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Hello world

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like dude is a claimed investigative who's somehow survived multiple nights post claim and done jack-all since his big "catch" while unclaimed cleared players get shot

smells fishy af to me

I'm actually on board with this. I feel like I've been forced to protect Drap night after night after night after the 'track' on Bella and it's allowed scum to start killing more freely.

Just for clarity, I protected Drap again last night. I find it wild that he didn't track me.

I don't think ProfessorDrapion would do this as mafia. Because it's not a viable plan for endgaming, and endgaming is the only reason to bus.

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It's bought him 3 days and bought scum 2 (?) kills?

The only concern I have is the N3 no kill, but RCE claimed BP so maybe that explains that one?

Yeah I am indeed BP.

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You don't think it's beneficial for scum to tie up the Doc?

The fact I wasn't killed and Drap is immediately 'BBT is scum' is bad as well.

He also didn't track me despite scum reading me, would have been a good way to confirm my claim.

None of it adds up

Tracking someone doesn't confirm them, plenty of mafia roles visit. So I don't think tracking a visiting claim is that smart.

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What Mafia roles would you expect to visit Drap?

It's probably not likely, but still, my point is that the result doesn't hard confirm you.

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It very likely does though? Given he was scum reading me, and clearly skeptical of my claim, then it makes sense from a town!Drap POV, no?

Yeah it does make sense, but it's not the only track that makes sense.

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Alright. How much of the game did you manage to read?

Not that much, I saw one of Rad's catch up posts a while back, read through RC's posts and all of Day 6 so far.

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Why did you read RC's posts?

Have you ISO'd Mod for flips etc?

I'm replacing him.

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I know, but you know the alignment you replaced into so reading the one slot whose alignment you know is strange.

It's not strange, the last game I replaced into people kept banging on about my predecessor so I thought it might be relevant again. And yes I am aware of flips, Mathblade and Bellaphant were mafia and there are now 3 mafia left out of 16.

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Alright

And how did you come across that post from Rad?

Reading

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So you chose that part to randomly read? If so, why?

I was skimming through and it looked useful.

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I'm sorry, just help me out here.

You were skimming through 500+ pages and that post from Rad just happened to catch your eye?

Not 500, it was fairly recent

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Hello yeet. I wote up a summary recently at post 11868. Right now we have some competing wagons - Mala, Malcolm, bbt. Maybe Johnny wagon could be considered there too.

This one.

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So you have read the past 30 pages or so Furtive?

I wouldn't say that, I'd say I've read the past 15 pages (since D6 start) and skimmed about 15 pages before that.

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Have you managed to gain any reads from what you have read?

I sus Best Bird, still undecided on Pooky/Rad but it's the kind of thing where I'll probably land one way or the other. JohnnyFarrar is individually sus and seems to have partner equity with a few people. I'm just gonna townread Professor and Butterflies.

I still need to get up to speed with all the claims to form proper reads but this is from what I saw so far on D6.

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Have you managed to gain any reads from what you have read?

I sus Best Bird, still undecided on Pooky/Rad but it's the kind of thing where I'll probably land one way or the other. JohnnyFarrar is individually sus and seems to have partner equity with a few people. I'm just gonna townread Professor and Butterflies.

I still need to get up to speed with all the claims to form proper reads but this is from what I saw so far on D6.

Yeah fuck this.

VOTE: BestBird

I want BB or Malcolm today.

Did you like my post? What's the "fuck this" about?

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Yes.

You have sus on BestBird and I have the paranoia and the slot needs the pressure and if possible I’d like to make it the CW to Malcolm.

Why do you keep talking about paranoia?

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Aren't there 16 alive?

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Have you managed to gain any reads from what you have read?

I sus Best Bird, still undecided on Pooky/Rad but it's the kind of thing where I'll probably land one way or the other. JohnnyFarrar is individually sus and seems to have partner equity with a few people. I'm just gonna townread Professor and Butterflies.

I still need to get up to speed with all the claims to form proper reads but this is from what I saw so far on D6.

Why is best bird scum?

First, thanks for noticing me!

It's the way they seem unattached to any other players, like a free agent. I still need to read more really, that was just my reactions to that much of D6.

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First, thanks for noticing me!

This made me laugh. The game is kind of like that though

I haven't played in such a big game before. There's a real problem in that I'm only really noticing the louder players, so it makes me assume that there's scum in the louder players when that's not necessarily the case.

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First, thanks for noticing me!

This made me laugh. The game is kind of like that though

I haven't played in such a big game before. There's a real problem in that I'm only really noticing the louder players, so it makes me assume that there's scum in the louder players when that's not necessarily the case.

What do we think the strat is - 1 loud mafia, 1 coaster, 1 in the middle?

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It's the way they seem unattached to any other players, like a free agent. I still need to read more really, that was just my reactions to that much of D6.

what does this even mean?

I should respond to this, but also have nothing to say. It means what it means, you can see that I already said it.

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I don't understand what you mean by "unattached to any other players."

I read it back and now I don't know what I meant eitherrrrrrrrrrr

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I don't understand what you mean by "unattached to any other players."

I read it back and now I don't know what I meant eitherrrrrrrrrrr

I also clocked that your role is to talk to the dead players, which does seem more likely town than mafia. How does it work?

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I have a neighborhood PT with 2 dead players, Ceph and Luke.

Why didn't you defend Cephrir from being voted out? Or did you? How did they get eliminated?

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I would rather vote Malcolm than Rad if it came down to that, but for now:

VOTE: Johnny

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2 reasons.

1)He was an obvious ML like Day 3 and he would have went over if it wasn’t for my amazing Bella check.
2)Pretty sure T-Bone claimed Doctor to him like a previous night but it was Luke who died over him.


^ again this indicates it can be Malcolm but BB still refuses to say what Luke has said in regards to Malcolm or even me.

Ok

VOTE: Malcolm

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he is not voting out of {malcolm, rad}

That is clearly worded in a way that a reasonable human, especially one who plays mafia and understands the meaning of pools, would understand.

Yeah there are 2 similar phrases here - voting outside of [Malcolm, Rad] means voting any other player, whereas voting out [Malcolm, Rad] means voting those players out. Voting out OF is clearly closer to the former.

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Hi, I hope we r voting mafia off, 3 in 16 chance!

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I still want this vote really, Malcolm's posting hasn't done a lot to persuade me otherwise. In the meantime OffTheHook is becoming more and more sus to me, they should go soon.

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I've been quietly sussing Pooky for a bit now, I was slightly hesitant to raise it because I know butterflies is hard townreading Pooky and I know what they can get like, and so is Rad and apparently half the lobby.

1) They suggested Rad/Malcolm was scum/scum which has been practically impossible for a few days now (13718)

2) They keep switching their vote when the mood feels like the energy is dying on a wagon. The first time I noticed this was 13657 - Rad to Malcolm, reason given is "I'm bored and you're annoying". Then there's 13734 - back to Rad, reason given is "I guess I can go back to this". Then the latest thing is 13800, over to Johnny, reason is "Rad has cried enough".

3) 2-shot Cop is a weird role to be in a game like this. It doesn't seem balanced for a game like this, and checking 2 now dead town, who didn't seem likely to be eliminated, with the reason of 'paranoia' feels really convenient.

4) Pooky is guilty of hypocrisy regarding ProfessorDrapion. 13222 is a good example of this, Pooky is also an investigative, and hasn't been killed.

Anyway this is my current big sus.

VOTE: Pooky

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I've been quietly sussing Pooky for a bit now, I was slightly hesitant to raise it because I know butterflies is hard townreading Pooky and I know what they can get like, and so is Rad and apparently half the lobby.

1) They suggested Rad/Malcolm was scum/scum which has been practically impossible for a few days now (13718)

2) They keep switching their vote when the mood feels like the energy is dying on a wagon. The first time I noticed this was 13657 - Rad to Malcolm, reason given is "I'm bored and you're annoying". Then there's 13734 - back to Rad, reason given is "I guess I can go back to this". Then the latest thing is 13800, over to Johnny, reason is "Rad has cried enough".

3) 2-shot Cop is a weird role to be in a game like this. It doesn't seem balanced for a game like this, and checking 2 now dead town, who didn't seem likely to be eliminated, with the reason of 'paranoia' feels really convenient.

4) Pooky is guilty of hypocrisy regarding ProfessorDrapion. 13222 is a good example of this, Pooky is also an investigative, and hasn't been killed.

Anyway this is my current big sus.

VOTE: Pooky

And this so so much more suss than Drap doing a “paranoia track” on a me a town neighbour and not BBT who he claimed to actually scumread but could have actually confirmed that Drap actually is a tracker and BBT would like have been cleared - in the event Drap actually is in fact a tracker - which we have no way of knowing since only scum!Bella had confirmed his visit on her?

Also, BB is two shot medium and Frogs was two shot role cop, so why isn’t it believable?

Pooky also called Mala locktown and was clearly opposed to her wagon.

~Nancyfly

Drapion is less sus for guiltying mafia.

2-shot town roles exist, so? Cop is way stronger than a medium or a role cop. Imagine if a Cop guiltied 2 mafia. It's surely too OP mech wise. Pooky townread town, mafia do that a lot.

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4) Pooky is guilty of hypocrisy regarding ProfessorDrapion. 13222 is a good example of this, Pooky is also an investigative, and hasn't been killed.

And do you have a serious response for me?

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the reason i am fine with being eliminated is because if you are town I have no desire to work with you in any way and I cannot wait to get away from you.

This is a bit strong if you are town, you should expect to be sussed at some point, it happens all the time.

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The problem for me right now is that my townreads + my townreads's townreads = pretty much the whole lobby.

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Does anyone have all the current claims noted down? Embarrassing as this is, I'm not sure who claimed Masons, all I know is that they're kind of a consensus scumread.

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Do we think Furtive's push on Pooky comes from scum?

signs point to yes

Point me to the signs that point to me

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@BB, why is furtive scum as opposed to just being wrong on Pooky?

Luke and I haven't really discussed in depth but just mentioned that his posting was ew (although pooky's response was also ew), but Luke was going to look into associatives. Not really something either of us want to focus on right now.

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I read in the rules that you're allowed to claim mafia but not claim that you are mafia with someone else. In that case, the mafia are NOT me and TTTT.

But can I trust you?

There may come a time when you have to, if you are town.

Eww

Wouldn't be the first time Luke has said that about my posts.

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I'm thinking anyone but Rad.

VOTE: CatScratchFever

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This day is going nowhere, I don't usually take this argument but this is one of the slowest day phases I've ever played in.

VOTE: Rad

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Someone hammer, hopefully town has some OP night actions!!

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I'm still alive in this game. Wow. #blessed

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VOTE: Malcolm

Let's see if CSF is real JK. #testtheclaim

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Sorry guys, I know I haven't been the most active. If it helps my flavour name is Desmond. I'm a Bulletproof. I don't know whether or not I've been pierced.

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I saw RC said X-shot, I might as well say I'm 1 shot. I know that doesn't fit with the flavour.

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Not flavour, but the theme of 2 shot roles.

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As for my voting on Johnny then Pooky then Rad then Malcolm, we can all agree the day we eliminated Rad was really boring and going nowhere. The thing is that I did townread Rad. But there was no chance of a counter wagon and I wanted to move on.

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I don't want to completely spam it up in here. Bottom line is that there are only 2 mafia left in 14, with a few soft clears. Masons, CSF, Drapion, butterflies, I'd take those as clear and just keep voting non clears. Town will win even if I get voted out, obviously I'd prefer to live. As for my current cw C&G, it's possible that they're mafia. I don't know what they have claimed. But better to vote them than me for sure. Thanks for listening guys. Thumbs up

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VOTE: C&G

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Idk the current VC but I'm fine with following Butter's vote, I just don't want to accidentally hammer

I don't think that you will.
I'm pretty sure that furtive has around 2 votes.
-Guanine

What is yo role if you don't mind?

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I reckon Pooky is mafia, I really do. Calling Malcolm boring as a reason to vote him just seemed paired to me.

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I don't think self-preserving is good for the gamestate, even if I survive people will still want me out. So I'll just vote my scumread.

VOTE: Pooky

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And also don't let BB go unpunished for voting out 2 town in a row.

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Probably no one will listen when I die but don't vote out Drapion or Johnny before Pooky and BB

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Let's face it, Rad was mercilessly smoked by the mob (led by Pooky and BB) for leading on Malcolm.

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I'm sure people will wake up and smell the coffee at some point. Maybe not today, someone arbitrarily decided it was me or C&G and everyone just forgot how to think independently.

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Butterflies is pretty obvious town, but they have too many townreads. I think they have more townreads than there are town left, and it's obstructing mafia being scumread.