KTaNE [game over!]

[Bell]

I'm ineligible.

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For the record this is wrong both theoretically (confirmation bias) and empirically (it’s very rare for anyone to have perfect reads, so what’s more likely to happen is that you end up limming a few scum and then a bunch of town that person with overall good reads thought seemed scummy).

Nobody in this game bar maybe pooky has reads that are accurate enough to let follow-the-leader be maybe game winning.

For sure. I'm not saying you follow anyone to end game. Just saying, we hit scum yesterday,

why are we ego fighting over the play today

? We have good reason to lim in the expert pool and dwlee/me have had some correct reads this game. You let the dice roll on that.

This feels like the opposite of what you said, but uh, this conversation about an opinion a cowboy avatar has is very much a derail of more fun topics like who the scum are and why they're scum.

[Bell]

Sigh

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I don't see much reason to get Titus in there. They've done nothing here and I doubt they'll do anything in the PT either. They're busy, with murder trials.
I want to respect Andante's initial "DOn't include me"

And I can only tolerate one goof ball per hood. If you want to include then the other two players have to be very townie or else it's just going to confuse things for me.

[Bell]

Basically, Enchant or titus.
Pick one, but not both.
Andante needs to wait for next round.

[Bell]

I'm also good with none of those players being in there.

[Bell]

Bell, Bell, Bell, with special guest bomb defuser: Bell.

[Bell]

Bell

[Bell]

I don't want to include you if your ability only works on even days or whatever.

[Bell]

HEAL: Andante

Just elect Pooky, Ceph and Andante.
At least if someone explodes it'll be spicy.

[Bell]

Is anybody townreading dwlee on play btw?

Not by play. But they’ve dug themselves out of a hole based on their approach this day phase to SM and Baltar. They were pretty deep into scum read territory at the beginning of this day phase for me and now they’re neutral to Lean town.

[Bell]

Disagree with dwlee’s take they did not get much town cred for that if a bus.
@andante: yeah, I get what you mean but it was done well. It seemed realistic with little bursts of motivation and thoughts here and there.

[Bell]

VOTE: Strangematters

WHAM

[Bell]

Talk.

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I felt all three of Pooky/Ceph/Titus were townie in the hood and I think if scum in any of them were trying to get rid of me they could have just openly scumread me and blown me up without much consequence

I think Baltar is scummier than Dwlee

Okay

[Bell]

Nah

Not you, everyone else. I have no expectations for you.

[Bell]

I’m processing.
A lot.

[Bell]

Q: what is the scum team doing with their no kill thingy. I can’t keep track or make every variation of possibilities.

[Bell]

Waiting on VP.

[Bell]

I love no context stuff, please, keep being vague.
I'm not upset, really (but really keep it to yourselves until it benefits town the most).

[Bell]

Smoked?

[Bell]

You're fully assured that they're both town,
why?

[Bell]

That's cute GL.
So you're saying that Titus is scum and you know this because of hood stuff because Cephrir just said they were confident there was 1 scum out of the 3 of them and it's fairly unlikely that Cephrir would proactively say that as scum.
And you're excluding pooky because of hood stuff

[Bell]

So you're saying that Cephrir is lying.

[Bell]

Why are you assuming paranoia and not a result? They're ambiguous about what they have, but based on what they said there appears to be power involved.

[Bell]

*upset*

[Bell]

That's life.

[Bell]

Don't worry Bell, I have experience being sidelined by a particular productive neighborhood before. It's cool, my reads were absolute garbage anyway.

[Bell]

Please don't fuck up.

love,
-A concerned Townsperson.

[Bell]

Nobody has reassured me that you guys won't fuck up.

Typical.

[Bell]

What in the world.

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Vp’s response to this is silly, for the simple reason that given the amount of time they had, the whole thing should click for them that dwlee is scum unless their scumdar is entirely broken. Dwlee has enough posts to click.
I am weirded out that delete softened their response too.

I guess auto correct is calling sales sales dwlee99 wow it won’t even ducking autocorrect the same way twice.
Have at you autocorrect. You’re the real enemy.

[Bell]

Sure. But statistically. You’re probably wrong and torpedoing the chance of getting a scum lim this day phase with a scum team that has been blatantly trying to get you miseliminated for day phases.but okay. Work it out. Maybe you’ll convince me.

[Bell]

Rip catto.

[Bell]

*insert Mandatory Pooky paranoia*
Straight up position reversal sucks. And even if I’m wrong and they’d suspected vp all along I still say the same.

[Bell]

Mistyx would you like to comment on being the shoe in for an elimination once dwlee or Baltar flips scum?

[Bell]

I don’t think anyone made a mistake with the bomb and I think the scum team blew up the doc and this argument is terrible and remains terrible.

[Bell]

Look dwlee. It’s depressing, but somehow I can’t figure out which of you it is.
It’s incredibly poor play on my part because I’m usually pretty good with 50/50’s or rather. I’m 100% on them. But something isn’t clicking and I can see either of you being scum and it sucks bur it’s also true so deal.

I’m thinking.

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Two things that bother me.
1. Pooky’s 180 positioning on baltar.
2. Baltar not really factoring I’m scum team’s plan until I pointed out that their perspective is messed up. There isn’t much like ego or a story in their mind.

There are more things that bother me. But I’m going to sleep.

[Bell]

I was also hoping baltar would drown the thread in words, something they seem perfectly capable of doing, but haven’t really. So that’s…probably irrelevant and has to do with their availability nevermind.

[Bell]

Pooky said the scum team was trying to kill VP Baltar by adding him to the defusals repeatedly.
Now he’s just speaking the scum party line that he argued first.

[Bell]

Can you show me where mena 180’d
I got lost.

[Bell]

Yes, yes it would be.

[Bell]

It’s sad I have to say this, but that was not me being informed that this was in fact the case and I am not in fact scum.

[Bell]

Work. Later.

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Andante.
I love you, but please do not try to clear dwlee if BP baltar flips scum or town

[Bell]

My writing has been described as "erudite but casual"

I’m flabbergasted anybody thinks that.

[Bell]

I believe Andante and I also believe that it would be unbelievably poor play to check dwlee after a baltar flip.

[Bell]

VOTE: Heal Andante
VOTE: Heal bell

Just roll with it Dat’s Ty. At work.

[Bell]

I’m at work. I want andante in there.
I want me in there.
I dunno who I want as third.

[Bell]

What happened.

[Bell]

Oh this is a lot better from GL.
I guess I was wrong. But this is what I meant. More Aggro with conclusions.

[Bell]

I still have no idea what’s going on by the way. I took a break today.

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Did you seriously fucking hint what your role was to someone you thought was scum when you could have let them try to blow you up instead or something

Like bro if you're town why would you not just trade for scum there ahhhh

Got town another defusal didn't I?

Nothing is stopping us from. Limming mistyx scum right now

This is not a good argument when the scum literally control who gets picked.

[Bell]

Their in thread/PT behavior was consistent with their claim though.

[Bell]

I’m being trolled.
Mods

[Bell]

I'm definitely thinking Pooky is maf. not gonna lie

[Bell]

I think this is because you either prepared your fake claim way in advance or you’re just what you say you are.
I just don’t know what to say baltar, your reasoning and justifications are difficult to swallow. But i still want to vote dwlee. Just based off of emotions.

[Bell]

No Andante. I’m not being sarcastic. Pooky flipped my “pooky is scum switch”
Like, 20 pages ago but it feels irrelevant when we have dwlee and baltar to choose from rn.

[Bell]

It was at the least consistent with a town perspective.

[Bell]

Work bai.

[Bell]

Are you serious.
Baltar the reason nobody wants to go after mistx right now is because you or dwlee is scum.

[Bell]

It’s probabilistic neglect to kill outside of those two.

[Bell]

Mine

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Sorry. I and Andate murdered Titus because i didn’t have time to sort.

[Bell]

Cephrir, CSF, andante,
Are very likely town to me.

But Titus asked that people suspect Andante for their push against them.

They also hard advocated for a Mistyx murder.

[Bell]

I don’t think Titus was a weird pick since from a certain lense they were obvious town. I just couldn’t let them pass until I was confident and I didn’t have time to be confident.
I ended up picking three town reads though. From baltar review, still in progress.

[Bell]

Anyone else have Baltar associative insights?

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It's all relative enchant.
For me, when I want to be confident about something, I require a lot of time.
You can think of it as having a higher self-standard of what time is.
I just defaulted to the safe choice as a result.

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For me, having time means "reviewing every post this player makes from the beginning of the game with the iso of GL and Baltar included in it"
When you have one player to focus on.

Eh, Pooky knows what I mean. I don't think anyone else in this game would. Think of it as a personal idiosyncrasy.

[Bell]

I'd agree with the "not having time" excuse seeming odd.. I saw no situation in which we should've kept Titus alive.. like what, keep her here just to yeet her today?? it's very odd for scum to just give us Titus like that, means the poe that's mostly agreed upon is likely wrong.. but I'm down with yeeting Mistyx today, also,

Titus was very confident on Mistyx maf

VOTE: Mistyx

this is so incredibly far from true

titus wanted me dead for VCA that was all

No, Titus very much wanted you dead in neighborhood chat.
You were her top priority.

[Bell]

Me?

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summary would be somewhat difficult.

1. General comments made about Baltar flip, confusion, jokes, minor suspicions.
2. I summarize the worst case scenario (GL and Titus are scum).
3. Enchant is for letting Titus live. Andante and I are against.
4. Titus made argument that she was chosen to be killed by scum.
5. Titus says They think Misty and andante are the team.
6. andante foses enchant, misty and Titus as containing the scum team.
7. I start reviewing associatives and come up with that ceph, CSF, Andante, and Dwlee are probably town.
8. I commit and tell Titus I'm not going to let them live.
9. Titus switches to asking us to provide her reads to the thread. Misty first, Andante if Misty flips scum.
10. Andante and Titus argue back and forth about her scum read on Titus.

[Bell]

I blink and I miss this shit.

[Bell]

HEAL: Dwlee
HEAL: GuiltyLion
HEAL: CSF

[Bell]

Ngl. I’m with ceph and Andante on this due to pure momentum.

[Bell]

Momentum is not a good thing in and of itself

I wasn’t saying it was.
If anything it’s just me being intellectually lazy and not wanting to have to deal with this madness and just defaulting to previous patterns. Because I can’t cope.

[Bell]

Ah, mena. Bad cat.
Oog.

@kitty: don’t answer.

[Bell]

I can’t unsee it and don’t know how to move the conversation forward. :/

[Bell]

Ah, mena. Bad cat.
Oog.

If it’s cross posting from scum PT that’s always been a legit thing to point out afaik and not considered as oog influence

If it can be caused by something else then I have no idea what, or if it’s no longer acceptable to point out broken tags due to cross posting then uh *shrug* my bad

I did this once and they flipped town actually it was a convoluted reason. I thought they fixed it though. It’s been brought up in the past, I clearly remember those that could do something about it being informed.

[Bell]

Ah, mena. Bad cat.
Oog.

If it’s cross posting from scum PT that’s always been a legit thing to point out afaik and not considered as oog influence

If it can be caused by something else then I have no idea what, or if it’s no longer acceptable to point out broken tags due to cross posting then uh *shrug* my bad

I did this once and they flipped town actually it was a convoluted reason. I thought they fixed it though. It’s been brought up in the past, I clearly remember those that could do something about it being informed.

Okay I’ll drop it and you can explain postgame

I can’t it was like 5-6 years ago. Something something they stored their posts on a program or something.
And I never checked to see what the fix was.

[Bell]

I was a player called Remembrance before. Took long (4-5 year?) hiatus during undergrad. Returned as bell when covid hit.

[Bell]

My job involves middle schoolers and occasionally bitter divorced parents. I’ve learned that I don’t have time for that kind of game. Just ask again and if they say no, just drop it or consider if it’s a point against them.

[Bell]

I’m living out my ideal life in mafia. in reality I have played phone tag with parents with children in the emergency room because I am a doormat.

[Bell]

What was with the strange matter fake clear? I thought you were claiming detective or tracker.

[Bell]

We hammering misty?
Has misty claimed yet?
When is it a good time to mass claim?

[Bell]

It might clarify set up confusion.

[Bell]

But there's a reason I'm asking and it's because I just never have time to think about it.

[Bell]

Menalque, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Cat Scratch Fever, Cephrir

- group 2 bomb experts

final bomb squad is:

experts:

Bell

Mistyx
GuiltyLion

I feel decent about one scum in each of these groups

You're welcome.

[Bell]

Before killing Misty I want a claim out of them.
I get real upset when people get blind eliminated.

[Bell]

Why do you think it’s csf?

[Bell]

VOTE: Misty

[Bell]

It's unfortunate for this game that GuiltyLion is going to an art festival. I hope he enjoys it though!

But I am devastated he didn't have association takes lined up.

[Bell]

E-1

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100% killing mena today. I can justify some of the moves he made, but all of them points a huge arrow directly at him.

[Bell]

Are there any results or anything we should hear about first?

[Bell]

Yay. I read cephrir as town and they were town. Isn’t that nice.

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I have nothing to say other than it would be lovely if in future you (collective) could address the multiple points on why I don't make sense as scum before limming me, instead of looking at them after the fact and going "oh yeah, he had a point actually"

You defended baltar. You defended misty and appeared to be arguing at a more urgent tone than someone coming off a scum elim would be by pushing other eliminations. It’s just a burden of proficiency. One mistake is fine. Two major ones with obvious intentionality to both I just think, probably scum. It depends on the player.
But you are one where I think it’s valid.
I suppose the fact you didn’t concede points heavily away from you being scum. But I am not negotiating with the past. I wanna be clear you can’t really change my mind here. Just give us who are scum if you have an idea.

[Bell]

Thanks Mena. I missed it.

[Bell]

I have zero issues with your lim pool.

[Bell]

Well except me, it’d be super confusing if the game didn’t end after those two were limmed after you were limmed tho. So I’ll take it.

[Bell]

Pooky just didn’t give much reason. I associate a lack of reasons until mid-late game with their scum game.

[Bell]

Their bussing points away from it though. But I consider them fluffy busses. With pillows for wheels.

[Bell]

I mean, it’s probably just mena and I’m confident that Pooky will defend themselves well regardless of their alignment.
We can discuss it if it matters then and we’re both alive.

[Bell]

Baltar had a tremendous number of associatives and everything up to that point, showed he was a fighter with high activity.
It was not good for the scum team that he didn’t manage 2-miselims to his one.

[Bell]

Sure. @the concede thing. I feel you might be saltier too.

[Bell]

Further arguing with a dead cat: Misty had an ability that secures 3 eliminations and had by far the most powerful role in the scum team, I hope.

[Bell]

idk if bell agrees, but I thought Enchant was scummy in our titus pt… enchant isn’t town

I don’t, but the bar for enchant town is very low and they’re hard to read.
I want Mena though.

Oh, yeah I probably misunderstood their role.
My understanding of their role was that they could blow up a bomb with a team composed entirely of town.

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No, I don’t, because you’ve been consistent with the pooky push and mind meld.
Though I feel like I’m a hungry for affirmation sort of guy and it’s pathetic tbh. Of me, I mean. I think it’s a weakness.

[Bell]

Don’t ad hom me but who have you baby sat?

[Bell]

I just went back and reread their role and it seems to say that they plant a bomb during twilight that always explodes.
So, I think, I understood it correctly unless Datisi meant as an additional night kill. Or something.

[Bell]

Did GL did anything Day one that warranted that protect?

[Bell]

Wouldn’t you have found out if they fake claimed or not when you died?

[Bell]

That’s what I mean. You could have used the baby sit to protect Andre and also crumbed so we could verify the doc. Did you crumb your checks or just your role?

[Bell]

I wish Dunnstral was here, he’s know if I’m making sense or not.

[Bell]

I discovered that I thought babysitters were just bodyguards, but in actuality they work like a doc except if the baby sitter is killed the baby is killed as well.

[Bell]

You could arguably use it to identify town by seeing if nobody died that night.

Also, just a neat thought but what if you were a scum babysitter that could take someone with you if the town blew you up.

[Bell]

But it’s weaker, yeah.

[Bell]

Also, should we be holding off for mass claim or is now a good time to do that?

[Bell]

Dwlee99, pooky, enchant and I haven’t claimed.

Please claim In the following order:

Pooky/Enchant->Enchant/Pooky -> Dwlee99/Bell -> Bell/Dwlee99.

[Bell]

I feel like the only person who would kill Cephrir here is Menalque. Does anyone have a refutation of that?

I don’t.

[Bell]

I claimed VT like 200 pages ago dude

Oh, I’m sorry ol’ chum.

[Bell]

Too wifom for me, not to mention I don't usually read in that deeply to NKs.
I didn't even stop to think if Cephrir dying would hurt Mena's chances. So going that extra step wasn't even there.

[Bell]

Waiting on enchant.

[Bell]

also mena is legit the towniest person here, so I'm not voting mena

K.
I’m going to though and then I’m probably following Mena’s elimination list to the letter if they flip town.
I except for my elim, because, tbh. I can obv town and I already did tbh.
Some of my interactions with baltar clear me. In addition to some of my defenses of players. But eh. Cross that bridge when we get to it as already said.

[Bell]

I don’t really think Andante is good enough scum to fake defensiveness about their decisions.

[Bell]

Later, at work.

[Bell]

Claim please!

[Bell]

I don’t really think Andante is good enough scum to fake defensiveness about their decisions.

I don't understand what this means? scum!Andante in my experience from Holiday Dance was very defensive and prone to AtE

Yeah but not about their decisions. It was just a sort of general defensiveness.

[Bell]

Also who do you think is the last scum enchant?

[Bell]

Nono, we’re doing a mass claim rn. You and I are the only ones that haven’t claimed lol.

[Bell]

Cool. I’m employed by Datisi.

[Bell]

So pretty much all power roles have claimed.

[Bell]

Who is Datisi

Corporate overlord.

[Bell]

Andante expressed disinterest in defusing the bomb given the risk of Titus being scum.
Titus acknowledged this, then disagreed pointing out that they put VPbaltar into a bad position with a claim.(that I still can’t find). Then said they think the team is just misty and andante (no explanation given at this point).
Andante engaged me with about Mistyx, I expressed worry that Baltar had led us into a miselimination of misty. Just due to the wifom there. Andante responded that they(misty) hadn’t done anything townie.
Andante responded to titus’s pairing of them and Mistyx by laughing and saying they were done talking to them.
Andante starts to engage with the reasoning that they wouldn’t let Titus live especially because they hadn’t really Towned it up in game.

Everybody asked Titus for reads and then Titus said:
Andante because they weren’t really engaging with the core of people’s arguments, lacked curiosity, made things more confusing and not less confusing by entering conversations they were involved in and inflamming the them. They also accused andante of tactically lurking, and losing interest in the game when they weren’t suspected. Titus says that she thinks she is going to die because Andante won’t defuse unless forced to by me and Enchant.

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Then andante asked when Titus started to scum read them, as they hadn’t recalled them mentioning it in thread.
Titus asked me to reconsider if Mistyx flipped scum. They felt they were a team. And that andante’s approach to misty was obvious bussing.

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It actually gets more back and forthy from
Basically andante just keeps mocking Titus for their bad read on them.
While suddenly cozying up to enchant trying to get reads out of them. Titus also said they were confident andante could read them, and the fact they hadn’t was suspicious. Andante responded that, there was a lack of logic there.

[Bell]

OI

[Bell]

The heck pooky why you killin the vibe.

[Bell]

Pookythemagicalbear new title proposal: thevibekiller.

[Bell]

5724# hits straight in my amygdala. Well done.

[Bell]

VOTE: Pookythemagicalbear

[Bell]

He’s not going to live to end game. No matter how much effort he puts in.

[Bell]

Want to be clear there.

[Bell]

Kill pooky. It’s clear he has nothing to offer but snark this game.

[Bell]

We can kill Mena later if pooky flips town.
But I want pooky out.

[Bell]

Get dead bear.

[Bell]

Fuckin bears’ messin with my vibes man.

[Bell]

Get dead bear.

I think this is more about me as a person than me as a player

so I will fulfill your request because I no longer find playing in this game enjoyable

VOTE: Pooky

Do not lim Mena the day after me.

actually take the time to play the game out.

I have run out of patience for explaining basic strategy to you guys.

I’m not even going to blink at this.

[Bell]

Let’s go.

[Bell]

Please don’t apologize for having thoughts/fake thoughts mena. Nasty bear is trying to scare people away. But it’s all bullshit. Pooky is a nice bear. He’s just possessed by a mafia ghost.

[Bell]

I’m dead serious about Pooky scum. I’ll reflect after he’s dead, not before.

[Bell]

@everyone plz: vote Pooky.

[Bell]

Bell-Mena have the uncanny ability to be wrong about everything at every stage of this game but still be incredibly convinced they are right because being wrong to them doesn't matter

they are used to being wrong

tommorrow they will be wrong about someone else

but at least I won't have to listen to them yak on about bad bear bad lol

Tantrum or scum.

[Bell]

Probably scum. Keeps flipping the aTe switch on command when he’s suspected. Not really pushing. Said he’d solve later today. But keeps getting all pissy about mena casing him when his trajectory has been clear cut all game.

[Bell]

This just feels like a repeat of Pokémon.
Except Pooky didn’t secure a sircakez this game.

[Bell]

Pooky threw a shit fit.

[Bell]

I filled in the blanks.

[Bell]

You’re either scum or being a baby pick 1.

[Bell]

All right settle down everyone.
Emotions got hot and so on.
But this advantages scum. So if we could keep things non-toxic and cordial, My win con would appreciate it.

[Bell]

Well, this is mildly frustrating.

[Bell]

I still dunno what the story is with Andante and their idiosyncrasies.

[Bell]

Ah, nvm.

[Bell]

Yes CSF is highly suspect. I suspect them. Heavily.

[Bell]

When I die please eliminate CSF because they are the scummiest player I ever did saw.

[Bell]

Should I call 911?

[Bell]

Are you sure? a stroke is a medical emergency you know?

[Bell]

That sounds even worse, it could be a symptom of a gambling addiction. Dwlee, you should get help, hot hands never last.

[Bell]

I’m also scum reading Dwlee btw.

[Bell]

Would it really count if we blew up GL though, because he’s in the pool.
Getting 3 out of 4 of your suspects is a dream come true for this stage of the game.

[Bell]

didnt andante literally claim mech info in favor of strange anyway

thats one of the reasons i'm not voting there

if you have a partner who has done NOTHING. why wouldn't you push there? you want to be ahead of the inevitable wagon to get town cred. have you seen dwlee put that much pressure on anyone else? like, I don't even recall Dwlee being a part of the mala stuff, yet many of yall are like "yeah dwlee did so much!!!" like, no... they really aren't doing much... pushing someone who's doing nothing doesn't even count...

maybe its a theory difference but i personally would be pushing like "yeah mala can die but [townie] should be today's lim"

i think especially with multiple townie options who that could be the case for like me/vp (who i've already established isn't partnered with dwlee) they'd have no reason to bus mala there

Errr what are you confused about?

people keep saying there’s a plan but not saying what it is

ceph if you thought vp scum over dwlee why would you allow the defusal to go through?

same question to pooky/titus if you agree with scum vp

wanna see more from andante titus gl

also want pooky and titus to answer my question

pooky can you answer my question

whats your question

if you think vp is scum why would you risk scum getting to 3/4 defuses by letting another bomb go through

whats your question

if you think vp is scum why would you risk scum getting to 3/4 defuses by letting another bomb go through

cause scum kills aren't going through so they have to try and win the bomb way

are you implying you think it’s pooky/gl?

Mena here has gotten highly suspicious to me, but yes!! GL was the VP partner I was thinking about. Team might just be VP/GL/Mena

in that case then it was three town as the experts for last round though

so that line of argument wrt pooky doesn’t make sense

Mena here has gotten highly suspicious to me, but yes!! GL was the VP partner I was thinking about. Team might just be VP/GL/Mena

in that case then it was three town as the experts for last round though

so that line of argument wrt pooky doesn’t make sense

ok and? town can defuse a mafia... in our bomb chat I was like "only way VP lives is if they buy the "why would I send myself to the top person SRing me" argument...

I’m not saying it’s impossible I’m just saying it doesn’t make sense for scum to nominate GL there without influence unless they were really desperate

like misty what r u even accusing me of rn

do you really think the scum team is pooky/gl/vpb

like um

if it is

how the fuck do you think either pooky or GL get another defusal done?

it’s moreso that i don’t think one of you can be scum without the other

killing titus was correct there

0-2 in [GL/Pooky/Ceph]

which leaves bell dwlee andante enchant csf mena

VOTE: GuiltyLion

if we flip this then pooky/ceph are town and we sort in the rest

i'd rank dwlee > bell > enchant/andante > csf > mena in that group probably

killing titus was correct there

0-2 in [GL/Pooky/Ceph]

which leaves bell dwlee andante enchant csf mena

VOTE: GuiltyLion

if we flip this then pooky/ceph are town and we sort in the rest

i'd rank dwlee > bell > enchant/andante > csf > mena in that group probably

Why GL/Pooky/Ceph over Menalque

moreso risk/reward

when i say 0-2 i mean it's either GL/Pooky, GL/Ceph, or none of them

if gl is town we know scum are only at 2 and can make decisions on the bombs

if gl is scum we know scum are at 3 and can react accordingly

plus we get info on pooky/ceph

Why are Ceph and or Pooky only scum with GL?

scum wouldn't send scum!gl to a group of three town bombers

and scum!pooky/ceph would take the chance to justify an explosion on town!gl

What makes you so confident that pooky/ceph would explode gl if given the chance? Especially because they could set him up to be mislimmed later with this line of thought.

cuz then unless it's exactly pooky/ceph then they just send their other partner in and try to get to 3

it's not a lock but it feels more likely that way

I'd agree with the "not having time" excuse seeming odd.. I saw no situation in which we should've kept Titus alive.. like what, keep her here just to yeet her today?? it's very odd for scum to just give us Titus like that, means the poe that's mostly agreed upon is likely wrong.. but I'm down with yeeting Mistyx today, also,

Titus was very confident on Mistyx maf

VOTE: Mistyx

this is so incredibly far from true

titus wanted me dead for VCA that was all

I'd agree with the "not having time" excuse seeming odd.. I saw no situation in which we should've kept Titus alive.. like what, keep her here just to yeet her today?? it's very odd for scum to just give us Titus like that, means the poe that's mostly agreed upon is likely wrong.. but I'm down with yeeting Mistyx today, also,

Titus was very confident on Mistyx maf

VOTE: Mistyx

this is so incredibly far from true

titus wanted me dead for VCA that was all

Hey... welcome to the pt last night... I am only maf if you are, and titus is 99% sure you are maf!!!

But I also just SR you in general so like it works,

like, town should think about this. maf threw titus in bomb pt cause scum know titus would go boom. why not giive us mistyx? scum was just going for a boom, and we all KNOW mist would go boom, but instead mist has been SRed all game and hasn't been defuser once, I do think this is scum indicative. it would be one think if scum was throwing TRs in to defuse the bomb, but they're not, I think scum is literally confirming Mistyx to be maf based on their defuser choices

yeah bc titus is hard to kill at day and i am incredibly easy to kill during the day

like read vp's iso he kept trying to deflect attention at me because i'm easy to kill

VOTE: CSF

comparing role power think this is more likely a hit

can we just lim misty and let the prot claims sort themselves out tonight? like, we all agree Misty is maf, so we just lim misty. that easy

this is generally a sign that this is what scum want

it’s prob CSF/andante

i think andante getting upset over the strange elim then walking their claim back doesn’t really line up at all

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-scum andante points.

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At work but it’s dead this week due to testing and shortened days.

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Leaves: Enchant, Mena, pooky.

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I forgot GL.

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Minor negative points to scum GL tho.

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Sure okay. Let’s kill pooky and if he doesn’t flip scum then we can kill mena.

Deal?

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Huh? No I knew that scum got to pick defuser. I was directly asking the scum team.

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Mostly to mess with them. But also to imply I was some sort of power role that worked only when defuser.
But also, because I was confident I could talk my way into being allowed to defuse and giving town a point.
Naturally, none of this worked.

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Okay. As long as we eventually kill pooky this game I don’t cares
I’m ready to go but I wanna make this very clear. Unless the game ends early. It’s pooky.

[Bell]

Lead the way CSF.

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Sorry, need to reword. I want a guarantee. That pooky eventually gets eliminated this game. It can be now or end game. But at some point people need to vote him until he is eliminated. Got it?

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It's the AtE. He only goes low like this when he's scum. He's fun otherwise. The sudden severe and unwarranted negativity and criticism is uniquely pooky scum.

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I mean, the request wasn’t to you anyway csf. You’ll be dead.

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Oh. Yeah that’s a meltdown all right and he was town there? He was more conducive at the beginning of the game.

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Rather, he was protown until meltdown. But eh, apples/oranges.
I dunno. He’s meltdowning a lot recently I guess then.
That’s…hmm.

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If pooky is scum, then I may not be

I was thinking that, but I wasn’t gunna say it.

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I suppose I just have to re-examine.
I just disagree with Titus here. I think Andante is town. /:even though I feel strangely compelled to sheep there after reading their posts.
Well, it’s not that strange. I’ve done this with Titus before with varying levels of success.

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if i was like scum

i wouldve shot you like days ago

Got protected N2. I think by Andres. But like, eh. I c wut u tried 2 do there. As either alignment/you weren’t paying attention.

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Reviewed.
It’s down to pooky or enchant imo.

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Yea and Strange is scum

Excellent point. Let me know who you want me to vote and when!

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VOTE: Mena

Sure!

Also, just keep listening to everybody else on my alignment, because they're right.

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VOTE: Pookythemagicalbear

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It’s not Dwlee. Posts are too natural.
It’s not CSF. There are too many posts.

Sanity checked’d.

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Guiltylion.

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actually Bell why do your reads this game suck so bad

Wut do you mean why do my reads suck so bad. They always suck.

I have a good argument for why it isn’t me this game tho. But please proceed.

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Oh. I was also right on dunnstral being scum, and andante being scum and enchant being scum in that game.
I really knocked it out of the park on that one.

Huh? Why are you asking me that? It’s because I try even though I know I’m probably wrong.

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I feel like you’ve already made this point with Mena that they were wrong about everything and therefore must be scum I also think I made that argument before they started to town it up and I reversed course on them.

I’m not sure what to say on the selective quoting. I started to give a altar a hard time and there are plenty of negative associative with me and them. You even noted that I was likely town because I shat on Baltar’s read wall.

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I just remember you being right on Datisi/Cephrir at the end

That’s good. It’s less embarrassing that way.

[Bell]

You know you’re town, do you?