LOST (Game Over)

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UNVOTE:

Just kidding.

Cephrir cancel your gladiate let's kill mathblade.

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I forgot, can't glaiates be canceled. I distinctly remember this being the case in fate grand order.

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Sorry I had the thought while rolling around. Back to bed.
If Cephrir says we can tho. I say give Pooky his thing or kill MB. I would prefer MB.

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Bell, I thought you scum read taly.

What changed ?

I got shook. But if they can't cancel they can't cancel.

VOTE: Taly

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Like there was no reason for Cephrir to even use his ability here.


The entire ability itself and the timing of the ability is fucking wolfy.

The timing of their ability: 240 pages d1.
Highly suspect.

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Though some of the reasoning to clear cephrir is flawed, yeh.

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Bell, I thought you scum read taly.

What changed ?

I got shook. But if they can't cancel they can't cancel.

VOTE: Taly

dude, im going to be very honest, you saying that youve encouraged me to give perspective in this PT is absolutely not my experience, especially given the fact that ive even mentioned my struggling to keep up with the game in our PT.

i dont know what you were solving and looking for with me, but i cant say you took me with anything less than tons of caution and suspicion.

pedit

oh, then what was it? please enlighten me because this entire scenario appears to benefit you largely, coming from one of the people who voted you.

Cephrir's initial vote was before the vote count was reset, so it didn't count. I let him know.

so what do you think about this gladiate?

I verbatim encouraged you to give your perspective in the game thread

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I don't disagree that yeah, Cephrir's gladiate was designed to kill Taly because they did literally focus group the most scum read player
It just so happens that Cephrir is also just that sort of timid guy. So it fits too.

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I don't disagree that yeah, Cephrir's gladiate was designed to kill Taly because they did literally focus group the most scum read player
It just so happens that Cephrir is also just that sort of timid guy. So it fits too.

so what about my personality this game suggest scum? because that's how you're excusing

Cephrir's

behavior here.

What is the scum intent?

Please read my posts.

I genuinely believe I am a mislim to take heat off of 1, likelier 2 scumbuddies within

mala/frogs

.

You got weeded for activity, not cause of your personality. You replaced into this game.

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In what world did I suggest your personality had to do with you being scum?
In what world am I *excusing* Cephrir's behavior. I'm pointing out my perspective and one possible narrative. It fits for cephrir to do this as either alignment. It's not a distinctly scum-motivated move. You're right that it's false that it's risky and that some players have failed on the logic train. But you're arguing with me about their reads. Which is inexplicable. Well it actually makes perfect sense since you're just engaging now and I'm around, but like. It's not something I can answer. Go interrogate them. I don't usually engage with every bad statement a player makes.

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Okay.
I'll be around. But I have no further questions.
Whether I gave you a chance or not is irrelevant to anything but my and your ego.
I don't think it's wrong for you to shake people here so I won't complain.

Pedit: just go and do your stuff Taly.

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It's cool. Team work makes the dream work. No one is an island etc etc.
Likewise, I could be scum coasting maybe in response o you that would have resulted in me going off track or acting weird if I were scum here.

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I do think taly looks townier now.
Not enough to no lim. But mission accomplished.
Not sure what the point of ragging on Ceph is here Pooky. Unless you're trying to like reaction test them into being apologetic versus fake-scum stubborn

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I do think taly looks townier now.
Not enough to no lim. But mission accomplished.
Not sure what the point of ragging on Ceph is here Pooky. Unless you're trying to like reaction test them into being apologetic versus fake-scum stubborn

i am expressing my tilt at the gladiate

Er, is there a specific number of times you need to give them a hard time about this because it has been *checks watch* hours since this happened.

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Oh for fucks sake.

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K. Let's agree to disagree and if you could take the game to night I'd appreciate it *looks at everyone with big sad eyes*

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Sure.

1. Toog: Asked us to be understanding of their condition. Asked me to summarize the game as a favor since they can't keep up. Asked if I knew anything about their role. additionally, they stated they only knew that I was their neighbor not hat my alignment was.

2. Taly: Apologized for outing us as neighbors. Said helo.
They asked what I thought of Tbone. Acknowledged trust was low in slot.

Ah I have to go will switch to phone post this part.

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1. Taly said they see two narratives for Pooky. They can’t read enchant.
Asked if I could understand or empathize with Tbone’s positions.
Stated wanting to get my reads with less noise and how it was a waste not to use the PT.
2. Thought I was posturing when I told them there was a subset of players that would probably hard town read me.
3. Didn’t like that there were two wagons and they were both slow to topple. Took the pace of the game into account.
Didn’t like BBT’s posting but left a bookmark there.
4. They asked me why I wasn’t actively trying to kill them if i couldn’t read them/why I wasn’t pressuring them.
5. They asked if they wanted a dead neighborhood.
6. Wrote a post about how they wanted to approach me and that they felt I was rejecting them. They weren’t wrong.
7. Game2fast cmlt. Dunn dropped for Mason push. Thought Luke’s positioning felt opportunistic but hedged.

That’s it pretty much.

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We need to go back.

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Cases are scummy.

-brain death.

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I wanted them to post. If they wouldn’t they should die.
Only posted when pushed in a gladiate. #life.

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It’s D1. There is rarely if ever a case worthy of the name. Funnily enough there was one because of Frogster. But that’s kind of it. I’ll take the blame on being wrong there(I mean not that it’s my choice in the first place). I didn’t think their claim through. I still think it was a bad claim for scum to make and don’t see the inherent value in claiming a role cop in this game. But that really should have been the starting point toward investigation and instead I didn’t.

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None of my posts are sticking to people's ears this game.

Pretty much.
They posted in the PT but It was mostly hedged reads and seemed to have a semi-genuine reach out with me. Which failed.

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When I get time and a computer I will give my paraphrasing of the PT

For the best honestly. My reporting is self-sabotaging at best.

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Perhaps I am being too demanding when I ask for a full scum case on Taly from whoever is advocating for Taly to get killed here.

I will lower the bar for those who want to kill Taly.

Give me your single most compelling reason to believe Taly is mafia here.

They hedged in a PT.
Toog implied their role was more inherently townie than it really was in the game thread.
They stated they wanted less noise so wanted to talk in a PT.
They replaced into a game and then went inactive. When usually people who replace into games have the time to replace into them.
Cognitive load(I’m aware this game is exceptional, but if I unthinkingly apply it, it works).

There I made up a case I don’t even believe In. Because of a town case that I feel is stronger that can be summed up in “they’re being very emotional and I don’t think it’s fake because reasons 1-9.

Even you initially were upset not because Taly was going to be killed, but because it derailed your frogster wagon and his reaction spewed that the gladiate was tvt. An assumptions on top of an assumption.

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All your reads were basically pinned with a “I’ll get back to this”

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BBT, Lukewarm, etc.

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It’s a personal idiosyncrasy, I usually have reasoning for why every player might be scum or town.
It’s just my way to weigh narratives and decide which is the most plausible.

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that's why your accuracy rate is so bad bell

Say this to LLD. I double bear dare you.

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that's why your accuracy rate is so bad bell

Say this to LLD. I double bear dare you.

her accuracy rate is pretty good

I can’t tell if you missed the joke or not Pooky. But the cases are scummy saying was a joke.

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I acknowledge that my accuracy is middling to poor, not for lack of trying. But I’ve said this before.

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I was just about to say how utterly off it is that MB is voting no lim here.

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i am willing to vote for taly as long as we get to yeet tbone tommorrow if taly flips town

if taly flips scum you guys can do whatever the fuck ya'all want i dont give a shit

Sure. I’ll gladly do this.
I dunno why you changed your mind on frog and Math, or think they’re more likely, but okie.

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Sorry Taly, we will crusade in your name though.

I will only crusade for Taly if they flip scum.
Because that would be funny.

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No.

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More explicitly @Bell. Part of me thinks Frog was gloating a bit about dodging the lim after Ceph did the gladiate. What did you think about that?

I wasn’t sure. It was something I thought about. But it’s basically a “open croaking?” Wifom tunnel. Where you’re trying to guess at their boundaries and their perspective.

Exercise: Frog is scum.
I guess I should go for the plausible deniability sarcasm angle when I’m communicating too bad, you should have played better I’m within my rights to get away as that is my win condition

Or

Sarcastic yes, pooky you’re right, you got me. It’s real too bad. That I got away with that harhar here is my contempt for you and your tunnel. I will mock you just to make you feel bad because of how bad you are.

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Is this worth discussing before a flip.

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I’ve had to stop myself from challenging every incorrect or questionable statement and argument. But it genuinely won’t move the game forward nor make anyone happy. So I think it best just not to.

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there are 7 people not voting.

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Perhaps I am being too demanding when I ask for a full scum case on Taly from whoever is advocating for Taly to get killed here.

I will lower the bar for those who want to kill Taly.

Give me your single most compelling reason to believe Taly is mafia here.

They hedged in a PT.
Toog implied their role was more inherently townie than it really was in the game thread.
They stated they wanted less noise so wanted to talk in a PT.
They replaced into a game and then went inactive. When usually people who replace into games have the time to replace into them.
Cognitive load(I’m aware this game is exceptional, but if I unthinkingly apply it, it works).

There I made up a case I don’t even believe In. Because of a town case that I feel is stronger that can be summed up in “they’re being very emotional and I don’t think it’s fake because reasons 1-9.

Even you initially were upset not because Taly was going to be killed, but because it derailed your frogster wagon and his reaction spewed that the gladiate was tvt. An assumptions on top of an assumption.

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I believed some of that at the time though.

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Well math blade I feel like you should lead by example.

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I really can’t emphasize enough that my reasoning is that I suspected Taly, and then they got gladiated and their posting got better.
So they look more town now, but not enough that I think they’re more town than Ceph and I don’t trust the available information enough to no elim. Because I can be wrong with the level of my analysis.
It was always going to be the case that we would likely eliminate town accidentally day one. In fact that’s the case most of the time in general.

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Sorry what happened now?

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Desiring control over anything in a game that has parallels to congress is a recipe for unhappiness.

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When things get all sludgy like this it's best just to solve and be satisfied with your own efforts.

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You know, the opposite of progress.

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*deep breath*
Okay I get the anger. Sort of.

I'm just going to push for Taly's death now if nothing has changed.


Can we please eliminate Taly thank you.

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If you're reading this, please vote Taly, you don't need to read the last 300 pages.

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*deep breath*
Okay I get the anger. Sort of.

I'm just going to push for Taly's death now if nothing has changed.


Can we please eliminate Taly thank you.

No, we will not eliminate obvious town.

You'll cope. You've probably compromised worse on less important things.

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I'm here for this.

Professor, is there some reason you're just trolling me at this point?

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Because all I can see is that you're trolling me at this point. Because you know better. You've played mafia for years right?
You'll live.

I hope.

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I'm here, this thread can't get worse if you want to play a game of wills I'm happy to.

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I'm here for this.

Professor, is there some reason you're just trolling me at this point?

Not trolling.
I’ll legit pressure you hard tomorrow if Cephrir flips wolf even though the day will end on either Math/Frog because lol spewed wolf there by Cephrir but I will make sure your heard as potential wolf as well.

I don't care. Your own absolutism means that the joke is on you for pushing me because you misread me.

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Because all I can see is that you're trolling me at this point. Because you know better. You've played mafia for years right?
You'll live.

I hope.

I’ll prosper if we vote Cephrir.
I’ll tell you that much.


And trust me if your town you want me to prosper, if your wolf you don’t want me to prosper at all.

So each time you refuse the call or keep calling me a troll it’ll keep admitting your wolf with the fear.
So if your not wolf I suggest you follow me on this one.

I love confidence gaming and asking people to trust them in a game of deception.
Tell me more about it. Tell me more about how you're talking out of every side of your mouth all at once.

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Vote Taly.

@JF: I can't tell if you're open wolfing.

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You haven't given a compelling reason for why they're town.
In fact, I gave reasons for why they were scum and town and you've largely just said meta. Like, don't get me wrong you're statistically likely to be right.
But that's it. It's empty.

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Feel better MB. Sorry. Stay safe, eat, well. go to the hospital if your condition respiratory system is becoming compromised.

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Vote Taly.

@JF: I can't tell if you're open wolfing.

I think he’s saying he thinks your wolf.

I was referring to his post about calling Taly obv town by quoting their post and that was it. It could have been a wry statement. Because otherwise it doesn't make a lot of sense in context.


@Taly, I'll read it. But unless it's an IC claim I hope it's just your funeral reads.

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You haven't given a compelling reason for why they're town.
In fact, I gave reasons for why they were scum and town and you've largely just said meta. Like, don't get me wrong you're statistically likely to be right.
But that's it. It's empty.

When did I say Meta?
I said I was against Meta?
Did you not read me when I explained that the initial Taly wagon started was extremely wolf motivated?

Was talking to Nancy.

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8 Taly (Dunnstral, Cephrir, Frogsterking, Klick, MalcolmTucker, RCEnigma, Roden, Bell)
8 Cephrir (ProfessorDrapion, JohnnyFarrar, Taly, Off the Hook, T-Bone, Lukewarm, PookyTheMagicalBear, Rad)

I think it's right here now.

If No Lim absolutely isn’t happening, I’ll switch to Ceph but I still strongly prefer no lim because I don’t think Ceph is scum.

It's not happening.

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Also I’m gonna steal this point from Math even thought he might be wolf informed Taly is Town.


if Taly flips town scum aren’t accountable
And if Taly flips town no one gets town cred except maybe one player

@Bell

You need to realize we get more out of Cephrir, if you can’t then you either need to rethink and re-eval allot of your reads or at least some. Or your a wolf, so what’s it gonna be?

I'd like you to prove this. I'd like you to write a book on it with an empirical rationale. But it's goose lint.

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What 180 on Taly?

Btw I tested positive for covid so I likely won’t be active very much

v/la until sometime

I probably will make the posting once or twice a day but effort is hard

Well I’m willing to bet the game they’re town and it’s now looking like a No Lim isn’t going to happen, which really sucks, because I think we’re killing a townie either way. :/

There are other races to bet on. Vote Ceph or Taly. I'll take a Ceph vote.

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9 Cephrir (ProfessorDrapion, JohnnyFarrar, Taly, Off the Hook, T-Bone, Lukewarm, PookyTheMagicalBear, Rad, Dancing Puppets)
8 Taly (Dunnstral, Cephrir, Frogsterking, Klick, MalcolmTucker, RCEnigma, Roden, Bell)

What 180 on Taly?

I thought you flipped your read on them, if I misunderstood you, please feel free to correct me on that.

I have no read

My top theory is she is scum but that’s a theory

back it up with a vote im tired of this fencesitting

I am fine fencesitting tyvm

I hope you'll forgive me for tunneling you. Because I am going to hell tunnel you.

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While it doesn't make sense for Cephrir to have "taken a risk" by gladiating Taly.
It also doesn't make sense for Cephrir to reduce their activity in the face of massive resistance. It's self-defeating for scum t take their approach.

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Are you claiming that you're informed and know that one neighbor gets a boost from killing the other or are you just failing to apply Ockham's razor.

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Are you claiming that you're informed and know that one neighbor gets a boost from killing the other or are you just failing to apply Ockham's razor.

Idk you tell me?
What do you get?

Nothing. Because I don't get a reward for killing Taly other than removing a player from the list day 1 which provides further information.
Cephrir being a better one given the bizzarre hard defense of Taly isn't really true from my perspective. You have a big 3 sided wagon. Of apathetics/Kill ceph's/Kill Taly's/no eliminates. It's actually more information than you usually get.
Early game it's relatively true that Cephrir was the more revealing of the kills. Though to be honest I'm not clear how much given my interactions with them. I do think a Cephrir town flip makes more sense there.

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When did the gladiate start? Like page 140 or something. Half the game has been Taly's wagon. True Cephrir had two wagons.

Basically your selling point that Cephrir dying reveals a lot about my alignment isn't relavent to me because I already know my alignment. Even if Ceph is wolf it won't really change that.

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Taly please. Thank you.

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I am temporarily embarrassed.

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If wolves manage to ML Taly here and night kill me then win the game flawlessly or almost flawlessly And I was correct on at least most things, I expect every town to give me a 100+ word apology.

This is vaguely worded. No deal. I hate writing.

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I think the polite thing to do is just make your argument/case once and then, while we all know repeating arguments makes them more persuasive or whatever, we don't do that since it becomes hard to sort the pages with genuine content and everything else.
I say this like I haven't done this exact same thing before. But maybe I'll learn some day.

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The easiest miselim for wolves would have been enchant. There's a shirt at the kiosk with their name and everything.

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The easiest miselim for wolves would have been enchant. There's a shirt at the kiosk with their name and everything.

Which I shut down fucking hard because Frog starting it.


REALLY funny your bringing it up huh?

Potential Frog - You Wolf partner equity I see yes indeed.

You're.

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Okay sure.

VOTE: Cephrir

I don't like it though.

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Let's close the day.

Thank you for your participation and enthusiasm.

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Spoiler:

Low key excited to see if I misread Cephrir or not. I think they're town here and I know it isn't logical to be excited to learn about it but oh well!

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Sorry Ceph.

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95ish words. If you don't count the numbers.

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on reflection

I am willing to move T-Bone to town

and recommend we eliminate Mathblade / Frogster

Seriously?

Cool, I didn't agree with it much anyway.

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Are you just saying that scum could *hypothetically it would be bad~* for scum to role block Dun and kill the person that could confirm them. Or better yet role block frog and shoot dun.

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...I'm bad at mech. So I'm going to guess this is incorrect because you would need to be tremendously bad at the game not to figure that out.

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I'm brilliant. I solved the puzzle. *knocks two triangles together*

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VOTE: Mathblade

LOL @Frog town.

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I don't trust my ability to read either of those people.

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Lol DP so much for high info flip.

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Jealousy.

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Not following why Bella is feeling better about Roden. That mystery is solved for the most part.
I guess they missed the claim.

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Lol DP so much for high info flip.

You mean Titus? Gamma and me wanted no lim. I felt both were town and we gave scum a free miselim.

DoctorDrapion said Cephrir would be a high info flip.
Their drawn conclusions from that flip are bad. esp. Because most of those interactions or info would be around my approach to Cephrir which was pretty distinct.
and hten they just didn't budge on it. They got exactly 0% further into solving the game from that flip. Unless they're scum. In which case they got exactly 0% further into solving the game that flip.

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Sorry, I meant PD, not DP.

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I mean, you came into this day fully aware that the whole game was going to tunnel you.
Also sorry you're still feeling sick.

[Bell]

I'd support a Professor wagon, but I would need to check what Gaunine's thoughts are before committing to a vote.
~Cytosine

If this wasn't RH, I would consider this another Red flag post.

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@Taly, hi what?

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I mean, you came into this day fully aware that the whole game was going to tunnel you.
Also sorry you're still feeling sick.

Yes.

Which in a game where a majority of people are “shocked” at the flips
Then decide to tunnel me anyways?

I am pointing out this isn’t right.

Would you say that it's...a conspiracy?

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Just an fyi I'm not going to push or try to kill Taly.
I tried that yesterday. Nothing has significantly changed but if Nancy wants to bet the game on it.
Then I'm happy to hand off total responsibility for that one to her.

I'll just treat her like town now, k? k.

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Nah, I like to point out what I'm looking for and then point out that I didn't bite because I ain't no low hanging fruit picker tyvm.
RH is just considerate an really will delay moves for their partner.

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Did anything happen in the PT to reaffirm the read?

It was better, but no. They just picked up a bit in posting.
If you believe in town slips (I don't), they forgot Roden claimed mason.
It'd be funny if Bella and Taly are both town that forgot or didn't see Roden claim.

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Yes, folks. There really were 3 whole pages of us going back and forth on the game, memes, what our favorite icecream was and what boys and girls we liked. We also had a confessional where I griped for a while.

@Good night Taly.

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To be frank if you don't have some revelation after Dunn, Frog, and Ceph flipped town.
I really doubt that flipping BBT will help you solve the game.

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I counted 96.
I counted the times they used words for numbers. But didn't count naked votes or post that were just filled with numbers.

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To be frank if you don't have some revelation after Dunn, Frog, and Ceph flipped town.
I really doubt that flipping BBT will help you solve the game.

That sounds like a you issue.

I work differently than you.

I find the scum narrative.

Due to all the chaos that’s hard to find.

BBT was mid-low tied in activity. Mutual scumread

Likely flips scum

Aren't I scum? It's not an issue for me at all from that angle.

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BBT isn't a bad vote.

[Bell]

So did you you and math do any solving in the neighborhood or was it just "town that got limmed scum read them and their activity was meh"

[Bell]

To be fair Mathblade is in fact incapable of hunting when pushed.
I think they just get stuck defending themselves and can't do both.

[Bell]

What's the spread like? Did RH9 post the most?

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They didn't ask what the penalty was and math didn't ask or else they would have asked what the penalty was and got an answer/made up an answer.

[Bell]

the mod probly doesnt care enough to count or give out a penalty for being like 2 words over

*puts Pooky back into the toy box*

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Sorry, but I don't think either of you can read the other and based on what I'm hearing. neither of you had especially high standards or interest in sorting the other preferring to sort outside of it.
You not only sorted each other, but took steps to helping one another that's a level of confidence day 1 that I would never have without an outright role claim that supports them significantly or a very productive chat.

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I don't.
Also I didn't knw johnny was in a PT with T-bone.

[Bell]

Was the posting any better in the hood or was it all just...whatever their posts are this game in main thread?
I may never get over some of their posts this game. They seem potentially informed/sarcastic.

[Bell]

....Why is that ridiculous MB?

[Bell]

Why is ridiculous for scum to fake claim being in a neighborhood with another scum in a game in which nobody's roles flip on death?

[Bell]

I genuinely can't imagine town shooting Dunnstral. At least not without game throwing accusations being sent their way for shooting a heavily implied FN.
Frog makes sense from an emotional perspective from Pooky's exhortations. I have a bad feeling Frogster's role was important to the game tho.

Oh well. I would have called for Frog blood if they were alive anyway just to appease the bear, so I can't complain too much. Though I heavily preferred an MB shot and the vig ignored my scum day plea which is just typical.

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I am known for my brilliant tennis back hand swing and uppercut.

[Bell]

Yes, you have precisely located how the scum team is probably feeling.
The next step:
Who was feeling that way?

*Stares directly at math*

[Bell]

Math, you gave so little of a shit that you voted Taly, vote for a no lim and then voted for Cephirir all while saying you didn't really give a shit and had run out of sppons.

[Bell]

Yes, you have precisely located how the scum team is probably feeling.
The next step:
Who was feeling that way?

*Stares directly at math*

??

We don’t know how the scum team is feeling as we don’t know who they are.

As I said we couldn’t get wagons going yesterday.

People were pushing their own little theories and not talking

I was wagoned because I tried to make people talk.

I was wagoned Corwin wasn’t.

Reason I was a threat to scum

You just did IOA. Except the part where you said " I was wagoned because the scum feared me and my ability to get people to work together. They needed to break cohesion therefore I was pushed."
But your main push yesterday was me which you stated as primarily done not because you personaly thought I was scum but because they did, you were basically acting as a proxy and didn't point the finger at anybody on your own.
Except for today whee you voted BBT for the following case: "I'm sheeping town. They aren't very active" putting you again in the blameless position.

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Let’s just skip to the wagon disperse part and have actual productive conversations about BBT and/or other possible scum slots.

Sure, why do you find them wolfy?

My number one rule of good scum is when town is miselimming themselves don’t fuck it up.

So that means we need to figure out who was quiet as the yellers are mostly flipped and green.

"We don't know who the scum are so we don't know how they were feeling" -Mathblade.
"The scum team are quiet because all of the loud people are dead (Luke, Bell, Pooky, Nancy are not loud apparently??) - Also mathblade.

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I am analyzing things.

I just don’t start assuming the question.

Information ans analysis are equal.

My point is you can’t assume one way or another

I know I am town

I know because people think I suck I don’t get wagoned unless I am a threat

I didn’t have firm reads so what was I doing

I was unifying town to talk

Therefore I was wagoned for that reason

"If people think I suck, they won't wagon me"
"But I was wagoned therefore I didn't suck and was on the right track. "
The people who wagoned me were: " "
"The scum team thinks I suck, therefore when I was right they thought I would be convincing or be able to turn the game around showing they don't think I suck"
"People think I suck, but they wouldn't go for a miselim on me unless I was right because: ______(free miselims are too good for the scum team this game)?
"I think X and Y are the most suspicious pushers of my wagon"

[Bell]

If people think you suck, they will also think over people think you suck and they don't think people will listen to you.
If they don't think people will listen to you, then there's no reason to kill you.
Except scum need miselims and you were a perfectly serviceable one. But your logic is that scum only attack you when you're on the right track.
Or in this case trying to reduce town friction. But they could just be pushing you because you're convenient.

You're saying that you won't point the finger at particular people who wagoned you but that you'll make the general statement that people are scum.
I will point out that this has the angle of not having to deal with omgus.

[Bell]

Hi Mislim bait so you joined the game without reading the game first?

[Bell]

I am going to try to go to bed again and

hope people actually talk reads

Rather than repeat the same silliness of d1 and expect different results

Doing the same thing and expecting different results has a definition…let’s call it unintelligence

I am talking reads. I'm scum reading you, I made a case.
Good night.

[Bell]

Neighborhoods:

Luke+Malcolm.
Bell+Taly
T-bone+Johnny.
Mathblade + T+G
Roden+Dwlee.

dunno who else, but that's close to half the game.

[Bell]

I am going to try to go to bed again and

hope people actually talk reads

Rather than repeat the same silliness of d1 and expect different results

Doing the same thing and expecting different results has a definition…let’s call it unintelligence

I am talking reads. I'm scum reading you, I made a case.
Good night.

Imho you didn’t

You not understanding me is not a case

It’s you don’t understand me

Which hooray almost impossible

You're redefining what a case is. you're arguing that unless the party is guilty than it's not a case. As not understanding someone in this context, is not "you are misinterpreting a specific word I said" but that "you are misinterpreting you as a whole"
Your opinion is wrong on a fundamental level. Because your definition of a case is wrong.
A case is an argument for why someone is town or scum. It does not imply accuracy.

[Bell]

better analogy: This is like saying the prosecution doesn't have a case, because they don't understand the defense. smh.

[Bell]

The only wagon at day start that I can remember is Cephrir's. Which we know wasn't a good wagon because they flipped town.

[Bell]

1 reason is simply that people are still digesting the flips/turning up to learn about the flips here + getting results.

2. It's not a reason why we shouldn't, but the reasoning you're using for Taly as a potential reason to flip her isn't solid.

[Bell]

Did you scumslip a premeditated push?

Yes

[Bell]

I'm getting stuck in that loop of challenging everything people say that isn't up to snuff.
I'm going to back off Mathblade for now, but my case on them stands.

[Bell]

Aren't all pushes premeditated in forum mafia.

That's cool MB game we'll be here in the morning and you probably won't be dead.

[Bell]

Math: I was wagoned by scum because they saw me as a threat

Luke: that makes no sense based on the time line of the wagon. Like factually wrong.

Math: **furiously looks back at the time line for a way to call Luke scum**

Math said they were being pushed for X.
Lukewarm went back and found that they posted X after being pushed.
Math found a post that sort of fit what they were saying about X before that point.
But actually that one too was posted after being wagoned.
Mathblade accused Lukewarm of a premeditated push because they got pressured while saying they were catching up earlier in the game during their review of the posts Luke was talking about. Math dropped the previous subject about them forgetting the order of events.

Aside: people's memories are garbage and we tend to sort the pieces in whatever way is most flattering to our egos. This one was a classic example of that, maybe.

[Bell]

You guys are absolute suckers for taking Enchant's IC claim even semi-seriously.

[Bell]

I'm not shocked that Johnny's only contribution to this day phase after 3 flips is to be defensive.

[Bell]

I'm like 80% sure Math is town and BBT is scum. Dunn was shot N1. He was the first voter on BBT. Math has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way. He's easy to provoke. The other voter on BBT is a mason.

Flipping BBT also completely reveals the gamestate D1.

Will read up later.

~Titus

*Puts Titus back into the toy box*
*Takes Pooky out of the toy box*

[Bell]

Think of it as the opposite of the bat signal.

[Bell]

I want to see a Pooky bat signal now.

[Bell]

You're out of the toy box.

[Bell]

I can't tell if BBT is copying me, Nacho, and Cabd.

[Bell]

You're using langauge and sayings that other players usually use:

Cabd: "Yomi: Level zero".
Bell: "Tell me more (super aggro)"
Nacho: "Town as fuck"

[Bell]

None of the constant spamming of the same opinion please. We had that yesterday.

[Bell]

Get a room.

[Bell]

STD has confirmed the IC thing is bogus, so maybe revote there?

Btw, extremely solid on Taly!town here. I hard veto any votes on them.

This is the only veto I'm going to accept this game from your slot.
You can stop campaigning for it.

[Bell]

STD has confirmed the IC thing is bogus, so maybe revote there?

Btw, extremely solid on Taly!town here. I hard veto any votes on them.

This is the only veto I'm going to accept this game from your slot.
You can stop campaigning for it.

I have other ones like OtH, so I will veto anyone I hard tr.

If you want to play alone this game, okay.

[Bell]

My understanding of a veto is that it means to completely ignore anyone else's opinion and in your case make it impossible for the player to be eliminated through spamming.

[Bell]

GE is scum reading me and has been for awhile I think.
Marci probably disagrees.

[Bell]

I doubt BBT even managed to find the mason claim at all.

You can add Taly to that list Luke.

[Bell]

We just need one more and we'll have the whole scum team.

@Puppets. It's a joke. A bunch of players are saying they either missed or forgot who the masons were. Luke is going on with the gag that it must be because they're all scum, because in a narrow sort of view, not remembering who a mason is, is a convenient way to vote them with deniability.

[Bell]

GE is scum reading me and has been for awhile I think.
Marci probably disagrees.

nah idk abt u

ur prwmetty pretty useless this game tho so that kinda sorta made me WANT to agree with gamma

Excuse me? I'm useless every game. Take that back.

[Bell]

i can just FEEL the useless vibes radiating off of u

it feels more so than in that one game where u were confirmed town for whatever reason. i think i remember u actually sat down and TRIED at one point..

*stares at 549 posts*
Yeah sure okay. This makes sense. You make sense. I haven't been trying and I haven't taken a single position or been arguing with people all game.
You don't have to acknowledge if you don't want. I'm fine.
This is fine.

[Bell]

Not caught up but was thinking about the games gamestate last night

Did scum kill frogger, Dunn, or none of the above?

Ignoring that last option just based on probability.

If scum killed Frogger, they were really worried about the cop thing? Because he was a wild card and didn'tagree to a leash? I can't imagine that was too frightening a prospect considering several of us were talking about wanting them dead. So, based on that thought, I'm looking for scum that are either paranoid or inexperienced.

OR

If scum killed Dunn, his mystery power was frightening? Or he was onto someone. Again, both of these would have to outweigh the fact that he was suspected yesterday and that suspicion very well could have continued into today. So based on that, looking for someone paranoid, inexperienced, or suspected by Dunn

These two profiles are similar enough that I think I can narrow it down. I'm also less interested in the top wagons from yesterday, because if scum were featured heavily there I don't think they'd be brave enough to make that pool smaller

They killed Dunnstral. He softed a friendly neighbor role and the masons aren't doing much which is fine. their existence itself is helpful and I don't feel very lost right now so I don't need a shining leader on a hill to direct me.
A vig killed Frog.

[Bell]

I doubt BBT even managed to find the mason claim at all.

You can add Taly to that list Luke.

what makes you say Taly forgot the masons?

~GE

Neighborhood, they didn't understand why I was town reading Roden and asked me about it.
they lamented they forget the important stuff sometimes.

[Bell]

GE is scum reading me and has been for awhile I think.
Marci probably disagrees.

nah idk abt u

ur prwmetty pretty useless this game tho so that kinda sorta made me WANT to agree with gamma

Excuse me? I'm useless every game. Take that back.

idk about thaaat
haven't you said this before?

~GE

I have made this joke before yes. Except there's a lot of truth to that joke if you think about my play as much as I have.

[Bell]

My point specifically is that 1 veto only seems particularly scum-driven in order to mitigate DP's ability to interfere with Bell's pushes. I don't really feel that Bell should be specifically granting DP a veto and the fact that you're pushing that I am is strange.

I don't have much idea why, but it feels like because you didn't disagree or you didn't care how frustrated Luke and I were at Nancy spamming the thread saying taly was town. But there's your explanation. I gave up. There wee a lot of people calling Taly town.
and you just ignored the case I made on them and called it empty when I least made a case. Unlike PD, Nancy, Johnny, etc who just went "so town" over and over.

[Bell]

I'm making an exception and I don't really hard scum read Taly anyway.
They were very much a "I STRONGLY PREFER TALY TO CEPHRIR WHO I THINK IS TOWN AND NO LIM ISN'T an OPTION"
before just getting fed up and voting cephrir out.

This isn't difficult.

[Bell]

it feels like this push on math is scum motivated.

i think everyone was content to just shade corwin before, (sort of like how johnnys being treated) but now that mathblades repped in it feels like people are like "oh shit"

wake up please everybody, you just keep letting johnny slide by unchecked.
this is an obv move to save johnny imo

Overall I think cephrir seems town
He’s doing a bit more interesting stuff than I think he would as scum

~GE

VOTE: taly
im not really confident taly would be scum, i think theyve been trying their hardest. but we need an elim for info and i think it doesnt make sense for cephiriridiidiriri as scum to do this shit cuz if we landed on him instead of taly he basically did it to himself and scum dont want that sort of shit

I’m gonna have to accelerate to the part where I ISO Taly vs. doing the other ones I have from the main requests

~GE

that said tho

GUYS I LOWKEY FEEL SO BAD FOR TALY I JUST THINK THEYRE DISMOTIVATED TOWN NOW FHJEISIS

I also get no sense Taly is scum from his ISO so I’m at the very least baffled by the fact he was SR so much
Seems like he legitimately did get FoSed for lesser thread presence given his thoughts seem insightful, he just probably didn’t get to speak up as often and his voice got drowned out

~GE

it is just neighbor and i don't think that's an insignificant role.

This tracks with prior position Taly has held if anyone was wondering

~GE

Why is Taly town?

Because he’s actually trying to exert influence over the game vs. hoping to ride out the insane activity level

~GE

im better read post-D1.

Cephrir’s Taly gladiate is absolute dogshit given this

~GE

Has Taly claimed?

Neighbor with you???

I’m like 99% on Bell being scum here

~GE

Technically, couldn't we just not vote and let the time run out?

I wish we could vote on skipping a day or something?

Dude are you crazy?

Why is that crazy?

*takes Rad aside*
Between eliminating someone day 1 and not eliminating someone day 1 which one do you think benefits town the most?

Yup this is scum. I just hit 100% confidence on this read. Shea’s Among Us 100% contradicts this PoV.

~GE

Chances are we elim a town today. Why is it crazy to skip? Explain to me with logic.

You have to sacrifice the lamb

This is such a dogshit scum post. Like it’s not even fucking subtle!

~GE

I find it wild that the counter argument to townreads on Taly is “we have to vote SOMEONE”

~GE

Yup this is scum. I just hit 100% confidence on this read. Shea’s Among Us 100% contradicts this PoV.

~GE

What does this mean?

Town FUCKING DOMINATED a game where a no yeet happened Day 1. Bell was scum in that game too. I’m betting that game is in his memory and is why he’s against abstaining here!

~GE

VOTE: no lim

Was the timing of cephrir's gladiator coincided with saving frogs from being eliminated? Cause if so they could be partners

It effectively saved Frogster, Mala, Dunn, Johnny (I think those four had the most votes)

good to get this cleared up, I had asked who the wagons were earlier
btw was ceph a wagon at the time? I don't believe he was and my gears are turning on a certain thought

~GE

[Bell]

You voted Taly,
then iso'd them.
Then changed your mind.
and cased them on speculation while also shading a bunch of town in the middle of all of it.

I'd say that's suspicious, but it's par for the course for GE tbh.

[Bell]

How do you feel about Mathblade BBT.

[Bell]

i think drapions town what do u think gamma? : DD

I honestly don't know atp
there's like 3 or 4 players going out of their way to misrepresent either me or other people
That leaves me wanting to think anyone else who is not doing so is town

~GE

This is deeply wrong headed.

[Bell]

By voting them they increased their viability.
It's like bumping a thread you're interested in, but with votes.

[Bell]

1. Don't remove yourself from the list.
2. Don't do this.
3. Elaborate on how Mathblade has made the pool smaller. Elaborate on the reasoning why MB might want to go attack BBT when they know in the day coming in they're going to be wagoned.
4. Why are you removing C&G by extension?
5.
a. Sure. Possibly wrong but sure.
b. Scum team can alter Rad's decision making. so don't really get it. It depends on how assertive Rad is, though I also think it was a relatively plain kill. Dunn was participating more than either Dwlee or Roden and likely was going to confirm himself. It wasn't a very paranoid or controversial kill in my opinion. Though I think they would have been better off killing the masons. But they don't have to deal with the mason's in thread. While they would have with Dunn.
c. A mystery novel take.
6. This is really assuming that the scum team wanted to gamble on Dunn not being able to confirm himself. It might point to them not having a role blocker role tho. I wouldn't know for sure.

[Bell]

I feel bad for Gamma if they're town because they're wasting their time on an incorrect read.

[Bell]

Are you taking your stress out on me OTH?
Please don't.

[Bell]

Makes sense to me.

[Bell]

That was at OTH not Rad.

[Bell]

Kind request: Please put all requests that the replacement for Mathblade be spared for the day so that they can catch up into this box.

Spoiler: Box

No

[Bell]

What is interesting is that most of the leading wagons this game have been on town - which means scum are driving the narrative of the game really well.

Of course, people won't look at certain other people because meta or some other BS until it gets to D4 or something and they start to open their eyes.

This meta circle jerk that goes on makes the game extremely difficult to play and difficult to insert myself into. I simply have to wait until meta players decide to reevaluate or even consider other viewpoints. It's usually too late by then though, it also gives scum players a great place to hide.

Don't get it, town are perfectly capable of eating themselves alive without scum input.

[Bell]

You don't.

But simultaneously saying you bet someone will flip town without attempting to a) try and stop it or b) redirect elsewhere is scummy as shit. It's basically a told you so in waiting in the case of Town!Math to look good.

Nah, I do this as town all the time. In fact, I did it this game with Cephrir.

[Bell]

I'm curious why BBT isn't pushing a scum read.

[Bell]

Yes.

[Bell]

I am getting tired of all the emotional baggage people are directing at me this game.
I'm not your punching bag.

[Bell]

bell do u think im scum

Not really.

@BBT: Aren't you voting mathblade while essentially being apathetic about them?

[Bell]

And what's your case on klick/Miselim?

[Bell]

bell do u think im scum

Not really.

@BBT: Aren't you voting mathblade while essentially being apathetic about them?

do u think rad is scum

Yes.

And what's your case on klick/Miselim?

ISO me

Fair.

[Bell]

Yes

why?

No idea.

[Bell]

bell : (

who do u have a phat read on then?

Mathblade.

@BBT: Eh.

[Bell]

Mathblade

explain

Iso my last 50 posts.

[Bell]

VOTE: Tactical error

[Bell]

Enchant, they've been consistently opposed to a Taly lim, like 98% of the time. This is way above average for a typical player. Saying that because they omitted one opposition that was unlikely to tip the scales, means they're scum is a bad argument.

[Bell]

Oh yes Enchant is mafia for this.

[Bell]

*checks role pm*

Oh Yes enchant is mafia for this.

*checks role pm again*

This is bullshit.

[Bell]

What? I already pointed out that your logic is bad. You could still be right!
Just not for the reasons you stated.

And also yeah. You feel a little off this game but I'm currently in an exclusive relationship with MB.
If you're scum and MB isn't I imagine I'll get some shit for this, but that's for another day (phase)!

[Bell]

You said that it was weird that Dancing puppets didn't give you a hard time when you voted Taly.
Unlike everyone else who she gave a hard time to.

I pointed out that if someone is very consistent with calling people out and one whole time they don't this is evidence that they've been consistent not that they've been inconsistent.

[Bell]

I guess i die with this belief.

The cross you bear

[Bell]

What? I already pointed out that your logic is bad. You could still be right!
Just not for the reasons you stated.

And also yeah. You feel a little off this game but I'm currently in an exclusive relationship with MB.
If you're scum and MB isn't I imagine I'll get some shit for this, but that's for another day (phase)!

No he couldn’t.

Shush

[Bell]

You're.

[Bell]

Because i am town duh, everyone simple shrug off my death and say i deserved it.

It works for me, but I also put a token apology in there sometimes. But I don't really mean it.

[Bell]

They're joking Rad.
But really, they are the hardest worker I know. I've never seen someone so devout to the shrine of wasted efficiency and commitment to promethean tasks.

[Bell]

I think I meant Sisyphean tasks.

[Bell]

10 words or less is my motto.
They showed they shaded you after you voted Taly the first time.
Repeatedly.
So you were even factually incorrect.
They can sue you for not properly confirming the authenticity of your remarks you know.
You're going to inaccuracy jail.

[Bell]

It's a disagreement I have with Luke and a few others this game.
I iso'd you once and then reiso'd you basically realized I can't really say much but that your vibes are wrong. I'm pretty much waiting for you to either slip up or change my mind.
Shouldn't be hard given how you appear to be trying to get town read in your way.

I don't feel much need to engage with luke on this read right now. Since my focus is pretty much Mathblade while kind of just sie swiping at people I'm suspicious of.
I do think T-bone's read of me is more natural, trajectory wise, than yours is.
But I don't think either of you have provided a rationale for the read.

Speaking of. I have no idea what C&G are doing this game. They're not playing anything like I'd expect unless Ircher is entirely running the show and choosing to appear moderately scummy for some reason.

[Bell]

Without the dreaded meta, I'd probably have spite voted them. Since their chat restriction has barely if at all improved their posting.
Which makes less than zero sense give Guanine's personality being one I would expect to have more substantial, concrete opinions and actions than they have deliberately declined to have this game.
Frankly, it sux.

[Bell]

@luke, I disagree that Rad is town.

I dunno why C&g is playing how they are this game, but I doubt they haven’t seen my shade directed their way.
They’re intentionally ignoring me. Which I can’t do anything with.

[Bell]

@luke, I disagree that Rad is town.

I dunno why C&g is playing how they are this game, but I doubt they haven’t seen my shade directed their way.
They’re intentionally ignoring me. Which I can’t do anything with.

Do you have good reasons this time or still just running on instinct here?

Still running on bullshit fumes I’m afraid.

[Bell]

Malcolm's pretty focused on a single take at a time. There's less substance an more size to it, like they're ballooning up a post.
Their reasoning is pseudo reasoning because it takes shape in the form of what would be interesting rather than what is likely.

[Bell]

They don't have very sharp-or wide - elbows and that's probably to avoid getting scum read.

[Bell]

Guess what I just did!
That's right I just made up a case I didn't believe one iota of because believing is for suckers.

[Bell]

Guess what I just did!
That's right I just made up a case I didn't believe one iota of because believing is for suckers.

are you voting malcolm yet

Vote mathblade. Dogs stick together.

[Bell]

Hi BB, are you just gunna coast through this game and we're going to have to pull the mystery lever on you at some point or what?

[Bell]

Hi BB, are you just gunna coast through this game and we're going to have to pull the mystery lever on you at some point or what?

Gonna coast until I find something to grab on to...yeah.

373 pages, 3 flips.
You need to trade those flippers out for hands.