LOST (Game Over)

[Cephrir]

hi my role has a drawback and i haven't decided yet whether to claim harder than that or not

VOTE: enchant i don't think a rock will help us survive this situation

[Cephrir]

i also am reading rad as town but feel less sure about the advocate for this read!

[Cephrir]

i doubt i will ever townread you on page 6 of any game ever

[Cephrir]

What if we didn't do this every time

I guess I should out my drawback as Hated if we're doing this again

[Cephrir]

I actually have no idea why we're wagoning Cephrir BUT

He is probably the ONLY player on the site who rolls scum more frequently then I do

so it's a fine place to start

VOTE: Cephrir

Dont take my town PM away thanks

[Cephrir]

all you vanity voters need to do something...shame on you.

Is this a joke?

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Pooky

Youd like to get me put of the way for free huh

[Cephrir]

It takes 1 less vote to kill me

[Cephrir]

I do get tired of having to perform absurd feats of towniness at the start of every game, invariably get out of the wagon regardless of my alignment and then get doubted for those absurd feats of towniness for the rest of the game

Like yes running me up immediately is an effective strategy and I will absolutely town or scumclaim under pressure, not that you will actually get me elimed either way. but could you try a different one sometimes? It's annoying to have to do every time

[Cephrir]

I think you wouldnt be upset if it happened to work out that way pooktavius

[Cephrir]

do u think anyones scummy rn...

I have a vote down

That's more or less it atm

[Cephrir]

hi my role has a drawback and i haven't decided yet whether to claim harder than that or not

VOTE: enchant i don't think a rock will help us survive this situation

What if we didn't do this every time

I guess I should out my drawback as Hated if we're doing this again

What made you want to keep the hated part a secret initially?

I think my flavor is guessable or at least pretty narrow downable from that info and also another reason for later

[Cephrir]

I was gonna vote but Pooky talked me out of it.

Dont play with our hearts like this

[Cephrir]

Ceph I miss Daffy :[

Sweet bear, I'm still here somewhere. I do on occasion tire of being my most romantic self, and after all I'm still recovering from being so thoroughly betrayed by the lady I trusted with my heart! A broken heart heals slowly.

[Cephrir]

ok there's absolutely no way I believe Frogster is town

His posts look like he copypasted them from somewhere else

I agree frogster is scum

[Cephrir]

So do y'all like take physical notes for these larges? I have never completed one

I make notes PTs.
@Ceprir, don't make that type of post I'll reflexively vote you if you do it again.

Can someone explain Klick to me.
I can't read whatever they're doing.

Ur not the boss of me bellicose

[Cephrir]

So do y'all like take physical notes for these larges? I have never completed one

I make notes PTs.
@Ceprir, don't make that type of post I'll reflexively vote you if you do it again.

Can someone explain Klick to me.
I can't read whatever they're doing.

Ur not the boss of me bellicose

Ceph I'm legit sad if you actually rolled scum again I just wanted us to be town buddies for once

Everyone should weep at every scum pm i receive, it is genuinely driving me away from mafia ATP

You need to be town for us to be town buddies! Which will be seeable eventually

And if we hydra'd our chances of rolling scum would be like. 130%

[Cephrir]

100% scum 30% chance we're so scum that we manifest a role into the setup that's actually 2 scum accounts one being a sock puppet

[Cephrir]

i think dunnstral has been slowly transforming into an AI and now he's a robot because no one noticed and put a stop to it

[Cephrir]

not sure why but i feel like VOTE: OTH

[Cephrir]

Flavor

A group of survivors of the crash pick up a transmission of a French woman repeating a message for 16 (hey that's one of the numbers) years. Later, a disgraced Sayid, fresh from torturing an innocent Sawyer, discovers the woman named Danielle Rousseau who has been on the island for a long time.

Spoiler:

im still mad that the show just said no thanks to doing anything with their most interesting character or having her, i dunno, matter to the broader plot

but i didn't finish the show maybe they changed their minds later

[Cephrir]

i love you too belladonna

[Cephrir]

ah, finally, an ally

[Cephrir]

how long do you have to be wrong about this before i can finally claim you got one wrong and i'm therefore vindicated

[Cephrir]

i need an amount of time spent voting me that is required for me to be able to claim ultimate victory in the battle of can bell not read me vs. am i just always scum

[Cephrir]

eh, you'll get it eventually, you did last time

[Cephrir]

how long do you have to be wrong about this before i can finally claim you got one wrong and i'm therefore vindicated

At least 30 minutes. But currently I take no blame, because your play this game is near indistinguishable from like, the last 3 times you were scum.

i keep telling you that's on purpose

maybe one day you will believe me

you just think my baseline play is scum because it usually has been :V

[Cephrir]

what you're supposed to do with that is wait and see! or i guess elim me day 1 every game but that doesn't seem terribly sporting

[Cephrir]

elim me day 1 every game

i do acknowledge this is optimal although it's getting less optimal as my town game seemingly has improved lately

[Cephrir]

To borrow Frog’s chess analogy, everybody knows the right first 20 moves. (Well I don’t but you know), unless they get pushed into ambiguous territory. I know I’m already obvious town, but like, that’s what I gotta do. Or just kill you so you try something different.

bell i would be more likely to react weirdly if you, specifically, *didn't* try to kill me at this point

[Cephrir]

VOTE: frog

[Cephrir]

not sure why but i feel like VOTE: OTH

This is kinda cringe. You don't have a real vote to place anywhere?

VOTE: CSF

Because.

At least there's an implied reason here.

???

[Cephrir]

i guess that does work as a crumb since there are 3 philosophers

[Cephrir]

It seems ceph and bell did this kind of dance in the Shakespeare game but later on.

"it seems" ? did you research this just now, or?

[Cephrir]

yes

[Cephrir]

Bruh.
Would I even do this if I were scum

yes, but somehow i have a vague feeling that you wouldn't make this post

[Cephrir]

ok there's absolutely no way I believe Frogster is town

His posts look like he copypasted them from somewhere else

I agree frogster is scum

VOTE: frog

Deeeeeep brah

Deep read ceph

Brah the elaboration like whoah

thanks i know the layers can be a lot for some folks to process all at once

[Cephrir]

Bell, leave Corwin be.

how is this the one thing you feel compelled to comment on

There's a difference between who I'm willing to vote versus who I want to vote right now.
I'm willing to vote anyone but me if the argument or the circumstances are good enough.
I want to vote those people.

Why Corwin over others? Yeah Lurkers suck but Corwin claimed a VLA, and he doesn't have a history of just lurking. I don't think scum!Corwin just lurks here and tries to get away with it with some bs claim. I think his claim is legit and he'll catch up when he can, regardless of alignment.

you've ascribed a lot of motivation here that i don't think bell ever stated he thought was happening. why does this guy with like 1 post have at least 4 defenders

ok there's absolutely no way I believe Frogster is town

His posts look like he copypasted them from somewhere else

I agree frogster is scum

VOTE: frog

Deeeeeep brah

Deep read ceph

Brah the elaboration like whoah

thanks i know the layers can be a lot for some folks to process all at once

VOTE: Cephrir

Don't ask, just read the iso. Scum filler slot.

you can call me scum, but FILLER?!? this will not stand. every word i write is a masterpiece unto itself

I'm actually coming around on town!Corwin myself.

Willing to Feed to Polar Bears:

Cephrir
JohnnyFarrar
Corwinoid
BlueBloodedToffee
Galron
Frogsterking

Gogo team Buss-the-Frog!! You can do it! Bus that frog!

pooky do you think he's just trying to sound insane now because you said he wasn't insane enough

[Cephrir]

Willing to Feed to Polar Bears:

Cephrir
JohnnyFarrar
Corwinoid
BlueBloodedToffee
Galron
Frogsterking

Gogo team Buss-the-Frog!! You can do it! Bus that frog!

Of that Pooky list, don’t understand what Johnny’s done so far that’s ai? Corwin, already commented on. Like to see more from Galron. Don’t currently sr Frog, so that leaves Cephir and BBT.

Johnny's sketch, they've never elaborated on a single read, including their vote which has been parked on me all day, and haven't done anything to indicate any desire to solve the game.

ur treating this game like it didn't just start yesterday

ur also defending corwin and attacking johnny for being equally useless as each other

[Cephrir]

not sure why but i feel like VOTE: OTH

This is kinda cringe. You don't have a real vote to place anywhere?

Kind of agree with this, why did Cephir make this vote but it’s kind’ve worse than a naked vote because doesn’t say gut or really anything.

I think Galron is more likely town than not from his ISO.

if i don't give a reason you can assume the reason is gut

[Cephrir]

it's wild how much folks are reading into players, including me, who haven't even started playing yet

[Cephrir]

For the record I like a frog vote. Dude seems shady.

Lemme look at a plist and I'll give you the ones who should live to d2

Also Corwin talked a bit about his problems elsewhere, they're real and we should give him space.

this phrasing pings me as town

[Cephrir]

not sure why but i feel like VOTE: OTH

This is kinda cringe. You don't have a real vote to place anywhere?

Kind of agree with this, why did Cephir make this vote but it’s kind’ve worse than a naked vote because doesn’t say gut or really anything.

I think Galron is more likely town than not from his ISO.

if i don't give a reason you can assume the reason is gut

What is your current read on them?

still feel like they could be scum

it's wild how much folks are reading into players, including me, who haven't even started playing yet

Is this when you start pocketing people and faking town tells

im already 10 steps ahead

who needs "town tells" though this isn't 2011

[Cephrir]

You're doing a good job ceph, establishing commonality with pooky at the end of 922 is a great diplomatic angle, as pooky is the most active poster, and framing the game as having "not even started yet" in 924 and 927 is a great way to try and rewind the clock for you before you set up your fake town tells.

thanks i know

this certainty level is very believable

[Cephrir]

Just going to throw this out there, hydras are > than rand more likely to either targeted or NK’d early. So why do you think OtH is likely to be scum? What about their posting do you sr? @Cephir

hydras are more likely to be targeted probably yes. so?

again, just a vibe, i guess i could go in depth on them right now and try to produce what made me feel this way but it's far from my top priority

[Cephrir]

Just going to throw this out there, hydras are > than rand more likely to either targeted or NK’d early. So why do you think OtH is likely to be scum? What about their posting do you sr? @Cephir

hydras are more likely to be targeted probably yes. so?

again, just a vibe, i guess i could go in depth on them right now and try to produce what made me feel this way but it's far from my top priority

Yes because two heads and less predictable, so scum is more likely to target them in general. So. just saying I get a little but worried whenever I see a hydra getting sr unless they’re flaming obvscum like D & D was in CoD.

i greatly disagree with this philosophy and will not be abiding by it

[Cephrir]

i don't even remember that game but no i am not going to give all hydras bonus points for being hydras and i dont think there's anything wild about that

[Cephrir]

froggy why did you change your posting style midgame here

[Cephrir]

i cant tell if that's a joke or not

[Cephrir]

Nope, you asked and I answered. Posting style changes = meds wore off = probably an increase of "grenade style" posting like Bell was describing, among other things.

pooky are you still sure this is scum because im not

[Cephrir]

malakittens is town

[Cephrir]

VOTE: BBT

wake up

[Cephrir]

VOTE: BBT

wake up

Cephrir, are you secretly a Koba alt?

no, koba is a me alt

[Cephrir]

pagetop

[Cephrir]

don't worry i don't actually do permanent townbins anyway

[Cephrir]

I was under the impression Titus typically declined to heavily VCA D1.

[Cephrir]

are you gonna do anything about it or

[Cephrir]

Johnny, you had an earlier town read on Luke, do you still feel that way and why?

Yeah, they haven't done anything to disturb that halo on their head. You think I missed something?

Not necessarily. My notes are "Dislike Frog and Luke, feels like ~350ish is s/s [\n] JF TR Luke?" so I've just been meaning to ask about it. Something wasn't rubbing right around then, but I suspect a lot of you have a better feel for him as a player than I do.

i know this is a me thing but performative reference to notes will always bother me

and i say this is performative because it's clearly formatted in a way no one could possibly understand, so the only purpose it serves is "hey look at me i take notes"

[Cephrir]

I isod bbt because there's a wagon on him and I just feel super meh. Like I mean that iso could easily come from town but nothing there is difficult for scum to fake either

I should probably have more reads from all that posting but I feel like shit right now so might post more later

i mean i do too my vote is expressly for pressure and can easily be cured by the slot doing anything

[Cephrir]

I forgot they were in the game:

Malcolm
Klick
Dwlee

[Cephrir]

everyone is null

town
Malakittens
Rad
Bell
T-Bone
Cat Scratch Fever humaneatingmonkey
Lukewarm

null
Taly Toogeloo
PookyTheMagicalBear
Galron
Frogsterking
Roden
Corwinoid
The toad
Enchant
Dwlee99
Bellaphant
Klick
Dunnstral
JohnnyFarrar
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
PenguinPower

scum
BlueBloodedToffee
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)

[Cephrir]

Should I scumread CG for misusing their words? I feel like both of those players would use them carefully

[Cephrir]

Should I scumread CG for misusing their words? I feel like both of those players would use them carefully

They're not misusing their words in their last two posts. Give me a minute and I'll show how it was reasonable.

Even if we think the posts were necessary I see several words that could have been dropped

[Cephrir]

i should probably have better reads. how is this game 50 pages it feels like nothing has happened

[Cephrir]

i already know that bellissimo

[Cephrir]

Thanks for the clarification Lukewarm. I also don't need to find your dad.

thanks for the giggle

i don't really take issue with dunn scumreading me at this time. i haven't left my scum range at all. still curious why he's talking like a robot.

this is a real case of the metas but the fact roden hasn't done anything scummy yet is scummy

[Cephrir]

it's nice to know that whenever i want to pocket rad i can just make some pretty, rational sounding explanations and get a free pass :3

[Cephrir]

Thanks for the clarification Lukewarm. I also don't need to find your dad.

thanks for the giggle

i don't really take issue with dunn scumreading me at this time. i haven't left my scum range at all. still curious why he's talking like a robot.

this is a real case of the metas but the fact roden hasn't done anything scummy yet is scummy

You were literally scum who said this about town!me in the last large theme we did lol

But also it's in your scum meta to snipe at people like this until they get tilted while you encourage people who trust you into following their tunnels

uhhhh my recollection is that i spent that game tunnelling you because i thought your behavior was scummy and i could mislim you for it. are we talking about the same game

[Cephrir]

it's nice to know that whenever i want to pocket rad i can just make some pretty, rational sounding explanations and get a free pass :3

I know this is a joke but it makes me concerned on a personal level, because I am also this person.

just be cautious when dealing with strong players

i could produce a post like dunn's that i didn't believe at all if i felt like it

[Cephrir]

The game state leads no where when we follow Ceph IMO. We were in a better place when Ceph had several votes and was chastising us for wagoning him before he had a chance to play.

we're following me? how? you can't follow someone who's standing still

[Cephrir]

I don't think Frog/Ceph is ever S/S. A red scum flip from Ceph heavily implies that he was trying to prod Frog into tunneling me with his earlier comment.

i don't do things like this i'm not 5head enough

[Cephrir]

i don't really take issue with dunn scumreading me at this time. i haven't left my scum range at all. still curious why he's talking like a robot.

What do you mean?

your posts this game have a very formal tone that i don't think i've noticed in the past

[Cephrir]

Thanks for the clarification Lukewarm. I also don't need to find your dad.

thanks for the giggle

i don't really take issue with dunn scumreading me at this time. i haven't left my scum range at all. still curious why he's talking like a robot.

this is a real case of the metas but the fact roden hasn't done anything scummy yet is scummy

You were literally scum who said this about town!me in the last large theme we did lol

But also it's in your scum meta to snipe at people like this until they get tilted while you encourage people who trust you into following their tunnels

uhhhh my recollection is that i spent that game tunnelling you because i thought your behavior was scummy and i could mislim you for it. are we talking about the same game

You went out of your way to provoke me and rally STD to attack me multiple times that game. I...don't know why you're pretending like that didn't happen.

ah, here's the roden i know, now we're twisting words proper like. i don't think rallying votes is the same thing as deliberate provocation but this isn't really important to this game

[Cephrir]

ok sure i am lying about this because i am scum

[Cephrir]

i don't get why this happens every time but i refuse to perform losing my mind which is apparently what is demanded of me. do what you want

[Cephrir]

you could just be like your radiant townie self when you were so nice to dance with me tho

you don't have to "lose your mind"

i need to be left alone to accomplish that and that isn't something that people are interested in giving me, for whatever reason

[Cephrir]

it's nice to know that whenever i want to pocket rad i can just make some pretty, rational sounding explanations and get a free pass :3

I know this is a joke but it makes me concerned on a personal level, because I am also this person.

just be cautious when dealing with strong players

i could produce a post like dunn's that i didn't believe at all if i felt like it

Who are you warning against in this post?

no one in particular im just giving play advice to someone who is concerned about a blind spot in their game

[Cephrir]

cmon you're nowhere close to being elimmed

just work your magic and ignore the haters <3

don't want to

I am very confident that if you are town I will figure it out Ceph <3

i am also confident in this

[Cephrir]

Hey ceph how would you describe the experience of playing against me in this game?

the inmates are running the asylum

[Cephrir]

in before "gotcha, you shouldn't know we're not on the same side"

[Cephrir]

ceph ceph ceph ceph cepppppph

I just want you to be happy and have a good time

winning, being scum, being town

it's not important dude

let's just have a good time

how can i cheer you up?

i appreciate this

i'm going to be going to bed soon so i don't think there's much to be done right now

[Cephrir]

should i pretend to enjoy it instead

vote me harder daddy. i love being dead. i cant wait to talk to malakittens for the next 7 days

[Cephrir]

it gives me visceral joy to be the center of attention immediately in every game i sign up for. oh shoot, there i go deliberately manipulating your emotions again!

[Cephrir]

in before "gotcha, you shouldn't know we're not on the same side"

Gotcha, you're thinking 2 steps ahead because you're playing with more knowledge than the rest of us, and you like it.

live video of me

[Cephrir]

Um. I don't think I want Cephrir to die anymore. Since they sort of jumped through my preferred hoops. though it's fairly subtle.

damn it i don't know how but you really can do it

[Cephrir]

I did want Cephrir to die in the early game because they were being themselves.

[Cephrir]

Klick why did you flip your read on me

I was thinking about how you would approach this as scum. At first I was thinking you wouldnt come for me early because youd see me as pocketable for you

But actually the timing along with the knowledge that bella is likely to sheep your vote per her implying as much makes it seem conveniently timed

[Cephrir]

hey cg, and feel free to ignore this question if the answer is no

are you sure you only get 100 words and not 100 different words

i was just thinking that's what i would have suggested if i saw that post restriction in a setup to make it more fun

[Cephrir]

Umm, so neighbourhoods should probably be sorted, no?

no

neighborhoods are a distraction just sort the players

the only thing a hood tells us is they probably aren't both scum, but even that is an assumption

[Cephrir]

How come all of the leading wagons in this game are really bad?

scum are either strong players or lurking imo

[Cephrir]

I mean, if you think I'm scum then I'm all ears.

Let's dance.

i like this attitude,

That's exactly what I need.

I just need to produce something fake but I need time to do it.

I haven't had any time at all to do it yet. But sure. I need time.

why do u keep holding back reads

u can just keep updating? why do u keep holdimg onto it like its the most precious pearl?

this is an absolutely valid criticism and i'd love to hear more about bbt's reads,

I was just about to move you up my list as well.

You just lost that privilege by dissing my reads list.

and i think this might come from town as well even tho threatening ppl with reads is prima facia scum motivated

[Cephrir]

still want to see more but my vote becomes more ephemeral by the second

[Cephrir]

Willing to talk Ceph, what you want?

Can you give me some words on any reads you feel relatively strongly about, perhaps?

[Cephrir]

One scum in Roden/BBT/Corwin is such an eclectic group to tie together. What interactions do they have that leads you to believe all this?

It was based on PoE, not interactions.

I'm rethinking my PoE based on Rad's point about Blue's activity levels, my new take last night that Roden is townie, and CSF's initial gut take that Corwin is townie.

Assuming that my PoE was wrong, which seems likely, there is at least one scum who is collecting town reads, and Corwin/BBT/Roden may be getting scapegoated to some extent. I think Ceph is a great example of a slot who fits what I'm looking for and is playing well within their scum range.

Noted collector of townreads in this game cephrir

[Cephrir]

I think that Cephrir is very good at making people feel bad about voting for him. As I mentioned before, I associate this with his scum game more than I do his town game. I feel like that is what is happening here.

Catching up but despite feeling Cephir was townie early on I'm starting to largely agree with this. Cephir's responses to Dunn aren't the best and it feels a bit like Cephir is deflecting there. Going from town to suspicious a bit, albeit still working my way through the past 10 pages or so.

Thanks for the hot take dude

[Cephrir]

Willing to talk Ceph, what you want?

Can you give me some words on any reads you feel relatively strongly about, perhaps?

I'm actually quite happy with what BBT produced before I made this post (which I had not read yet) and am not interested in voting him anymore

UNVOTE:

[Cephrir]

I would like to update my read list at some point

I would also love some space to get my foot in the door of playing the game. As you can all see i am distracted by the constant attention on me but i feel like if i could sit down and do some ISOs i would be able to become readable. I don't have time right now as I will soon be attending a wedding.

[Cephrir]

I'm townreading you as well BBT if that wasnt clear from my previous post on the matter

[Cephrir]

@Corwin

Not true, Luke and I both TR Mala slot. You can find the exact point I decided to rule out the Mala slot for D1 in my iso.

You want to help me out with that, because your mentions of mala in your iso go from "I have played scum with scum!Mala and town with scum!Mala and I admit their start seems a little different in this game." in 482, to town binning her for pooky's spreadsheet at 1260, to not mentioning her again a single time (at least by name) until just now.

This is possibly a contrived attempt at pretend-solving, I specifically decided to town bin Mala around the time I posted 482. That was my main motivation for sharing that comment in 482. Mala isn't mentioned again because I had no new takes on the slot. That's not difficult to understand. If you're town and this isn't pretend-solving, then stop shading my slot for no reason.

Holy shit dude, you made a read ~52 pages ago based on the start of the game, FoSed every other inactive player, and never looked twice at your very early read even given the "content" of her posts. And you don't think that's giving that slot a pass?

What's the difference between townreading and giving a pass? And why does this bother you so much?

[Cephrir]

Let me help you with your vca argument: counterwagons are a fake concept 99 times out of 100

[Cephrir]

Let me help you with your vca argument: counterwagons are a fake concept 99 times out of 100

Not true, while obviously not foolproof, they are often far more useful than that.

VCAs for example rarely have two competing scumwagons though it does happen, so in like approximately 78% of cases, if you flip scum. the cw is statistically highly likely to be town.

im not interested in an extended argument about how probability works since it invariably convinces no one of anything, so i will just stop at "that isn't how probability works"

[Cephrir]

Mala hasn’t really done jack except make an odd rvs vote on us and give an enthusiastic tr on Luke.

~~~~~~~~~~~tone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Cephrir]

granted ill reeval if mala continues to do nothing but im way happier with her than other low content slots right now so i can certainly understand how frogsterking arrived at the same conclusion

[Cephrir]

Mala hasn’t really done jack except make an odd rvs vote on us and give an enthusiastic tr on Luke.

~~~~~~~~~~~tone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Are you disagreeing with this?

no, im suggesting that what little she has done is readable

[Cephrir]

granted ill reeval if mala continues to do nothing but im way happier with her than other low content slots right now so i can certainly understand how frogsterking arrived at the same conclusion

Like it’s still early so could obviously mean anything but I was recently in a game with her where she did nothing as scum, so I’m not currently tr her.

So what other low content slots are you concerned with? I haven’t read anything that happened yesterday, unless someone thinks there’s something I need to see.

uh let's see

dwlee has done nothing that i've noticed
corwin has just started playing and i'm eh on what they've produced so far
the toad is someone i have 0 impression of
i guess enchant made me smile once?
CG don't have to play today because post restriction
johnny i think i liked at one point but very much in need of review
penguinpower probably has more irrelevant posts than relevant ones

[Cephrir]

Mala hasn’t really done jack except make an odd rvs vote on us and give an enthusiastic tr on Luke.

~~~~~~~~~~~tone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Are you disagreeing with this?

no, im suggesting that what little she has done is readable

I don’t sr anything she’s posted but I don’t have any kind of read on her yet.

that's fine, but i do

[Cephrir]

it's ok t-bone we can go make our own little encampment on Correct Island and throw rocks at everyone else

[Cephrir]

JF and enchant both malding that it's them^

[Cephrir]

Pooky does that as scum too, tho usually later in the game. Sometimes as cover while calling other ppl lazy.
I’m correcting the record.

How many games as scum vs. town though? I’ve hydra’d with him a lot and he usually doesn’t effort this much as scum. especially since he’s not trying to control the game or push an agenda.

We’re on the same page(mostly played with Pooky scum)

But he didn’t do anything in Pokemon. Pooky rarely efforts like this as scum. He isn’t trying to control the game or push any kind of agenda, so what’s his motive here if scum?

i won't suggest that he's just doing this to look busy - he's too good to need such a lame tactic

however, i think it's at least possible that he's just doing this because it entertains him, and i think that doing whatever sounds fun to him explains much of pooky's motivation as any alignment

[Cephrir]

Mal townreads dweelee for a pooky vote??? @Mal state your beef w/Pookington

that's Sir Pookington IV to you

[Cephrir]

After doing some reading, I am narrowed down where I want to move my vote to either Corwinoid and The Toad, but struggling to decided between the two.

Maybe they should just be dueling wagons?

poke one of them with something sharp and see if the results make you want to swap or not

[Cephrir]

Okay, I had been debating writing up a "I think that pooky would totally be down for doing this whole spread sheet thing as scum, because as scum he is not really reading the thread too closely, but this gives him a nice excuse to be active and posting, and look town, while really just having to keep an eye out for massive reads lists -- Plus, it is clear that pooky just had the idea that a massive table would be cool and I think he could both have that idea and decide to follow through with it as either alignment --- and like all in all, it is

probably[/i still more likely to come from town pooky, but I don't think people should just write him off as town just for it" But decided it wasn't worth it since, it felt like a lot to put out there to just land on "still leaning town, but don't forever bin"

But, I actually find that catch about his reads changing quietly on the spreadsheet as ++town for him.

Also, Rad moves from "town enough for day 1" to Town for finding that.

yeah that's not bad Sir Pookington IV can live today

[Cephrir]

you would expect someone who clearly has a reputation for being decent at this game to be a leader here

im not really a leader

sometimes i take the reins after all the natural leaders are dead

but most of the time i prefer to follow and am generally not good at persuading others to my point of view

[Cephrir]

When will Ceph start playing? Has he started now?

kinda

[Cephrir]

his post about me at 1493

the subtext is for you to consider being less easily pocketed, not advice to scum

[Cephrir]

his 1493 which I leaned towards a scum motivation

also, consider: if i were scum, i would just do what i posted rather than post it

[Cephrir]

It makes me doubt my reads and is thus anti-town.

i think we have a philosophical disagreement here

i think questioning your reads to make sure you haven't missed something and rethinking from a different angle are good things that result in accuracy

anyway i'll read the toad now

[Cephrir]

this is gonna be a pile of waffles i think

this feels like the first time ive gotten a town role pm in a large theme in ages

@The Toad - is this a more or less wolfy way of announcing you're town than what I did?

Less.

Is there a reason you asked me this? If you think I should be scumreading Pooky wouldn't it be more effective to wait and see how I would respond to him naturally without suggesting what I 'should' be doing?

Why would I ask someone else? You claimed my entry was wolfy. I wanted to see your take on them claiming they were town in a different way. I don't think you should necessarily read them as scum. Where did I say that? That's an interesting conclusion you're drawing from a simple question.

It's pretty heavily implied by the context - the 'more or less wolfy' part in particular only makes sense if you expect me to find it wolfy to some degree. Not sure where you're going with this reply.

VOTE: Cephrir

Think Rad has confidence, seems more like newish town than scum imo. Happy to opportunistically hop on the flashwagon

toad's entrance is mainly focused on getting distracted by this nothing argument. i was going to suggest that i don't really see how his read on rad turned all the way around with only two posts from rad neither of which i find tremendously interesting in between, but toad does address this later so instead i'll just write this paragraph to prove i had a thought process. to tack onto a later point, the last bit of this post reads uncomfortably self aware to me

VOTE: Cephrir

Think Rad has confidence, seems more like newish town than scum imo.

Happy to opportunistically hop on the flashwagon

Which posts gave you this feeling?

The read change is a bit surprising, since these posts gave me the impression that you didn't like Rad's posts:

Spoiler:

this feels like the first time ive gotten a town role pm in a large theme in ages

@The Toad - is this a more or less wolfy way of announcing you're town than what I did?

Less.

Is there a reason you asked me this? If you think I should be scumreading Pooky wouldn't it be more effective to wait and see how I would respond to him naturally without suggesting what I 'should' be doing?

this feels like the first time ive gotten a town role pm in a large theme in ages

@The Toad - is this a more or less wolfy way of announcing you're town than what I did?

Less.

Is there a reason you asked me this? If you think I should be scumreading Pooky wouldn't it be more effective to wait and see how I would respond to him naturally without suggesting what I 'should' be doing?

Why would I ask someone else? You claimed my entry was wolfy. I wanted to see your take on them claiming they were town in a different way. I don't think you should necessarily read them as scum. Where did I say that? That's an interesting conclusion you're drawing from a simple question.

It's pretty heavily implied by the context - the 'more or less wolfy' part in particular only makes sense if you expect me to find it wolfy to some degree.

Not sure where you're going with this reply.

VOTE: The toad

Saying stuff like 'if toad is town they must be hyper paranoid' is what I'm referring to.

Do you think changing an early game read is more likely to come from mafia?

VOTE: Cat scratch fever

i was planning to attack this post when i quoted it but actually i kinda like it now
i think i believe they thought this hard about the "hyper paranoid town" rad post because thinking a lot about that post is reflected in toad's trajectory

why are you voting for CSF?

dislike the vote+no one scummier yet

liked that they didn't try to invent a fancy reason that sounds nice here. it also lines up with them later calling their own CSF vote omgus, since this reasoning is obviously weak

Marci feels genuine I think, I'm not sure about scum bbt yet but 724 from dunnstral feels towny too

im noticing that this person has a bunch of townreads and few scumreads which might be genuine due to its lopsidedness i guess? idk im trying to make meaning out of very little here

Yeah it's that

I know I'm supposed to scumread Cat as well but tbh my vote on her was pretty much omgus because I didn't have anywhere to push or any scumreads and I wanted to press her vote, she's kind of fine

already pointed out but this post is really self aware, not just the supposed to but also the dissing their own read

in conclusion, idk

[Cephrir]

excuse me while i get out my chainsaw

And again you should know I'm not the kind of player who can only lurk as scum and can't look town. What's up with that?

What do you mean? Have we played together before?

I don't really get what you mean by "my treatment of you" either, I just think your posts have been scummy. I don't really have any questions I want to ask you, and I'm not particularly interested in casing you, I preferred Frog and now Ceph over you and I can just get to you on a day I consider you a higher priority. It's the same reason I'm not going after C&G atm even though I scum read them and have a case set aside in my drafts. I don't want to juggle multiple cases on Day 1 when it's already overwhelming enough to keep up with everything else in the game.

I am interested in how you react to my scum read though, that's basically my way of sorting you in the meantime. Because as it is now, you didn't really have an opinion on me at all until you were asked to. I think you had me at Null for Pooky's read list request, which implies that my read on you didn't factor much into your own reads for the longest time.

Not too keen on this post. I've been suspicious of Toad at times but I think they asked you some fairly reasonable questions and this feels like an evasive response - why would you not be interested in potentially casing or questioning someone who you think is mafia? If you think Toad is scum, then you've got a perfect chance here to explore that idea further, especially when it appears to be a thought you've had pretty consistently.

Is there some question other than the quoted one that's being evaded here? It looks answered enough to me. This post feels to me like the conclusion ("I'm going to attack Roden now") came before the substance... Roden can be interested in whatever he damn well feels like

VOTE: Roden

Feeling alright about Roden as possible scum at the moment.

Looking back and their reads list feels quite weak - the town section is quite generic with the exception of maybe Gaston. They have three SRs, one of whom is Toad, who their case against seems pretty weak, with C&G being another, again a SR that doesn't say much given their posting restriction.

While I'm reluctant to go too heavily on associatives early on I think Roden/Galron is a possible team - Roden's defence of Galron when they came under pressure didn't do much for me and felt like the type of early defence a scum teammate could easily make for their buddy.

the first sentence of this is unnecessary/stilted

looking back at his readlist to find something to criticize -- which is *obviously* what happened here -- is weak ass shit. if it wasn't coming from putting the cart before the horse, you should've had a bigger problem with the list that had only galron in the scum region (i don't remember who posted this)
the criticism of a c&g scumread to me seems to come from someone who is not critically thinking about roden's posts -- roden JUST said they have a C&G case in their drafts, so why not ask to see it before going on the attack over that read being poor?

this isn't really relevant to my point but unflipped associatives are a waste of time and mainly have the effect of looking busy

VOTE: Malcolm

[Cephrir]

excuse me while i get out my chainsaw

Didn't you call me like uncomfortably self aware for basically the exact thing

it's possible that this is your personality; it is certainly mine, i was reading yours in an awkward way but :shrug:

[Cephrir]

why isn't the thread drowning under a metric fuckload of Math posts yet

not that i want that to happen

[Cephrir]

Math reasonless 5 names can be scum even if impossible together

~Titus

Bell
Lukewarm
2-3 people on the Cephrir wagon at start

If only two then someone pushing me on replace in.

I like don’t have reads on half the game. So not sure what this serves

Gauging your accuracy. :/ I kinda get Luke but he obvtowns with Rad comments. Bell is just nope.

don't understand why you expect so much from math when he openly hasnt read the game yet

im tempted to vote this slot mainly for refusing to explain why penguin's reads aren't good

[Cephrir]

but you have to call me best bird now

No, bad bird. you’re either clearly not reading my posts or Titus might not be wrong. No way you still sr us here.

~N

Your slot literally called my reads bad, but then said my town reads were good, and when pressed said 4 reads were bad, and then when i asked why the scum reads were bad i was met with responses other then actually helping me understand.

Sorry - help me out here.

I really don’t know how but what’s already in my ISO. Do you seriously think I’m playing anything like I did when I replaced Lilith in that game here?

Like I pushed an flaming obvtown slot - Mena. Like Idk how you cannnot see the difference here? I didn’t try to do any actual solving in that game.

I did like your trs, yes but in addition to knowing your read on us is wrong, I pretty much lock tr OtH. Marci has a distinct alignment-based posting style and Mala gets huge town points for mindmelding with me on that. Also Gamma has a really good meta read on both of our heads.

As for the rest, this is obviously town!Dunn. He’s been really solving and he’s not trying to control the gamestate or push any kind of agenda. Taly is like they were in insect game/Anything uPick/Slaughter Hour. CSF is really bring super solvey as well and that’s extremely town indicative for her.

Did I leave anyone out? can’t remember?

~N

Did he read this post? Obviously not, he’s ignoring very clear evidence that I’m town here.

i may regret asking this but... what clear evidence?

[Cephrir]

more like Dancing Puppets (a hydra of Meta and VCA)

[Cephrir]

you all know that DNA isn't shorter than C&G right

[Cephrir]

go to bed lukewarm

[Cephrir]

To anyone who has meta on me but I also think my play here has been extremely protown. No one currently sr me has probably even looked at my scumgames and Penguin claims not to remember.

i guess we disagree about what clear evidence is

fwiw i think the extent of your reliance on meta is quite extreme; not that that is a bad thing, but i don't think it's fair to expect everyone else to also play from a meta-first viewpoint

[Cephrir]

@ProfessorDrapion

What are you a professor of and why did you choose that field?

I will be determining your alignment based solely on your answer to this question (no, really, I'm not joking)

[Cephrir]

you know, if we can't figure out who is scum (and i'm not alone in struggling to find scumreads) we can always punt today by eliminating enchant and try again tomorrow

[Cephrir]

oh, and something i thought of a while ago but i feel like throwing out there now - the scumteam being undersized combined with the bastard element makes me suspicious about an alignment change mechanic

[Cephrir]

To anyone who has meta on me but I also think my play here has been extremely protown. No one currently sr me has probably even looked at my scumgames and Penguin claims not to remember.

i guess we disagree about what clear evidence is

fwiw i think the extent of your reliance on meta is quite extreme; not that that is a bad thing, but i don't think it's fair to expect everyone else to also play from a meta-first viewpoint

It’s not just meta, I think my play has been very obviously protown, so the only reason it looks as to why I’m suddenly being sr is that I didn’t have a chill reaction to bird’s scumread on me because I seriously would expect him to not seriously be this horrible at reading me.

Hm.

1. I personally don't think your play has been very obviously protown, but that's ok. I am also currently misreading you if you're town, if that helps you forgive Bird for it.
2. I'm not sure I think you being scumread by the thread in general is particularly sudden? i guess pooky's spreadsheet can confirm/deny whether my impression is correct though

[Cephrir]

you know, if we can't figure out who is scum (and i'm not alone in struggling to find scumreads) we can always punt today by eliminating enchant and try again tomorrow

Why do you suggest this? I hate being this far behind.

enchant is enchant, he isn't going to do anything or become readable, and since i'm struggling to find legit scumreads i'm starting to think he could be one of the missing pieces

[Cephrir]

pooklist 2.0

town
BlueBloodedToffee?
Malakittens
Frogsterking
Rad
Lukewarm
Best Bird PenguinPower??
Klick??
Bell
Cat Scratch Fever humaneatingmonkey
T-Bone

null
PookyTheMagicalBear
ProfessorDrapion Galron
MathBlade (corwin)
Roden
The toad
Bellaphant
Dunnstral
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)

scum
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Taly Toogeloo?
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)?
Enchant
Dwlee99?
JohnnyFarrar
MalcolmTucker?

VOTE: Johnny

kinda active lurks a lot, and having to do isos to get into the game even tho he is present and paying attention for all of it is curious
there's a lot of liking things or disliking things & consensusy reads, not a lot of thought behind them

[Cephrir]

where is marci?

[Cephrir]

Why frog ceph

he stopped being rational

[Cephrir]

Also confidence on CSF?

kinda high... i'm buying the argument that their scum meta is to not do anything

[Cephrir]

Why frog ceph

he stopped being rational

When was he ever?

~Titus

he was making sense for the first, i dunno, 30 pages maybe

[Cephrir]

it's more like i recently played a town game with him where he was certifiably insane, so i was sus at the start because there was a complete shift, but now he's at least returned to being erratic. it could be an intentional change after he was suspected for this reason tho

i guess i could look into whether he actually makes more sense as scum

[Cephrir]

it's more like i recently played a town game with him where he was certifiably insane, so i was sus at the start because there was a complete shift, but now he's at least returned to being erratic. it could be an intentional change after he was suspected for this reason tho

i guess i could look into whether he actually makes more sense as scum

I've watched him play scum

he made very little sense

Well shit

[Cephrir]

@ProfessorDrapion

What are you a professor of and why did you choose that field?

I will be determining your alignment based solely on your answer to this question (no, really, I'm not joking)

I am the Professor of many things.
Why take one field when I can take multiple fields.

The Quick Thinker
The Motivator
The Pokémon Specialist
The Supplier
And many more.

ok they're town everyone pack it up we're done here

[Cephrir]

...(that's a little condescending )

Also, people are really a lot more aware of their reads status than I am, generally? That's you, Luke and bbt that's bought it up.

Shit was I coming across as condescending? Sorry that wasn't my intent at all!

I'm very aware of the reads that came from pooky's collection and I think the heavy town reads absolutely need to be the focus of scum here. Any possible slip up of heavy town reads should be immediately pounced on by scum if town doesn't do it for them. Not saying it necessarily makes players who pounce scum, but it needs to happen one way or the other. So I'm definitely interested in focusing on people who may opportunistically jump at me for my DP read and the fact that you could but didn't screams townie to me.

i don't agree with this; i expect the approach scum are taking to you/luke is going to be to shoot you in the face, not dig a hole for themselves trying to get you scumread

[Cephrir]

malcolm => null

why aren't there more johnny votes?

[Cephrir]

i guess you all can chase your tails about meta for 30 more pages if you want but i feel like we could just vote johnny instead

[Cephrir]

ok

VOTE: math

[Cephrir]

i don't

[Cephrir]

Ngl

I’m starting to warm up to math being town

because they're salty? i don't agree at all

[Cephrir]

I mean I'll eat my words over the Taly slot but Roden + Dwlee still lack defenders.

does that make them scum or does it make them easy pushes

also professordrapion is so town on 153 + 154 it hurts

[Cephrir]

alright i'll spend the next 30 minutes updating the spreadsheet - I'm kind of lazy ngl.

here's where it's at right now:



give me your updates.

i posted a second version a bit ago and i don't think it got changed

[Cephrir]

i want to kill one of math/DP/Johnny

im not sure why that feels impossible

[Cephrir]

what changes do I need to add to yours

bbt, bird, klick, drapion town
malc null
enchant, dwlee, taly, math, johnny scum

[Cephrir]

i want to kill one of math/DP/Johnny

im not sure why that feels impossible

Not interested in Roden today, ceph?

i could compromise there if i had to but i'm not done trying to do my stuff yet

[Cephrir]

i was surprised i had evaded the omgus this long

[Cephrir]

i was surprised i had evaded the omgus this long

That’s entirely up to you bud.

ur funny

[Cephrir]

VOTE: dunn

i had the same thought about dunn's post. i'm not 100% sure it was a slip, but it could have been.

I am of the opinion that Bernard should claim if he exists.

If no one claims masons with Roden, we kill Roden.

If someone does, we kill

Dunn

Klick.

Fify. If Dunn is scum, it's with Roden but that's moonlogic paranoia.

~Titus

A Dunn/Roden team here makes so little sense as to defy belief. I don't think you are trying to solve this game.

Yeah I'm not going to bother trying to keep up at this point, 70 pages is too much.

I can vaguely tell there's a wagon on me. I'm claiming Mason.

Masons in a game with also a bunch of neighborhoods?

Sure. Why not? Maybe there's a Traffic Analyst or something.

Okay, am I in completely different world than the rest of you or are some people being completely anti-town in their approach here?

No, you're right. Every objection to letting Bernard stay hidden is easily defeated by a decent crumb. Furthermore, the mod suggested there is some way to learn dead roles, such as a coroner, and there is also some way to talk to the dead, leaving multiple avenues by which a dead Bernard could expose a liar.

If Roden mislimmed as town and scum somehow shots remaining mason at night, we are bonked hard.

Or we aren’t because then invests don’t die?
Like? No?

What point if mafia waltz in mason claim on almost confirmed status.

They’d have to explain how they are masons with Roden. It’d be an insanely high ridiculous bar and they’d have to show crumbs/evidence before this post

So they’d have to be planning it before Roden’s masons claim

It wouldn’t work

Dunn already showed no one could be masons. In fact....

VOTE: Roden

Like, what is this? Who does this?

What.

They're scum. Hope that helps!

Hey guys I'm sorry, I actually read Bell as scum by tone/intuition in two places now and I'm going to jump on it.

VOTE: Bell

There are two specific posts which Bell soft pinged red for me which I can elaborate on if you want.

@Pooky

Bell -> scum
Roden -> null

Frogsterking this is not what we are doing right now please pay attention.

[Cephrir]

In case no one read my post, I am strongly against Bernard outing. As long as Roden agrees to ensure they crumb effectively.

[Cephrir]

Just clears two people so why would we not do that?

This also ties into my early game theory of some neighbourhoods being opposite alignment.

I mean this is likely the case by probability but it remains literally random.

[Cephrir]

How do you recommend we proceed from here?

You are voting Math, is that still what you want?

Or Johnny or DP. Whichever y'all are willing to vote.

[Cephrir]

i am a little tempted to let you have your dunn wagon too, i suppose.

[Cephrir]

How do you recommend we proceed from here?

You are voting Math, is that still what you want?

Or Johnny or DP. Whichever y'all are willing to vote.

I asked because of the confidence you had behind calling Titus scum in that post.

And I am struggling to see how you could see Math and Nancy as partnered this game

i was exaggerating a little to achieve mild humor

i don't do associatives until i flip one scum

[Cephrir]

How do you recommend we proceed from here?

You are voting Math, is that still what you want?

Or Johnny or

DP

. Whichever y'all are willing to vote.

I still don’t understand why Johnny is scum?

he has a lot of posts and none of them are useful or make me think he's town. :shrug:

[Cephrir]

Wait, hold on. Roles are not revealed upon death so it's surely +EV for scum to NOT have the Mason claim? If it's a fake claim, and only one of them claim, then they get a ride off of it. If it's fake, two scum would have to claim Mason to make it viable, no?

What is the downside to Mason claiming if it's true?

a lot of players seem to be struggling with this concept: masons being dead isn't good

they should easily be able to construct an unassailable crumb. like, spell out their name with the last letter of the second word in each post multiple times, or something

[Cephrir]

Wait, hold on. Roles are not revealed upon death so it's surely +EV for scum to NOT have the Mason claim? If it's a fake claim, and only one of them claim, then they get a ride off of it. If it's fake, two scum would have to claim Mason to make it viable, no?

What is the downside to Mason claiming if it's true?

a lot of players seem to be struggling with this concept:

masons being dead isn't good

they should easily be able to construct an unassailable crumb. like, spell out their name with the last letter of the second word in each post multiple times, or something

By the same token, if Roden is lying then scum being alive is also very much not good.

yes, but i don't think he's likely to be lying. rose and bernard are exactly the best mason claim possible by flavor, too

[Cephrir]

Masons are hardly game breaking either so to assume they would be insta killed is kind of like, meh?

An unassailable crumb would be difficult to find, no?

the surviving partner should be told about the crumb in the PT so they can point it out

[Cephrir]

I need to reISO Dunn agan but people are sr for saying mason claim is fake, correct?

no - 4116

[Cephrir]

ok frogsterking

[Cephrir]

generally you want to do the exact opposite of whatever town!Math advocates.

it's true that math is wrong sometimes but we can evaluate his points on a case by case basis rather than writing him off entirely

[Cephrir]

I actually wouldn't mind a Mason claim (it's not me)

Being able to tie Roden to someone and potentially getting 1 to 2 conf towns would be good for reads in general right now, since we're all kind of struggling

bad post c:

[Cephrir]

generally you want to do the exact opposite of whatever town!Math advocates.

it's true that math is wrong sometimes but we can evaluate his points on a case by case basis rather than writing him off entirely

I know he’s wrong on us if you even care about that and I still don’t see why Johnny’s scum? So tldr, your d1 kill list sucks.

you can disagree with someone without saying their opinions suck

im certainly not about to spend the game ignoring mathblade even if he does turn out to have had a single incorrect read on you

[Cephrir]

pagetop

[Cephrir]

generally you want to do the exact opposite of whatever town!Math advocates.

it's true that math is wrong sometimes but we can evaluate his points on a case by case basis rather than writing him off entirely

I know he’s wrong on us if you even care about that and I still don’t see why Johnny’s scum? So tldr, your d1 kill list sucks.

you can disagree with someone without saying their opinions suck

im certainly not about to spend the game ignoring mathblade even if he does turn out to have had a single incorrect read on you

I said specifically that I think your d1 kill list sucks. I’m not saying that but he did tr two scums in PYP. It’s true he sometimes does have good reads like in the mini normal. All I know is his read on us is wrong.

thanks i appreciate the constructive criticism

[Cephrir]

Mathblade are you willing to vote Ceph for your VCA info or whatever?

I don’t think Ceph is scum. I would need someone to talk with me about why he is. I think you’re a much better vote to figure out what happened at day open.

Are you sure that on some level you aren't reacting emotionally to having a 0% success rate on determining my alignment?

I am pretty poor at hunting everyone so I fail to see your point here?

I think there is something quirky about the way you read the game which causes you to be <random in the initial stages of the game, and then become rapidly >random as the game progresses, and the consequence is that other players are sometimes less willing to listen because of the bad early reads.

Rather than be resigned to it I think you can try to overcome it. One way you can try to overcome the early game weakness is by trusting others. For example, it's blatantly clear to me that Ceph is attempting to pocket you now by telling you what (he thinks) you want to hear.

yes it is impossible that i think most players are worth hearing out truly a ridiculous take from me

[Cephrir]

generally you want to do the exact opposite of whatever town!Math advocates.

it's true that math is wrong sometimes but we can evaluate his points on a case by case basis rather than writing him off entirely

I know he’s wrong on us if you even care about that and I still don’t see why Johnny’s scum? So tldr, your d1 kill list sucks.

you can disagree with someone without saying their opinions suck

im certainly not about to spend the game ignoring mathblade even if he does turn out to have had a single incorrect read on you

Why this position on MB versus your position on Mastina?

math is capable of giving explanations such that you can see how he got where he got

i don't have time to read mastina's posts that say "because i said so" 30 different ways; also, i was playing up my hostility towards mastina in that game to distance from her

[Cephrir]

i wish i could filter out posts that are rehashing other games that aren't relevant to this one

[Cephrir]

IMO Ceph is blatantly attempting to pocket MathBlade right now as well as flamebaiting everyone.

do you disagree that math's posts are worthy of being read? otherwise, can you kindly cease inserting yourself into my lines of questioning?

[Cephrir]

IMO Ceph is blatantly attempting to pocket MathBlade right now as well as flamebaiting everyone.

IMO Ceph is blatantly attempting to pocket MathBlade right now as well as flamebaiting everyone.

do you disagree that math's posts are worthy of being read? otherwise, can you kindly cease inserting yourself into my lines of questioning?

@Ceph, who’s arguing they’re not but I can see what Frog is saying because it does look like you’re laying it on a bit thick.

It’s kind’ve ironic considering his earlier argument that Pooky was obviously pocketing me when he clearly wasn’t.

if i were trying to pocket math i would have removed my vote from him by now

[Cephrir]

IMO Ceph is blatantly attempting to pocket MathBlade right now as well as flamebaiting everyone.

do you disagree that math's posts are worthy of being read? otherwise, can you kindly cease inserting yourself into my lines of questioning?

Aka flamebaiting, Ceph attempting to create town v town bickering etc.

im literally just asking you to stop discrediting while im in the midst of a conversation that has nothing to do with you and little to do with your point

[Cephrir]

because i think he is likely to be scum

[Cephrir]

because i think he is likely to be scum

So you like his takes but still sr him? I don’t follow?

i didn't say i liked his takes, this is all stemming from your assertion that we should do the opposite of whatever town math advocates as an attempt to discredit his suspicion of you

i happen to agree with his opinion about your alignment but that has nothing to do with any reasons he has given for it, and i am not pairing the two of you anyway so that does not bother me

[Cephrir]

because i think he is likely to be scum

So you like his takes but still sr him? I don’t follow?

i didn't say i liked his takes, this is all stemming from your assertion that we should do the opposite of whatever town math advocates as an attempt to discredit his suspicion of you

i happen to agree with his opinion about your alignment but that has nothing to do with any reasons he has given for it, and i am not pairing the two of you anyway so that does not bother me

He is literally the only one who didn’t have a completely bs reason for sr us, so I think you might actually be scum for this and are attempting to chain miselims.

i don't particularly care whether you think i'm scum for suspecting you (yes, this is a discredit, no need to point it out)

[Cephrir]

Also wtf is an 'active poster '? Basically a third of the game have 100-200 posts but there are a bunch wildly above that and a good cluster below .

Someone in the wildly above side influencing the game.

It’s unfortunately subjective.

Does Ceph + Johnny count?

please cite your sources on either of those names having any influence on the game whatsoever

[Cephrir]

in order to line up lims i would need to pick targets that are possible to lim, which unfortunately you are not at this time

[Cephrir]

also fun fact: you don't get to decide which reasons for scumreading you are allowed

[Cephrir]

in order to line up lims i would need to pick targets that are possible to lim, which unfortunately you are not at this time

No, that’s obviously why you’re voting Math and if you can’t get him, Johnny and should both of those flip green, you will then hardpush us? Amirite?

i dont know what answer you could possibly expect to this question other than no, so i guess it's grandstanding

idk what those players will flip but in all likelihood my reads will continue to change as i get new information, just like they have already done repeatedly during this game day

[Cephrir]

yknow i can't say ive ever actually seen scum line up lims on purpose unless there was a false mech guilty involved. the game has too much flux for that to ever work

[Cephrir]

in order to line up lims i would need to pick targets that are possible to lim, which unfortunately you are not at this time

No, that’s obviously why you’re voting Math and if you can’t get him, Johnny and should both of those flip green, you will then hardpush us? Amirite?

i dont know what answer you could possibly expect to this question other than no, so i guess it's grandstanding

idk what those players will flip but in all likelihood my reads will continue to change as i get new information, just like they have already done repeatedly during this game day

i wonder why this post said "should" instead of "when" since if this is my master plan i surely know they will flip green. maybe you already know that won't happen? :3

(im aware this point is flimsy and i shouldn't have even bothered to post it thank you in advance frog)

[Cephrir]

:shrug:

[Cephrir]

But I’ll throw this in the ring as well. I recall someone’s argument for Roden!scum as the lack of slots coming to his defense. Specifically NO ONE coming to their defense. That’s just a sentence or two, do with that what you will.

Titus is still iffy on Roden but will reacess on Ceph if he’s town. She wanted me to post that. I probably didn’t phrase it right.

She said something about Math and Frog as well. What Frog has jack to do with any of it, don’t ask me.

Clarifying this. I think Roden's claim is shit. However, if I am wrong, I am persuaded by Frog's posting on Cephrir, which likely makes him town. It also makes me doubt my TR on Math in that setup as the early VCA where we melded could have been buddying.

On a side note, feeling pretty powerless IRL so that might impact my reads.

~Titus

Maybe I spoke too soon about lining up elims not being common :3

Roden is town, so those of you who decided I must be scum if he isn't for voodoo reasons should get on with it and try to run me up again.

[Cephrir]

Glad we outed that for no reason, terrible job everyone

[Cephrir]

pooktavius are you capable of corralling this unruly town into a vote that makes sense

im kind of concerned by the lack of anything you are doing

[Cephrir]

The resistance to the claim continues to ping me as odd. We have no known way mechanically to either tie the players together or confirm them post mortem. So like...???

Masons are barely a town utility role anyway who cares?

i think it's quite a strong role

[Cephrir]

ok

[Cephrir]

Just going to throw this out there, hydras are > than rand more likely to either targeted or NK’d early. So why do you think OtH is likely to be scum? What about their posting do you sr? @Cephir

hydras are more likely to be targeted probably yes. so?

Wdym by this Cephrir?

~GE

? seems pretty straightforward to me but

they suggested that hydras should not be suspected because they are likely nightkills

i agreed that they are likely nightkills and also said that i don't think that matters vis a vis whether we should suspect them. if i may editorialize, it's another example in a pattern of DP indirectly arguing they should be above suspicion

[Cephrir]

Discussion was:
Me: I want to be Rose instead of Bernard
Roden: okay
Roden: let's make a complicated crumb <plan here>
Me: wow cool crumb let's do it
Me: wow game move fast
Roden: true but you're townie you're fine
Me: oh you had to claim should I claim now
Roden: some kind of response
Me: okay I'll claim cause everyone says I have to even though I don't want to

Is it antitown to share that plan? To demonstrate you had it?

im curious as to why this is important to you, i can't see how it matters but perhaps you have a reason

[Cephrir]

oh are we still pretending they could both be scum

i dont think anyone thinks that

[Cephrir]

Discussion was:
Me: I want to be Rose instead of Bernard
Roden: okay
Roden: let's make a complicated crumb <plan here>
Me: wow cool crumb let's do it
Me: wow game move fast
Roden: true but you're townie you're fine
Me: oh you had to claim should I claim now
Roden: some kind of response
Me: okay I'll claim cause everyone says I have to even though I don't want to

Is it antitown to share that plan? To demonstrate you had it?

im curious as to why this is important to you, i can't see how it matters but perhaps you have a reason

mathblade is hard at work "sorting" the claimed mason pair because he has to pretend he's doing something

right that is why i asked

[Cephrir]

Discussion was:
Me: I want to be Rose instead of Bernard
Roden: okay
Roden: let's make a complicated crumb <plan here>
Me: wow cool crumb let's do it
Me: wow game move fast
Roden: true but you're townie you're fine
Me: oh you had to claim should I claim now
Roden: some kind of response
Me: okay I'll claim cause everyone says I have to even though I don't want to

Is it antitown to share that plan? To demonstrate you had it?

im curious as to why this is important to you, i can't see how it matters but perhaps you have a reason

mathblade is hard at work "sorting" the claimed mason pair because he has to pretend he's doing something

right that is why i asked

bro you literally asking a bank robber why they're looting a vault

maybe the bank robber is just misunderstood! (or maybe i can tear apart their flimsy explanation and use it against them in court)

[Cephrir]

someone other than mathblade explain to me how this mathblade response makes any sense

completely demolishes your point with facts and logic (/s it's an excuse that doesn't hold up under the slightest scrutiny)

[Cephrir]

i would understand it if there were evidence of corwin having played for C&G but i don't think there is evidence of that unless math would like to provide some

[Cephrir]

DP has accidentally drawn my attention to the following

I've hardcore skimmed the last however many pages and read MathBlade's ISO, and he just looks lost to me. Can you explain what were DNA's reads, and what are yours - I remember Bell and ...? Summarize the hood discussion for us plz, that might help me see why you're townreading DNA. Also how caught up are you

Is Klick still town? What's the VC? I don't know anything anymore

I already established that I only share reads with consent.

I don’t just announce things without permission especially while one head is catching up.

G head thinks that Bell is back null because their acting better but votes are weird.

Frog is erratic (their word)

Klick is null

I don’t know which reads I can and can’t share because they didn’t want certain reads shared

why did you expect the masons to share their reads & summarize their discussion if you don't agree that doing so is good play?

& P.S. did you ever try to secure their permission to summarize your discussion?

[Cephrir]

PD not DP*