TFT uPick [Game over!]

[Legends]

Hello,

This is Titus. Frogsterking and I are now a hydra.

Here's a couple of obvious questions.

Frogster's alignment is not modconfirmed to me to be town, nor am I to him.
If either of us is scum, we both investigate as scum.
If either of us is scum, the slot counts as scum for parity.
We get tracked to whatever abilities we use.
We are multitasking.
Frogsterking's role was not disclosed to me.

Anything else about my role or Frogsterking's has been redacted.

Pedit: Well shit... that's an issue. I didn't predict the dissolving of the hoods.

~Titus

[Legends]

So... what is the upside?

The upside is things that I'm keeping hidden for now, for logical reasons. There's the public portion of the role and a private portion.

I can't very well hide the hydra nature of the role, nor its coordinating power, although significantly nerfed from what I expected.

~Titus

[Legends]

Even if you are both town, didn't we just essentially lose a town member?

Not unless we get eliminated.

~Titus

[Legends]

I'm leaning towards Yume here.

I think I need to sit back and let things develop though.

We are a double voter. I forgot to mention that.

We are one slot for parity.

~Titus

[Legends]

VOTE: NdMath

Voting to show we can and that we're a double voter. Frogster can move.

~Titus

[Legends]

Frogster approves.

Yume will you be our best friend?

~Titus

[Legends]

So wait, how was this supposed to have a three-person center?

So the only question is Frog’s alignment when it comes to reading Legends
Also, if one person in Legends is scum, do both players in it win with scum?

We could recruit a third person, but it's best to hold off given we can't abuse the mechanic and we need things to slow down a bit.

Win conditions don't change.

~Titus

[Legends]

So wait, how was this supposed to have a three-person center?

So the only question is Frog’s alignment when it comes to reading Legends
Also, if one person in Legends is scum, do both players in it win with scum?

We could recruit a third person, but it's best to hold off given we can't abuse the mechanic and we need things to slow down a bit.

Win conditions don't change.

~Titus

Abuse the best friends mechanic like I thought we could

[Legends]

Vivax, how new are you to mafiascum? To mafia?

Can you explain your SRs?

Toog, we're already with Yume.

~Titus

[Legends]

Because I hadn't heard of you and Frogsterking said you were around for quite sometime. We're trying to grasp a theory of who shot mastina and why. Right now, we're looking at two theories which I'd rather play closer to the chest. Both have decent rationales though.

~Titus

[Legends]

@Tic tac can you post a reads list?

-Frog

[Legends]

VOTE: Vivax

~Titus

[Legends]

UNVOTE: Vivax

Frogsterking and I are trying to sort things out.

~Titus

[Legends]

"Legends" has discussed reads during coffee break and has decided not to specify which hydra head feels which way. This is being done in order to avoid pocketing attempts by scum!

Legends has decided to make the following statements:

1) Legends believes Tic tac is scum.

2) Legends believes the following players are Town and has a request for them.

• @Mala
  @Gamma
  @Meerkat
  @Dunnstral
  @SirCakez replacement
  @Yume

Legends believes you're all Town. Yay!

Legends requests updated reads lists from each of you at your earliest opportunity to write one.

Thank you for your time!
-Frog

[Legends]

We can be bossy if need be, but I'd rather not.

Also, Yume can you provide reasons for your reads? That would help.

~Titus

[Legends]

NDMath,

Talk to me more about your Fredrick TR please.

~Titus

[Legends]

Besides. There is a reason she was killed, so at keast one of her scumreads is right. But I am the only one who thinks like that, I guess.

That's one of the possibilities we have been considering.

1) Right reads (or soon to be right reads)

2) Kill to stop town cohesion.

I'm not going to be around as much today. Mandatory work party.

~Titus

[Legends]

Dunn, that would mean scum could ruin town's ability to win by getting modkilled. Scum deaths have to be by any means necessary and legal.

~Titus

[Legends]

VOTE: NDMath

Let's tie these wagons up. I feel much better about the NDMath wagon than Sara.

~Titus

[Legends]

VOTE: beeboy

Just leash NDMath to us and vig them. Given the amount of protection, there must be a vig.

~Titus

[Legends]

am i allowed a hood too?

If you match with someone. I think Toog is available.

~Titus

[Legends]

What's important is that Mala hammer beeboy once they reach eight votes.

-Frog

[Legends]

Drunk Titus ama

~Titus

[Legends]

Yes whiskey. Titus always has bad experiences with whiskey.

[Legends]

But Ginngie is awesome

[Legends]

Everything looks all set for a beeboy execution as long as whoever places beeboy at e-1 makes sure Mala is online for the hammer. Good luck!

-Frog

[Legends]

@beeboy's replacement if you want to be helpful before your execution then feel free to write about your thoughts on the identity of the scum team.

VOTE: beeboy E-4
Whatever, let’s just pick something cuz I got 10 posts left after this

By my count beeboy is at E-2. We're waiting on Mala to come online for the hammer.

I think the wagon looks like

beeboy: Nomsy, Legends (2 votes), NDMath, Meerkat, Gamma, Yume

-Frog

[Legends]

NDMath didn't vote for beeboy or express suspicion there until it was a foregone conclusion that one of the two of them were going to eliminated. On top of that we now have to believe that both Nomsy is town, town has another unclaimed protective role, and NDMath is town, for three protective roles.

There's no reason to believe that the wagons were not both on mafia yesterday

Correct. Beeboy's slot would likely be worse to a scumteam than NDMath because NDMath is active. I have extensive problems with both of those two being supposed bodyguards, not being suspicious of each other and no deaths last night.

I want it on record who both bodyguards allegedly protected.

~Titus

[Legends]

Also, I really don't like Enchant's questions last night.

~Titus

Yesterday.

[Legends]

I also have a problem with Vivax having a double vote, myself getting a double vote in theory and Nomsy providing a second vote for a limited time.

~Titus

[Legends]

VOTE: Vivax

-Frog

[Legends]

Mafia attacked me.

I received .2 dmg, but didn't die.

Good work.

-Frog

[Legends]

The save likely deals with us.

VOTE: Fred

Vivax wagon going too fast.

~Titus

[Legends]

Vivax feels like something i can understand.

Me too.

Say, can I get your thoughts on Fred and Tictac?

~Titus

[Legends]

Meek, totally get that. I have four reasons for this setup.

One, Frogsterking and I agree.
Two, Fred wagon similar to Beeboy.
Three, mechanical.
Four, VCA.

~Titus

[Legends]

I want it on record who both bodyguards allegedly protected.

~Titus

i dont want to say

Grumbles.

~Titus

[Legends]

NDMath didn't vote for beeboy or express suspicion there until it was a foregone conclusion that one of the two of them were going to eliminated. On top of that we now have to believe that both Nomsy is town, town has another unclaimed protective role, and NDMath is town, for three protective roles.

There's no reason to believe that the wagons were not both on mafia yesterday

This might be scum whining. I suspect I know what happened last night.

Why wouldn't Dunn suggest a bulletproof bodyguard?

~Titus

[Legends]

A response would be great NDMath.

Questions welcomed. You can ask through Frogsterking.

~Titus

[Legends]

Hello.

-Frog

[Legends]

Woah

-Frog

[Legends]

Anyone that votes cursed crown I will consider a scum claim as that might turn off protectives.

HEAL: Think fast

~Titus

[Legends]

There are quite a few people familiar with TFT so there's no harm in saying this publicly. We are max size.


~Titus

[Legends]

There are quite a few people familiar with TFT so there's no harm in saying this publicly. We are max size.


~Titus

There are three of us in here. And we have a chat with Yume!

The four of us are the anti‐scum team.

-Frog

[Legends]

One thought I had before getting lost in the moment was the difference between Vivax & Toog describing Dunn in a neighborhood. I also think scum!Dunn is the type of player who would consider intentionally partnering with a scumbuddy for Best Friends.

Spoiler:

NDmath literally just said they weren't responsible for the no death night.

I read it as not it for the no deaths, as in 'it' meaning scum . Tunnel vision on ambiguous writing
My hammer is NAI, but it sucked. Made sense for me to use it with my ability before anyone preceded me, as it made me immune at night. Mood was awful. Still is and I don't see why it shouldn't be.

Enchant counterclaiming the save by saying they got targeted. GE and Mala obvivoting me. Can't blame Mala, but I see opportunism in GE.

Haven't quite figured out the dynamics behind BB wagon yet, but I only have half a brain today and just wanna sleep. Dunnstral was very productive in PT.

-ND

[Legends]

Can y'all stop? I am beatable by dayplay I swear.

~Titus

[Legends]

So I have a couple concerns over the Legends Hydra, and need them to ease me over it.

Firstly is the fact that they are not a triple voter after consuming their third body. This effectively killed one vote that may have been needed for town down the line.

Secondly, if there is even one scum in the hydra, then not only do they have the ability to control the town votes in they Hydra, but now that it has consumed any town players, they have effectively moved us closer to LimLo.

And finally, if all players in the hydra are town, then scum can effectively eliminate 3 PRs in a single shot at night.

None of this is wrong, but we've eaten two shots and a roleblock on the bodyguard most likely making it worth it.

~Titus

[Legends]

Barring a ridiculous scum forgo all their nightkills to conftown Frog or NDMath, we're all town.

~Titus

[Legends]

HAHHAHAA

IF YOU GUYS TRIED TO KILL ME
THATS WHAT YOU GET

Why would scum try to kill you?

~Titus

[Legends]

seems obvious that the hydra was shot at

Hi. Reads?

~Titus

[Legends]

Hi. Reads?

hi, u want, like scattershot ones?

Anything....

[Legends]

toog, mala, yume, town.
u were town until consuming ndmath.

meek, whomeven controls the puppet scumlean
gamma scum

pending update on eod still

Puppet?

Why is Gamma scum? Feels like a far cry from our last game.

~Titus

[Legends]

I have a response to Vivax's mechanical bullshit but I want to see if mala doubles down on being shot or bulletproof.

This might be a two scum caught.

Vivax voting with the wagon we started "because he's curious about Toog's claim" and with his supposeded scumread isn't about curiousity. It's survival.

Going to confer with my other heads but Vivax can die now.

~Titus

[Legends]

Ah yeah there's the modconfirm.
Looks like tictac is on point and Legends could have changed alignments here.
Tictac is on point anyway judging by how good the information is

VOTE: Legends

That's literally a confirm that mala wasn't shot lol.

~Titus

[Legends]

...another Legend emerges?

NDMath joins the Legends hydra.

[Legends]

Mod confirm for what?

How is scum able to shoot during the day multiple times? Or was that town this time? Can anybody claim it

Considering we were shot, it's scum. There is a remote possibility (unlikely) that scum have no nightkill but daykills instead. We definitely ate todays.

~Titus

[Legends]

So Vivax, you're 200% sure you're "confirming" mala was shot?

~Titus

[Legends]

Actually, I do. I didn't have NDMath exact wording. It triggers the first time we would die, not the first time we're targeted for a kill. Small semantics but one would trigger NDMath ability prior to the vest. The other would trigger NDMath after the vest falling. Our bp doesn't come with modconfirmation while the NDMath ability does.

So yeah we were shot N1 and D2.

What's your info?

~Titus

[Legends]

Actually, I do. I didn't have NDMath exact wording. It triggers the first time we would die, not the first time we're targeted for a kill. Small semantics but one would trigger NDMath ability prior to the vest. The other would trigger NDMath after the vest falling. Our bp doesn't come with modconfirmation while the NDMath ability does.

So yeah we were shot N1 and D2.

What's your info?

~Titus

My info? I know I was immune N1, Enchant claimed getting hit, you are claiming N1 hit. There's no clarity on notifications when getting hit.
Then you claim immunity to 2 KP after absorbing someone who seemed like obvious mafia to me on D1.
Maybe when you switch alignments you get an extra life? I dunno, but I know your game agenda changed on this day.

How were you immune N1? Why would

scum

shoot you on N1 given mala's position on policy eliminating you. Again, same rationale for Enchant (but that was pretty obviously troll).

This head alignment stays the same. I made that clear with the initial merge. I can't modconfirm Frogsterking and NDMath but it seems pretty obvious.

You start objecting to the NDMath merge after we didn't die, not at the time.

You're seeing the clock wind down on an augment that might refresh bp abilities.

Pretty transparent.

If necessary, (after Ydrasse and Pooky get on) someone can confirm NDMath Guardian triggered. That's just telling scum they're nk immune which I think the point of this obfuscation is to get at that name.

Unless scum had a grand conspiracy that includes deliberately sandbagging their nightkills to eventually be forced to kill their own, we're all town.

VOTE: Vivax

~Titus

[Legends]

HEAL: Cybernetic Shell III

Should be obvious that this is the move.

~Titus

[Legends]

Vivax is L minus 2

Let's hold off on a lim until the augment resolves.

~Titus

[Legends]

Remember..

Been playing for around 10 years, why?

-Frog

[Legends]

Also, while I am not opposed to a Vivax execution, I would like some pressure on Sara as well.

"I am aligned with Vivax and wish to appear as though I am not aligned with Vivax" Fred says.

-Frog

[Legends]

Legends believes marci to be...

Town

.

-Frog

[Legends]

Let's make sure Vivax gets the "Malatt" today when they're executed!

-Frog

[Legends]

Don't like the marci wagon composition.

We can leash Marci or have her not shoot.

~Titus

[Legends]

Let's make sure Vivax gets the "Malatt" today when they're executed!

-Frog

(ie Mala, mallet, hammer)

-Frog

[Legends]

Let's hammer Vivax so he doesn't steal the vote anymore.

-Frog

[Legends]

Frogsterking, is there anyone other than Vivax you want to execute?

You.

-Frog

[Legends]

NDMath of Legends, you're the part of Legends that I trust most, that is, about the same level as MeekMeerkat. If Yume is active in the neighbourhood with you, please inform me. Maybe give me an idea of how much posting is being done in the neighbourhood by Yume.

Should I be worried that in your opinion the towniest head of a very townie hydra is at 'would vote for' status?
Like unless mafia is using their killpower on one of their own members this slot can't be scum.

Yume's answer is correct that neither them nor us have posted much in the hood.

-ND

[Legends]

IDK just when Vivax does something remotely townie he then goes into troll mode & eases that

@legends:

Why do u think Marci is town

I don’t see her hunting as she normally does
She’s just coming into defend and then runs out

I'm not as confident as the others but for me I haven't been persuaded by the reasons to scumread Marci and the content/tone of her posts seem fine.
I can't speak on the passivity thing since I'm unfamiliar with her meta, but scumreading the janitor claim for being a janitor doesn't make sense as any scum would know that janitor is viewed as a scum role (and thus something they should hide), and Marci's thought process on Beeboy is something I had felt similar to-- of wanting beeboy to return before passing a judgement on the slot. If you're unfamiliar with beeboy there just didn't appear to be much to go off of which was Marci's point there.

Spoiler: related posts

I’m so confused.

I really have only seen janitor as a scum role.

I read back on D1 Marci and she kinda seemed to be wanting to hood with beeboy and tried to use that imo to avoid a lim there.
I could see her as a buddy there but it’s gonna be a bold move if that’s the case
But I feel like she’s very passive here and not aggressive at all
Which I know is in her scum range rather than her town range

Here’s the thing, I don’t mind voting out either Marci or vivax — cause hear me out.
I don’t like vivax at all this day and maybe I’m biased because he stole my hammer which stole an ability from me, but he said he stole it because he didn’t want mafia to potentiall gain something. I can agree with gamma with the genuine in that.

Marcis interactions with Bby sucked. It felt like she was soft defending him from being eliminated and tried to stall it. I also don’t like the janitor claim

So I don’t mind going either way.

I can potentially see both of them being scum because note that neither of them are voting each other when they both know that their neck is on the line

-ND

[Legends]

I'm still thinking Vivax flips scum but I am getting nagging paranoia that scum know he isn't and are jerking around.

~Titus

[Legends]

So I have a 102 fever -.-

Will you be able to hammer today?

-Frog

[Legends]

did this game have hp

Not according to my role PM. Plus, that would mean scum would have to kill Enchant 5btimes. It's a joke.

I am willing to vote marcistar. We have seen zero debuffs so far and neg utility wasn't claimed by SirCakez day 1. marcistar read and didn't claim it.

Ftr, I hate this wagon composition but some of my townreads are off wagons entirely.

~Titus

[Legends]

I TARGET SOMEONE

ALL DEBUFFS ARE REMOVED THEY GET HEALED TO FULL HEALTH

IF THEY AT FULL HEALTH AND NO DEBUFFS

THEY DISINTERGRATE AND GET FLIPPED LIKE THEY WOULD BY A JANITOR

What does 'get healed to full health' entail here? I am not aware of any kind of health point mechanic.

What happens if you are unable to remove a debuff, or unable to heal a player to full health?

Nomsy has to be town imo.

They were blocked to shoot me unless both NDMath and Nomsy are scum. NDMath claimed their ability triggered

upon something that would be their death

which means I had no bulletproof after night 1.

It is very remote Nomsy protected elsewhere.

Enchant asking if we could die by day/nightkill is sketchy. As are the players that tried to eliminate us after the failed shot.

~Titus

~Titus

~Titus

[Legends]

I don't know how my post signed 3 times.

I'm really tired. Back to the road.

~Titus

[Legends]

VOTE: Fred

All heads ok with a Fred lim. Someone count votes please.

~Titus

[Legends]

Why did you post this?

-Frog

[Legends]

Why did you post this?

-Frog

i was hoping toog would actually die

Was this in response to me?

-Frog

[Legends]

216

Can you fill this out Marci?

-Frog

[Legends]

VOTE: dunn

I need the hammer again.
For real.
No vivax if you take it from me this time I will personally ran an elimination on you

...

VOTE: Vivax

-Frog

[Legends]

VOTE: marci

I'm struggling IRL.

~Titus

[Legends]

A voice rings out!

{Marci,Sara,Vivax}

{Meek,Gamma,Legends,tictac}

{[REDACTED],Enchant}

Rule of 3 this btw.

~Titus

[Legends]

A voice rings out!

{Marci,Sara,Vivax}

{Meek,Gamma,Legends,tictac}

{[REDACTED],Enchant}

Rule of 3 this btw.

~Titus

Rule 3?

-Frog

[Legends]

I’ll be down to yeet Marci.

I’m getting hammer tho

I suspect Vivax will attempt to steal the hammer again with double vote.

-Frog

[Legends]

A voice rings out!

{Marci,Sara,Vivax}

{Meek,Gamma,Legends,tictac}

{[REDACTED],Enchant}

Rule of 3 this btw.

~Titus

Rule 3?

-Frog

What do you mean?

-Frog

[Legends]

Spoiler:

"Get angry easily" = yes

"Take charge" = mid, depends on circumstances

"Make people feel welcome" = mid

"Like music" = yes, for the past like year i would stream a single song like 200+ times and then switch and do it again with a diff song
latest song i love is ps5

"Like to tidy up" = sure, my rooms pretty clean mostly

"Like to visit new places" = not really

"Feel comfortable around people" = mid, depends on them

"Interested in many things" = yes

"Love order and regularity" = not mid, but not yes.. in between

"Am afraid to draw attention to myself" = online i dont think so im literally a clown

"Enjoy being part of a large crowd" = online i dont think so im literally a clown

"Cheer people up" = yes

"Lose my temper" = i think ive only done this a handful of times b4

"Enjoy the beauty of nature" = sure

"Enjoy thinking about things" = yes!! its why i enjoy bus rides so long : P

"Cheat to get ahead" = no

"Feel desperate" = dont enjoy

"Rarely overindulge" = ..? im not sure for this one.. i think i can mostly hold myself back but sometimes i break

"Easily resist temptations" = ... im not sure for this one either..? i think maybe mid but not sure.

"Have a high opinion of myself" = yes??? im literally a star

"Waste my time" = i hate

"Need a push to get started" = mid

"Have little to contribute" = ..?im not sure
i feel like i try my best tocontribute but im not the best so i always shy away from being gud

"Keep my cool" = i think im mostly good at this but certain things set me off
im actually so toxic

"Avoid crowds" = prob sometimes

"Turn my back on others" = ..
do i seem like the type?
ive done it before but usually its only when i think things through and decide it'll be best to do that. usually i dont give warning if i do that either LOL I STILL FEEL SO BAD

did i miss any

This is not compliant with what I asked for at all.

-Frog

[Legends]

I low-key think you pushing me+Marci as paired but opting to vote Dunn might implicate a Vivax+Marci pairing.

Do you believe Vivax is doing the Kansas City Shuffle?

-Frog

[Legends]

Uhhh not really?
If you think he is, what do you think his actual game is here?

Make anyone active in the thread look bad including himself while his team lurks out.

-Frog

[Legends]

I want to find out what happens

VOTE: Sara

Mala and Meek cased this slot ages ago and her iso just keeps getting more suspicious with time.

-Frog

[Legends]

I want to find out what happens

VOTE: Sara

Mala and Meek cased this slot ages ago and her iso just keeps getting more suspicious with time.

-Frog

Her ISO keeps getting more suspicious with time? lol how so

Because she's not town telling and the longer it goes on the more suspicious it becomes.

-Frog

[Legends]

I want to find out what happens

VOTE: Sara

Mala and Meek cased this slot ages ago and her iso just keeps getting more suspicious with time.

-Frog

Her ISO keeps getting more suspicious with time? lol how so

Because she's not town telling and the longer it goes on the more suspicious it becomes.

-Frog

You think? Felt like you grabbed the lowest of LHFs you could reach for. Mafs typically float above the LHF, even in real life.

LHFs can Town Tell too and Sara's not doing it.

-Frog

[Legends]

HEAL: New Recruit

Titus wants all the peoples!

Seriously though I don't see an obvious choice with this augment.

I do believe I saw some comments asking about why I post about IRL. I feel that's important to understanding my mindset. It's not enough to determine that something is off, but the question is

why

. Someone could post "gibberish" as a crumb or spam for instance.

Also, Marci's kill going off, no scum nightkill, can we just wrap this up already?

~Titus

[Legends]

Vivax style of scumplay is incredibly obnoxious and I'm not going to hold it against them because it's well within the spirit of the rules and I don't believe their team gave them much choice.

-Frog

[Legends]

“ New Recruit: Gain plus one team size.”

New Recruit augment has been selected! Scum team have gained an additional member.

-Frog

[Legends]

“ New Recruit: Gain plus one team size.”

New Recruit augment has been selected! Scum team have gained an additional member.

-Frog

So far all of the augments seem to have been for towns benefit; I'd imagine New Recruit would help the town more than the mafia, though I'm not sure how.

My idea helps Town by increasing our chances of voting scum.

-Frog