Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[MonkeyMan576]

@SCP why not vote on one of the leading wagons, do you think they are both town?

I have significantly higher confidence in the wagons I want to push specifically.

And they already have the pressure there -> I have no issue pressuring the low posters I think are solidly in scum meta.

You don't think players that have been playing the game for a week might have more insight than you? What makes you so confident?

I have a fresh perspective on the game. I also am very good at reading through things quickly.

I power ISO'd the players I have confident reads on currently. I also ISO'd the current leading wagon and found them mostly null.

What do you think about your predecessor?

[MonkeyMan576]

@SCP why not vote on one of the leading wagons, do you think they are both town?

I have significantly higher confidence in the wagons I want to push specifically.

And they already have the pressure there -> I have no issue pressuring the low posters I think are solidly in scum meta.

You don't think players that have been playing the game for a week might have more insight than you? What makes you so confident?

I have a fresh perspective on the game. I also am very good at reading through things quickly.

I power ISO'd the players I have confident reads on currently. I also ISO'd the current leading wagon and found them mostly null.

What do you think about your predecessor?

I think their townreads were generally accurate. I trust pooky on that front.

I gave his scumreads a consideration but I don't quite agree with all of them, cant remember if i agree with any.

So you made your reads mostly on your own analysis without considering anyone else's opinions?

[MonkeyMan576]

Catboi seems like he's trying to get us to forget the gamestate reasons for scumreading him by hyper posting and trying to look town. He is still scum imo.

This is exactly how NPOM/MonkeyMan talks when he is town. He throws things out that are completely true like this, but his awkward posting style makes people not follow him/agree with him/scumread him.

You're posting style has a way of drawing attention as well.

[MonkeyMan576]

I probably used my contraction wrong, forgive me. Sometimes I type before I think.

[MonkeyMan576]

Anyways, I know I am autistic/awkward so it doesn't really bother me what people think about it.

[MonkeyMan576]

Cat's are evil and plotting world domination, so it wouldn't surprise me.

[MonkeyMan576]

@SCP Would love to hear some more insight into the discussion between you and FL.

[MonkeyMan576]

@Flavor were you reading townreading TB?

[MonkeyMan576]

I agree with FL, lot's of opinions on the cat, like we needed another reason to flip them.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yep, your opinion is noted, but the catboi wagon is the most pro town.

[MonkeyMan576]

Regardless of whether you/Klick are scum together or not, I think that you presented an invalid reason for why you/Klick cannot be scum together, claiming my theory to be dumb as a result.

On an unrelated note, I didn’t like the implication that if Klick were your scumbuddy he wouldn’t have the autonomy to do something like vote for you without it being your command, but that’s just a separate pet peeve sort of thing.

To elaborate: it is not just "lol scum RVS distancing" (though that tell is

so old

it can probably legally buy alcohol and is almost never accurate) but that klick made a serious effort tostart a wagon on me and made a case on me to the point it would amount to an intentional throw if scum

the way you are talking about this feels more like you just

want

it to be true rather than whether you've considered if it's

likely

I don't think this is as clearing as you're making it out to be tbh

i just tend to get annoyed when people suggest really dumb theories

Meaning, he gets annoyed when scumread as scum.

[MonkeyMan576]

Regardless of whether you/Klick are scum together or not, I think that you presented an invalid reason for why you/Klick cannot be scum together, claiming my theory to be dumb as a result.

On an unrelated note, I didn’t like the implication that if Klick were your scumbuddy he wouldn’t have the autonomy to do something like vote for you without it being your command, but that’s just a separate pet peeve sort of thing.

To elaborate: it is not just "lol scum RVS distancing" (though that tell is

so old

it can probably legally buy alcohol and is almost never accurate) but that klick made a serious effort tostart a wagon on me and made a case on me to the point it would amount to an intentional throw if scum

the way you are talking about this feels more like you just

want

it to be true rather than whether you've considered if it's

likely

I don't think this is as clearing as you're making it out to be tbh

i just tend to get annoyed when people suggest really dumb theories

Meaning, he gets annoyed when scumread as scum.

where as town, I love being scumread!

noted.

[MonkeyMan576]

Basically:
1: We have a week until deadline
2: I am catching up
3: A fair amount of the strength in my catboi townread comes from content later in my catchup
4: catboi is the main wagon right now
5: I am not defending catboi
6: Wallflower is insinuating that because of point #4, point #5 makes me suspect.
7: I am rebuking that point by demonstrating that, thanks to point #1, there is no need for a catboi elimination to be pushed through
8: If a catboi elimination is not pushed through while I am catching up, there was no need for me to defend him, since I can defend him after the catchup or later during it
9: If a catboi elimination IS pushed through while I am catching up, then it is the players involved that are to blame, not me, because of points 2, 3, and 8.

I'm not sure how else to explain this.

You're acting like you know catboi would flip town.

[MonkeyMan576]

Basically:
1: We have a week until deadline
2: I am catching up
3: A fair amount of the strength in my catboi townread comes from content later in my catchup
4: catboi is the main wagon right now
5: I am not defending catboi
6: Wallflower is insinuating that because of point #4, point #5 makes me suspect.
7: I am rebuking that point by demonstrating that, thanks to point #1, there is no need for a catboi elimination to be pushed through
8: If a catboi elimination is not pushed through while I am catching up, there was no need for me to defend him, since I can defend him after the catchup or later during it
9: If a catboi elimination IS pushed through while I am catching up, then it is the players involved that are to blame, not me, because of points 2, 3, and 8.

I'm not sure how else to explain this.

You're acting like you know catboi would flip town.

You realize that's actually impossible for anyone to know for sure, right?

Of course, I said how she's acting.

[MonkeyMan576]

Seems odd to be confident when you are one of the lowest posters in the game.

[MonkeyMan576]

What does post count have to do with confidence?

I don't know, maybe because I develop reads by actually interacting with people, not by sitting back and watching everyone else do the work. But maybe that's just me.

[MonkeyMan576]

What does post count have to do with confidence?

I don't know, maybe because I develop reads by actually interacting with people, not by sitting back and watching everyone else do the work. But maybe that's just me.

You can't assume everyone plays the game like you.

No, but it is scummy to continuously lurk, so I take her reads as far as I can throw them.

[MonkeyMan576]

What does post count have to do with confidence?

I don't know, maybe because I develop reads by actually interacting with people, not by sitting back and watching everyone else do the work. But maybe that's just me.

You can't assume everyone plays the game like you.

No, but it is scummy to continuously lurk, so I take her reads as far as I can throw them.

You say that but you oppose the Nashville wagon?

Yeah, because I think you and/or Wallflower are scum and most other wagons are more than likely to flip town than not.

[MonkeyMan576]

What does post count have to do with confidence?

I don't know, maybe because I develop reads by actually interacting with people, not by sitting back and watching everyone else do the work. But maybe that's just me.

You can't assume everyone plays the game like you.

No, but it is scummy to continuously lurk, so I take her reads as far as I can throw them.

You say that but you oppose the Nashville wagon?

Yeah, because I think you and/or Wallflower are scum and most other wagons are more than likely to flip town than not.

1. What does my alignment have to do with ND's alignment?
2. Why are you sure "most other" wagons are likely town when there's 9 scum? Do you believe there's a significant number of scum who haven't been wagoned?

I'm sure there are, but there are also a lot more town than scum by game setup numbers.

[MonkeyMan576]

13:9 is not "a lot more" by any stretch of the imagination. Even if you could argue the malefactor counts as a bad elim, that's still hardly "a lot". Are me/wallflower your only two scumreads?

You're the only two that I'm confident enough in wanting to eliminate today.

[MonkeyMan576]

13:9 is not "a lot more" by any stretch of the imagination. Even if you could argue the malefactor counts as a bad elim, that's still hardly "a lot". Are me/wallflower your only two scumreads?

You're the only two that I'm confident enough in wanting to eliminate today.

I get me being your most confident read but that feels like an incredibly narrow focus on your part.

Not really, I have other reads, I just don't want to eliminate them(except Wallflower)

[MonkeyMan576]

It's much better to eliminate someone you actually think is scum than someone who might be scum just to get an elimination through.

[MonkeyMan576]

Menalque, Meg, Klick, I would say Mastina, butterchurn, and Nashville Dreams are third tier.

[MonkeyMan576]

Mastina is town because she’s actually reading current events

Anyone who reads is town?!?!?

[MonkeyMan576]

You know you aren't going to flip Nashville so let's just flip Catboi and get it over with already.

[MonkeyMan576]

Maybe the cat is scum

[MonkeyMan576]

Does Pooky have a history of replacing out as scum?

[MonkeyMan576]

Why not it's part of the game record.

[MonkeyMan576]

I think you both need a timout.

[MonkeyMan576]

Why not it's part of the game record.

Because its out of game influence for one, secondly most assumptions are wrong, thirdly a slot can replace for any reason and looking for consistency/alignment information from an active slot that decided to use a Clicker is like thinking the Clicker is a good item to start with.

This sounds like a reason to give a scummy replace out a free pass.

[MonkeyMan576]

Day 1 is always a bit of a cluster$D%! so it's not always good to put too much stock into what any one person says.

[MonkeyMan576]

Is it just me or does wallflower sound like an amatuer psychologist?

[MonkeyMan576]

Heck yes! Catboi elimi is the best! Heck yes! Catboi elim is the best!

[MonkeyMan576]

mastina could be considered for day 2 to see if scum kill her night 1.

[MonkeyMan576]

Do we really think scum are going to kill on N1? I still think the optimal scum strategy is to wait for more claims.

[MonkeyMan576]

Do we really think scum are going to kill on N1? I still think the optimal scum strategy is to wait for more claims.

Probably more reason to Elim the Beloved Princess then, no?

If she is the beloved princess.

[MonkeyMan576]

SoD is actually an alt of DrippingGoofball, you heard it here first.

[MonkeyMan576]

Wow, appeal to emotion much, Catboi?

I am definatley not moving my vote of him the rest of the day.

[MonkeyMan576]

The thing is, scum have much more to lose by being eliminated than town, since there are only 4 on their team(unless Melefactor) compared to 13 town, I think. So catboi "losing his cool", as you say, compared to say, Nashville Dreams, points to scum-Catboi and town-ND, in my opinion. So please more votes on catboi.

[MonkeyMan576]

If anyone has coasted it's you tictac.

[MonkeyMan576]

All roads lead to catboi today.

[MonkeyMan576]

Is there anyone who thinks the VCs are misleading? I don't want to spend time on the wagon analysis only to then have people say shit is misleading when I have an hour a day tops.

~Titus

I don't think VCs are all that helpful on D1, they're more useful later after some flips.

[MonkeyMan576]

oof i just got to the point i know who the gator is now

fuck me

lol it took you that long?

[MonkeyMan576]

oof i just got to the point i know who the gator is now

fuck me

lol it took you that long?

I haven't caught up, but now i am in the process of trying to get caught up on the other 50 ish pages.

as for alts; i really, REALLY, DISLIKE ALT ACCS FOR THIS REASON ALONE

FL is an expection bc i know him so

It's a part of mafiascum life though so we have to deal the hand we're dealt.

[MonkeyMan576]

I think it's more that we don't want to force claims out without a good reason.

[MonkeyMan576]

Is there anyone who thinks the VCs are misleading? I don't want to spend time on the wagon analysis only to then have people say shit is misleading when I have an hour a day tops.

~Titus

I don't think VCs are all that helpful on D1, they're more useful later after some flips.

Its also multiball so theres several variables we cant even see

Is there anyone who thinks the VCs are misleading? I don't want to spend time on the wagon analysis only to then have people say shit is misleading when I have an hour a day tops.

~Titus

they completely miss the like 8-9 vote bnuuy wagon bc ceph wasn't online, I'd include that too if you're trying to do wagonomics

True votes get stronger later but there's still theorycrafting when I can't catch up.

When was the bnuuy wagon?

A long time ago in a galaxy far far away...

[MonkeyMan576]

I am not impressed with the people on the Dreamy wagon.

[MonkeyMan576]

Nashville would flip town in my opinion.

[MonkeyMan576]

Wallflower was still one of the wagons at the time the bnuuy wagon happened.

[MonkeyMan576]

I am not liking cassowary ftr. First he is on the Nashville wagon and now he's willing to hop over to a bnuuy wagon, pun intended.

[MonkeyMan576]

eh I think cass might be town after looking at iso actually

maybe they go into the not kill-able pile for today

This would make sense coming from you.

[MonkeyMan576]

bnuuy is town. Nashville is town.

[MonkeyMan576]

Which wagon argument, that there are scummy people on Nashville's wagon? What's been disproven about it?

[MonkeyMan576]

I could go for bnuuy elimination today as well

nice do it please

Yeah ok

VOTE: bnuuy

I am not liking cassowary ftr. First he is on the Nashville wagon and now he's willing to hop over to a bnuuy wagon, pun intended.

(she)

I mean, I'd rather get rid of someone than have a no-elimination, and I think ND and bnuuy both look kinda sus, what's the issue?

The fact that you're willing to elim someone just to elim is sus first of all. I don't think you really think they look sus except that they have had wagons against them.

[MonkeyMan576]

Which wagon argument, that there are scummy people on Nashville's wagon? What's been disproven about it?

The argument basically was that too many people support the elimination for it to be scum. Which is ridiculous as you could make that argument for any elimination that goes through in a game this large. He'll probably say it again about bnuuy if that wagon continues to gain traction.

Okay that makes sense. Yeah that is obv a fallacy.

[MonkeyMan576]

The fact that you're willing to elim someone just to elim is sus first of all.

actually at this point it's v protown so long as it's not on an actual TR

hard disagree.

[MonkeyMan576]

it’s also weird to contextualize norwee/catboi’s back and forth as teamed tbqh given that grudges were drawn into it

you don’t really fake stuff like that

passing thought

Even if catboi is town, there are too many people on the record on him to ignore him as todays elimination. But he's probably not town.

[MonkeyMan576]

there are too many people on the record on him to ignore him as todays elimination

lolwhut

If we flip him, we know his alignment. Then we can look back to what other people said or voted to discern their alignment.

[MonkeyMan576]

it’s also weird to contextualize norwee/catboi’s back and forth as teamed tbqh given that grudges were drawn into it

you don’t really fake stuff like that

passing thought

Even if catboi is town, there are too many people on the record on him to ignore him as todays elimination. But he's probably not town.

i can ignore it by simply voting elsewhere

~

known as i am to divine ate and all that i do feel that the nature of why catboi got upset makes more sense as town than to think the cat decided to fake a joker moment and lower his mafia moral scruples for this game

maybe he did but it’s enough to not make him a priority to vote today

it's not just the ate that makes him guilty, that's just one of many things the other main thing is the bnuuy wagon that went from 0 to 60 in 2 minutes that looked like it was trying to save catboi.

[MonkeyMan576]

went from 0 to 60 in 2 minutes that looked like it was trying to save catboi

part of the reason it went 0-60 was FL deliberately sabotaging it to get people back onto catboi so

not sure that holds up

It does from where I am standing.

[MonkeyMan576]

To me odds are far greater on Catboi being scum than bnuuy being scum, and that's just the way the cookie crumbles. Catboi gets a free pass wheras this is like the 20th time people are trying to elim bnuuy, but he's still standing.

[MonkeyMan576]

Even if it's possible that catboi is town, there's going to be the possibility that he's scum and can we really trust his gamesolving?

[MonkeyMan576]

Even if it's possible that catboi is town, there's going to be the possibility that he's scum and can we really trust his gamesolving?

again isn't this true of everyone who is not yourself

You don't think there's a possibility catboi is scum?

[MonkeyMan576]

Even if it's possible that catboi is town, there's going to be the possibility that he's scum and can we really trust his gamesolving?

again isn't this true of everyone who is not yourself

You don't think there's a possibility catboi is scum?

Oh he totally could be! But "even if it's possible they're town, there's the possibility they're scum" applies to every single person in the game on day 1, it's not a reason to eliminate catboi today over anyone else.

There's like 50 good reasons to eliminate catboi.

[MonkeyMan576]

Even if it's possible that catboi is town, there's going to be the possibility that he's scum and can we really trust his gamesolving?

again isn't this true of everyone who is not yourself

You don't think there's a possibility catboi is scum?

Oh he totally could be! But "even if it's possible they're town, there's the possibility they're scum" applies to every single person in the game on day 1, it's not a reason to eliminate catboi today over anyone else.

There's like 50 good reasons to eliminate catboi.

Okay well at least 23.46.

I REQUEST FULL LIST OF 50 REASONS OR YOU LUAR

[MonkeyMan576]

going for a lurker elim would be lazy af.

[MonkeyMan576]

Who me?

[MonkeyMan576]

It won't happen bnuuy me and FL are all town.

[MonkeyMan576]

Townblocking seems like a way to try to get a vote through without making a good argument.

[MonkeyMan576]

Nevermind that we don't know TB's motives for replacing out.

[MonkeyMan576]

Nevermind that we don't know TB's motives for replacing out.

he’s crazy but free

My point is that I'm not sure a replaceout slot is the best person to be leading a so called townblock.

[MonkeyMan576]

yeah they don't seem that towny to me.

And I hate cats, I'm a dog person.

[MonkeyMan576]

joining the "townblock" is a quick way to eliming town imo.

[MonkeyMan576]

Maybe we could get our own block with SoD, Nashville and a few others.

[MonkeyMan576]

joining the "townblock" is a quick way to eliming town imo.

npom no offense but as much as i find you easy to find as town that doesnt extend to my faith in your d1 reads that dont include solid reasoning

There's not a lot of solid reasoning on day 1, usually.

[MonkeyMan576]

blank boy

You've been asked politely to stop. You've been asked firmly to stop. Other people have additionally asked you to stop. You are being a child, throwing a temper tantrum when he doesn't get his way. Stop it.

I am in a manic phase. you have not seen the level of tantrum i will throw

I can definately see you're holding back, lol.

I am not going to vote someone just to get a vote through. A no elim is better than a town elim.

[MonkeyMan576]

Maybe mafia is his therapy.

[MonkeyMan576]

I just realized FL must be getting about an hour of sleep a night, based on his posting tendancies.

[MonkeyMan576]

I might consider voting Tictac but I’d really prefer catboi or wallflower.

[MonkeyMan576]

100 MonkeyMan576
95 bnuuy
95 Flavor Leaf
90 Sword of Ducks
75 The Keeper
70 Well Done (Dunnstral & Lukewarm)
70 Nashville Dreams (Titus & Malakittens)
65 MalcolmTucker
65 SCP 682
62 Ydrasse
60 mastina
55 Cat Scratch Fever
50 Save The Dragons
45 Toogeloo

43 Enchant
42 butterchurn
40 Klick
35 cassowary
35 tictac
35 Menalque
25 MegAzumarill
20 Nero Cain
5 catboi

100 = towniest 0 = scummiest

[MonkeyMan576]

VOTE: tictac

[MonkeyMan576]

VOTE: catboi

Would prefer not to have a bunch of late day one claims.

[MonkeyMan576]

VOTE: catboi

Would prefer not to have a bunch of late day one claims.

weird bc
a) tictac claimed unprompted
b) the pressure was to get more game related content under duress, not to force a claim
c) catboi hasn't claimed either so do you think toog is town then?

I wouldn't say I think toog is town, but he could be town.

[MonkeyMan576]

somethings only dead if we say it's dead.

[MonkeyMan576]

VOTE: catboi

Would prefer not to have a bunch of late day one claims.

weird bc
a) tictac claimed unprompted
b) the pressure was to get more game related content under duress, not to force a claim
c) catboi hasn't claimed either so do you think toog is town then?

I wouldn't say I think toog is town, but he could be town.

and catboi can't be town?
can you point out the points that make it so catboi cannot be town?

i think toog could be town obviously but when scum are playing the "don't do things I do as town" scumplay I can only go and point at the absence of said behavior. It is, however highly reliable.

I strongly believe catboi to be scum, yes.

The buuny wagon. Constant AtE. Enough for me on day 1. I don't think catboi is as indespensible as everyone else does, I guess.

[MonkeyMan576]

How does using ate make you town? The buuny wagon was obviously trying to protect catboi or wallflower, the two leading wagons at the time. That points to scum-catboi or scum-wallflower.

[MonkeyMan576]

I didn't say I'm totally unwilling to vote toog. I just don't think it's a good idea and I think the less claims the better.

@The Keeper if you seriously claiing Innocent Child then why wouldn't we eliminate enchant?

[MonkeyMan576]

What, you getting counterclaimed?

[MonkeyMan576]

I didn't say I'm totally unwilling to vote toog. I just don't think it's a good idea and I think the less claims the better.

@The Keeper if you seriously claiing Innocent Child then why wouldn't we eliminate enchant?

I think your joke detector is broken.

It's possible, I am on the spectrum.

[MonkeyMan576]

Like I said I just don’t want a mad rush of wagons.

[MonkeyMan576]

Who specifically.

[MonkeyMan576]

So you’re saying sod is truth telling isn’t that against the rules?

[MonkeyMan576]

Ok

[MonkeyMan576]

Rude much?

[MonkeyMan576]

Rude much?

[MonkeyMan576]

Sorry for he double post

[MonkeyMan576]

Why the need to personally attack people that aren’t attacking you?

I have a bachelors degree which I’m sure is a lot more than a lot of people here.

[MonkeyMan576]

I think you’re trying to discredit me and it won’t work. Funny how you always show up when there are votes on you.

[MonkeyMan576]

Catboi is the Donald Trump of mafia scum where he digs his grave by opening his mouth.

[MonkeyMan576]

What is enchanted thing?

[MonkeyMan576]

Do we really want that?

[MonkeyMan576]

Beware of who you take advice from.

[MonkeyMan576]

FL my problem with you is you feel extremely Manipulative Luke you are playing for persuasion

I think that’s nai.

[MonkeyMan576]

Why the need to personally attack people that aren’t attacking you?

I have a bachelors degree which I’m sure is a lot more than a lot of people here.

And? I'm sure Bumbo thinks about as much of it as I do here - and that it's worthless in this game.

And yeah, you're massively more educated than me - I'm the equivalent of a high school drop out - but I can recognise a joke at least, and I'm autistic too before you pull that one. So get off your high horse before you fall off it.

I’m not comparing myself to anyone I’m just saying I’m not dumb.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yay page 200

[MonkeyMan576]

I don’t get why everyone is in a rush to end the day.

[MonkeyMan576]

Obviously we need to elim catboi or decide not to push him the rest of the game or he will potty mouth anyone who suspects him.

[MonkeyMan576]

Nah. I don’t like the wagon. A lot of good info still happening.

[MonkeyMan576]

I would need some convincing as to why he will flip scum and not town.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yeah including me.

[MonkeyMan576]

Claiming or does nothing in a role madness game

[MonkeyMan576]

Power role sorry.

[MonkeyMan576]

Feel bad for catboi replacement

[MonkeyMan576]

I’m not worth a mention I guess.

[MonkeyMan576]

Something just seems off with the way people had such strong opinions about the other options.

[MonkeyMan576]

SCP 682, Ydrasse,

Menalque

,

butterchurn

, tictac,

catboi

, mastina,

cassowary

,

Klick

, Sword of Ducks, Save The Dragons, bunny

[MonkeyMan576]

Everyone who we run up is either monk, mason, or town investigative, or some other power role

Except for bnuuy

This is a surprise? Not at all.

[MonkeyMan576]

Sword of Ducks is also VT evidently.

[MonkeyMan576]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[MonkeyMan576]

So mafia killed werewolf-catboi. Interesting.

[MonkeyMan576]

We need to elim Flavor Leaf. Trust me.

[MonkeyMan576]

I do feel bad that RCEnigma never got to play though. Kudos for replacing in.

[MonkeyMan576]

We need to elim Flavor Leaf. Trust me.

u need to fullcliam the info before i lim FL

yes he can be mafia due to catboi flip but as someone who has caught a scum im willing to give it a pass unless u have mech info

I don't need to fullclaim. Would I really turn on someone who was pocketing me without evidence?

[MonkeyMan576]

Okay I'm a one shot gunsmith.

[MonkeyMan576]

because I had a feeling I was being pocketed and I was right. FL can claim whatever he wants he's still bad.

[MonkeyMan576]

What's it called when you keep scum alive and make them do what you want? We could do that.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yeah in what world does FL actually roll Vig compared to him just being mafia? I would say not very plausible.

[MonkeyMan576]

Is there any way STD is mafia with FL?

[MonkeyMan576]

There's not even gauranteed to be a vig in the game.

[MonkeyMan576]

There was a gunsmith but no vig in the first game, for the record.

[MonkeyMan576]

There was a gunsmith but no vig in the first game, for the record.

cabd hydra was a vig

My mistake.

[MonkeyMan576]

Okay I'm a one shot gunsmith.

Plz confirm this is not a joke

Not a joke. You can't live in a world with FL being scum?

[MonkeyMan576]

Checking FL doesn't solve anything unless you think I'm lying.

[MonkeyMan576]

Much better to use resources elswewhere if they are actually town.

[MonkeyMan576]

We can get to day three without any more claims if we play this right.

[MonkeyMan576]

Then day 3 we elim Mastina because the longer she is alive the more likely she is scum. *Just thinking out loud in my head*

[MonkeyMan576]

Don't be stupid. We know FL has a gun, it's just weather or not he's vig or mafia. It's 90% mafia 10% vig 0% town.

[MonkeyMan576]

Well, I can be checked by the other "gunsmith".

[MonkeyMan576]

Also, if FL flips town, I give you permission to elim me.

[MonkeyMan576]

Malefactor doesn't have a gun.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yeah, sure SCP knows how my brain works.

[MonkeyMan576]

Malefactor doesn't have a gun.

How do you know that?

My role pm says so.

[MonkeyMan576]

Unless it is a Malefactor Cop or something wierd like that.

[MonkeyMan576]

Nope, i am just town gunsmith.

[MonkeyMan576]

I am a little insulted that SCP thinks I am not smart enough to check FL.

[MonkeyMan576]

I don't know, I didn't watch Twilight.

[MonkeyMan576]

By the way, I did breadcrumb if that makes a difference.

[MonkeyMan576]

Now that we know catboi was werewolf, we can look at the people that kept on jumping on and then off his wagons yesterday.

votecount 1.7

catboi (7) | Wallflower, tictac, Tracer Bullet, Flavor Leaf, NorwegianboyEE, MegAzumarill, Toogeloo

Wallflower (4) | Save The Dragons, catboi, MalcolmTucker, MonkeyMan576

MonkeyMan576 (3) | Nashville Dreams, cassowary, bnuuy, butterchurn

Tracer Bullet (1) | Menalque
Klick (1) | MalcolmTucker
Save The Dragons (1) | The Keeper
Menalque (1) | Well Done
mastina (1) | Klick
MegAzumarill (1) | Cat Scratch Fever

Not Voting | Enchant, mastina, Sword of Ducks

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-05-09 09:41:00).

votecount 1.10

Nashville Dreams (5) | NorwegianboyEE, Wallflower, butterchurn, Save The Dragons, Cat Scratch Fever

catboi (4) | Tracer Bullet, MegAzumarill, Toogeloo, MonkeyMan576

MonkeyMan576 (3) | Nashville Dreams, cassowary, bnuuy

bnuuy (2) | Menalque, catboi

Wallflower (1) | MalcolmTucker
Tracer Bullet (1) | tictac
Save The Dragons (1) | The Keeper
Flavor Leaf (1) | Well Done
Well Done (1) | Sword of Ducks
mastina (1) | Flavor Leaf

Not Voting | Enchant, mastina, Klick

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-05-09 09:41:00).

votecount 1.14

catboi (6) | MegAzumarill, MonkeyMan576, Flavor Leaf, tictac, Wallflower, Toogeloo

Nashville Dreams (5) | NorwegianboyEE, butterchurn, Save The Dragons, Cat Scratch Fever, Well Done

MonkeyMan576 (3) | Nashville Dreams, cassowary, bnuuy

tictac (2) | catboi, Menalque

Flavor Leaf (1) | Klick
Save The Dragons (1) | The Keeper
Well Done (1) | Sword of Ducks
The Keeper (1) | MalcolmTucker
Wallflower (1) | SCP 682

Not Voting | Enchant, mastina

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-05-09 09:41:00).

votecount 1.15

Nashville Dreams (7) | NorwegianboyEE, butterchurn, Save The Dragons, Well Done, catboi, Toogeloo, Cat Scratch Fever

catboi (4) | MonkeyMan576, Flavor Leaf, tictac, Wallflower

MonkeyMan576 (3) | Nashville Dreams, cassowary, bnuuy

tictac (1) | Menalque
Save The Dragons (1) | The Keeper
Well Done (1) | Sword of Ducks
The Keeper (1) | MalcolmTucker
Toogeloo (1) | Klick
Enchant (1) | SCP 682

Not Voting | Enchant, mastina, MegAzumarill

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-05-09 09:41:00).

[MonkeyMan576]

Players that moved off the catboi wagon(couldn't find the bunny wagon):

1.7-1.10: Wallflower, tictac, Tracer Bullet, Flavor Leaf, NorweiganboyEE

1.14-1.15: MegAzumarill

[MonkeyMan576]

I was declaring that I have a gun.

[MonkeyMan576]

Can the gunsmith claimers answer if their role works against the werewolf faction or only mafia

Not werewolf, no.

[MonkeyMan576]

By the way, I was just listening to "He's A Pirate" from Pirates of the Carribean so that's ironic that you showed up.

[MonkeyMan576]

So FL in our monastery claimed to be in a masonry - it is entirely possible he is a malefactor here and the play lines up with that theory - so I will likely be ignoring the slot going forward unless they deliver a scum.
They also contradicted their claim of 3 hoods at the start saying he does not have another hood.

If they try to claim anything more than that what is claimed from them - do not counterclaim it.


I believe their push to go for active posters who, I am currently townreading, is actively trying to push scum agenda but I am not sure as its day 1 and I could be wrong but I wanted to float the theory so people don't just let this happen and are not aware of the potential variables in play here.

I think I am now more comfortable with a Nashville wagon -> however I want them to come back and post before I commit.

I am mainly otherwise looking at : butterchurn, bunny, klick, tictac

btw @Malcom, how do you feel about tictac wolf?

I find it hugely suspicious that here, SCP claims that FL is a likely malefactor, but when I have a guilty result they outright dismiss it and try to discredit me.

[MonkeyMan576]

time will prove me right.

[MonkeyMan576]

True, if anything I counterclaimed him, even though I didn't know it.

[MonkeyMan576]

them, what have you.

[MonkeyMan576]

So, for those of you not voting flavor leaf, your working theory is a) both scum teams didn't kill last night and b) FL just happened to roll vig?

[MonkeyMan576]

It's a low possibility.

[MonkeyMan576]

Because that's exactly what he would do if he was mafia.

[MonkeyMan576]

It's not more plausible because there are 4 chances for him to roll mafia. There is also the possibility there is no town vig. You are ignoring the actual odds.

[MonkeyMan576]

That's convenient. Odds of rolling a particular role are not silly and random.

[MonkeyMan576]

According to you. Maybe I'm smarter than you are.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm not refusing to acknowledge the possibility of Town-FL. It's just a low possibility and the equity of eliminating scum FL is much more worthwhile.

[MonkeyMan576]

Besides that I breadcrumbed on the first page.

[MonkeyMan576]

FL always gets full benefit of the doubt in any game he plays in so in no way did I think it would be easy.

[MonkeyMan576]

What other guilty?

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm not ignoring the possibility. The possibility exists. It's just a low possibility based on the odds and that that is what scum-FL would do.

[MonkeyMan576]

For someone that refused to vote catboi you have a lot of opinions on Town-FL, SCP.

[MonkeyMan576]

Probably.

[MonkeyMan576]

Of course he can when scum designate them as their shooter.

[MonkeyMan576]

Besides that I breadcrumbed on the first page.

Where?

My first letter, first post.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yep, everything is a coincidence.

[MonkeyMan576]

SCP 682 is scum.

[MonkeyMan576]

If you say so, but they are not helping town, at the least.

[MonkeyMan576]

I have a gun, I'm not malefoactor. I can be checked.

[MonkeyMan576]

So you're willing to believe scum-rolecop-me but you're not willing to believe scum-FL?

[MonkeyMan576]

That wasn't a stretch, catboi was screaming scum.

[MonkeyMan576]

Evidently FL having catboi as a scumread gives him some type of town cred but you have no faith that I would have the ability to check FL. I in fact did breadcrumb. And you didn't want to vote catboi yourself. Your town equity is extremly low, SCP.

[MonkeyMan576]

Or...FL is mafia, I am town gunsmith which is the actual truth. You are way too invested in this, and you offered nothing in the way of helping town day one voting wise.*shrug*

[MonkeyMan576]

That doesn't prove anything. He could do that as mafia.

[MonkeyMan576]

I have a guilty. Why wouldn't I push for them to be eliminated?

The more you push for Town-FL the more likely he is to be scum, to be frank, based on your voting history.

[MonkeyMan576]

Bookie - player pms mod that a certain role will be eliminated the next day, if they are right they gain vig powers the next night.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yeah that would be too logical.

[MonkeyMan576]

haha. I appreciate your belevolence.

[MonkeyMan576]

I breadcrumbed, so you didn't really claim first.

[MonkeyMan576]

No one ever thinks FL is mafia. He has an eternal free pass and if gets to the end game as scum he will surely make us pay for it.

[MonkeyMan576]

The fewer wagons the better at this point in my opinion. No reason to force town claims out if we have two likely guilties.

[MonkeyMan576]

If we go through two night cycles we'll have plenty of info from role actions most likely.

[MonkeyMan576]

Town is in an advantagous position there's no reason to give scum an advantage by forcing out claims unnecessarily in my opinion.

[MonkeyMan576]

We already knew WW wasn't a werewolf because werewolf's don't have guns unless because of their role.

[MonkeyMan576]

Werewolfs don't have guns unless a cop or a vig or something like that. Mafia do.

[MonkeyMan576]

I meant FL must have been a typo.

[MonkeyMan576]

It's not more plausible because there are 4 chances for him to roll mafia. There is also the possibility there is no town vig. You are ignoring the actual odds.

What's the odds we're calculating because I dunno if you noticed I'm incredibly weird and keep using the Slot machines.

The odds FL rolled mafia vs. the odds he rolled town vig vs. the odds he is werewolf with some role with a gun.

[MonkeyMan576]

****G****od, can we please just skip the RVS?

[MonkeyMan576]

No you want to go to the dance with me, STD.

[MonkeyMan576]

I think SCP is scum but FL and Mastia are more likely scum.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'll remember that for the future. I should have done more crumbs. Never crumbed before.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yeah Mena constantly was going for non catboi wagons.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yeah both scum factions not killing last night is possible but not likely. Players have itchy trigger finger.

[MonkeyMan576]

DOesn't make sense that vig kill condition is related to possible scum being alive.