House of the Dragon - Game Over!

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Enchant

MAD KING

VOTE: Enchant

MAD KING

[Dwlee99]

I didn't realize what I was voting for when I voted for enchant oh no oh no oh no

UNVOTE:

HURT: Lukewarm

Yeah yeah,I read the post, and I can't find the seven days thing

Did someone ask this is the scum pt and you forgot?

I want to say that this is town, because what scum is going to fake this argument

I don't think this is legit

[Dwlee99]

I'm agreeing with Andante town

[Dwlee99]

If you want to talk though, whyd you town ping me?

you usually rvs vote to yeet me

you also rvs voted me here

but we're not voting to yeet, we're voting for kinging

does baltar not know what we are voting for?

so he probably doesn't have access to a scum pt where they probably talked about it

am I town too

[Dwlee99]

no

HURT: datisi

[Dwlee99]

Hi what have I missed

[Dwlee99]

Uh not datisi or lukewarm I got bad vibes when I was here before

[Dwlee99]

I could vote Andante I think she's town

[Dwlee99]

There's more than monarch and council? I'd prefer andante monarch > council just cause it seems more important to get town in that spot than council

[Dwlee99]

adante like 3 people posted between when you voted me and then unvoted

I only just saw it now

there is literally only 12 hours between the posts

your paranoia about a "lack of reaction" seems not genuine

bad take

[Dwlee99]

I think I read something by TSQ about dannflor and reading andante-indicative stuff as scum-indicative and it seems like you didn't listen to that? Did you address that anywhere?

[Dwlee99]

ok this is a pretty decent answer. I kind of want to mediate a bit because I like to think I know andante pretty well outside of mafia games and I think what you're picking up is just her general speech patterns which are just...kind of like this...even in just talking on discord?

[Dwlee99]

and you're still doing the same thing like you didn't listen

[Dwlee99]

Because Andante is hyperactive and expects everyone to react immediately

[Dwlee99]

Because Andante is hyperactive and expects everyone to react immediately

okay sure

why did you think I should know this

It's in the same vibe as the speech patterns

[Dwlee99]

hi dwlee why do you have bad vibes from me and lukewarm

You contradicted yourself on a townread on someone else by not townreading me, and I didn't agree with lukewarm calling junko town for making a silly argument

[Dwlee99]

You contradicted yourself on a townread on someone else by not townreading me

do you genuinely think that this actually makes me scum?

and unowen - i'm p sure baltar did say so in this game already, but you can ask them if you don't believe me

mildly yes

dwlee why do you feel focused on nitpicks

that's kinda nitpicky from you lol

[Dwlee99]

Bajillion new pages, unlucky

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: GuiltyLion

[Dwlee99]

Hi shea

[Dwlee99]

My partner and her roommates are watching house of the dragon rn and I saw a dragon in a building and I asked if the dragon was in a house and the TV was too loud so no one heard me

[Dwlee99]

If someone asked me something please direct me to it

[Dwlee99]

what I think is weirder is the run of Dwlee/Penguin/Junko votes on me. that's too many people voting me but not really engaging substantively with people like LLD/Lukewarm/Andante/Datisi who have pushed back against me being King or are campaigning elsewhere.

I haven't seen these push backs. I saw you had votes on you, looked at your iso, thought you were town for your thoughts on lukewarm, and then voted you

[Dwlee99]

- I didn't like Dwlee's pushes on either Datisi or Dann, and I especially didn't like the casual naked vote on me to be King. There are several players voicing some doubt or suspicion on me, why isn't Dwlee engaging with any of them?

Already addressed the second. Why don't you like what I said about datisi and dann?

[Dwlee99]

@Dwlee.

Why did you find it suspcious that I said that I would not expect Junko to make the slip arguement as scum

I didn't realize what I was voting for when I voted for enchant oh no oh no oh no

UNVOTE:

HURT: Lukewarm

Yeah yeah,I read the post, and I can't find the seven days thing

Did someone ask this is the scum pt and you forgot?

I want to say that this is town, because what scum is going to fake this argument

I don't think this is legit

Enough to bring it up 600 posts later

I didn't agree with lukewarm calling junko town for making a silly argument

But found no issue with GL making the same argument, either at the time, or when you looked back at GL's iso

if Junko knew Andante was town, I think it'd be less likely for them to assume the scum!PT argument would work and miss Andante quoting where the mod gave us that info. she'd know Andante was telling the truth so I don't think the scumslip idea would occur to her. I think that's what Andante is saying as well.

Datisi asked me what I thought was scummy about you and that was what I thought was scummy about you lol

[Dwlee99]

You cut context to make it seem like I was just randomly shading you there

[Dwlee99]

(but if you're wondering no I don't hold a ton of weight on that because I also noticed TSQ agreeing with you there and I doubt there are three scum all making the same weird argument for Junko town)

[Dwlee99]

Dear GuiltyLion, I wrote you but you still ain't callin'

[Dwlee99]

I like the consistency from enchant there

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:

[Dwlee99]

GL just ignoring me and then naked voting me, very cool

VOTE: datisi

[Dwlee99]

no

[Dwlee99]

dwlee is scum

they're usually not shit at reading me, i'm p sure they've claimed so multiple times, and the few times they did scumread me when i was town, the thoughts they had on me actually MADE SENSE and they were re-evaluating me as the game went on

none of this is genuine

you blatantly weren't trying to read for my alignment on like page 5 homie

[Dwlee99]

I didn't realize what I was voting for when I voted for enchant oh no oh no oh no

If you want to talk though, whyd you town ping me?

you usually rvs vote to yeet me

you also rvs voted me here

but we're not voting to yeet, we're voting for kinging

does baltar not know what we are voting for?

so he probably doesn't have access to a scum pt where they probably talked about it

am I town too

no

big think

[Dwlee99]

dwlee is scum

they're usually not shit at reading me, i'm p sure they've claimed so multiple times, and the few times they did scumread me when i was town, the thoughts they had on me actually MADE SENSE and they were re-evaluating me as the game went on

none of this is genuine

you blatantly weren't trying to read for my alignment on like page 5 homie

You’ve blatantly failed to engage with me multiple times even though I asked you directly - why do you think you can make this accusation here at all?

I don't think I've read a post of yours trying to engage with me before this one

not that I don't believe they exist btw

[Dwlee99]

dwlee, if you're town, it seems like you're stuck engaging with people on a pretty surface level

I don't really see your reads changing or evolving at all

it seems like you are sticking with the first feelings you had when you first opened the thread

does that feel inaccurate? do you think the wagon on you is largely scum driven?

My first reads aren't super ingrained, I just don't have anything to place a bigger emphasis on because I have not kept up at all with the thread

Yea I think it's scum-driven that I have a bajillion naked votes on me

[Dwlee99]

I’ve expressed disappointment with your play I think multiple times because you’re actually a decent pusher of Scum and here you’re like falling to the sidelines in a way I really wouldn’t expect you to do.

I'm not super impressed with myself either :shrug:

[Dwlee99]

I feel like I've caught on to some things with decent nuance (like with dann pushing andante for being andante despite being warned not to do so) and there's a total crap wagon on me right now. Feel like that's enough to have an idea on my alignment despite me not being very engaged with the thread

[Dwlee99]

Okay fine let’s move past that then. You seem to be saying that Datisi is Scum because they never gave you a chance and you’re probably an easy slot to push. Can you maybe read their ISO then or point to something specific I should be looking at? Like you’ve played with Datisi a bit too so if you’re Town I want to see your thought process.

The reason I'm saying Datisi is scum is he made a moon-logic read on TSQ being town because "does baltar not know what we are voting for?"

2 posts before Datisi said this I said "I didn't realize what I was voting for when I voted for enchant oh no oh no oh no"

Why did Datisi completely ignore that and then say it's not townread-worthy when it's literally right there? Either I'm lying that I didn't know what I was voting for and it was some long-con to trick people into thinking I didn't know what I was voting for, or I'm just town. Which should seem more likely to town!Datisi?

[Dwlee99]

you blatantly weren't trying to read for my alignment on like page 5 homie

okay and? i didn't give you townpoints for something that i gave townpoints to baltar. in what fucking world does that make me scum, in what fucking world does that outweigh literally EVERYTHING ELSE i've done this game?

and HOW does that ONE POST make you think that i am not sorting you???

Because it's inconsistent

There's 2 posts of difference between townreading VP for something and not townreading me for the same thing, which is indicative of an agenda to push me, which you've just barrelled on doing without engaging with the point I made

[Dwlee99]

okay but like do you expect people to be town reading you here?

do you expect datisi to be town reading you here?

I empathize with not being able to keep up but it seems like the way you are interacting with people is more based around lashing out than like, trying to change perception or work to make up for the fact that you haven't kept up with the thread

I'm not demanding townreads

You're missing the point re: 1500 posts ago and why I thought and think Datisi is scum for that

[Dwlee99]

Datisi’s 1793 does feel like a dramatic overreaction to bury you @Dwlee99 here. I don’t think you have enough posts for anyone to have such strong feelings about your alignment, but I did re-read your ISO and yeah you did insist on asking that question about Dannflor’s pursuit of Andante. I have a different perception of Andante, but I am perfectly open to the idea that I’m wrong. Have any of Andante’s interactions with say Drapion changed your mind?

Not familiar with those interactions. I felt like Andante was doing Andante things early and I haven't seen anything from them that makes me think they're scum right now

[Dwlee99]

The update is that datisi's push on me is shit

[Dwlee99]

I don't buy it was cheeky

[Dwlee99]

Also "attack"

Really

Me calling you scum on like page 5 is an attack

[Dwlee99]

The attack is flash-wagon of naked votes on me as soon as we get a king

And Rhae threatening to mind-control people to lim me because I'm ruining her fun or something

[Dwlee99]

viewtopic.php?t=88383

btw this is how town-dwlee suspecting town-me looks like. they actually had thoughts on other slots, and they kept re-evaluating me and eventually came to the right conclusion

pedit: buddy, you dropped in here one page ago saying how i'm scum for not sorting you on page 5, yes i do think it constitutes as an attack at this point

>game from 11 months ago
>way more engaged in a micro
>me just repeating "lol idk I think you're scum" over and over again

I'm not sure this is making the point you want it to be making

[Dwlee99]

I'll interact with stuff as it happens

I'm not good at the catchup game

[Dwlee99]

If TSQ was making stuff up about Andante's meta, then someone else would call it out. I don't get why Dann would need to be distrustful of that, and Dann hasn't said anything like that so I don't think that's why Dann did any of that.

It's fair enough that it's not speech pattern, it is slightly different, but idk I felt like Dann should have been more careful about making assumptions about Andante's play when it's something in a similar vein to the speech pattern stuff.

[Dwlee99]

I voted for who I thought should be king, that's the influence I had. I don't think it's fair to suspect me for not being super into the minutia of figuring out who I want on every position

[Dwlee99]

And I still don't know if you saw the posts where I explained why I voted for you because you didn't respond to them

[Dwlee99]

And I still don't know if you saw the posts where I explained why I voted for you because you didn't respond to them

I saw that and it's fine as an explanation to your thought process for voting me, but it's not really a satisfactory answer to why you didn't like... put more effort into explaining your vote on me, or put more effort into engaging with the discussions around me. I don't think you'll really have a good defense for that other than you haven't been engaged with the game, so it's a bit of a dead end for conversation beyond what we've each said

1732 is so reminiscent of KTANE (town) Andante

[Dwlee99]

Oops quote+

Yea there's not much more to be said @GL

[Dwlee99]

But flip side of all of that, is that prior to their sudden wagon, I was ALSO Dwlee's biggest scum read. Yet once he suddenly had a wagon, they went into *attack my voters* mode instead of *case the person that they had previously presented as their biggest scum read as the person who actually should be eliminated this day phase* mode.

This is a good post but I don't think you were my top scumread

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee you have a train coming in your direction why don't you care? I've seen you in this position before as town

Doesn't it irritate you somewhat

Also I had 30 more minutes than I thought so delayed departing

???

What do you mean I don't care?

[Dwlee99]

You have like 9 votes last I checked

That isn't what I asked

[Dwlee99]

You have like 9 votes last I checked

That isn't what I asked

If I had 9 votes I'd start thinking real careful about who's trying to mislim me

Datisi...? The person I'm voting?

Dwlee, in KTANE you had the fire of 1000 suns when we fought to the death over bombs, and here it is very meh. I want to be convinced you're town. Who should we lim today if not you?

The person I'm voting homie

[Dwlee99]

Baltar, Datisi, GuiltyLion, Rhaenyra, Dannflor, PenguinPower, Junkochan, Firebringer, Unowen

Scum:
Datisi
Dann

Frustrated but not necessarily scum:
Guiltylion

Town:
Baltar
Rhae/unwnd

Leantown:
Fire

Idk:
Penguin
Junko
Unowen

[Dwlee99]

Are you willing to explain Dannflor for me? I'll have you know I'm a datisi-not-liker but when I view your ISO it's more a reactionary thought

I feel like Dann is trying too hard to appear reasonable while voting me

[Dwlee99]

Where's TSQ fit? And andres?

Lean town and town respectively

And why am I town?

I forgor

[Dwlee99]

i haven't seen anything yet that makes me want to unvote dwlee. the readslist they did in 1849 is like, extremely dry and

i don't see most of the thought process behind it

.

Words for words sake

i'm trying to look at this objectively, but like... if town-dwlee were really convinced i was scum, i feel like they'd be trying to convince anyone to vote me.

How do you expect me to go about doing this beyond just explaining why I think you're scum

[Dwlee99]

Like?

The thing you are referencing is me saying "before this happened dwlee scum read me" and "when voted, dwlee attacked their voters instead of pushing me"

Like, yes. It does kind of look like Dwlee is just in damage control in response to this, because it sure did feel like I was (at least one of) their strongest scum reads. What with only having 2 scum reads as of 711 (you and me) and then voting for GL to be king because they thought GL looked town for scum reading me in 1444.

It is really hard to look at this post from you, and not think it started from a point of wanting to call me scum vs seeing something that makes you actually think I am scum. Whether that be a scum agenda, or because you are conf. biasing on me at this point I am less sure, because I actually started thinking of you as town in our PT.

I'm not calling you scum in that post, I'm correcting the facts. I already posted about how other people agreeing with you on Junko makes me think my read in that interaction was rand at best

[Dwlee99]

Will be around today, had busy weekend

[Dwlee99]

i dunno. trying harder to actually explain why i'm scum and why i need to be voted. explaining why i'm scum pushing you. it all feels very surface level.

and i'd expect there to be actual reasoning for why you read people the way you read them. the only one i can remember actually reading justification for is dann. and even that one if not great.

I did explain it. To the second point: get vibe checked, nerd.

I tried to parse Mastina's argument about VP but the very first post on it saying that he called me town was just not what VP said there at all. He called me scum in the post she quotes.

Shea is omegatown on page 78

You forgot? I can't say I love this. Like I said about KTANE, you were really on point that game and here it's like you can't call up anything for basic reasoning. I'm not trying to shit on you for not being motivated. I get that happens. But if you're town, I'd suspect you could at least remember your basic thoughts.

It was a vibe read and I forget what gave me the vibe

-snip-

It's post like these that make me think you're scum cause you just ignore my read softening on luke and other things to form this narrative I'm stagnant

I have no opinion on charloux, what is happening there?

[Dwlee99]

Counterwagons naturally. Now info. I'll read soon.

Every post I've seen from you is you saying you will do something

[Dwlee99]

It's funny and makes a point

[Dwlee99]

That Titus has no real content and it's scummy

Empty promises

[Dwlee99]

Yeah but what about your other reads

Its fine to think things are Scummy, but where are you considering this with Datisi/Dann?

I still think they're scummy too? Wdym?

[Dwlee99]

Yeah but what about your other reads

Its fine to think things are Scummy, but where are you considering this with Datisi/Dann?

I still think they're scummy too? Wdym?

I'm asking you what this is building towards

If you had to choose of the 3 who you've deemed 'scummy' who is the most scummy? I find your lack of specifics to be troublesome

Datisi, where my vote is.

[Dwlee99]

Can you please like

Put more to your statements

I don't need a paragraph, but I need to be able to see that your reads aren't just being made up on the spot

I think that Datisi is lying about making a joke early game because he didn't explain that it was supposed to be a joke until it was brought up again and not when I immediately scumread him for it.

Ex. 1703 which makes me feel like he just made up it being a joke after the fact because here would be another place to point it out before acting like I totally should have understood it was a joke in 1712

I also think Datisi is pushing me with an agenda because there are people with less content he could be pushing but is laser focused on me instead

Do you want to hear about anyone else?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Datisi
guess I'll start here again

I don't really buy drapion's wall that I skimmed and this is still scum

[Dwlee99]

Sorry I bounced? Had a second thanksgiving dinner tonight and won't be around until tomorrow because of that (could have spent more time Wednesday writing something instead of playing Pokemon but it was night). If you want me to play you're not getting it tonight

[Dwlee99]

Tryptophan ftw

[Dwlee99]

Hello

[Dwlee99]

Who is around for chat

[Dwlee99]

What are recent events?

Nothing much, just trying to make progress on the pokedex while checking thread

[Dwlee99]

I'm always reactive.

I can't give you advice on engaging with math

[Dwlee99]

Off the top of my head:

Andante, TSQ, Firebringer, Unwnd slot town

Datisi, Dann scum

[Dwlee99]

Static from like 5 days ago when I last played the game? Did Johnny ask for an explanation?

[Dwlee99]

Unwnd's approach to my wagon was townie and they were clearly solving for people's alignments with their reactions to people's posts (no I don't remember specifics)

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee is town because they are engaging in a way that is specifically town for them. Their thoughts aren't on the entire playerlist, but Dwlee has still given more thoughts than they give as scum, in greater detail than they give as scum. Their stances aren't on the entire playerlist but every read Dwlee has given has had nuance to it beyond the level Dwlee can fake as scum. Dwlee's level of activity is town because Dwlee has been actively engaging.

I'd really love to know if Dwlee agrees with this assessment of their scum game. If people thought scum!me couldn't produce an ISO like Dwlee's this game I'd be insulted

I've been skipping Mastina's posts so didn't see this. That's obviously bs

[Dwlee99]

dwlee:

I'll interact with stuff as it happens

I'm not good at the catchup game

also dwlee:

not catching up? like I said I wouldn't? huh?

[Dwlee99]

You asked me a question?

[Dwlee99]

I'm checking randomly while playing pokemon

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee is town because they are engaging in a way that is specifically town for them. Their thoughts aren't on the entire playerlist, but Dwlee has still given more thoughts than they give as scum, in greater detail than they give as scum. Their stances aren't on the entire playerlist but every read Dwlee has given has had nuance to it beyond the level Dwlee can fake as scum. Dwlee's level of activity is town because Dwlee has been actively engaging.

I'd really love to know if Dwlee agrees with this assessment of their scum game. If people thought scum!me couldn't produce an ISO like Dwlee's this game I'd be insulted

I've been skipping Mastina's posts so didn't see this. That's obviously bs

What does that say to you about mastina's alignment?

Nothing, she always says stuff that makes no sense to me

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee, if you think datisi is scum, why are you not going after him like you did with me in ktane? We had an epic battle there that you won as town. I feel like town you would care about not getting flipped here because it could have bad consequences for town.

I know you're very capable of WIM

I don't want it more here lol

[Dwlee99]

Like maybe this is bad but I didn't join this game with the expectation that I would spend hours each day reading and typing, doing anything to win. I'll respond to stuff and give thoughts on stuff but when the conversation goes:
- vague question about recent events
- what recent events
- wow dwlee is scum for not answering my question about recent events

I just... don't care

[Dwlee99]

And I cannot even call it scum because math has done this kind of stuff as town before

I saw mention in the PT of him making some other argument that was ???

No I'm not engaging with that

[Dwlee99]

Or Datisi just arguing cause I left thread that I'm scum

Okay? Do I really need to rebut that?

[Dwlee99]

they were there to answer gl's question in less than 10 minutes after not having posted for hours

i have a hunch this "low presence" is deliberate but what do i know idk who am i to say

Do I need to point out this post is just bad faith BS?

[Dwlee99]

And I cannot even call it scum because math has done this kind of stuff as town before

I saw mention in the PT of him making some other argument that was ???

No I'm not engaging with that

fam, I'm with you on the math argument... where he went on and on and on over Shea "lurking" and what I found interesting about that is after I was like "I'll legiit vote doc out if he continues" he stopped... and that's actually what really struck me as scum indicative.. and then I remembered he's junko, and I don't TR junko, soooo yeah

and now we have roden trying to egg professor on in the PT, so it's like I kinda don't blame you, and like I feel bad... cause it really feels like you have a similar attitude to this as I do.

ummm I wanna say you being town makes Datisi maf, he wanted me to keep the pressure on you, but I can't really think straight right now, cause I'm trying to think about a team, and math and roden have both annoyed me to no end

I don't really get why scum!Roden interjects to my wagon like this though. It's not like he's gonna get towncred when I flip town just cause he defended me

[Dwlee99]

like i don't even disagree unowen is scummy and needs attention soon, but like

we have been pulling teeth for this dwlee wagon, they are making every excuse under the sun to not give content, this is not the time to be splitting votes

this just in: i am an idiot.

for some reason, i was under the impression that andres needed 7 people for the kingsguard again. i was about to make a post telling him to finally make his mind up and pick the last two people for it so we can move on... but he said in the council pt he needed 5 and i just glossed over that

VOTE: dwlee

y-1 i believe

So townie to try to instantly end day the moment I get a tiny breathing room and call out how bad your arguments are

[Dwlee99]

i love how andante's gone from dwlee 100% scum no way town to whatever the fuck this is for no reason whatsoever. no i don't think she is necessarily scum for it but jesus fuck it is annoying and these consistent counterwagons are hell. yes i am copying math, no i do not care

another reminder that dwlee is STILL not making reads and doing nothing but excuses, with no real-time interactions to solve shit. you can claim "but pokemon" or whatever but how long should we tolerate them doing nothing.

This second paragraph is just a lie

Like I just gave my opinion on Roden and my reads on other slots as well

[Dwlee99]

Not my fault that Math walls are unsortable nonsense

[Dwlee99]

Or Datisi just arguing cause I left thread that I'm scum

Okay? Do I really need to rebut that?

I don't buy your dats scumread

I don't buy his read on me when he starts making up random shit on the fly to push me through

Datisi is so confident in his scum read that he needs to lie about the contents of my posts to push me through?

[Dwlee99]

Aren't there 5 scum

So if 5 people didn't vote me then 4 of them could be my scum buddies??