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My role has nothing to do with prunes….In post 4309, furtiveglance wrote:
Is there a reason you don't want to out flavour and stuff? I can't remember what Yume said...something about prunes?In post 4307, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I have role-related knowledge that someone either tried to kill Meuhorused a negative utility action on her during the “Noon” phase
I don’t want to out flavor because there’s a part to my role that hasn’t been outed yet but would be obvious once I claimed flavor
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Can you clarify what sun attuned means again?In post 4311, Meuh wrote:Fun! unwnd is attuned with the sun. Therefore not aligned with the lunar cult.
I vaguely recall people saying unwnd was weird with the wagon on the person who just flipped lunar? I saw that on the last page. I picked unwd cause of that + Mastina having unwnd low on reads.-
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What made you change your mind on Mastina?
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NoIn post 4327, Radical Rat wrote:
So you can act during BOTH Noon AND Night? Is that correct?In post 4307, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I have role-related knowledge that someone either tried to kill Meuhorused a negative utility action on her during the “Noon” phase-
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I only learn if they were targeted by a kill or some negative ability. Unlike a normal watcher, I don’t know who targeted themIn post 4333, Scarfmanship wrote:What does it mean to role watch? Do you learn what roles visit them?-
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I can only pick my watch target on nights! But the watch ability remains active until the following night (so it was still active during noon 1)In post 4342, furtiveglance wrote:
b r u hIn post 4339, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:@furtive, that’s correct. I double checked that with MegA, Mastina wasn’t targeted last Night (night 1)
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Are you thinking Mastina is likely town because scum tried to kill her?In post 4340, Radical Rat wrote:UNVOTE:
Okay, I'll buy that. Response was fast enough for there not to have been deliberation, and it also explains why you were on mastina/Meuh in the first place.
Which also means Meuh is 99% likely to be Town, and I owe mastina an apology...
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I cannot guarantee that it was scum that targeted her. albeit I agree it was likely scum, since I don’t see why town would mess with a claimed investIn post 4307, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I have role-related knowledge that someone either tried to kill Meuhorused a negative utility action on her during the “Noon” phase
Given there was no kill, do you feel comfortable outing your doc target Rat?-
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In post 4360, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:My list of people who are fairly likely to be scum at the moment, either aligned with MMR or not, and therefore who I'd love to vote today:
Radical Rat
Enchant
Toogeloo
Furtiveglance
VOTE: furtiveglance
I'm okay with the other 3 names in the listIn post 4361, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:Over the night I also had mastina, Firebringer and unwnd as potential scum, but I think all three have interactions that make them unlikely to be partnered with MMR
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I'm surprised you didn't suss them more given the sketchiness of how they claimedIn post 4375, Enchant wrote:I am never scum with MMR oh god, i would prevent this mistake of fakeclaim.-
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I don't think that makes them town in multiball. I think it's a bit suspicious how Rat didn't come out of the gate announcing their doc target. T-Bone is also an interesting target given he wasn't on that final MMR wagonIn post 4383, Past Present Future wrote:
Didn't RR claim a doctor like role and no one died? Yet you still want to lim them?In post 4360, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:My list of people who are fairly likely to be scum at the moment, either aligned with MMR or not, and therefore who I'd love to vote today:
Radical Rat
Enchant
Toogeloo
Furtiveglance
VOTE: furtiveglance
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Why are we a trio?In post 4387, MathBlade wrote:I am also not convinced on the Mastina/Yume/RR trio-
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Possible yes, but other factional abilities are not guaranteed to even exist unlike the factional kill. We don't know what's in the [redacted] part of the role PMIn post 4417, MathBlade wrote:There’s no reason scum can’t have other factional abilities.-
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I kind of doubt alignment changes exist based on MegA's post in the Large Theme Game thread thoughIn post 4421, MathBlade wrote:
Solar Cult and Lunar Cult - These are the two scum factions. They have nonstandard factional abilities and are not neccisarily identical. Although they are flavored as cults, conversion abilities are neither confirmed nor denied to exist.In post 4419, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
Possible yes, but other factional abilities are not guaranteed to even exist unlike the factional kill. We don't know what's in the [redacted] part of the role PMIn post 4417, MathBlade wrote:There’s no reason scum can’t have other factional abilities.
From the OP.
Reasonable assumption other factionals exist
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Bastard elements are "kept to a minimum"... alignment changes are more than "minimum" imo
I accept the premise that it's more likely for there to be weird things in this game than normal, but still, they are less likely to exist than a factional nk-
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I think you raise a plausible point. I just need to think about them more tomorrow, because my brain is kind of fried right nowIn post 4427, MathBlade wrote:Then because if PPF flips scum MMR buys longevity it’s more likely MMR genuinely scumread PPF
I also think it's easier to read Nancy through her posting in real time, so I'm also lowkey hoping I don't have to work through the messy mech of the MMR claim tbh-
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Did you claim pr d1?In post 4431, Past Present Future wrote:@CSF I’m basing it not just on them being on our wagon but them pushing me to vote out an obvtown pr d1. And MMR also clearly preferred Mastina over us as well.-
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If MMR wanted to look better on a PPF flip, I'm kind of confused why they didn't push PPF?In post 4437, MathBlade wrote:But mechanically I don’t see what scum were doing.
I think RR has a decent chance of being scum.Mastina/Yume/RR/PPF => assume all town why no RR dead-
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I claimed Night Role Watcher + something else unclaimedIn post 4450, Meuh wrote:If possible could I get some sort of list of claims/important info thus far in the game? I’m lost and I’d like to know some basics at least
Math claimed Day 2 dayvig
Rat claimed Noon doctor
I think there were some VT claims too but I forget who exactly those are
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YesterDay, MMR claimed Loyal Neapolitan with "no result" on Past Present Future - effectively claiming a guilty on PPF except MMR didn't actually push PPF for most of the Day
MMR then flipped Lunar passive rolecop with the condition that they always get Vanilla results on Solar mafia
Now MathBlade's theory (as I understand it) is that MMR actually got a Vanilla rolecop result on PPF. And since PPF were maybe softing a PR claim on Day 1 (this still needs to be verified) ---> this led MMR to think PPF is Solar scum with a PR (since their rolecop result on Town!PPF wouldn't have been Vanilla)
So I guess open questions are:
(1) Why did PPF claim a no result on PPF when they weren't under duress,
(2) did PPF claim or obviously suggest they were PR on day 1, and
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I'm going to spoiler it because it's not that important, but it's kind of funny in a painful wayIn post 4453, MathBlade wrote:Yume/CSF slot -> Some kind of invest role that checked you twice (or forced check twice) after offering to check me. Seems sus mechanically but good day play.
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How do you explain my role result?In post 4476, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:Mastinaslot is probably a better shot than PPF
The more I think about mastina's claimed role the more it just feels like a scumclaim
Math and I have just been *blessed* by the Lunar and Solar gods and all of a sudden we *can't* be targeted by mastina?
There's zero reason for this to be true with the role that mastina claimed. There's no reason to stop her from targeting us if she just has an investigative role.
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I think he's doing more here than in nqn2, but I'm not sure he's actually outside his scumrange and there's been one or two things that's pinged meIn post 4484, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:
Did you follow Not Quite Normal Multiball 2 at all? I'm not seeing very many differences between Enchant's play here and his play in this game (he was scum). Though anyone who was in that game I'd love another opinion on Enchant's play here.In post 4480, unwnd wrote:I especially find Enchant grating, but that quality of being obstinate favors a town who literally does not fucking care. It's not the same as scum pretending not to care, because it's extremely unfiltered.-
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Disagree, I think unwnd is a better vig than PPFIn post 4636, Scarfmanship wrote:The lack of reaction to unwnd being checked solar attuned is concerning to me, but not vigging PPF here would be extremely suspect play.
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There are reasons why your me/mastina/unwnd theory doesn't make sense, but we can cross that bridge when we get to itIn post 4643, MathBlade wrote:Then if unwd flips Solar CSF likely should be flipped with all due haste.-
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Why is Toog scummy for this when you did the same thing?In post 4349, Scarfmanship wrote:My favorite first kill today is toogaloo. They have done nothing good, and pushed the PPF wagon until the end, when MMR was the far better choice.-
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Compared to the other 2 slots also on MMR yesterday (Toog and enchant), I think they're doing more solving. I'm not sure though, the unwnd flip makes me feel less confident in generalIn post 4741, Past Present Future wrote:
Again @CSF why is this town? Flip + MMR’s not voting until pretty much they were at risk of being run up debunks this and he’s still trying to drive a miselim on us in spite of it.In post 4739, Scarfmanship wrote:Whatever. Can't carry people who can't carry themselves.
Would the lunars (who likely know PPF is solar) even want to kill PPF tonight? I don't know what scum's optimal kill strategy is in multiball. Is it a prisoner's dilemma where lunars want us to vote out PPF and we want them to kill PPF?-
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Do you think the VT claims are town?In post 4749, Meuh wrote:Spoiler:
This is all explicitly VT
Wish I would've actually posted my thoughts at the time but I was reading while doing other stuff
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Need to prod dodge because World Cup + work has me dead
some cursory thoughts are that RR seems very unlikely to be Lunar with MMR, so theyre probably town. Toog said something earlier that makes him a bit townie
I think I’d be ok with wagons furtive or Enchant
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What do you think of 4898?In post 4927, furtiveglance wrote:I swear Firebringer, Toogeloo and Ydrasse are just all scum-
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Sorry I'm behind but what made you change your mind on Scarf?In post 5129, Past Present Future wrote:UNVOTE:
I think I could have possibly been wrong on Scarf. Their attempt to solve me looks genuine.-
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Yes to a second factional abilityIn post 5149, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:The question we need to ask, then, is whether a SECOND factional ability was used by the Lunars on PPF Night 1. And that, specifically, is what I'd like to hear opinions on.
T-bone claimed someone tried to burn him -- I'm inclined to believe him and that this was a solar factional action
Someone else tried to do "something negative - either kill or some other negative effect" to meuh -- i don't see why town would do this
Assuming Lunar can't act during Noon, this implies Solar had two actions. It's possible (1) Meuh was killed and (2) TBone was burned, which'd be 2 factional abilities
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I think Nancy is not understanding the mech argument people are making against her slot, and she admits to struggling with mech. I don't actually think she's intentionally ignoring itIn post 5144, T-Bone wrote:I'm done. If you're going to intentionally misread a role and then get upset at the rest of us for not agreeing to misread it in the same way you are then you have to be scum upset they were caught. That you cannot even fathom while people would read it the correct way is beyond my comprehension. It's incredibly frustrating to deal with. I would understand if you were arguing that "I'm town so they must have been lying" but trying to quote the role as evidence when the rest of us can clearly see what it says and interpret it differently (if not correctly) is just so frustrating.
Maybe you lack perspective and that's why you keep doing this I dunno, but I'm at the point where it just looks intentional.
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Btw i asked mega what negative effect meant, if it included things like roleblocked and redirected and she wouldn't elaborateIn post 5175, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Someone else tried to do "something negative - either kill or some other negative effect" to meuh -- i don't see why town would do this
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yeah I think this is a decent point worth talking about?In post 5181, Past Present Future wrote:Math is ignoring pretty much everything I’ve been saying like both me and Titus knew he was planning to vig us, so unless Math thinks that Solar doesn’t have a factional killing ability, why would scum!us not kill him? You can think we’re scum all you like but actually thinking we’re complete idiots here is beyond insulting.-
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Looking at Enchant's ISO, if he's scum, it's probably Lunar
- Bad reaction to MMR yDay - the post below in particular doesn't make sense bc MMR was in a 1v1 with both PPF (with the "no result" guilty) and mastina (with the "informed" part of their role), so that knot needed to be resolved
- also probably not Solar since he didn't hammer Rat (the claimed burn healer whatever) day 1, and with his meta, he can get away with hammering that... unless he is Solar scum with Rat, but I'm currently thinking Rat is townIn post 4066, Enchant wrote:I think we should keep both Mastina and MMR alive tbh.-
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No strong opinions on Ydrasse - vibes are mildly towny
One hangup I have about her is that she seems checked out of the game based on posting frequency and the attitude she's taken towards this game, but then she'll write a post indicating that she has good awareness of people's reads, suggesting she's been following along this whole time (4935)
Nothing to rule out as either Lunar or Solar either
DDS, was there more to your townread on Ydrasse apart from the Save the Dragons metaread?-
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btw - no, it couldn't have happened on the first night, because Yume didn't get a watch result on the first nightIn post 5200, MathBlade wrote:It’s an or. The first half of the OR doesn’t have to happen orcould happen on the first nightsince CSF said her weapon is stuck.
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No, it meant one or the other happened but I don't know whichIn post 5207, Past Present Future wrote:Here, it clearly states that CSF can determine kill or neg utility during the noon phase, which means Solar has a killing ability.
CSF can clarify but nothing in this remotely supports your theory Math.-
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That's true, but then Yume would have planned this ahead of time, since she claimed a Night action pretty early on I thinkIn post 5222, Meuh wrote:
I mean if you're solar you could also just be making your whole claim up though?In post 5221, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:If the theory is true that ppl with Night actions = Lunar attunement and ppl with Noon actions = Solar attunment, then I literally can't be Solar since I can only act Nights-
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How is it more Lunar aligned? I thought you could vig either Day 2 or Dusk 2In post 5224, MathBlade wrote:I think the theory is *generally* true but not *absolutely* true for town. Mine is more mechanically *lunar* but I am solar aligned.-
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Anyway I've finished furtive's day 1 and 2 posts.
Spoiler: Scummy post
(1) I think the reasoning behind the mastina vote is a bit flimsy ("fed up with her spamming")
(2) Ctrl + f for mastina in furtive's ISO makes it quite clear that he was townreading mastina, 2030 is just one example... did he forget his townread on mastina?
Then his progression on MMR was also weird; there's basically no lead up to 4199.
Spoiler:
'This content is not good enough, not even close, from a player who seems to be in conflict with 2 other players.' -- MMR's posting was very meh the entire day, so for that to suddenly make a difference enough to vote MMR is hard to understand.
One thing is that he's been consistently pushing quieter slots and tr'ing the active ones basically all game, which is where my reads are ending up right now, but it's also easier for scum to just push slots that are less active.
Some minor things lead me to think furtive is more likely to flip Solar than Lunar (the vote on MMR feels weird for a bus, and furtive was kinda pushing DDS on day 1), but tbh I can also see MMR telling his buddies to bus him after that disaster claim
tl;dr I could compromise on furtive-
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Why does mastina slot need to be resolved?In post 5273, T-Bone wrote:My preference is finally resolving Mastina/meuh tbh. But absent that Toog is my gut instinct.-
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What's up FB? Have you been reading along?
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