this kind of set up where we're only guaranteed four town (and it's looking like we might actually only have four town...)

[Roden]

Why does Meg want your role Roden and why are you not just scum

Idk and I'm town by play + Meg doesn't actually have a mechanical guilty on me.

PE: Meg...you know someone could have roleblocked you, right?

[Roden]

Considering we have 11/15 players that definitely didn't I am ruling out that possibility

Explain.

Also why did this require a full role claim?? Like if you had just asked if I had any modifiers then your claim would be believable, but you asked for a full claim while your "guilty" relied on me not being Ascetic/Commuter and you being Roleblocked, which you're claiming is impossible.

[Roden]

Toog just say your guilt result

[Roden]

Considering we have 11/15 players that definitely didn't I am ruling out that possibility

Also since you responded the exact way I'd expect scum to react

What does this even mean lol

You're saying because I said your result is wrong that it has to be a scum reaction?

I've to dip for a while.
Roden still needs to fullclaim

No and it's literally only scummy to push for a full claim after claiming your "guilty" result. If you actually believed I was scum then you wouldn't need my full claim, you'd know it after I flipped.

[Roden]

The dancing around a claim but keeping your options open depending on the nature of the guilty.

There is no "dancing", anyone who can read can see that you asked me to full claim and I said no lmao. Role claim isn't affected by a guilty and you claimed a Loyal check anyway.

As for the role claim if you're scum I want to make you claim early so you can't Weasley your way out of the rope with a claim later

A guilty is a guilty, my role wouldn't matter. And I could claim anything in this setup anyway. We both know this. The truth is that you don't actually have a guilty, and your claim isn't convincing. Claiming Loyal and nothing else means nothing, and honestly it's just making your claim look worse the more you try to push this.

I think if you had a real guilty result, you would have full claimed your own role to make your result more substantive. As it is, you're claiming a vague result with an unknown role and hoping people just follow along. It's very transparent.

Considering we have 11/15 players that definitely didn't I am ruling out that possibility

Explain.

5 out of 10 are dead
if you had roleblocked me you would've already said
Pooky/MT/ Toogeloo have actions already tied
I didn't roleblock myself
I know of at least one player who did not roleblock me that will stay anonymous.
11/15

5/10 are dead?? What??

You realize people can lie about their actions, it's entirely possible none of the claimed actions so far actually happened. The fact that you're not questioning them and just accepting everyone is telling the truth just looks like a perspective slip in all honesty.

[Roden]

Alternatively we lim Roden, MT shoots/pooky recruits Andante, and Me + Toog check your guys' pair.

If roden flips town MT can shoot me or if they are scum I'm limmed tomorrow

???

How does MT shoot you?

[Roden]

Alternatively we lim Roden, MT shoots/pooky recruits Andante, and Me + Toog check your guys' pair.

If roden flips town MT can shoot me or if they are scum I'm limmed tomorrow

???

How does MT shoot you?

[Roden]

That's a genuine scum slip lmao

VOTE: MegAzumarill

[Roden]

You literally just said Tweet has a gun even though they never claimed to have a gun

[Roden]

They claimed to have a shot of any normal role.

That literally can be a Gun shot

Assuming not only is Tweet town, and true claiming, but also that they took a gun when they never said they did. If they had a gun they'd just say it instead of " whatever normal role I want". You can't even say they're trying to avoid getting NK'd by not mentioning i6 since they already claimed JOAT Cop, if town they'd already be a massive threat to scum with their current claim.

Like...this doesn't add up from a town perspective.

Also I never leave myself for 50/50 here on Roden of all people, if I'm scum I literally just mislim off of play or lack thereof today

As scum it just wouldn't make sense

It's not a 50/50 though, or at least it wasn't. You claimed a vague guilty, and decided without any evidence whatsoever that you couldn't be roleblocked and that everyone else in the game was telling the truth.

I think you went after me because I've been very easily mis-elimmed in the past and you possibly just need to survive one more day phase to secure a win.

[Roden]

:/

Then why wouldn't I try and get the SK limmed because my faction couldn't deal with it on its own.

Or like just not open the day with a soft guilty. Like at least hard guilty.

You're not pushing the SK because it betrays your town intent to eliminate someone you "know" is scum. Like if you said "Well Roden is confscum but let's kill the SK first" then you'd basically just out yourself because that would be a scum mindset.

You can't open the day with a soft guilty because you don't know if I have a role that could conftown me. That's what you role fished first. Again, you don't need to actually know my role, besides any potential modifiers, if you have a guilty on me.

[Roden]

VOTE: Roden Is this the best option, Meg?

Desperate to survive until the night phase huh

[Roden]

Considering we have 11/15 players that definitely didn't I am ruling out that possibility

Explain.

5 out of 10 are dead
if you had roleblocked me you would've already said
Pooky/MT/ Toogeloo have actions already tied
I didn't roleblock myself

I know of at least one player who did not roleblock me that will stay anonymous.

11/15

So this is Tweet right

[Roden]

you know my weakness is being told by 3 people, it has to be 3 people.

Vote Meg, they scum slipped and I can prove I'm town with my role

[Roden]

you know my weakness is being told by 3 people, it has to be 3 people.

Vote Meg, they scum slipped and I can prove I'm town with my role

Calling me saying that any ability includes kills is a scum slip is disingenuous

EBWOP

You claimed they had a gun before they actually said they did.

Additionally, Tweet said they could pick any normal role they wanted, but just one. But they're claiming two, Vig and IC. Like this is legit just caught scum as it is, but you blindly believing them proves you're partners.

[Roden]

I'm a JoAT with the following abilities

- Any normal role
- Cop
- Roleblock + Cop
- Roleblock

I used Roleblock + Cop on Pooky

i wasnt gonna reveal but if he's gonna act like im evil theeennnn welp

MT has an any normal role shot.

It's always disloyal vig

Ummm yeah I have a gun correct

JOaTs with access to gun abilities count as guilty to gunsmiths yes

I figure this prolly isn't why I'm being suspected though

Just let me shoot Pooky with a Weak Vigilante and it'll kill us both!

I can also reveal as IC lmao

Proof it's a fake claim btw.

[Roden]

I literally said this in my first post today. Don't get it twisted.

i AM a vigilante. And an IC. I'm whatever I fricken want. Once

Then reveal yourself.

[Roden]

I'm a JoAT with the following abilities

- Any normal role
- Cop
- Roleblock + Cop
- Roleblock

I used Roleblock + Cop on Pooky

i wasnt gonna reveal but if he's gonna act like im evil theeennnn welp

MT has an any normal role shot.

It's always disloyal vig

Ummm yeah I have a gun correct

JOaTs with access to gun abilities count as guilty to gunsmiths yes

I figure this prolly isn't why I'm being suspected though

Just let me shoot Pooky with a Weak Vigilante and it'll kill us both!

I can also reveal as IC lmao

Proof it's a fake claim btw.

proof you're scum in one post. You are being very disingenuous here.

Where? Show me where what I'm saying is a lie.

[Roden]

I literally said this in my first post today. Don't get it twisted.

i AM a vigilante. And an IC. I'm whatever I fricken want. Once

Then reveal yourself.

It's a nighttime JoAT

Everything about your role conveniently only works the way you want it to work lmao

[Roden]

Where? Show me where what I'm saying is a lie.

You have been so disingenuous with me. Why do you keep saying I am claiming impossible things? Please just read my role again

You claimed to be Vig and IC did you not?

[Roden]

This is actually hilarious though

Meg got caught lying, Tweet got caught lying, both got caught as being partners with each other after Meg slipped

But all either can say is "vote Roden" while being unable to back up any of their results and lying about their roles

Meg won't even say how they got a guilty, just claiming Loyal X and hoping that's just enough to push through a miselim

[Roden]

TemporalLich was killed last night. He was a...

Town Split-Target Strongwilled Doctor 2-Shot Strongman Vigilante

Spoiler: TemporalLich

Town Split-Target Strongwilled Double Doctor 2-Shot Strongman Vigilante

Grandest Idea Mafia

If I may say so myself, I am the most proud of the soul this one bears. It became my most trusted creation. - Blue Sapphire

Welcome TemporalLich! You are a

Town Split-Target Strongwilled Double Doctor 2-Shot Strongman Vigilante

, and aligned with

The Town

.

Abilities:
~ You are informed

[REDACTED]

~ Each night, you may use all abilities you have access to. You may not target the same player twice with any abilities in the same night.
~ Twice per game, you may kill another player. This kill cannot be prevented, nor protected against.
~ Each night, you may heal any two players. This heal cannot be prevented, nor redirected.

Victory Condition:
~ You win when there are no longer any threats to the

Town

, and at least one

Townie

is still alive.

Please confirm you have read your role-card by

submitting your role-name, alignment, and summarizing any abilities you have.

Radical Rat was killed last night. They were a...

Two-Lived Original Mafioso

Spoiler: Radical Rat

Two-Lived Original Mafioso

Grandest Idea Mafia

Despite all the odds, those damn mages actually did it for once. They brought someone back to life without them being a zombie. - Delta

Welcome Radical Rat! You are a

Two-Lived Original Mafioso

, and aligned with

The Mafia

.

Abilities:
~ Each night, you may attempt to recruit another player into your faction. They will retain their abilities. No more than 5 players may be recruited by this ability. This ability will fail on groupscum with living partners.
~ You are deathproof, and the first two times you should die, you will instead survive.
~ On Day 5, all players in your faction will be able to commit twice as many actions as they normally can, and

Town

cannot preform actions on Odd-Numbered nights.

Factional Abilities:
~

[REDACTED]

Victory Condition:
~ You win when all the threats to the

Mafia

are gone and at least one

Mafioso

is still alive, or when nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Please confirm you have read your role-card by

submitting your role-name, alignment, and summarizing any abilities you have, OR by posting in the Mafia PT.

Scorpio was killed last night. He was a...

Town Hated Supersaint

Spoiler: Scorpio

Town Hated Supersaint

Grandest Idea Mafia

It was angry. Spiteful. I think this was the first artifact we ever made. ~ Blue Sapphire

Welcome Scorpio! You are a

Town Hated Supersaint

, and aligned with

The Town

.

Abilities:
~ You take one less vote to yeet. This is not publicly revealed until you should be at E-1 if you were not Hated.
~ If you are yeeted, you will automatically kill whoever hammered you.

Victory Condition:
~ You win when there are no longer any threats to the

Town

, and at least one

Townie

is still alive.

Please confirm you have read your role-card by

submitting your role-name, alignment, and summarizing any abilities you have.

Not_Mafia was killed last night. He was a...

Jester Innocent Child

Spoiler: Not_Mafia

Jester Innocent Child

Grandest Idea Mafia

This page is different than the rest. Someone hastily scrawled into this page. There is no signature either.

Welcome! You are a

Jester Innocent Child

, and aligned with

yourself

.

Abilities:
~ Once per game, during the night, you may ask for the mod to reveal yourself as a member of

The Town

at the start of the next day. This ability is susceptible to manipulative actions.

Victory Condition:
~ You win when you are yeeted.

Please confirm you have read your role-card by

submitting your role-name, alignment, and summarizing any abilities you have.

So looking at this, we can account for three of the kills.

Vig killed one.
If Andante is SK she killed one.
Group scum killed one.
How did the fourth die? Second Vig/SK, or do we have a second group scum?

[Roden]

Pooky it's literally just Meg/Tweet. Vote Meg and you can recruit Tweet.

[Roden]

How it excludes, MT basically never said what result she got.

She said mafia

Attention 0 from me.

I am willing to vote Roden, but i need clarify from Pooky/MT/Andante that they do what they need to do, so we don't end up with "Oh i missed that".

Pooky converts Andante
MT disloyal vig Pooky
Andante stab MT (or claim atleast so we don't hope on it)

Seems cool for me. Please confirm
@Pooky
@MT
@Andante

Are you serious

Meg and Tweet both got caught lying?? Meg literally scum slipped why would you vote me

[Roden]

How it excludes, MT basically never said what result she got.

She said mafia

Attention 0 from me.

I am willing to vote Roden, but i need clarify from Pooky/MT/Andante that they do what they need to do, so we don't end up with "Oh i missed that".

Pooky converts Andante
MT disloyal vig Pooky
Andante stab MT (or claim atleast so we don't hope on it)

Seems cool for me. Please confirm
@Pooky
@MT
@Andante

Are you serious

Meg and Tweet both got caught lying?? Meg literally scum slipped why would you vote me

Yea, that's why i want all of them disappear.

What about Meg did lie?

Meg lied about the guilty, fished for my role claim even though they didn't need it to confirm their supposed guilty result, and flat out admitted that they're partners with Tweet.

[Roden]

How it excludes, MT basically never said what result she got.

She said mafia

Attention 0 from me.

I am willing to vote Roden, but i need clarify from Pooky/MT/Andante that they do what they need to do, so we don't end up with "Oh i missed that".

Pooky converts Andante
MT disloyal vig Pooky
Andante stab MT (or claim atleast so we don't hope on it)

Seems cool for me. Please confirm
@Pooky
@MT
@Andante

Are you serious

Meg and Tweet both got caught lying?? Meg literally scum slipped why would you vote me

Yea, that's why i want all of them disappear.

What about Meg did lie?

Meg lied about the guilty, fished for my role claim even though they didn't need it to confirm their supposed guilty result, and flat out admitted that they're partners with Tweet.

Meg and Tweet are also hard defending each other and begging everyone to vote me before everyone can even check in and give potential results.

[Roden]

Gonna be gone for a few hours for D&D, don't flash elim me while I'm gone please.

[Roden]

Meg and Tweet are also hard defending each other and begging everyone to vote me before everyone can even check in and give potential results.

Meg didn't get guiltied or have anything sus happen to be fair

Meg also doesn't have a guilty and actually blatantly lied and has been suspicious all of today to be fair

[Roden]

I literally don't have incentive to do this as scum unless it literally wins me the game.

I literally already said this, you likely win the game by forcing this mis-elim.

[Roden]

Meg and Tweet are also hard defending each other and begging everyone to vote me before everyone can even check in and give potential results.

Meg didn't get guiltied or have anything sus happen to be fair

Meg also doesn't have a guilty and actually blatantly lied and has been suspicious all of today to be fair

I've yet to see any liessss

You wouldn't if you're partnered

Which Meg admitted to

[Roden]

GG, thanks for modding