I think mafia might be the good guys in this setup?In post 0, Datisi wrote:but a group of inspectors is not having it. having an obsession with silly things like sanitary violations and humane working conditions, they attempted to get their way in court; but after that had failed, they took the matters into their own hands, vowing to either take the company down from the inside, or get fired trying.
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I think you trying to yeet me for this is extremely rude and also extremely fairIn post 18, fireisredsir wrote:bc this game doesn't have a postcap and larges can sometimes get kinda miserable without one, if d1 starts to get close to like idk 80-100 pages i suggest we simply yeet someone
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I see the theme here and completely agreeIn post 31, mastina wrote:
Probably a scum try hard, which on D1 is a treat-as-town.In post 18, fireisredsir wrote:bc this game doesn't have a postcap and larges can sometimes get kinda miserable without one, if d1 starts to get close to like idk 80-100 pages i suggest we simply yeet someone
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VOTE: ausuka
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my mind jumped to 16:5 because
that's the standard ratio? lol
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the standard ratios are
7:2, 10:3, 13:4, 16:5
for every 3 town you add 1 scum
i don't think i'm hallicunating this? it's a normal thing?
even if you think that the setup could justify a different assumption i'm not sure what you are getting at here with pushing me on 16:5. it does not feel genuine.Reach for my hand, I'll soar away into the dawn-
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um, I was discussing the faction ratio because it was the topic in the game thread, and stated i thought 16:5 was likely. Ircher used 17:4 without explaining why in a calculation without talking about it. This is not the same situation.In post 304, PenguinPower wrote:
no, but i thought it was interesting you were calling out ircher for assuming a ratio without explanation when you were doing the sameIn post 299, Ausuka wrote:do you think me saying 16:5 is normal is alignment indicative? lol
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I don't know why you're talking to me in the way you are - I don't think I said anything bad to you? There aren't a load of games in this size, but here's a 19 player game with 5 scum if that helpsReach for my hand, I'll soar away into the dawn-
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I also think 4 scum is possible - I think Ircher using it in a calculation without even talking about it is possibly a sign of TMI, which wouldn't be the case if we had 5 scum. People seem to be thinking I'm either scum or stupid for saying I initially thought there would be 5 scum and I am trying to explain that I believe it to be standard.Reach for my hand, I'll soar away into the dawn-
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i'm sorry if you felt insulted by me saying thatIn post 321, PenguinPower wrote:In post 317, Ausuka wrote:viewtopic.php?p=13278073
I don't know why you're talking to me in the way you are - I don't think I said anything bad to you? There aren't a load of games in this size, but here's a 19 player game with 5 scum if that helpsmostly because of this. lol.
oh and here's a 20p game with 4: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=89500
and a 19pdatisigame with 4: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=89120
and a 21p game with 4 (+ 3rd party): viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88500
anyway, 19p and 20p are different from 21p because town has less miselims, and a serial killer changes the faction ratio. i think my point about ircher makes sense.Reach for my hand, I'll soar away into the dawn-
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I am playing differently from my normal playstyle in this game and that is intentionalIn post 361, petapan wrote:bad vibes:
vivax
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I disagree! I uncontroversially think furtive is town this game thoughIn post 374, furtiveglance wrote:221 doesn't make a lot of sense, but I don't think it's scummy. I like that Titus calls some posts town straight up, it's town indicative I think.Reach for my hand, I'll soar away into the dawn-
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Why do you think titus/me/you isn't a real scumread list people can haveIn post 392, Vivax wrote:For weird flails and misjudging vibes and cause by now Ircher seems too obvious to be scum.
I believe it, honestly
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I mean when Datisi bullied me into signing up for this game I agreed on the condition that I would RNG my reads so if anything I'd say I'm outperforming expectations hereIn post 688, furtiveglance wrote:Ausuka: Seems very different to Mini Normal 2279 in which they were my first townread and pretty much a UTR from the get go. Could be due to RVS wagon, larger game or anything else but notable.
(I am going to be playing intensely more relaxed in this game due to a combination of being busier and the size of this game I'm afraid! Although I'm also curious to see the advantages and disadvantages that come with not being mostly townread by people as well)Reach for my hand, I'll soar away into the dawn-
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I still think Ircher is a wolf if that helps!In post 705, furtiveglance wrote:
Do you have anything so far, or just chilling being disadvantaged?In post 704, Ausuka wrote:Oh I'm sure the disadvantages will outweigh the advantages but maybe people will be easier to read this way?? Who knows!
I want to be cautious with Vivax because he seems like the sort of person who's naturally scummy but I don't really like the way he pivots away from Ircher for being too scummy to be scum and then returns because apparently he'd be hammered if he's town??? Especially with Ircher voting Vivax, I feel like if Ircher is scum Vivax is a good place to start d2Reach for my hand, I'll soar away into the dawn-
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I vibe with this? I don't know how to articulate it but regardless of Vivax's alignment the push by Ircher just felt BadIn post 485, petapan wrote:the last time i pumped the brakes on an early day 1 ircher wagon he was scum who escaped to get a night action
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Ok so I've seen a few Klick gamesIn post 512, Klick wrote:PenguinPower
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Andresvmb
fireisredsir
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Most of them were town and he came across as active, capable, confident, all that stuff. There was one where I modded and he seemed, like, fairly distinctively different from that? He didn't just zeropost, but he came across as like, significantly less engaged I think and ended up getting eliminated not long after replacing in.
For people who know him better than I do, is this a consistent pattern, because if so he is probably town this game
My read on Mala is similar in that I don't really know either of them that well but I feel like mala's towngame also looks more like this??Reach for my hand, I'll soar away into the dawn-
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I feel like this is an overly cynical way of looking at the wagonIn post 573, Ydrasse wrote:I feel like even if ircher is wolf this wagon is bad news bears
feels super easy to jump on and push because everyone want to be smart if town and catch the slip and wolf can jump on momentum without having to do much and get credit
need make sure everyone explicitly say why they vote ircher if not just for slip than for which of posts (should be easy since few)
I wouldn't really call it a slip but more potentially TMI? Regardless I'd say Ircher has been pretty scummy outside of that and like
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Am interested to hear why you were townleaning me at this point?In post 580, Vivax wrote:Here's a tentative readslist, very gut-heavy. Feel free to ask for expounding on what you disagree with.
Town: Ydrasse, Andres, Nero, Roden, Uncrowned, Furtive
Lean T: Peta, Fire, Ausuka
Null: BBT, JJH, Titus, S_S, Mala
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what does this meanIn post 735, Vivax wrote:
Me tooIn post 734, Ausuka wrote:
Am interested to hear why you were townleaning me at this point?In post 580, Vivax wrote:Here's a tentative readslist, very gut-heavy. Feel free to ask for expounding on what you disagree with.
Town: Ydrasse, Andres, Nero, Roden, Uncrowned, Furtive
Lean T: Peta, Fire, Ausuka
Null: BBT, JJH, Titus, S_S, Mala
Lean/possible S: Mastina, Penguin, RCEnigma, Luke, Ircher, Klick
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I read some stuff. I think scum bussed ircher and I think titus vote looks like a bus
I agree with thisIn post 517, petapan wrote:that being said her refrain of "it's not a slip but ircher is frozen obvscum!!" gets really weird if ircher is scum, imoReach for my hand, I'll soar away into the dawn-
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In post 154, Titus wrote:
I like Ydrasse as town based on how things have progressed so far. Not really seeing the ausuka wagon. Not feeling mastina, even if I disagree on strategy.In post 108, Datisi wrote:vote count 1.01
with 21 votes in play, it takes 11 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-09-29 01:45:00).
VOTE: Ircher
Specifically I'd like titus to elaborate on why she thought Ircher is scum without buying into the TMI argument - she votes him without really pushing there and then says 'dude's not town'In post 204, Titus wrote:
Why suppose he's right?In post 202, Uncrowned wrote:i mean now we play the game
what's more likely
mr. ircher just guessed the ratio or he's a very informed doggo
Dude's not town but I hate slip arguments
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I mean I didn't say thatIn post 1075, mastina wrote:Scum certainly did bus Ircher, but don't make the surface-level conclusion that all scum did.Reach for my hand, I'll soar away into the dawn-
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Roden is talking as if his role PM looks something like thisIn post 1003, Datisi wrote:
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I mean honestly I still think that role should never be used because mailman is basically useless imo and if there are multiple such roles which have low percentages they can give scum a nightkill without doing much, if anything, for town
That said I guess I could see someone not agreeing
pedit: What I was getting at is it's easier to ignore the percentages when it's not in your role PM and your first response to me was just like "why would anyone ever not use a role" which I was kind of baffled by
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I guess it doesn't matter that much but I just fundamentally disagree with this line of thinking. Sure you might not individually make much difference but cumulatively people thinking this way can absolutely give mafia free killsIn post 1264, Lukewarm wrote:
I have seen several people ask why he would use his ability if he is town, but it feels you are skipping past how little productivity he claimed that it needed.In post 1256, Ausuka wrote:Roden is talking as if his role PM looks something like this
If it did, I mean, why not use your ability?
ngl, if I had a PR that only needed 5% I'm not really sure that I would not have ended up using it even if its bad, on the basis of "well its just 5%." With 17 townies alive, that is as a shift of the town average by -0.29% -- which does feel kinda irrelevant.
Like it only affects the scum kill count if the town is exactly inside the 75.00%-75.29% | 50.00%-50.29% | 25.00% - 25.29% before considering him.
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LolIn post 1288, Roden wrote:
Scum responseIn post 1284, Ausuka wrote:I am hoping she has an extremely good reason for doing soReach for my hand, I'll soar away into the dawn-
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Yeah I mean I'm just voting him because I think he's been scummy now which is also the reason I did it in the first place soIn post 1291, Lukewarm wrote:
I understand your point. Running that role at 100% productivity is probably optimal.In post 1281, Ausuka wrote:I guess it doesn't matter that much but I just fundamentally disagree with this line of thinking. Sure you might not individually make much difference but cumulatively people thinking this way can absolutely give mafia free kills
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After I realised you used the 5% version I haven't called it scummy onceIn post 1293, Roden wrote:
-5% is scummyIn post 1289, Ausuka wrote:
LolIn post 1288, Roden wrote:
Scum responseIn post 1284, Ausuka wrote:I am hoping she has an extremely good reason for doing so
-100% earns a shrug
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1) it felt like people were pressing me on it and I wanted to respondIn post 1304, Roden wrote:
I don't understand why you're arguing the logistics of using a 5% ability then.In post 1298, Ausuka wrote:
After I realised you used the 5% version I haven't called it scummy onceIn post 1293, Roden wrote:
-5% is scummyIn post 1289, Ausuka wrote:
LolIn post 1288, Roden wrote:
Scum responseIn post 1284, Ausuka wrote:I am hoping she has an extremely good reason for doing so
-100% earns a shrug
That's not a townie thought process
2) a very small chance of this denying mafia a kill is better than zero chance i guess!
that wasn't a reason, i said i wanted a full claim because mastina and jjh were saying your claim was like possibly mechanically scum or something along those linesIn post 1306, Roden wrote:
The reason you gave for voting me was that you wanted a full claim. You didn't mention anything about your read on me or what you found scummy.In post 1301, Ausuka wrote:I mean I haven't been that talkative in general, I do think your d1 was scummy and that was the main reason I voted
the reason I voted you was because I saw that you were a wagon, I read your ISO and saw that you just kind of like, didn't acknowledge the Ircher wagon really? and didn't like your vibes in general so decided to add my vote to itReach for my hand, I'll soar away into the dawn-
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I mean if you don't believe I am more busy after starting university compared to before that, idk what to tell you - postcount doesn't equate to time spent on the game, there's a correlation but of course making short and less comprehensive posts is going to be easierIn post 1383, furtiveglance wrote:I've felt since early on this game that Ausuka has upped the meme/openwolf/casual posting style compared to Mini Normal 2279, and 534 just feels like a get-out clause. Yeah they said busy IRL but the post count isn't the difference (or not what I'm noticing anyway). 1012 bringing Petapan's voice to the fore could possibly explain that kill i.e. framekill Titus. 1033 is prescient but possible to speculate as town. 1281 et al struck me as LAMIST recently, and I do think Roden correctly finds Ausuka guilty of inconsistency regarding him and Mastina. Scumlean
I think acknowledging dead town is often a good idea
Mastina is unclaimed and I don't know what she's trying to use the productivity points for is the big difference there, how am I supposed to comment without knowing basically *anything* about the situationReach for my hand, I'll soar away into the dawn-
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I mean, this was in response to peta talking about my meta, can you elaborate on what exactly about it you find oddIn post 1399, fireisredsir wrote:one issue i do have with luke ig is i don't understand the ausuka townread, i don't think the roden interaction is remotely clearing and besides that i don't think she's been very towny yet. the lampshading of "yes im playing differently, it's on purpose!" felt kinda off to meReach for my hand, I'll soar away into the dawn