Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

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VOTE: Menalque

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I have acquired information.

night 1 informed?

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also i will share that FL tried to claim a non normal-esque role in the monastery last night which was extremely amusing

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i think we do meg or klick today

VOTE: meg

funny those are the exact 2 I have pegged as Mafia off wagon of catboi here

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We need to elim Flavor Leaf. Trust me.

u need to fullcliam the info before i lim FL

yes he can be mafia due to catboi flip but as someone who has caught a scum im willing to give it a pass unless u have mech info

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because as far as im concerned you could be a malefactor faking a result without claiming

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We need to elim Flavor Leaf. Trust me.

u need to fullcliam the info before i lim FL

yes he can be mafia due to catboi flip but as someone who has caught a scum im willing to give it a pass unless u have mech info

I don't need to fullclaim. Would I really turn on someone who was pocketing me without evidence?

I think you do with a living Malefactor, actually.

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im gonna actually assume WW holstered their shot to dodge investigatives

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funny those are the exact 2 I have pegged as Mafia off wagon of catboi here

then why vote mena? like...at the end of the day yesterday there was a good amount of heat on Klick and Meg so if you agreed that they are scum why are you trying to split the wagon?

bc mena is blatantly ww!

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Okay I'm a one shot gunsmith.

well u see

FL will literally just claim vig who shot catboi now so

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but also i dont believe u bc why did you check FL rofl

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FL claimed vig last night

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but he tacked on weird requirements to it saying "all 3 of us had to be alive"
but it definitely was specifically a vig

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well if FL was just honest about claims and early in the monastery it would have been pretty trivial but yeah he did mention being a vig last night so its lightly plausible and catboi being dead tracks with FL's reads lol
so really we are in a very plausible FL town world still

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but also like

hm

if fl claims he shot catboi then it's like

...

both factions failed to kill?

or they both shot catboi in that world

i dont see why scum FL shoots catboi tho ftr tho

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actually i have a theory and thats why there is a missing shot

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the last not quite so normal had a mason vig btw so a monk vig would be a flipside version of that

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i get shooting the other team but i do not get why shoot catboi specifically bc catboi was obv gonna die d2

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FL is prob mafia with koba

deranged theory


but also ur wolf bc catboi spewed wallflower as a partner who was hellbussing him so gl bud

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StD will literally back me up when I say that based on the monastery chat, there is 0 way I am mafia with FL in a maf FL world lmao

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speak of the devil

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our monastery is 16 pages long atp and its mostly FL and I talking btw lmao

even StD is like 2 of those pages iirc

so yeah i can paraphrase that shit at any time to show im unaligned

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Is there any way STD is mafia with FL?

based on how StD talked to FL in the monastery i would myself say no.

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the funniest take is that there's not a monastery.....................

i mean if we had to flip a person to prove this u can take FL first

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There was a gunsmith but no vig in the first game, for the record.

cabd hydra was a vig

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uh oh spaghettios theres a gunsmith in the masonry

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uh oh spaghettios theres a gunsmith in the masonry

Yes

then ur literally CCd

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VOTE: Monkeyman

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ok malefactor whatever u say!

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this is literally the level 1 malefactor play btw

to fake a guilty on someone you think is town

there is actually 0 world that monkey goes and checks FL here over anyone else.


the narrative that he made up to check FL is frankly ridiculous + he is CCd by the masonry.

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VOTE: fl

also

@mod: both heads of this hydra will be V/LA every weekend

You caught monkey claim but not the masonry CC?

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monkey are you mason w tictac

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If so why the fuck didn't you let tictac claim for you

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IDK

i just saw a guilty on FL

maybe i jumped the gun

get it?

guilty on a gunsmith

Scummy

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I'm not a wolf like you so no thanks

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Can the gunsmith claimers answer if their role works against the werewolf faction or only mafia

Only mafia. Last run of nqn had a specific gunsmith that was werewolf flavor

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I was even night in that as the ww version

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Nope

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My monkery can prove that I claimed to have a kill as soon as we hit night phase.

I killed Catboi slot.

^ he really did btw
And the catboi shot makes sense from town FL standpoint

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If its a lucky coincidence oh well but frankly FL isnt going to plan on there being a GS on him like that

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the last not quite so normal had a mason vig btw so a monk vig would be a flipside version of that

Oh your monastory has a mafioso in it by the way.

Read up what gunsmith checks for

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Honestly i can see a world where cephrir sees the power of a vig in a conf 1 alignment group and sees it could be OP (even tho vigs usually suck) and FL is trueclaiming the restriction too.

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people really intentionally ignoring the fact FL claimed vig during the night phase before any of these "guilties" came out

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klick wont address it bc he is also scum btw

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inconvenient facts as they say

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scummy

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you vote FL on the basis of the GS claim -> get proven that FL crumbed a role already -> still maintain the push based on hastily drawn reasons

thats a scumclaim folks

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You do know vigis can be scum aligned right?
And why wouldn't you claim in night phase if you were planning on faking vigi and knew Noone in the monastery could kill you for it?

No

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Koba, give me this one, please?

?

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i mean tbh i think mena is the more blatant one and is in his lurkscum meta atm and prob went into antispew bc ydra guilty is likely on him lol

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but overall i am not wholly unopposed to yeeting meg

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i specifically recommended investigatives check StD and im disappointed they didnt tho btw

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i specifically recommended investigatives check StD and im disappointed they didnt tho btw

Says who?

? both claimed mafia specific investigatives claimed to check FL here.

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fun fact:

both wolves and vigs are allowed to target the same person at night

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So, for those of you not voting flavor leaf, your working theory is a) both scum teams didn't kill last night and b) FL just happened to roll vig?

why do you continue to ignore that FL claimed vig in monastery during night 1?

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i n c o n v e n i e n t
f a c t s

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the last not quite so normal had a mason vig btw so a monk vig would be a flipside version of that

Oh your monastory has a mafioso in it by the way.

Read up what gunsmith checks for

I know what GS checks for.
There's a maf in your monastery.

hey what did i claim that FL claimed during night 1?

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Because that's exactly what he would do if he was mafia.

That isn't 100% true. But it surely is what he would do if he was a town vig.

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how can you look at one side of the coin and completely disregard that the other side is, reasonable and in fact, more plausible? considering the kills too?

like frankly it is stupid and ridiculous.

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It's not more plausible because there are 4 chances for him to roll mafia. There is also the possibility there is no town vig. You are ignoring the actual odds.

i am playing mafia - not statistics

i weigh the social odds of him claiming vig as scum in monastery not your silly rand odds

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Monkeyman is:

CC'd by masons
keeps pushing FL scum flailingly because he thought the FL push would be a done deal and didnt expect them to be a vig(prob malefactor with a fake guilty that happens to be on the person who was burying scum all of d1)
refuses to acknowledge a town FL world where he is a vig when the evidence that he is one is compelling enough to consider

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That's convenient. Odds of rolling a particular role are not silly and random.

the odds of you checking FL are pretty low

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I'm not refusing to acknowledge the possibility of Town-FL. It's just a low possibility and the equity of eliminating scum FL is much more worthwhile.

yes you are

you are ignoring the fact FL claimed vig well before you claimed your guilty

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ok well gl convincing anyone that is the case
FL claimed he can shoot as long as all 3 of our monastery is alive so we will simply hold him to that.

ope

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For someone that refused to vote catboi you have a lot of opinions on Town-FL, SCP.

am i scum with catboi now?

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damn i cant believe this is a bastard game

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cephrir put me in the werewolf chat by mistake i think oh no!

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VOTE: MegA

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thats not a crumb thats a coincidence

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FL has done more crumbing of vig than you have of gunsmith

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If MM wasn't gunsmith how did he know FL has a gun?
I see no reason not believe it

malefactor fake claiming guilty to get a mislim

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coincidence happens etc etc

possibly a scum rolecop tho

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Then why the gunsmith claim over something like cop?
And why 1 shot claim afterward so no chance of following up with another guilty to cash in the cred

cop is liklier to be CCd probably in their view and gunsmith is a safer bet they may think

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So you're willing to believe scum-rolecop-me but you're not willing to believe scum-FL?

yes, frankly because catboi is dead and that was FL's top scumread.

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monkeyman rolecop

mason gunsmith

i rest my case

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Look - we will have FL shoot mastina tonight

That is how we will prove it.

OK?

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You seem extremely desperate to push over a slot with a provable role that cannot be held by scum.

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With a plausible night result that occured in a town them world.

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It's not provable tho.
What circumstances would actually prove that FL killed someone instead of having his scumteam do it?

All I see in the night results is that Mafia killed catboi. There aren't any other drawable conclusions.

i'd sooner flip you to see if you're mafia first rofl

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It's not provable tho.
What circumstances would actually prove that FL killed someone instead of having his scumteam do it?

All I see in the night results is that Mafia killed catboi. There aren't any other drawable conclusions.

Mafia shot somewhere else and got their kill saved
mafia holstered due to the kill mechs

mafia double tapped alongside FL



pretty easy conclusions - but you're mafia yourself and TMI'd that the conclusion is a double shot so thanks

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scum vigs are not normal

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nice try trying to paint a scum vig as possible btw
but no, this is supposed to be a normal game with normal balancing with some adjustments

scum vig is one of the most egregiously non normal things possible

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there's a huge leap between

scum vig and

masonry with all scum

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im figuring out what exactly catboi's role does if i can rn

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the fact we got flips without role pms describing their abilities is kinda lame to me considering the non-normal roles that dont have established ways they work

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Bookie - player pms mod that a certain role will be eliminated the next day, if they are right they gain vig powers the next night.

im not going off the wiki.

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ok but when you flip someone as a power role it should be clear exactly what that role does and its frustrating that idk what catboi can do

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VOTE: Flavor Leaf k then this makes more sense as mafia

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

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FL never softed vig before n1 and the restriction aligns with how restrictive catboi's role was

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i think its fascinating how nero is going for the 0% read rate on me overall, racing to beat Andante's record

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not sure if im already voting this but VOTE: MegA

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What happens if a beloved princess gets shot?

They die without triggering their ability.

I think that if flavor leaf were town they would have shot mastina.

i will be making them shoot mastina tonight - if that slot gets saved it is confirmed scum have a doctor

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you are the last thing I'd ever be afraid of.

ur mistake

also, you've played with me enough to know that I get annoyed when ppl misread me.

ya u just omgus when ur town which is why i stopped pushing u rofl

ur so easy

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large normal 236 u just meekly took my push

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hey nero

is mena wolf, y/n?

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i also dont give a shit if you think im only hunting 1 faction - I think people like Klick/MegA who were off wagon are going to flip Mafia and after today you're going to look like a clown when its clear I'm not aligned with them

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your pretentiousness and overconfidence in bad reads without trying to actually evaluate them honestly pisses me off so i probably will be walking away rn but yea your aggressive ego play is so anti town and u should consider Not

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ou're going to look like a clown

nice as hom

i guess it is ad hom if you ignore the rest of the sentence.

acknowledge you have never been able to find town!me and should think before you push

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i also dont give a shit if you think im only hunting 1 faction - I think people like Klick/MegA who were off wagon are going to flip Mafia and after today you're going to look like a clown when its clear I'm not aligned with them

Says the person who swore catboi was town.

Prove it

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But also I'm mechanically confirmed to not be scum with catboi so LOLOLOL

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What happens if a beloved princess gets shot?

They die without triggering their ability.

I think that if flavor leaf were town they would have shot mastina.

i will be making them shoot mastina tonight - if that slot gets saved it is confirmed scum have a doctor

Mastina was the plan to vig all along, especially after her claim, but Catboi had to go.

I will make myself shoot her.

Consider: you die if you dont shoot her.

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@SCP Would love to hear some more insight into the discussion between you and FL.

I wasn't convinced by anything FL told me, it was all me rereading the entire thread ISO by ISO and reevaluating from a Mena scum perspective as well. I think the most recently damning thing was the push to get Klick to vote ND.

That being said - I think Klick is scum too. Just would be unaligned with Catboi. The beauty of multiball, as one would have it.

Not to sound confbiased but Catboi pointing out the reads list made me go look at it and think it looked like a reads list that a scum hunting for the other faction would have and taht tracks.


also discard the maf/wolf labels from my reads - FL lied about the masonry rofl.


he claimed tictac and malcom were masons with him as well.

Hey SCP, mind telling me how I'm being "too narrow"???

I already discarded that part. I jumped the gun but it overall doesn't override the tonal/instigatory vibe I get from you. I feel your thread presence is calculated in a way that is scum motivated.

oh fuck i just remembered the exact reason why i started to pursue catboi scum
like

when i replaced in i read pooky's reads
he had catboi scum
at the time i skimmed catboi and laughed at it and said nah

later on i was like hmm well pooky actually kinda better at town than me let me see(after I saw catboi egg on klick to vote nash)

so i was like ok *reads catboi's iso more closely*
*sees some subtly sus shit regarding positioning*
*sees the type of presence they have in the game*
so i start to scumread catboi at that point.

yate

when going back to reread butter's iso and ctrl-Fing catboi it also looked really weird how butter was treating catboi and people who were pushing them.

thus why that kinda evolved into my more up front reads atm.

boom gotem

mena can read catboi

mena found catboi scum

catboi recognizes mena scum too, but also recognizes that mena isnt pushing them.

they know.

I mean I haven't been town against mena-scum but in my observation the last few timeshe rlled scum he was super unmotivated, including PYP, and he feels very much not that here, so

I also don't think your argument about him tunneling is a good one because again recent experience with him as town suggests he isnt always going to do that on day 1

i think he comes off as unmotivated here so funny you bring that up because that is precisely the behavior i see here, and the reaction to my fos on him was that kind of unmotivated giving up rather than like being indignant about being read wrong or being curious as to how i reached that.

I have to say I don't see it even on a reread of his ISO but in genera I'm forming my reads from impressions rather than sitting down and really scrutinizing everything. I feel like this is unhelpful because we're speaking in generalizations and not getting anything across to one another. I don't feel like going full effort towncasing here when he's not an elimination candidate but I realize this makes it harder to communicate what I am thinking to you

Could you just for a moment imagine I could possibly be town who has a different read from you, and I will talk to you under the presumption you could be town, and we get into actual specifics about the read? I would like to understand your thinking, to see if there's something I'm missing or not

sure

i mean in this early game in a multiball even if youre scum i can help you catch the opposite team anyways so quid pro quo goes a long way

i do think however that there is possibly a world where butter is spewing you scum but also when i reread the butter scum game i saw they were abusing townies pushing townies to preemptively set themselves up so they could be townreading the pushee(you) and trying to position themselves to push people pushing you.

and that last post is why i stopped pushing there for the day + also was annoyed with FL

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catboi, I think that it is advisable to just leave FL be here for now. I think you are both town.

damn u really pulled out 1 post out and didnt read the rest

the laziness is clear

as it turns out i can change my mind based on new info

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tbf, SCP could have known Catboi was Wolf and was intenionally pushing away from the wolf flip b/c once all the wolves are dead the mafia can't hide behind them.

but yeah, koba reads and play have been trash but I think its prob just scum play.

how would you describe my scum play?

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lets have an intelligent conversation Nero - i want you to describe exactly what you think is scummy from me.

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But also I'm mechanically confirmed to not be scum with catboi so LOLOLOL

good thing I'm pushing you as mafia then

good thing you are in the 0% read rate on koba club

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nero!town implies im town because of that fact tbh (:

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I already told you. I think you are likely mafia hunting the wolf team.

yes - proof?

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because I called mena a wolf because I have a wolf flip to work off of?

yes it is easier to hunt wolves from my point of view of having 2 townies clear of wolf + having a wolf flip to work off of

anything else?

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Dunnstral, Klick, Mastina, Ydrasse are probably all scum.

One of Cat Scratch/MegA are probably scum, possible both, but I think scum were in the Catboi straggler 4 (tictac, toogs, CSF, Mega). Said that yesterday too, didn't think it was Toogs/TicTac. Still don't think so.

holy fuck stop tunneling ydrasse

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catboi, I think that it is advisable to just leave FL be here for now. I think you are both town.

damn u really pulled out 1 post out and didnt read the rest

the laziness is clear

as it turns out i can change my mind based on new info

I like how SCP is trying to convince us they are town after not voting catboi the whole day and specifically saying I think you are town.

dude how do you not understand that i literally cannot be scum with catboi ergo that point is so bad

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i tried my best to try to find toog as town but he did fuck all to provide his mindset and progression so I felt forced to kill them for that because it was just very lined up with his scumplay + he was just not going to be ever useful if thats how he was on day 1.

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actually that begs the question - why didnt ydrasse check between monastery members? or tictac + a monk?

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Dunnstral, Klick, Mastina, Ydrasse are probably all scum.

One of Cat Scratch/MegA are probably scum, possible both, but I think scum were in the Catboi straggler 4 (tictac, toogs, CSF, Mega). Said that yesterday too, didn't think it was Toogs/TicTac. Still don't think so.

holy fuck stop tunneling ydrasse

Haven't voted her once, and I'm not the only one here calling her suspicious. Why is this the one that stood out the most for you? Because I've been calling Mastina/Klick/CSF scum longer than I've been calling Ydrasse scum.

bc i hard townread her slot d1

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Dunnstral, Klick, Mastina, Ydrasse are probably all scum.

One of Cat Scratch/MegA are probably scum, possible both, but I think scum were in the Catboi straggler 4 (tictac, toogs, CSF, Mega). Said that yesterday too, didn't think it was Toogs/TicTac. Still don't think so.

holy fuck stop tunneling ydrasse

Haven't voted her once, and I'm not the only one here calling her suspicious. Why is this the one that stood out the most for you? Because I've been calling Mastina/Klick/CSF scum longer than I've been calling Ydrasse scum.

bc i hard townread her slot d1

Doesn't mean she's town. You scum read Toogs and town pushed Catboi too.

CAN PEOPLE STOP MISREPPING MY FUCKING READ ON CATBOI

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I DID NOT FUCKING TOWNREAD CATBOI PAST MY INITIAL REPLACE IN

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STOP MISREPPING ME

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I LITERALLY PULLED UP MY FUCKING RECEIPTS ON THE MATTER AND EXPLAINED WHY

and yknow the more yall wanna push that i pushed on toog imma just say it, that elim was deserved based on the play and i dont regret it now.

just because ifucking miss 1 read on d1 doesnt make the rest of my reads dogshit !

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i think it was mechanically wack to not check between 2 people who cannot be 1 scum alignment ergo more reliable results

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on god do you understand how i treat scum as a faction that I believe in info states and that pushing toog over catboi was explicitly against the way I like to play scum and that if i just shoved catboi over with FL on a decisive wagon it would have been a much lower info state ?



just kill meg here and lets move on

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how would you describe my scum play?

I've played with scum you once and honestly I don't really remember.

I do vaguely remember playing in a game with you where you pushed a ton of lurkers (like you are doing this game) was that your scum game? or was it the game where scum Nero fooled the fuck out of you?

I'm saying that you pushed at least one town in Toog over a Wolf scum so at the very least your play hasn't been that good. Your lack of awareness is staggering.

but if you are mafia it also makes sense for you to push not wolf which is what I was saying.

Also, I think your "u r going to look like a clown when meg/klick flip mafia" is just toxic as fuck and uncalled for.

you should not be lecturing me on toxicity rofl

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koba kindly grow the fuck up.

Exhibit A why

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how would you describe my scum play?

I've played with scum you once and honestly I don't really remember.

I do vaguely remember playing in a game with you where you pushed a ton of lurkers (like you are doing this game) was that your scum game? or was it the game where scum Nero fooled the fuck out of you?

I'm saying that you pushed at least one town in Toog over a Wolf scum so at the very least your play hasn't been that good. Your lack of awareness is staggering.

but if you are mafia it also makes sense for you to push not wolf which is what I was saying.

Also, I think your "u r going to look like a clown when meg/klick flip mafia" is just toxic as fuck and uncalled for.

you never "fooled the fuck out of me"

but ok lol

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this is why I shot your slimy ass.

and then proceeded to lose town the game because of lack of awareness of mechanics

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yeah ok sure, you can't even admit that you lost to me. Jesus christ, so fucking full of yourself.

oh you're talking about THAT game rofl

didnt even remember it bc it was a mess on town's end going at each other not scum particularly playing well and my attempts to stop them didnt work



you literally had bad reads in bunnies spec chat and got mad at me when i told you your reads were wrong and then didnt say anything when i ended up right

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VOTE: mega

VOTE: mega

VOTE: mega

VOTE: mega

VOTE: mega

VOTE: mega

i fucking hope this flips mafia so people shut up

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i get you think im a fucking moron nero but my record in the past year shows I know what im doing and people who immediately discount people who are wrong early on are players holding themselves back

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If Mega flips Mafia, I'm conf town.

yeah pretty much. and StD too considering his treatment of MegA

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nothing keeps you fro, bussing meg but sure

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who's slot was norwee i just had a game complete where he completely snowed me and i want to reread his slot actually

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oh shit its ydrasse

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The Masonry is tictac/MegAzumarill/myself; I'm the 1-shot Gunsmith, targeted FL last night, got that he has a gun.
I townread MegAzumarill for role reasons.

well. that actually is interesting.

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now im completely lost because that completely invalidates half my mafia reads

but it explains my informed read there

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i get you think im a fucking moron nero but my record in the past year shows I know what im doing and people who immediately discount people who are wrong early on are players holding themselves back

????

I don't think I ever said that. I just think you are self-absorbed full of yourself egomaniac. I just happened to think you are scum this game b/c you've been wolf hunting.

It's also an objective fact that you pushed town while letting a wolf not get eliminated and your reaction is not "oh well I played poorly yesterday, my bad." it's "ANYONE THAT CALLS ME SCUM IS A FUCKING MORON! %$^*&^$%^&!!!!

I mean, there are certainly times where my reads have been bad but there have been plenty of times when they've been good.And you've just been trying to talk down to me while stroking your own ego.

I actually really hope that you are scum and this is all an act as I think it is b/c otherwise, I think it makes you look like a pretty shit person.

i dont think your reads in general are bad

i think your reads on me and players similar to me, are bad.


i dont think you want to see me as town here and are confbiasing me here and its frankly annoying when this happens repeatedly from you.

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VOTE: Mena
Fine with pressur where since Nashville wagon doesn't seem to be happening

no i need to kill a mafia today because then i cant be cleared

(inb4 mena is actually mafia)

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im gonna take a mental cleanse from the game then reeval [unv][/unv]

nashville is a wagon i think is good for now but I probably should look more into StD who i was suspicious of earlier but blah

i need to reread norwee in more depth here bc the claimed check seems weird


malcom/ydra/nashville/std are the immediate slots im thinking of if i wanted to pin down a mafia team read right now

mena/1 of tictac/klick(maybe both)/??? for wolves

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VOTE: Mena
Fine with pressur where since Nashville wagon doesn't seem to be happening

no i need to kill a mafia today because then i cant be cleared

(inb4 mena is actually mafia)

You would think you want to kill mafia to help town win.

i just feel extremely pressured to kill a mafia because multiple people who are loud and ego filled are pushing me rn and that is pushing me to not push my confident wolf reads off the catboi flip (:

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im gonna take a mental cleanse from the game then reeval [unv][/unv]

nashville is a wagon i think is good for now but I probably should look more into StD who i was suspicious of earlier but blah

i need to reread norwee in more depth here bc the claimed check seems weird


malcom/ydra/nashville/std are the immediate slots im thinking of if i wanted to pin down a mafia team read right now

mena/1 of tictac/klick(maybe both)/??? for wolves

i forgot CSF existed they also enter my PoE but i dont have an alignment for them

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but yea im only hunting wolves here lol

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VOTE: SCP 682

Why?

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We could always vote butterchurn

are you saying this bc you are preflipping me or bc of independent reasons

if the latter, please share bc I am willing to put them back into consideration after that masonry reveal

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u know i want to be annoying

hey nero im gonna vote with you so long as you vote people who are within my reasonable PoE

go wild

this is not me absolving responsibility, this is me making the game more enjoyable for me bc of how much has been sucked out of it for me

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independent

but

why do you consider a butterchurn flip a preflip of u?

just thought it might have been spiteful based on the reads I outted on this page where i omit him

hard to tell

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u know what

fuck it

let the wagon build on me i want to see what scum want to out themselves by thinking im viable

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VOTE: SCP 682

Thank you for scum claiming.

so you think i'm scum with FL?

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no thanks I wanna get the bad guys.

do you think I'm scum with FL?

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I think Klick is a Wolf Gunsmith out to avenge Catboi.

I'm doing an awful lot of waving my arms around for no reason for a Wolf.

If I drew scum with catboi I'd have been much more invested yesterday because catboi is one of those players that I'd try to have a lot of fun playing scum with. I'd like to think that catboi would have been having more fun as well.

I think out of the masons you are the least wolfy so there's that. I strictly had you as mafia after catboi flipped.

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VOTE: CSF

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btw yall are not allowed to go after FL if i get mislimmed here. if you vote me, you are committing to calling FL town.

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i think i need more people to check in bc that will prob help round out my reads

malcom butter mastina all have not posted since day start and they are low in my reads

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oh btw if it isnt clear, mastina is my binned "malefactor" which is going to be true until I announce otherwise.

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even-night occultist

Welcome to Not Quite Normal Multiball.

You've long been afraid of the darker side of this world, and have dedicated yourself to studying fragments, sifting fact from fiction and gleaning what little information can be had about the things that most folks would tell you aren't real. They called you crazy, but the townsfolk will need your help now that you've been proven right. Shame you're also superstitious.

You are a

Town Even-Night Occultist

. On even-numbered nights, you may investigate a player. I will inform you whether that player is occult or not occult, or tell you that you got no result. Werewolves, Occultists, Roleblockers and Seers are occult, as are any other investigative roles that only work on werewolves or similar. (This list may not be exhaustive.) However, you get a not-occult result on Clerics, even if they are another role or alignment that would normally give you an occult result.

You win when all mafia and werewolves are gone.

i thought i might also share this info that is publicly available about occult since catboi flipped wolf he def shared this role info already

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this is from the last run of the game

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(to mods : this is a quoted role pm from a PREVIOUS game not this one)

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random but our masonry is approaching 20 pages lmfao

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Town town town town town i'm town town town town town townie mctownieface town town town i am town hehe look at me so town very town

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i believe it

thanks you were my inspiration

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the only role I would show as red to is occultist and I am clear from the guilty it would show. so no, it isn't a role soft.

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there is now a concentrated effort to remove FL as a vig intentionally by pretending the guilty is solid

it really is interesting how scum like to scumclaim. the people who are simply being foolish and not interpreting the report correctly and the info available are obvious and those being bad faith to remove the vig are also clear.


Malcom confirmed himself as scum.

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also today is mothers day and I will be busy at my parent's place pretty much all day, so not gonna be around.

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Also - Monkey raised this possibility briefly but is there a chance SCP/Flavor can be a team together here?

No. This just plummeted you in my reads.

FL and SCP do not fight for control of the thread to that extent if teamed.

Also, I still feel Meg should be the elimination, but I'm not about to turn this into yesterday again. I don't have a TR on CSF.

VOTE: CSF

I agree it's somewhat unlikely but was exploring the possibility. Fundamentally I've not really been TR'ing SCP from going through posts recently but they are just very hard to read due to their style. But if Flavor is scum which I think they are SCP is then not.

Why is flavor scum?

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sort by postcount is incredibly effective in large games usually especially with such high scum counts btw - as long as you apply a little critical thinking, it becomes clear that scum are just trying to let townies fight eachother at key moments.

I do implore people look at who *wasn't* talking at all for an extended period while people were fighting eachother later on.

I'm wary to go just on post-count but it could be useful in some scenarios here given I'm not reading any of Flavor/Catboi/Well Done as scum at the moment despite their arguments dominating the game.

x

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So only for mechanical reasons where it is still viable for FL to be town?

What are the dayplay reasons?

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btw cheers for scumclaiming

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but yea im only hunting wolves here lol

Why?
For me, differentiating which team is which will be a lot easier once one of each flips

it was a sarcastic post directed at people accusing me of only hunting 1 faction

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VOTE: FL

imagine my shock!

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if FL actually flips mafia i'll take the L for that but really its more we got scum afraid of a vig that will shoot accurately tonight and the wagon is extremely scum motivated with people refusing to acknowledge FL buried a scum, defended a wagon on town and tried to convince people off it AND crumbed their role in the monastery last night BEFORE being checked as having a gun.


and then theres people like monkeyman who are just scumsiding town who i really cant be fucked to try to convince because logic doesnt work on them because they think statistics are king, when they forget said statistics involve a non zero chance of the world i'm presenting of being explicitly true

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im still wildly skeptical of 2 gunsmiths existing in the same game


but also consider: there is either a scum doc, a town vig, or BOTH in a setup with 2 gunsmiths and both explain the kill on catboi from FL + the lack of kill elsewhere if you want to pretend like werewolves didnt shoot catboi too after the PR claim.


and also the fact that a vig was placed into the MONASTERY a place where explicitly wolves cant exist so it isnt as easy to clear just anyone out of it + the restriction on FL's role it all just makes sense mechanically

i myself do not get swayed by arguments like this but I know some of you do bc for me it was enough to discard the red check based on the soft in the hood last night and thats enough plausible deniability that makes the check useless.

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regarding the doubt of the gunsmiths: i believe one of them is likely a wolf rolecop who is meant to be a "false" guilty for the actual gunsmith, whichever of the 2 it is(which i believe is in the masonry)


so yeah

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if i have any sway please listen to me when i say FL is not mafia why would he claim vig in the hood last night

if you want to kill FL for having a gun, fine, do it tomorrow. don't do it today when there's a chance he's just a vig here.

yeah ngl i thought he was just making a fancy play last night but seeing catboi dead in the grave adds credence to the claim regardless of whatever other actions might have been

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Sword of Ducks, I have a suggestion to you since i know you will be kept alive as an unexperienced person and likely a target for manipulation.

Try to trust mainly people that confirmed townies say to trust, that includes people confirmed via being killed and flipped.

I don't see myself convincing you I'm not mafia here but if I am to die at any point, I ask you to trust FL and also see Enchant + Monkeyman as town, but uh maybe not really listen to them as much. (I'd listen to Enchant if you have no one else to trust at this point).
I think bunny and Save the Dragons are also is possibly trustworthy people who have their head on their shoulders at this point - I don't feel so comfortable giving more names in case I am wrong + the other people I think are town I would rather not lead this game atp.

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That is to say I think you are extremely transparently town and don't want you to end up being manipulated to win the game for scum at the end.

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Sword of Ducks, I have a suggestion to you since i know you will be kept alive as an unexperienced person and likely a target for manipulation.

Try to trust mainly people that confirmed townies say to trust, that includes people confirmed via being killed and flipped.

I don't see myself convincing you I'm not mafia here but if I am to die at any point, I ask you to trust FL and also see Enchant + Monkeyman as town, but uh maybe not really listen to them as much. (I'd listen to Enchant if you have no one else to trust at this point).
I think bunny and Save the Dragons are also is possibly trustworthy people who have their head on their shoulders at this point - I don't feel so comfortable giving more names in case I am wrong + the other people I think are town I would rather not lead this game atp.

That is to say trust FL mainly because he has been present in the gamestate the whole game and generally becomes more accurate as the game goes on and I believe he is town.

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Sword of Ducks, I have a suggestion to you since i know you will be kept alive as an unexperienced person and likely a target for manipulation.

How can I be manipulated if I have no role to manipulate, and I don't listen to any ''advice'' given in a message? (if a messager exists?)

Was just giving you a heads up that you are a player who will be fought over likely lategame.
And i meant manipulated socially via your vote.

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@cassv@dunn why are you voting fl?

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For those voting FL - do you believe the wagon is pure?

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votecount 2.4

Flavor Leaf (8) |

Klick

,

tictac

,

Dunnstral

, cassowary,

mastina

,

MalcolmTucker

,

Menalque

,

MonkeyMan576

Cat Scratch Fever (5) | SCP 682, Save The Dragons, Flavor Leaf, Nashville Dreams, bnuuy

Nashville Dreams (3) | butterchurn, Enchant, Cat Scratch Fever

SCP 682 (1) | Sword of Ducks
MegAzumarill (1) | Nero Cain

MonkeyMan576 (1) | The Keeper
Menalque (1) | MegAzumarill

Not Voting | Ydrasse

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-05-20 20:06:00).

this is how i view the current FL wagon btw

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uhh the pink is malefactor and the various shades of purple are WW

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one of tictac/klick are possibly town tho but i think theres 100% a wolf in that masonry

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CSF/butter/Ydrasse/ 1 of Keeper/cass for mafia team ATP i feel

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CSF/butter/Ydrasse/ 1 of Keeper/cass for mafia team ATP i feel

oh i was trying to fill in i forgot about malcom lol

remove keeper/cass i just was unsure of who to slot into last slot and that didnt feel right


CSF/butter/ydrasse/malcom


ydrasse likliest to slot out and will prob resolve anyways as parity cop can be v strong.

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i will say like butter feels vastly similar to catboi in that it feels like he was only solving for 1 alignment well and the other alignment he was solving poorly in the sense that what i noticed with catboi early on when i replaced in

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Okay, I'm caught up. Let's do this thing:

Town reads:

Sword of Ducks (de facto Innocent Child)
Menalque
Well Done
MalcolmTucker
butterchurn
Save The Dragons
mastina
MonkeyMan576 (little less confident on this one than the others but only because I haven't been paying as much attention to him lately)

Town leans:

Cat Scratch Fever
cassowary
Tracer Bullet (feels grotty putting him here but I do think the play was pooky-town)
Klick (a bit concerned as from what I've seen as scum he tends to fade off as the game goeson, but not enough that I'd be fine with seeing him eliminaed today)

Null:

Toogeloo
Wallflower
The Keeper

Scum reads:

Nashville Dreams (Titus & Malakittens)
MegAzumarill
bnuuy
tictac
Enchant
Flavor Leaf
NorwegianboyEE


I had liked Mala early but it feels like she's fallen off the face of the planet and Titus's progression on me where she was defending me and then made a comment about how I have to be eliminated because of counterwagons was

super

sketchy and made no sense, like she was angling for a way to be able to join the bandwagon on me

I had wanted to believe the self-meta about following other people and sheeping them but after giving him a read over, I really do think this could be a scum-norwee game. He doesn't feel like he has any reads he cares about and it's vastly different from the town game of his in a large that I looked it.

meg/bnuuy/tictac/enchant just feel like cheat code scum where they're doing nothing, and aside from bnuuy they haven't gotten heat for it, just kind of classically low-effort. You could say toogeloo here but I feel like they'd play this way as eeither alignment, the beloved princess stuff gives me the heebie jeebies though.

fwiw this is probably a good reads list to follow if one strictly thinks about who is and who isnt a wolf on this list ^

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sorry mixed it up meant who is and isn't mafia, i forgot catboi flipped wolf for a sec

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FL I will chalk up to being moreso "omgus because he is on my ass" kind of read.

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I think Klick is like 100% a wolf here fwiw reading back and seeing the reads list thing he got caught for when interacting with FL actually.

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@masonry - who is the gunsmith in the masonry again? if its klick - my theory about rolecop may ring true

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I don't see myself convincing you I'm not mafia here but if I am to die at any point, I ask you to trust FL and also see Enchant + Monkeyman as town, but uh maybe not really listen to them as much. (I'd listen to Enchant if you have no one else to trust at this point).
I think bunny and Save the Dragons are also is possibly trustworthy people who have their head on their shoulders at this point - I don't feel so comfortable giving more names in case I am wrong + the other people I think are town I would rather not lead this game atp.

Extremely bad advise. I know what I’m talking about. I was on catboi the entire day one and they didn’t want anything to do with a catboi wagon, we know how that turned out. So who do you trust?

You were mainly sheeping FL

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Weird i thought it was a social deduction game

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you guys are doing a great job of all being horribly scummy

I came into this dayphase thinking that

Nashville Dreams
Cat Scratch Fever
Save The Dragons
The Keeper
MonkeyMan576
Enchant
Flavor Leaf

and maaaaayyyybbbbeeee SCP 682 were town and that the rest of the scum were in

butterchurn
Sword of Ducks
cassowary
Dunnstral
MegAzumarill
MalcolmTucker
bnuuy
tictac
Klick
mastina
Menalque
Ydrasse

but now I'm not really sure what to think anymore.

STD's stuff about me is poor
keeper's thing about posts number is dumb
and my issue with monkey is that the way that he's approaching FL's vig claim is not how role distribution works. Could just be confbiased though.

still think scum could potentially be in

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butterchurn
cassowary
Dunnstral
MegAzumarill
bnuuy
Klick
mastina
Ydrasse

but I'm less confident than I was this morning.

Pat pat one day you'll read me right

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you guys are doing a great job of all being horribly scummy

Not truth at all.

^

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Or I could just be right.

Statistics should only supplement your read not be the sole basis buddy

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I also thought about Monkey being scum that's willing to sacrifice himself to get a vig and I think it could make sense in a setup with limited kills. This scenario also means that he has a scum buddy that told him that FL claimed vig.

In the traditional sense, multiball refers to mirrored scum teams.

I also think that 2 1 shot gunsmiths could certainly co-exist as town so MM/tic tac are prob both the same alignment. I'm not so gung ho on MM/Tic Tac being scum but it could make sense?

so maybe something like


scp
monkey
yd
butter


catboi
tic tac
meg
klick/cass


mastina



or with a t/t gunsmith its like a


scp
malcolm
yd
butter


catboi
meg
klick
cass


mastina

how ur reads literally align with mine for the most part minus like mena and myself rofl

why do u townread menalque?

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actually our reads on the mafia team are literally the fuckin same dude

you are so confbiased

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its amazing actually how one can act this confbiased

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i think u are trash at reading me specifically
i think u are overall good at reading people that are not me

i have maintained this stance

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i too have people i tend to be trash at reading at, like bugspray and titus(and now toog)

just admit it to urself and it will make ur games much more accurate

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if we are reaching similar reads on the mafia team after the masonry revelation then you really be wilding

I'm willing to pivot to malcom just to prove a point I just was pushing CSF because in a large I need to go for the scumreads I have that are more easy to push through at the moment

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i think u are wrong on cass and its mena instead but we can cross that bridge when we are back to murdering the wolf team