Because they didn’t read carefully enough?In post 48, mastina wrote:Btw Roden is scum here pretty sure.
Btw I’m rusty since I haven’t played in 4 months, so bear with me.
Because they didn’t read carefully enough?In post 48, mastina wrote:Btw Roden is scum here pretty sure.
I don’t mind your self-confidence - just make sure it doesn’t cloud your judgment.In post 62, Uncrowned wrote:yeah i can imagine it would be difficult having to come back and play scumIn post 49, Andresvmb wrote:Because they didn’t read carefully enough?In post 48, mastina wrote:Btw Roden is scum here pretty sure.
Btw I’m rusty since I haven’t played in 4 months, so bear with me.
it's ok take it slow i'll call you out later
Do you want to expand upon this? I wanted to put this vote down when I first saw the explanation (announcing that you’ll be 0% productive could be a ploy to get the Town PRs to be more cautious with their use of productivity points), but it’s a bit brazen to start no?
I’ll do what I want thanks.In post 66, Uncrowned wrote:then do it
Because they’ve filled the thread with nothing but hot air so far.
I don’t like the assumption about the kinds of mistakes Roden (or anyone else) can make. I’ve seen intelligent players make mental errors or misread rules all the time.In post 70, mastina wrote:No, because I've played with Roden enough to know that this isn’t Rodens towngame.In post 49, Andresvmb wrote:Because they didn’t read carefully enough?In post 48, mastina wrote:Btw Roden is scum here pretty sure.
Btw I’m rusty since I haven’t played in 4 months, so bear with me.
Roden is also not likely to genuinely make the mistake as town.
Beyond that, the contribution is generically a scum one regardless of the above.
Is it your goal to play the game by using the largest amount of links possible and very few words?In post 75, Nero Cain wrote:
I think this slot is Scum too actually. Up to where I read, I wouldn’t move my vote on Ydrasse, but I’ll keep reading.In post 434, Vivax wrote:Well, because we were on course for an Ircher lim for presumably good reason, and when I checked in I saw a bunch of strange stuff, and the strangest one was him posting a list with mostly reasonable people at the bottom, imho.
VOTE: Ircher
I'll go back to Ircher, actually. L-1
But more tomorrow when I'm sober if nobody hammers.
Since when do you not care about votes on you? Or engaging with the people voting you? I just don’t remember you posting like this when we’ve played in the past. Do I have it wrong? Like why the nonchalance? I usually get irritated when I’m read wrongly and people get all stubborn about it. I remember you caring a bit. What happened? Is there anything specific to this game?In post 486, Ydrasse wrote:Trewly i do not careIn post 484, Uncrowned wrote:ydrasse how do you feel about your wagon
Did you explain why you changed your mind on Uncrowned already? Don’t answer if you have, I’ll find it. Otherwise, want to elaborate?In post 572, Ydrasse wrote:s_s, furtive, klick, peta (..?), uncrowned (.....?)
i work with these as main comfy town for now
UNVOTE:
Gullible? Haha how? I expressed that I think Nero is Scum. I also expressed relief because Nero is a difficult player sink as Scum. And they’re generally abrasive, so I would rather not have to deal with it. I also would add that I think Nero adds to the Town.In post 797, Vivax wrote:This feels a bit too gullible if they expect Nero to be a challenging scumIn post 786, Andresvmb wrote:I like Nero for Town. Which is a good thing because fighting Scum!Nero is a horrible experience.
^Nero is Town.*In post 801, Andresvmb wrote:Gullible? Haha how? I expressed that I think Nero is Scum. I also expressed relief because Nero is a difficult player sink as Scum. And they’re generally abrasive, so I would rather not have to deal with it. I also would add that I think Nero adds to the Town.In post 797, Vivax wrote:This feels a bit too gullible if they expect Nero to be a challenging scumIn post 786, Andresvmb wrote:I like Nero for Town. Which is a good thing because fighting Scum!Nero is a horrible experience.
But maybe I’m misreading what you’re saying. Do you think Nero is fooling me and is Scum? Like what’s the take?
Sigh. This is the sort of shit I would be saying if I think I’m going to get killed and I’m Scum.In post 805, Ircher wrote:I'm not here to get town reads. I'm here for the *experience*.
Should I be congratulating you when you take shots at me? Didn’t you call me gullible or did I miss that? My point was simply that I don’t think Nero is Scum, which is a good thing because they’re tough to deal with as Scum. You will have noticed that I didn’t say Nero is difficult to pinpoint as Scum. I would have hedged my remarks quite a bit more if that were the case. Since I didn’t understand what you meant, I asked you to clarify. You can get all upset about it if you want, and not answer, but that doesn’t help me figure out what you are.
The attitude of someone who didn’t walk into a good situation? What does that even mean? Do you want to expand upon that? If I’m understanding you correctly, you think I’m sussing you in an effort to protect Ircher. That’s the argument yeah?In post 820, Vivax wrote:I just think you have the attitude of someone who didn't walk into a good situation and vibes with negativity in an environment of logic.In post 817, Andresvmb wrote:Should I be congratulating you when you take shots at me? Didn’t you call me gullible or did I miss that? My point was simply that I don’t think Nero is Scum, which is a good thing because they’re tough to deal with as Scum. You will have noticed that I didn’t say Nero is difficult to pinpoint as Scum. I would have hedged my remarks quite a bit more if that were the case. Since I didn’t understand what you meant, I asked you to clarify. You can get all upset about it if you want, and not answer, but that doesn’t help me figure out what you are.
That said, Klick makes it to townleans, and you to scumleans.
Wait, I’m confused. What backtrack?In post 832, Vivax wrote:Okay you Ebwoped it, but then you said this
Dirty backtrackIn post 829, Andresvmb wrote:I don’t SR Nero. I don’t think I’ve ever said that.
Hahaha okay. I think you’re Scum doubling down on a bad take. But I’ll stop arguing with you directly.In post 839, Vivax wrote:Regardless, it's an interesting typo. You type way too much around that opinion for my taste, and the mistake is icing on the cake.In post 838, Andresvmb wrote:I made an error typing out my thoughts which I quickly corrected. If you’re going to argue that’s a backtrack, that’s a horrific position to adopt.
Is it just me noticing that this slot has been utterly and completely useless? I don’t think so, and I don’t actually think it’s necessarily Scum, but c’mon now. This is worse than when I’m flaking on a game.In post 322, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Good postingIn post 308, Something_Smart wrote:This assumes that there really are 5 scum, then? Otherwise how would scum be more likely notice the mistake?In post 302, Vivax wrote:I'm not opposed to flipping Ircher here but I'd like it acknowledged that a town flip means that scum was most likely to saw them slipping first...Because their perspective allowed them to.
I was re-reading the game and one of the things that caught my eye was how some of the votes moved around towards the beginning of the game after Ircher was asked about the assumption on how many Scum there were. Vivax was particularly over the top about trying to move the pressure away from Ircher without defending them directly (and if you read the progression there, it’s pretty horrific if you ask me). But PenguinPower does a bit the same thing. I’m talking about literally the first five pages or so, so it’s not that hard to check.In post 1043, fireisredsir wrote:why do you think penguinIn post 1040, Andresvmb wrote:I would game that there’s one Scum in {Vivax, PenguinPower}. And mastina not dying is both expected and not a good sign.
Yeah I called them Town before the day ended yesterday.In post 1054, furtiveglance wrote:Andres, has your read on Ydrasse changed?
@Vivax would you argue Scum makes this post? Like why the vote there?In post 189, furtiveglance wrote:Ircher hasn't been on since this. It totally assumes 17/4 whereas I assumed 16/5 like other large games I've seen.In post 39, Lukewarm wrote:Is this just you guessing that this game is a 17:4, or did I miss that info somewhere, or?In post 19, Ircher wrote:As long as we achieve 1,275 points out of 1,700 points each day, we will be fine. If mastina is setting hers to 0%, then we need to average 80 points per player to avoid the extra night kills.
Lukewarm is an absurdly bad slot to flip here, to be honest. Like I don’t believe you genuinely think that slot is decently likely to be Scum. Maybe I’m being very basic, but how is 588 + the early questioning not just disqualifying as a place to look today? I don’t get it.In post 1097, Vivax wrote:EnoughIn post 1093, PenguinPower wrote:I think you don't understand how D1 went down.In post 1090, Vivax wrote:P-edit: Always try to follow the guide of some fella called ace when vig. Kill coinflips early. Less wiggle room to push a mislim, and disencourage that type of play.
How many larges how have you played?
But let's consider this: The ones who called it weird either don't reply (FG) or believe it (Fire)
While Luke goes on attack mode after not commenting, supposedly having no info whatsoever of how many extra kills scum had. At the very least, you'd have reason to assume Luke has an agenda or ulterior motive here.
I want you to explain why Vivax is hard Town to you. I’m not ruling it out by any means, but outside their implied claim (which is important I’ll admit), I find it hard to believe that you genuinely think they’re hard Town.In post 1099, mastina wrote:Titus COULD be scum, but Roden IS scum.
And Vivax is hard-town to me.
Everyone off the Ircher wagon except Roden, Fire, and Malakittens are hard-town to me. Malakittens is not locked, but still far more likely town than not.
Vivax is always town here, as are many members of the Ircher wagon.
While Titus is in the remainder which COULD be scum, it'd be a departure from her norm and thus is less likely.
Vivax v Titus as a dilemma thus has a high chance of being town-town and I therefore refuse to accept it.
IF there’s scum in there, it's Titus, but she's not the most likely to be scum.
I think I understand where you’re coming from with that actually.In post 1117, mastina wrote:Have you heard about the idea that scum see their scumbuddies slip in situations that the town wouldn't?In post 1070, Andresvmb wrote:Lukewarm is really the player that asked the important blow up question first so unless that was planned (not likely) I wouldn’t vote there either.
And how every time, the scum insist that they would've seen it as town, when actually, no, they wouldn't have?
Lukewarm is the MOST suspicious, not the least.
I was beginning to trust Nero Cain pretty strongly, and unfortunately they were NK’ed (most likely), I was skeptical of the slip (and I was wrong), and the one player I most strongly suspected is probably Town via claim. I am assuming (as I think is most likely), that productivity did not drop below 50%. I don’t see the Scum shooting BBT there N1, but obviously if Vivax is full of shit, then they did. So, the few things I was trying to anchor my view of the game around are not here or are not reliable. Which means, I need to put in work.In post 1124, fireisredsir wrote:can you expand on this, i don't quite followIn post 1123, Andresvmb wrote:Look my view of the game just got blown up. The two Town that died yesterday I was positive on, particularly Nero Cain
This does not at all square with your vote on Titus. Like not the least bit. Do you not see the inconsistency? Why aren’t you pressuring RCEnigma then?In post 1129, Roden wrote:I think any scum who joined the Ircher wagon would do so nonchalantly, the slip would've panicked the scum team and they wouldn't be sure whether or not Ircher could get away with it in the moment. The pile up happened so quickly that scum would most likely feel too self-conscious to make a big deal out of it or make a hard push, in fear of coming off as informed.In post 1060, Andresvmb wrote:@Roden yeah maybe. But you also have to make a decision as Scum. Either you push Ircher right then and there about a potential slip that Ircher may be able to get away from (I didn’t find the “slip” killer, the freezing is what did Ircher in), or you hold off, and you position yourself around the flip that started seeming more and more inevitable as the day went on. Look at Vivax’s play and tell me that’s not what you see.
Look Vivax could have just been wrong and Town that’s always possible. But they were definitely the one player I thought was the Scummiest yesterday. It’s hard for me to look away right now.
If I had to guess, I'd say two scum on wagon, one scum off.
I didn’t call it Scummy I called it odd.In post 1148, Roden wrote:I'm voting Titus because it's a read on how she plays the game as scum. She kills threats and stays low key. I can scum read her independently of how I think the scum team played around Ircher's slip. If you think that's a scummy thought process then you're gonna have to explain why because I don't get it.In post 1136, Andresvmb wrote:You’re using the NK to justify your vote, which is always suspect (it’s like you haven’t even considered that Scum make kills to confuse / frame the Town). But the single most important way you’re pointing to for identifying Scum in the game from day play conflicts directly with that vote. The fact that you’re not even acknowledging that is bizarre.
I was trying to put a vote down based on what someone who seems to have a better grasp on the game is voting (I think mastina is Town?). I haven’t actually myself figured out who I think is most likely to be Scum.In post 1180, Roden wrote:The thing is that I wouldn't question you on that. I don't think it's odd to have conflicting scum reads, or have a specific scum read as an exception to how one thinks scum would play.In post 1177, Andresvmb wrote:I didn’t call it Scummy I called it odd.In post 1148, Roden wrote:I'm voting Titus because it's a read on how she plays the game as scum. She kills threats and stays low key. I can scum read her independently of how I think the scum team played around Ircher's slip. If you think that's a scummy thought process then you're gonna have to explain why because I don't get it.In post 1136, Andresvmb wrote:You’re using the NK to justify your vote, which is always suspect (it’s like you haven’t even considered that Scum make kills to confuse / frame the Town). But the single most important way you’re pointing to for identifying Scum in the game from day play conflicts directly with that vote. The fact that you’re not even acknowledging that is bizarre.
Imagine I said that I think Scum went out of their way to defend Ircher. And then I voted Titus. And when you asked me why, I made the NK argument you made. I would fully expect for you to ask me well, Titus actively attacked Ircher the entire time. Doesn’t that give you pause? Wouldn’t that contradict what you’re saying is the main reason to suspect someone to be Scum? That’s more where I’m coming from. Not being consistent with your thought process isn’t Scum indicative actually. At least I don’t think so.
And I figured you saw the thought process as scummy because you were voting me. I don't think you voted me just because you think I'm odd.
I have been thinking about this, and I think it’s silly to doubt mastina as Town at this point.In post 1595, Vivax wrote:UNVOTE:
Luke, mastina, (???)
I don‘t know, maybe Ydrasse for third
But I‘m never limming Roden today I think after re-ISOing.
This extremely obstinate defense almost always comes from town in my experience. Especially when it‘s so genuinely egocentrist at times (not negatively connotated as it‘s a townie process)