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yeah that post was ignored

I just now saw it sorry also im at 2% can't talk now

it's fine

And I meant it was ignored by everyone else too which is

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Are you an alt of someone I know, ProfessorDrapion? You don't have to reveal, I just wonder how familiar you are with this site.

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Their posting style kinda reminds me of someone who plays here, but also is different enough for me to have doubts. But if they're this person I'm thinking of, it'd be a scumclaim for them to be scumreading me.

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Sorry to hear that :/

I slept three hours bc I got yanked out of bed by work last night woo. So I'm kinda grumpy today too

pedit: lmao

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Spoiler: Live Look at Frogster

no, that's pretty clearly me imo

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True facts

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Are you an alt of someone I know, ProfessorDrapion? You don't have to reveal, I just wonder how familiar you are with this site.

I used to play allot in the past.
Played with you too.
I actually lost a game where you were the last wolf and I didn’t suspect you at the end.

Oh, that should narrow it down drastically lol.

But tbh, I've already checked your past games and decided that you're probably not DkKoba. So my original point was moot. Thanks for answering anyway.

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a confirmable role doesn't mean a town one. Dunn keeps supporting my posts that push Taly but not voting them >_< I'm just very confused by him.

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didn't pooky promise fanfic of people in their cult? no fanfic yet, what a scumclaim

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That's only fair

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Actually no on second though CSF had a partner and won F5 in that game.
I TR’ed the one dude and he SR’ed me.
He TR’ed someone else that SR’ed him.
That someone else I SR’ed while they TR’ed me.

So CSF and their partner were just chilling in the back hoping we didn’t come to realize all 3 of us were town and won the game.

Spoiler:

It's not important, but I have no idea what you're talking about. Are you not confusing me with someone?

I only remember winning two scumgames before:

Pandamonium - we won with all 4 scum still alive
Masons and Mafia - I won in F3 after some spectacular distancing

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VOTE: Taly

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i dont understand what you're saying,

CSF

my vote on

dunn

wasn't

"naked'

, i prompted for an explanation and gave a reason on why the behavior could have scum motive.

4496

I didn't say it was naked

But why were you asking for an explanation if he had already explained why?

4496 doesn't really look like you had looked at any of Dunnstral's posts beyond 4020 to me

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I just remembered on the cephrir game toog replaced out and he was limmed D1 and it was town
So apparently I could be wrong on that tell

I legit don’t know

He didn't replace out, he was just limmed day 1

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Dude you remind me of Koba

It's not just me thank god

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because that was what happened and i didnt have the time to sort through the posts, so i figured pushing an action i disliked with a vote would warrant a prompt answer?

like, i dont know the expectation here. ive already put more into this game than i bargained for and there are big lapses of discussion that im not privy to.

I suppose it's possible you were short on time and wanted to talk to Dunn yourself, but it's like... if you had natural curiosity about why Dunn was doing something weird/scummy, I expected you to see if he's already explained why or at least read the posts when they were quoted for you i guess

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Taly, do you think you've done something out of your scumrange already? why should I townread you?

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because that was what happened and i didnt have the time to sort through the posts, so i figured pushing an action i disliked with a vote would warrant a prompt answer?

like, i dont know the expectation here. ive already put more into this game than i bargained for and there are big lapses of discussion that im not privy to.

I suppose it's possible you were short on time and wanted to talk to Dunn yourself, but it's like... if you had natural curiosity about why Dunn was doing something weird/scummy, I expected you to see if he's already explained why or at least read the posts when they were quoted for you i guess

I've quoted things in a catch up without looking to see if it is later addressed!

Did you vote them and ask them to explain something that's already been discussed at length?

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I greatly dislike the now pattern of frog trying to pocket nancy

You want me dead and you still.make this statement? Similar to your progression on me and Math. you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth again.

I agree, that was weird

Even if you're both independent scumreads, it's still weird

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2.

doubly so trying to rethink current wagons outside of my own, even when i am a viable elimination

"johnny/mala/frogs"

I did start to doubt you were scum here, but you ended up with Mala and Frogs in your will-lim bucket anyway when I asked for it

3. i dont votepark onto nothing and intentionally let that perception accrue when i have people's judgment

This is what I don't get, and Nancy has said this too. If you're just busier IRL nowadays since the last time you played as scum, would you really be around in the thread more to like... manage perception and stuff?

Like I'm not sure if you're playing differently to your old scumgames here because you're town or if you're just too busy nowadays to play an effective scum game, if that makes sense.

As for the other stuff, I'm so tired right now; I can't verify your meta

the only problem with my slot is that this D1 is disgustingly long with 200+ pages with 26p and the strongest reads on me are from players who townread me or do not want to eliminate me this early that I have played with before nancy/johnny/pooky.

I mean, this does make me doubt my scumread somewhat, but the thing Nancy said hasn't been addressed by my hypothesis that you're just too busy now

and Johnny and Pooky haven't really expounded on why they think you're town tbh

This is probably annoying to respond to, so I'll just say the bolded is what I'm most interested in

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I did start to doubt you were scum here, but you ended up with Mala and Frogs in your will-lim bucket anyway when I asked for it

@Taly: I should also say that I still think Frogs is town in spite (or even because of) his chaotic play, and I've lost confidence in Mala flipping scum based on how aggro she is right now

I haven't read anything. I probably won't be able to commit to this game until the weekend.

I claim being in a PT with another player though, so I should be good .

@Pooky: Was it? I feel like divining an alignment from this is like drawing water from a stone, but my brain is also the size of a cat's so idk

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this is what I was worried about earlier today on frogs/mala/taly being T/T/T but everybody wants to consolidate somewhere and i never understood the johnny scumreads tbh.

My Johnny scumread is that he did 2 ISOs on Malcolm and Ceph, shaded Malcolm who looked townier out of that interaction, and then seemed to have lost a lot of wim

He could be town struggling to keep up, but idk that could easily come from scum too?

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we are not killing Cephrir before his wedding day in a game run by his husband.

Maybe we kill him after the wedding as a wedding present BUT THAT DAY IS NOT TODAY

oh what

CONGRATS!!! omg

okay yeah I'm against a Ceph lim today too!

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Cool thanks. I'll keep that in mind when I read through his ISO shortly.

Responding to this

to inflate Drapion's ego some more

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Fine. I think Johnny is town because we are also neighbors. And because I am giving him that pass, I want to give all the neighbors a pass, since it seems to be a large component of the game in a way I dont yet understand and don't want to speculate too much (nevermind the existence of masons???). Hence why I stopped on the likes of pushing Bell, for example. AMA

Is he doing more solving in the PT?

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Isn't role cop more standardly a scum role lmao

Well as I lean town on Frog, I think its plausible since roles aren't revealed on flip.

wow T-Bone maybe is town after all

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Luke, I think you're misreading Frogster for doing weird, outlandish things when in my experience, it's usually wild townies who do stuff like that and get mislimmed for it.

He's really actively engaged in this game in a way that he's not when he's scum. He made <300 posts in his last Large Normal scumgame over the course of 1.5 months. He's made nearly 400 posts here in less than one game day. The disparity in engagement here is just not the same.

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Luke, I think you're misreading Frogster for doing weird, outlandish things when in my experience, it's usually wild townies who do stuff like that and get mislimmed for it.

He's really actively engaged in this game in a way that he's not when he's scum. He made <300 posts in his last Large Normal scumgame over the course of 1.5 months. He's made nearly 400 posts here in less than one game day. The disparity in engagement here is just not the same.

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I promise to protect you from Drapion tomm even if Frog flips scum you don't have to go down with the ship CSF

I really don't think he flips scum here, but it kinda feels like a lost cause

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I can translate

Frogster doesn't have a guilty on Luke, he just really believes Luke is scum

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I don't think Luke is scum, he's been scumreading you since like forever

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I can translate

Frogster doesn't have a guilty on Luke, he just really believes Luke is scum

I can translate

Frogster doesn't have a guilty on Luke, he just really believes Luke is scum

I can translate

Frogster doesn't have a guilty on Luke, he just really believes Luke is scum

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Frog can you use it during the day?

Still think this is scum

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Rolecops are ability, not alignment on MS

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Nah but I find it funny you responded to my question out of all players.

I've decided at some point that you're town and very wrong

Still would be rude to not be helpful

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lmfao

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He's gone into blind panic under pressure

No TBone you are wrong, Enchant got it right

Yet you pushed Enchant to stop Dunn wagon from forming.

it's almost like he's uninformed

oh my god

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pooky are you scum again?

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Pooky do you got my back? because I got yours!


although you may need to explain to me how CSF is town while I explain to you how they had massive wolf agenda with Frog.

her wolf game is terrible

"Terrible" The girl got me gone in a F5 game I lost to her in.

Please link the game? As I've said before, I literally do not remember this game.

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I have literally no idea what game Drapion is hallucinating right now

This is weird

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This is like 5 pages in a row now that I've waited to get the pagetop and failed zzz

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Pooky do you got my back? because I got yours!


although you may need to explain to me how CSF is town while I explain to you how they had massive wolf agenda with Frog.

her wolf game is terrible

"Terrible" The girl got me gone in a F5 game I lost to her in.

Please link the game? As I've said before, I literally do not remember this game.

@ProfessorDrapion

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Johnny has posted but not given his opinion on Frogster. That's the most interesting thing I've noticed

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Bell and I think it's a role that is plausible for town since roles are not flipped.

finish the thought

why is it plausible for town to have a role cop because roles are not flipped

if you cop someone and they flip scum, it can help town determine what roles scum actually have for the sake of assessing balance

idk just spitballing

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I will hammer Frogster. I have said this before

I still think he will flip town

But the silver lining in that scenario is that at least hopefully Drapion will stop being annoying

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yeah I think I see what pooky is saying now

I'm just townreading Frog based on dayplay

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pooky on a scale from 1-10 how beneficial to town wincon would it be for this day to end asap

tbone, luke, csf & dp if you happen to be around, same q

@pooktavius/t-bizzle/csf/drapion

my question is more important than whatever u are bickering about

Idk... 6? 7? 6192

Prefer to lim someone I don't think is town

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I'm interested in what you have in store for us Ceph ^_^

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ask me what?

Why do you keep ignoring 6133?

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yea i think it makes it very likely tbone scum threw out a random comment about "flipless -> town rolecop" that he can't back up at all because the excuses he is throwing out such as

"to find the mafia strongman" literally have nothing to do with "the flipless nature of the game"

Would scum T-Bone be TMI'ing Frogster as town in this case

p-edit: Sadge

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PD, I'm not answering your questions until you answer mine

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Luke, penny for your thoughts on 5887

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@Cephrir

JohnnyFarrar
Taly
MathBlade
Dancing Puppets

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If this is town, I will be kinda disappointed ngl

Then brace yourself

Or not depending on what fun Ceph has in store

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Okay well I think Pooky is town again

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Mm wait but multiple people had the same process as T-Bone tho, Pooky

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Luke, penny for your thoughts on 5887

I meant to respond to that, but the thread never stops moving x.x

All right well thank you

I don't think any of those things are scum indicative if I understand the character behind the account, but at least I understand your perspective and the fact that you pulled out these things in a relatively short amount of time makes me feel good

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Okay well I think Pooky is town again

Why?
Also why are you not responding to my questions?

I didn't respond to yours because I don't care to show you a game that is irrelevant to this one.

I think you made up a game - either deliberately or accidentally I don't know - and are using it to sow doubt about my meta.

I would like to know why.

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Okay well I think Pooky is town again

Why?
Also why are you not responding to my questions?

I didn't respond to yours because I don't care to show you a game that is irrelevant to this one.

I think you made up a game - either deliberately or accidentally I don't know - and are using it to sow doubt about my meta.

I would like to know why.

I did not. and the game was like roughly 2 years ago now.

Is there a reason why you won't link?

You mean on my old account? I don't remember winning any scum games on that account aside from maybe a marathon or two.

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wait 2 years ago nvm it had to be on this account @Drapion

then wtf why can't I find it in my egosearch

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VOTE: taly

ceph is town

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why didnt you gladiate frogster

im having misgivings about it because the people pointing out he had way less wim in that large normal are right

oh my god I think I might cry

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VOTE: taly

just in case

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btw since i'm in a burn it all down mood, i'm tenebrousluminary :3

wait what that's you

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Pagetop!

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Wait actually I'm starting to understand what just happened. Good read Ceph, sorry for the ad hominem

VOTE: Taly

My dying SRs are that Pooky and Math are both scum

Actually I'm still going to sleep on it.

UNVOTE: Taly

Vote Taly

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CSF do you SR Pooky or Math?

If I say yes, will you help lim Taly?

I think Math could be scum yes. I'm not sure what Pooky is doing

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CSF do you SR Pooky or Math?

If I say yes, will you help lim Taly?

I think Math could be scum yes. I'm not sure what Pooky is doing

Yeah CSF is lying.

Or more likely my read has changed in the last 150 pages holy shit

Stop being dense

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Catching up.
Summary of last 10 pages if feeling nice.

Ceph gladiated taly

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Chances are we elim a town today. Why is it crazy to skip? Explain to me with logic.

Why don't you vote no lim every day 1 then? Odds are you'll lim a town

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Oh Mal will this be fun for you

Johnny, plz vote someone!

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I'm about to go to bed

Hopefully the Europeans will end this day before I wake up tomorrow

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Pagetop!

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hello folks, still awake I see

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VOTE: no lim

I've kind of lost confidence in Taly scum, and I saw some ppl I trust to be town doing this

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VOTE: no lim

I've kind of lost confidence in Taly scum, and I saw some ppl I trust to be town doing this

T-Bone wants to kill Taly very badly, so that’s reason enough imo.

T-Bone already hedged and said he didn't actually want to kill Taly he just townread everyone else more

I think T-bone can be scum for trying to keep neighbors alive, which feels like a cover for evading TA's detection more than anything, since the stated reason feels kind of weak --- "possibly has some importance to the setup"

I still think Ceph is town

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Professor Drap, can you please look through your games, and find the one that you lost to scum!CSF.

I know you don't think that it is relevant, but it feel very relevant to me. Multiple people have said that this game is outside of CSF's scum range, but you apparently have an example of a game to prove that that is not the case.

I would like to look at your counter example.

I don’t wanna out my main.


I also want to point out that in a game I’ve played on another site people kept trying to base things on meta which isn’t accurate.

I looked last night, and I believe I know what game they're talking about. I'm also confident that if I were to link the game, it would actually reinforce everyone's belief that I'm town

I don't think Drapion was deliberately being dishonest here. I feel pretty strongly that they're town in fact, and I understand why they want to remain anonymous

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@Luke why would you want CSF to vote to elim a slot she doesn’t sr?

I'm not scumreading Taly, but I'm not also super confident that they're town. I strongly townread you and Pooky and hope you both are correct given your experiences playing with them.

should Taly flip scum down the road, I'm not trusting a single thing you guys say this game <3

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does it worry you guys that Math is voting no lim as well? Aren't you guys scumreading him?

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Same

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VOTE: Taly

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E-2

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I'd happily lim Math tomorrow too

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I'm not seeing any new arguments hashed out since my last check in, and Klick just left the game

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Luke, i was voting taly but i see we're voting ceph now

Ftr I'm only voting because Im pro ending the day before the rest of the player list gives up and leaves like klick. It feels omega shitty to vote the one person who agreed with my town case.

VOTE: Cephrir

I hope he has a fantastic wedding and will spend his honeymoon laughing at those of us still stuck on this cursed island from the dead pt

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I'm voting for cephrir

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I'm voting for cephrir

So is mala

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Because there are more votes there, and the day needs to end before everyone rage quits the game @frogster

And ceph is at e-2 because he is hated

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I meant players like klick who simply can't keep up with the pace of the game are going to quit

I didn't mean to imply they're mad

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there is no reason for Ceph to potentially get himself eliminated for a mere neighbor.

I mean... Yeah I don't disagree at all

RcEnigma had a Poe that was decent

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I also don't get why taly thinks ceph is scum other than self preservation, but yea I'm tired

Bro I've slept like 6 hours bc of my job and this game is like another full time job

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6 hours over the last 2 nights :/

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Ceph is town here. Taly may or may not be Town. We don't have access to the hood chat but we know Taly looks bad in it. It's kind of an easy choice.

Ceph is literally at e-1 with math's vote. Is it really worth prolonging the day for this

Pedit: drapion, i saw taly's reasons for scumreading ceph, i don't think they're very good

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I'm p deflated right now btw frogster. I was kinda looking forward to playing with Klick as town

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VOTE: taly

I'm only posting to move my vote from now on. I don't want to contribute to the post count of this game any more than i already have

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Bell you're such a vibe

Okay last post for real

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No. This day is draining my will to play mafia. I’m not repeating myself. I just want day to end. Please thank you.

All that thinking and this is all you wrote? I thought you were a strong willed scum hunter?

He's just demotivated town. I 100% get where he's coming from

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The other mason (dwlee) already claimed

Just rolecop someone scummy - RCEnigma had a pretty good pool. Don't rolecop the masons

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What is your idea, Math

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I think Dunn NK'd and Frogster vigged is the most likely explanation. Several people were heavily scumreading Frogster

Math, weren't you scumreading Frogster at the end of day 1? Why is it a surprise to you that someone would vig there?

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But more than likely needs an explanation.

This line

Seems like you think it was a bad vig overall

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I counted 101 too including the word FIN at the end

That was a good use of my time

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I kinda want to lim Johnny (I scumread that slot, and Cephrir +1'd my read there, which makes me feel better about it) or MathBlade (Cephrir's best posts were when he was pushing Math imo)

but ngl BBT wagon sounds enticing too

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VOTE: Johnny

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Why were they best? All he did was naked say I am scum.

Spoiler:

Discussion was:
Me: I want to be Rose instead of Bernard
Roden: okay
Roden: let's make a complicated crumb <plan here>
Me: wow cool crumb let's do it
Me: wow game move fast
Roden: true but you're townie you're fine
Me: oh you had to claim should I claim now
Roden: some kind of response
Me: okay I'll claim cause everyone says I have to even though I don't want to

Is it antitown to share that plan? To demonstrate you had it?

im curious as to why this is important to you, i can't see how it matters but perhaps you have a reason

mathblade is hard at work "sorting" the claimed mason pair because he has to pretend he's doing something

right that is why i asked

This seemed like fake solving

i would understand it if there were evidence of corwin having played for C&G but i don't think there is evidence of that unless math would like to provide some

I kinda agree - Corwin didn't give that many reads, definitely not enough for two slots.

I get that you were also busy IRL last game day, but I didn't get the impression that you had that many reads when you were in the game either.

DP has accidentally drawn my attention to the following

I've hardcore skimmed the last however many pages and read MathBlade's ISO, and he just looks lost to me. Can you explain what were DNA's reads, and what are yours - I remember Bell and ...? Summarize the hood discussion for us plz, that might help me see why you're townreading DNA. Also how caught up are you

Is Klick still town? What's the VC? I don't know anything anymore

I already established that I only share reads with consent.

I don’t just announce things without permission especially while one head is catching up.

G head thinks that Bell is back null because their acting better but votes are weird.

Frog is erratic (their word)

Klick is null

I don’t know which reads I can and can’t share because they didn’t want certain reads shared

why did you expect the masons to share their reads & summarize their discussion if you don't agree that doing so is good play?

& P.S. did you ever try to secure their permission to summarize your discussion?

Idk but I distinctly remembered reading Ceph's ISO day 1, and thinking these were some decent posts for a slot I was otherwise scumreading (up until the gladiate)

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@CSF will respond to that tomorrow

But it’s more Corwin wasn’t active which was already established.

So ?

Spoiler:

I don't really think Corwin's body of work looks like scumhunting, it looks more like projecting reads into the thread to look like he's scumhunting

Hey something approaching a reason.

Can you elaborate?

Dude was posting for two people.

Some of it is Ircher/RH9 and some is him.

So yes by fucking definition Corwin was. Congrats!

I don't think this is much of a rebuttal

like 80% of the read has nothing to do with you

I was always going to scumread whoever rep'd into the slot unless they towntold extremely hard cuz Corwin was scummy af

Then you should be able to explain that read

But you haven’t.

uh yea i have

i linked the iso

town!corwin is like a bull in a china shop

he was barely present this game

Again already explained that

Having to play for two people is hard AF

Next

bruh he wasn't even playing for one person

Factually incorrect

Saying this is "factually incorrect" is just unhelpful tbh

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I kinda want to lim Johnny (I scumread that slot, and Cephrir +1'd my read there, which makes me feel better about it) or MathBlade (

Cephrir's best posts were when he was pushing Math imo

)

but ngl BBT wagon sounds enticing too

This can be distancing, why do

you

specifically wolf read MathBlade?

I've just quoted some posts in spoilers at Math that elaborate a bit

I also don't think he's been providing that many reads

The BBT scumread is the first read where I get the sense he actually feels anything about it

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Hello I haven't played for 2 years so I'm a bit rusty and old doge.
So I hope you guys won't mislim me that would be horrible.

I havent read anything yet.
Is there anything I need to know before I start

Poor guy

Hey there, also @CSF this was the player in the game when you were wolf, this was the town that TR'ed me but I SR'ed them and you won.

I already said I believe you about that game, since I believe I found it

but tbh I do not recognize this player

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VOTE: Mathblade

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although from a quick skim of taly's iso.
they didnt have an initial read on ceph before the gladiate and their case against ceph centered around the whole gladiate thing being scum motivated.
This could probably be excused due to it being 1v1 but still a bit of bad look.
will look forward to how they will bounce back today after they were wrong on their reads.

I think this is town. I actually had the same thought towards the end of day 1

wtf is wrong with Cytosine and Guanine slot

They claimed to have a posting restriction where they could only post 100 words on day 1, not including signatures and votes presumably

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@Bella- Math is p ridiculous this game too! I've seen multiple posts of his that are tantamount to circular reasoning a la "I'm town therefore... <Insert statements>"

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Reading back some of Rad's posts from later D1 and they feel incredibly scummy.

Lot of their posts toward the end feel indecisive in a way that's quite unnatural, as if they were unsure where to lean. Manage to go from voting Taly, to advocating for no elimination, to then voting out Ceph in a relatively short space of time. The progression doesn't work for me as being from town.

Imma be real

I think I did this flip flopping too

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As for Dunn, I think that the thread consensus was that he was softing Friendly Neighbor (I am unsure how that lines up with his soft at me, but I also failed at breaking that in general, so :shurg:)

If they also thought that was his claim, then they might have felt the need to shoot one of : Dunn, Roden, or Dwlee because the list of confirmed town was getting kinda high. Given those three options, I think that it makes sense to kill Dunn because he was the only one of the three that fully keeping up with the game, and the best suited to become a leader because of it.

mb we should look at what dunn's reads were before he got nightkilled but i'm too lazy for that shit

Taly, Malakittens, Bellaphant

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Next I get rid of Math (and by extension c&g), because

I don't think scum math makes the universal scumread POE smaller

when he's so clearly on the chopping block

How did he do this?

If you're referring to the Dunn NK, that's eh because that argument can be applied to anyone, and speculates that there's no other reason for scum to have killed Dunnstral that took precedence.

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I don't think the reasoning makes sense

If scum thought Dunn was FN, he would have been, by definition, out of the universal scumread pool on day 2. So I don't see how Math can be town from that.

It's looking like maybe Dunn wasn't FN after all, since no one has claimed it, but that's only known after the fact.

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In what way? What puzzle are we solving that is aided by knowing Dunnstral's role?
~Cytosine

Is this Ircher? Or RH9?

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That ending comes off more aggressive than I intend. I just think a lot of people are dumb telling and it’s grinding on me a bit.

Who? Name and shame!

What i miss

Why is Taly scum?

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I think Off the Hook is town - I think there's some merit to Gamma's BBT push.

I dislike T-Bone's vote on Off the Hook. Aside from 8455, which was probably a joke, I feel like you're avoiding giving a read on BBT and commenting on that wagon.

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I also realized Luke already said what I last said to Johnny, oops sorry about that, that's probably annoying. Though one thing I did want to add was:

Rad - Strikes me as paranoid, might not have landed on FN
Drapion - had been admonished by Dunn several times for clogging up the thread

Since there's 5 scum, I think it's unlikely that Rad would be the one dictating the NKs in any scumteam in this list, given their relative inexperience.

Why would have Drapion felt threatened by Dunn telling him not to clog up the thread? It's not a scumread per se

Can you also talk a bit about BBT, since you didn't want to vote there?

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That ending comes off more aggressive than I intend. I just think a lot of people are dumb telling and it’s grinding on me a bit.

Who? Name and shame!

What i miss

Why is Taly scum?

Where i said Taly is mafia?

You're voting Taly?????

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Since there's 5 scum, I think it's unlikely that Rad would be the one dictating the NKs in any scumteam in this list, given their relative inexperience.

I don't disagree, but we live in a thread where it's entirely possible that Rad is the most active scum

That's actually fair

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If it helps, I feel pretty strongly that OTH and Bell are both town.

@Enchant - why are you voting for Taly over the other wagons then?

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8941 seems like some silly gotcha reasoning. Mislim Bait didn't voted Taly after people told him there was a gladiate yesterday, and I feel like you could have checked this by ISO'ing the person you're scumreading

8845 is more of the same

VOTE: BBT

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I dislike T-Bone's vote on Off the Hook. Aside from 8455, which was probably a joke, I feel like you're avoiding giving a read on BBT and commenting on that wagon.

I mean I don't particularly care about this wagon, what exactly did you want me to comment on?

It's a Thing That's Happening, so any thoughts about whether you like the wagon or the people on it instead of staying on the sidelines

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8941 seems like some silly gotcha reasoning. Mislim Bait didn't voted Taly after people told him there was a gladiate yesterday, and I feel like you could have checked this by ISO'ing the person you're scumreading

8845 is more of the same

VOTE: BBT

Literally has nothing to do with what I said.

Then explain what I misunderstood?

You quoted some post where Mislim bait cautioned against VCAs without context and tried to demonstrate a contradiction bc Mislim also used VCA to scumread taly

Except he clearly wasn't going off VCA alone bc he didn't even vote taly after getting more context about the gladiate situation

I'm not even sure such a contradiction would be scummy, hence gotcha reasoning, but in any case, i don't even see a contradiction

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@CSF - He said he likes VCA but not to go overboard.

I then quoted an early post showing him going overboard based off of VCA.

You see the contradiction or no?

I can see why you may think that

Why is this scummy?

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@Tbone, all right. i thought there were more people on that wagon but maybe that's because loud people were pushing it

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What is the rest of your case? That klick's naked voting was scummy?

I already said i found your initial reasoning behind the Mislim vote weak

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Naked vote again.

Klick was pretty bad at explaining any of his scum reads or his votes but was more than happy to elaborate on town reads. Again, easy option for scum.

The ceph 180 is probably the most interesting but idk if it's worth a vote by itself

The other votes were on scummy people imo. Corwin (math slot), Roden, and mala were barely present in the game.

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Barely present = scummy?

They were all barely present + there were other reasons to scumread math/roden. If you're curious about why, you can go back to read as i'm not going to go into depth on why each were scumread.

Mala i think her contributions tend to be better as town, that roguelikes mini normal being a notable exception. Though she was also scumread for tone i believe

I'm just saying as someone who was active in the thread, i didn't think those klick votes were weird.

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@bbt, all right agree to disagree. I still don't think you're particularly interested in getting the right answer if you're not interested in hearing why you're scumreads (dancing puppets) may be town

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Hi. I've read a bit of this in the last hour or so while waiting to be put in, looks like it's... not too different from the previous large theme I played. I will not be reading everything. An up-to-date list of what has been claimed so far would be appreciated, thanks!

I also was vaguely aware of the show as it was airing but haven't seen any of it. I don't know if there's any show-specific knowledge that would be useful to have at this point.

Don't you have a mason buddy to help you out?

Spoiler: just going off memory so this might not be complete

Cephrir claimed Hated Gladiator (Sawyer)
Frogster claimed 2-shot Rolecop (Sayyid)
Pooky claimed to have vigged Frogster last night
Dunnstral softed this. Lots of people thought he was softing friendly neighbor, but no one got such a message today.

Is it a role that is confirmable or extremely useful and you would not recommend killing in any capacity D1 Dunn.

Confirmable: yes
Extremely useful: no
Would not recommend killing day 1: yes

Claimed hoods:
Lukewarm - MalcolmTucker
MathBlade - Cytosine and Guanine
Bell - Taly
T-Bone - JohnnyFarrar
I think that's it?

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I thought 7890 and 7891 were him claiming it but now that I'm looking at those posts again, i think I misread it tbh

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I think taly also claimed vanilla neighbor

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I'm also slightly worried for town that I had to point this one out for people to notice and make a new wagon.

Malcolm tends to be wordy and hedge-y

Will you be able to talk to Dunn and Frog on day 3?

Potentially one of them. I only have one more shot.

Why did you use one of these shots on Ceph instead of saving it?

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I'll just wait here and vote with town when town's ready so let's go town, let's vote out the scum!

VOTE: MathBlade

I'm not sure how/why the BBT wagon stalled/dissipated, as they haven't been particularly towny. But I'm also happy to move back to MathBlade, since I TR everyone on that wagon

C&G is in my "would vote" pool. But I feel like a lot of my null/scumleans are voting there, which makes me feel bleh about it

I'm not feeling Mislim's scumcase on Malcolm

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*twiddles thumbs patiently*

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Still kinda want to lim Johnny today

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Still kinda want to lim Johnny today

Johnny's reasons to keep Math out of the PoE yesterday were bad (8615). When this was pointed out by Luke and me, he still didn't vote Math because...?

and this Corwin + Johnny interaction seemed like interacting for the sake of interacting

Spoiler:

I'm still catching up today, on page 31. Can someone link to the KTANE game everyone keeps talking about?

I have my own reasons for not liking Frog's slot for where I'm at in the game.

Johnny, you had an earlier town read on Luke, do you still feel that way and why?

Johnny, you had an earlier town read on Luke, do you still feel that way and why?

Yeah, they haven't done anything to disturb that halo on their head. You think I missed something?

Not necessarily. My notes are "Dislike Frog and Luke, feels like ~350ish is s/s [\n] JF TR Luke?" so I've just been meaning to ask about it. Something wasn't rubbing right around then, but I suspect a lot of you have a better feel for him as a player than I do.

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Shit, pooky dishing out pop quizzes over here

VOTE: Johnny

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:3

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Spoiler: Could this really be the face of scum?

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Hello Enchant, could I interest you in a Johnny vote?

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From csf to Enchant, just stinky

Why?

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That can wait until after Bella checks in

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Ima townie brownie!

Also Johnny hard defended taly iirc

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I was just speaking to enchants theory that a scum was hard defending taly.

It was bell who started the taly wagon day 1

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VOTE: Bellaphant

It feels necessary to eliminate you or Bell today so that people don't get confused between the two of you. You're not here to defend yourself, so you're naturally the easier choice.

Funny you would confuse bell and Bella though

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Inb4 this is Enchant tmi’ing that one of his scum buddies white knighted taly

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Why would scum bus me? Like, of all the possible scum players in the game, why would scum choose to bus me? They would literally get 0 cred from my flip and that's the primary reason to bus someone.

Distancing.

Why did you move off of Math yesterday? You had him as scum but never really pushed him aside from a naked vote, and then hopped off to start wagons on Mislim and C&G iirc

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Math was also scumread a lot, so any wagon he started was unlikely to gain much popularity.

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CSF is prob scum and Johnny is town if Bella is scum.

Why is that?

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Why am I scum and why is Johnny town if Bella is scum?

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Where did Corwin shade Johnny?

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Yeah, I've read Corwin's ISO recently.

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Like, that shows some hyper awareness of what the Corwin slot has or hasn't done.

I'm literally positing that Johnny and Corwin are scum together based on their interactions, so not a big surprise I hope!

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Like, that shows some hyper awareness of what the Corwin slot has or hasn't done.

I don't get the impression that you're sorting me in good faith, unless you can coherently explain why looking at flipped scum's ISO is scummy.

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I think I might have to go to bed before Bella comes up with her fakeclaim :/

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N1: CSF - Action Failed for some reason

CSF are you aware of why this would have failed on you Night 1?

No I’m not ascetic or anything

VOTE: bella
Bella is there a reason you haven’t full claimed?

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Enchant is probably town lol

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Are we just waiting for Taly to come back?

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Actually idk how hard I lean into Johnny!scum if Bella flips red.

Actually idk how hard I lean into Johnny!scum if Bella flips red.

I honestly feel like Bella!Wolf Spews Johnny Town.

Can you both expand on this?

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alright, Luke sanity check complete. I'll drop it.

fwiw I think you're entertaining hypotheticals that are worth entertaining if and only if Bella flips town. It's kind of a matter of balancing probabilities

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Actually idk how hard I lean into Johnny!scum if Bella flips red.

Actually idk how hard I lean into Johnny!scum if Bella flips red.

I honestly feel like Bella!Wolf Spews Johnny Town.

Can you both expand on this?

I'm still interested in hearing more about this!

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We're just a very chatty bunch

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Meanwhile, Frogster is fuming in the dead thread

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I've been thinking of a DP => Bella => DP sort of scenario for tonight. We can talk more about it tomorrow.

Taly's not going to get NK'd, I think.

DP tracks Bella target him and either Bella dies or someone random dies. Shows that Bella has the ability to target someone outside of a NK. If PD dies we flip Bella. Strongarm ruins this line of play I guess but so does flipping town!Bella so... we're betting on probabilities there.

I dunno if there's a smarter scenario to play out of... town!Bella... strongarm!scum... will think about it tomorrow or I'm sure someone else can think of it in the meantime.

Because Bella is likely scum - 10292

All this would tell us tomorrow is that Bella is scum, and then we'll have wasted a night of actions to learn what we already know today

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So what are the chances that bella actually stole her partners flavor instead?

I think this is likely, or that she is a doc but chose not to use it bc she did the NK instead

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Yeah this is the 2nd or 3rd? Time that Bella's checked into the thread without giving any reads- it feels like deliberate clamming up

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Yes, he is!

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Why is Johnny spewed town?

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I disagree that she really pushed Johnny. Shaded yes but not really pushed. She never once voted for Johnny.

She also often brought up mala when she shaded Johnny, which makes me think she was trying to tie a partner to town.

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I've been low-key paranoid of tbone all game so that's helpful

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That’s just page one I can do page two of Bella’s johnny mentions.

I have her iso open

I'm not saying she didn't scumread johnny, but I'm not seeing why we should rule out distancing

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That’s just page one I can do page two of Bella’s johnny mentions.

I have her iso open

I'm not saying she didn't scumread johnny, but I'm not seeing why we should rule out distancing

It’s unlikely. Johnny was one of the leading wagons with Bella still openly advocating there plus Bella buddying up to slots actively pushing Johnny. I’m gonna go ahead and put Johnny in my town do not touch pile.

There's merit to your argument tho I'm not as sure of the conclusion

I think taly and c&g town though

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Probably not, I meant more in terms of like why

you

and not Luke or Pooky or whatever

Could be. I think scum would doc!hint but my role means it’s not cut and dry. So if there is the possibility I’d like town to have more pieces of the full picture.

I guess i don't see why scum would target you over a mason or something

But i agree with the general idea that scum probably didn't target drapion last night to avoid collision with a town protective

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I think taly and c&g town though

if you think this? who du u thinks scum?

Do you disagree?

And idk lol still going through portions of the game

Maybe BBT because of bella's c&g vote day 2

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Taly town is bc Bella didn't bother voting during the gladiate so Cephrir/taly probably tvt

C&g is bc Bella chose to wagon them over mathblade and BBT day 2

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Who do you think is scum?

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Probably not, I meant more in terms of like why

you

and not Luke or Pooky or whatever

Could be. I think scum would doc!hint but my role means it’s not cut and dry. So if there is the possibility I’d like town to have more pieces of the full picture.

I guess i don't see why scum would target you over butterchurn or something

But i agree with the general idea that scum probably didn't target drapion last night to avoid collision with a town protective

So how do you account for the no kill then? This is why I think OfH should check Bella because it looked like she might have been informed about doc.

It's a 26p game, there's likely more than 1 protect

oh - what was ceph's exact role?

Hated 1-shot gladiator
Bella is a macho doc

Scum probably don't have any goons since Bella did the kill. They were also not especially worried about a vig.

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I'm a doc, hence I think there must be two from flavour, I was on rad n1 then bell.

Think she was true claiming her doc shot on rad n1?

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Luke's scum case on enchant is good. Convincing even.

But in my heart of hearts, i don't feel like he's scum this game :/

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I disagree, Enchant is readable sometimes

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I'm a doc, hence I think there must be two from flavour, I was on rad n1 then bell.

Think she was true claiming her doc shot on rad n1?

Probably not, afterall we know that Drap targeted you d1, so she could literally claim anything. Gth, she probably targeted Math. Would make the most sense, especially since Dunn crumbed vig.

Bella claimed night actions before drapion

But you're probably right, math would've been a better target

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Who do you guys think is scum etc etc

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What's the VC

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Also happy Friday y'all

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i'd probably vote enchant over rad atp

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I think he's very close to lim already, and I'd prefer to not rush this day

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Although, who do you think is scum?

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I just think my strongest scumreads (Johnny, BBT) aren't going to get limmed today, so I'm just vibing until we get a flip

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What does the VC have to do with my question @_@

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Best Bird, what's Ceph's read on Johnny?

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Then you should vote enchant?

I think he's very close to lim already, and I'd prefer to not rush this day

What does the VC have to do with my question @_@

UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

enchant:

luke

, bb, bbt, butter, pooky, rce, rad, mala, luke (E-3)
malcolm:

rad

rad:

luke

Luke on enchant, to me, to enchant.

I don't get it, sorry >_<

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I just think my strongest scumreads (Johnny, BBT) aren't going to get limmed today, so I'm just vibing until we get a flip

Can you point out why Johnny and BBT are scum why I come up with my reads list?

Johnny for fake reactions & scumhunting and just like existing without really doing any solving

I'm less confident on BBT scum but, um, the fact that Bella voted C&G over them

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Bella was kinda hedge-y in her read on MathBlade

And I feel like she was also hedge-y on her read on BBT

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I don't get it, sorry >_<

I still don't get what the VC has to do with who you're reading as scum, is what I meant

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oh, I just feel like I have 2 scumreads and the 3rd is kind of a mystery to me. So I can easily see the 3rd scum as either you or Enchant

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VOTE: Enchant

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town!Enchant flipping

why aren't you unvoting then?