Cosmos Mafia (Postgame)

[professotic]

Could just be pressure or something but like instead of voting the dude trying to push the wolves where is the player you want to actually push. You gave wolf reads but haven’t been pushing them, start doing something.

Thanks, but instead of taking your condescending advice, I am also going to do what I've been doing.

You mean the advice that wasn’t there and led to an ML?

[professotic]

Mastina is probably scum but it's not worth it

this is like the wolfiest shit I've ever read

Yeah I agree with TicTac that this slot is town.

[professotic]

proffesotic town?

Town or recruited yes. I don’t see a way for him to be a self sacrificing d1 scum. That’d be weird.

page 9 save the dragons yikes

Hmm do you think STD/Ydrass slot can be a wolf?
Yeah I’ve probably been miss clearing them.

[professotic]

Mastina is probably scum but it's not worth it

this is like the wolfiest shit I've ever read

Yeah I agree with TicTac that this slot is town.

This = Junko = Scarf?

Correct!

[professotic]

I know TicTac still thinks Mastina Slot and PPF are wolves pretty sure.

[professotic]

It’s a Diamond scenario.

If I kill no scum and die (town loses)
If I kill only one team scum it’s likely scum overflow for the other side.

So mainly I really want a Solar dead and if Meuh is starting scum she is likely Solar
But if she’s converted she’s likely lunar.

It’s more I am town aligned serial killer.

Good Point.

[professotic]

So your a despasedo?
If your shoot town you also die?

[professotic]

Not a normal 1-Shot Vigi?

[professotic]

Wait was it Meuh that shot Unwnd then?

[professotic]

Probably won’t be able to catch up till closer to the weekend, apologies

I remember you from a previous game and I town read you correctly and very early on.

Which slot are you?

[professotic]

Who are you an alt of?

[professotic]

Probably a faction mechanic or something.

[professotic]

Probably won’t be able to catch up till closer to the weekend, apologies

I remember you from a previous game and I town read you correctly and very early on.

Which slot are you?

I found it, porkens is replacing toogeloo/maidcafe it is not changed in the OP

Hmm a likely wolf slot eh?
Well I’m pretty good at reading Porkens I like to think so we will see.

[professotic]

Probably won’t be able to catch up till closer to the weekend, apologies

I remember you from a previous game and I town read you correctly and very early on.

Which slot are you?

I found it, porkens is replacing toogeloo/maidcafe it is not changed in the OP

Thanks I didn’t know

Odd response considering this was a self share thought not meant to be directed at Porkens.

[professotic]

I feel like you went to the activity tab, clicked post count, and whoever was down there you put on that list, am I wrong?

It's largely a PoE list, everyone else looked town to me

it's a shitty poe list then, no offense but there were other people that you could be more sus about

You know what Junko, actually let’s try and understand Dingle’s point of view.

@Dingle what made you town read everyone else? Please tell me something from each of the players you found Townie, I don’t even care if it’s super minor just explain those town reads of yours.

[professotic]

wait, who here is theorizing that scum can't kill? Shouldn't you all be, like, suss of PPF's claim then? Anti-town to get limmed, pro-town to get NK'd?

I am suss of PPF. I asked her why she didn’t asked to be vigged and got random AF videos. None of which made sense soooo…

But pushing PPF is toxic so ….

Don’t say Toxic.
We don’t do that here!

[professotic]

Alright I haven't read fully, I still can't find the attention span for that apparently, but I did see professotic's claim, and that's a spicy one.

@professotic
To be 100% clear, you "killed" yourself with your ability, correct? Or was it just a passive thing that triggers when you die and you were still NK'd?

Kinda like a Commuter.
We leave the game and then come back later and during the night we use it all actions on us fail.

[professotic]

Again I think Dingle is Lunar

[professotic]

Actually maybe PPF doesn't get thrown UTB, considering activity + the fact this is a multiball (bussing is much less powerful I'd say)

Still think they're town

Yeah, arguably it’s much better to just save your teammates then bury them.
Won’t say burying them is out of the question, definitely possible but less optimal.

[professotic]

most likely Scum flips: Firebringer and PPF

Fire, I think you are better than this if you are town, there is no way you don't think in pursuing MMR/PPF for that interaction yet you wanted to look the other way

PPF I know I'm going to be scumread by you, I know you already scumread my slot, I know you are going to make a tantrum and you know what? I don't give a fk, you either give me a better claim than you snowflake role that conviniently shouldn't be limmed or you are dead

U think I solve games by claims now?
Game play first claims second

Wait, explain to me where “claims” were mentioned.

[professotic]

Ppf why was it scummy of scarf to push for your lim? He pushed you on both dawn and dusk... only 1 given scum team wants to lim you on any given phase; his consistent tunnel on you rings more town than scum

i'll vote anyone in the null/scums 5916

UNVOTE:

how is dingle dangle or ydrasse scum here.

Explain to me how they are not?
I don’t see anything clearing?
And they haven’t been balls Townie either.

I’ve stated my concerns on Dingle, thus why I am voting.
As for Ydrasse the only thing I see going for them was STD’s Early Day 1 but at this point in the game it ain’t much.

[professotic]

Then if I die D1 PPF isn’t a beloved princess and meuh can’t check one burn one or some such.

Like I think we need to flip PPF here. If we just give lunar an extra night fine then they’re behind due to losing one.

I think the least risky time if PPF is town is now.

VOTE: PPF

Actually I can’t argue with that.

VOTE: PPF

[professotic]

Lmao, I take a look at some next posts and you all voting Dingle.

In all honestly I’m good with either.

PPF getting resolved today isn’t a bad idea.
I wolf read Dingle the most.

[professotic]

Replacing Porkens

town

How and Why?

[professotic]

Last Post Porkens made was game was too complicated for them.
That is Null.

[professotic]

one of meuh/ppf
Enchant likely.

For possible people converted i would think T-Bone would be high up there as people I would convert if cult.

Not gonna say Enchant can’t be a wolf but I don’t see it.

Lazy Read IMO.
Why do you wolf read Enchant exactly?

[professotic]

ur saying im scum with MMR then? Okay, i am guilty of bussing my ally then.
Very scummy. Me big bad scum.
Let me help u buss another

Bussing isn’t a Bury.

Anyone can vote anyone.

Voting a wolf doesn’t make you Townie.

[professotic]

I think Junko is hard town with basically correct reads other than my slot and Ydrasse. Sheeping her is probably going to lead to good things most of the time.

I mean I’ll agree Junko has been very Townie since their replace in.
However, why are you throwing Ydrasse into the mix?

[professotic]

A large part of me wants to punt and take a flip on Toog or Ydrasse though. Decisions

I do agree these slots can easily be a wolf.

But I do agree with Math and think PPF and Dingle are the best options for
Today.

[professotic]

Yeah I suppose that’s fine.

VOTE: DDS

[professotic]

I have this strange sentation, that shit is gonna go down next night

there's no resistance to DDS

If DDS is scum then we also have to flip Math. Which is fine!

But I don't see a world where they are town/scum. They are either both town or opposing scum.

Why is that?
What stops a wolf from naming 1 town and 1 teammate?

[professotic]

I have this strange sentation, that shit is gonna go down next night

there's no resistance to DDS

If DDS is scum then we also have to flip Math. Which is fine!

But I don't see a world where they are town/scum. They are either both town or opposing scum.

Why is that?
What stops a wolf from naming 1 town and 1 teammate?

Who said anything about them being named?

VOTE: Professor

Do YOU not understand?
You realize MMR said “You and Dingle are Traitors”
This is my take on that and how I disagree with T-Bones take.

[professotic]

They chose 2 names here (you and Dingle)
Did they not?

[professotic]

And eh.
I feel like DDS chaging votes could be an attempt to create a stalemate.
-Rubella

You express a negative view of our slot any time we do something against yours

I'm pretty sure that you said that you were against stalling the day.
However, your votes don't seem to align with your view.
This gives off the impression that you're could be trying to create a stalemate.
-Rubella

By the way, Math, what makes you think that we're unaligned with DDS?
-Rubella

Scarf and T-Bone are Town.
I think that Math and DDS could be Traitors.
Final reads.
-Rubella

Weird trajectory on DDS.

DDS was confirmed not Lunar but had to be protected. I don't hold this against DDS.

~Titus

They were confirmed not Solar.

Jesus people, start reading please!

[professotic]

one of meuh/ppf
Enchant likely.

For possible people converted i would think T-Bone would be high up there as people I would convert if cult.

Not gonna say Enchant can’t be a wolf but I don’t see it.

Lazy Read IMO.
Why do you wolf read Enchant exactly?

He's not even playing the game

This was directed to Firebringer not you.
Also, inactivity isn’t AI.
The only game I’ve seen Enchant be a wolf in they were like shielding/town reading a wolfy town member and had more of an aggressive play.

[professotic]

They chose 2 names here (you and Dingle)
Did they not?

Too much information???

If the blessing was some sort of recruit-become-a-traitor-thing, why would it be announced in-thread

I didn't say anything about either of you being recruited or being a traitor. What?

I honestly can’t tell if you’re high.
Forgot.
Oblivious.
Conditions Issues.
A Wolf.

Whatever the case is, it’s one of those and I just want to ask you.
Did you or did you not notice MMR state Math and Dingle, 2 names as traitors in their final post?

[professotic]

Confirmed town :p

VOTE: T-Bone

[professotic]

dont like the DDs wagon.

Why?

[professotic]

@Radical Rat

Is it possible T-Bone can be Lunar aligned with Dingle?

[professotic]

Yeah but ok like.
They are only confirmed not in one faction.
They aren’t IC’s.
One can be town and one can be Lunar/Solar. They aren’t IC’s.

[professotic]

As the sun begins to set, a ray of sunlight catches onto Mathblade and surrounds him. Likewise, as the moon rises the moonlight surrounds Dingle Dangle Scarecrow. They are surrounded by radiant and ethereal light.

Mathblade is blessed by the solar god Helius. He cannot be aligned with the Lunar Cult. If he was eliminated during this phase, the Solar Cult would have been vanilaised. The Solar Cult was the only group with access to this information.

Dingle Dangle Scarecrow is blessed by the lunar goddess Luna. They cannot be aligned with the Solar Cult. If they were eliminated during this phase, the Lunar Cult would have been vanilaised. The Lunar Cult was the only group with access to this information.

---

Thus begins Night 1! Send me anything you might do!

The deadline for the night is 1 day.

This timer will likewise freeze at 24 hours remaining until I receive a replacement for Maid Cafe.

Remember People.
Math can still be Solar.
Dingle can still be Lunar.


Example:
Math is Town and Dingle is Lunar.

Solar would know Math is town and make sure no one executes them.
Lunar has one of their partners (Dingle) they need to make sure lives today or the entire team gets fucked.


So I suppose technically see if MMR was defending Dingle day 1 and see if anyone else was.

[professotic]

VC 1.0.13



Mastina (7) Frozen Angel, Mathblade, professotic, MMR, T-Bone, Radical Rat, Maid Cafe, [E-2]

scarfmanship (4) Past Present Future, Bunnyonce, furtiveglance, Ydrasse

Enchant (1) Dingle Dangle Scarecrow
professotic (1) Mastina,
Frozen Angel (1) Radja
Mathblade (1) Yume
Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (1) Scarfmanship

Not Voting (1) Enchant


With 17 Alive it takes 9 to Eliminate
Deadline: (expired on 2022-11-01 13:00:17)

I think it’s Ydrass.
Look where the placement is and look where Scarf is voting.

[professotic]

Yeah ima say the Lunar are Ydrass/Dingle.

I have absolutely no idea on the Solar.

[professotic]

Yeah ima say the Lunar are Ydrass/Dingle.

I have absolutely no idea on the Solar.

You think there's only 2 lunar left here?

Presuming Conversion doesn’t happen, yes I think these are the two originals.
If Conversion does happen well then they probably have a convert with them.

[professotic]

I know MMR named Math/DDS as final scum reads.

But at no point did anyone suggest that scum choose Math and DDS for their blessing at the end of our first phase. Where did Prof get this from? Why does he think this, and why does he say it as if it is common knowledge? That last part is key.

Huh?
TF are you smoking?

[professotic]

Can’t be a slip when wolves clearly can’t choose cause it seemed like it was something that happens Pre-game.
Fuck it wouldn’t even make sense, why would factions choose each others can’t kill. Wouldn’t both teams just choose their fucking selves and there be no town of them?

[professotic]

Oof I suggest Math is scum if DDS is scum and he turns fast.

Yeah if converts to exist, Dingle definitely converted this man right here to Lunar Cult.

Dingle, Ydrass and T-Bone would be my guess tbh, that’s where I’m thinking the game is at.

[professotic]

I'm trying to understand Math's play and all I can see is a weird panicked reaction to being suggested he might be scum.

Like he quoted 5744 but the post of mine he is referring to is me making a sarcastic post where I said meuh's most believable post is when meuh said she is just a poor townie with a bunch of smiley faces. I even corrected the record!

Mine was actually a reaction to the previous post where Meuh said they were town but Meuh ninja'd me.

Yet despite all this I bet you think Dingle is still town, am I wrong?

[professotic]

What do you think of him ignoring you?

Also, I’m thinking you might be Solar Fire, do you want to vote out Lunar? Either Dingle or T-Bone I’m fine with tbh. Even go for a Ydrass too but I don’t think it gives us as much info as the other two.

Sure this is based off my read assessment here but I’m really thinking this is the team.

[professotic]

dont like the DDs wagon.

Why?

feels too easy as junko said. Also don't feel scum vibes there and no one has been making a case that even seems remotely appealing

Well the man can only be Lunar and he isn’t gonna have as much teammates.

[professotic]

im just looking for scum. Finding either works for me. Trying to hunt for specific team is not gonna be useful imo.
I find Tbone ignoring me annoying but not scummy....if scum maybe just doesn't find talking to me useful or im influential or w/e
only way i see tbone scum is if he was convert and i do think based on this game so far he would be high up there as a convert target.

But not gonna vote tbone out of paranoia just cause i think that.

I love when I read a bunch of posts that make me feel hopeless and then I read someone making a lot of sense
Thank you firebrire

The fact your saying you specially like THIS post that talks about T-Bone, when my solve is you converted T-Bone if conversions exist is just making me think it’s correct more and more.

[professotic]

What other compelling potential reason do we have for there being zero NKs so far in this Cult-themed game

I mean the factional mechanic is hidden.
Solar can be Arsonist and Lunar could be delayed killers or something.

Again, can’t confirm something.
Why do you think we 100% have converts?

Im voting back to you VOTE: Dingle

If this flips Lunar I might actually vote Ydrass first before T-Bone cause we aren’t 100% about the Convert thing.

[professotic]

Can’t be a slip when wolves clearly can’t choose cause it seemed like it was something that happens Pre-game.
Fuck it wouldn’t even make sense, why would factions choose each others can’t kill. Wouldn’t both teams just choose their fucking selves and there be no town of them?

But you suggested this very thing!

Don't lie and say you didn't. If it was your hydra partner would made the post and you didn't realize that's fine, but that's also not my problem if you're not on the same page.

Dude I don’t even think TicTac has been posting.
Also stop spreading agenda and show your work.
Start Quoting a Post can I NEVER said that your blatantly lying to me, keep it up and I’ll consider it a wolf claim towards me.

[professotic]

Guys. Professor suggested that scum made a choice about DDS/Math getting that thing at the end of our first phase.

And then just lied about it saying they didn't and that doesn't make sense.

It's a bold faced lie.

I NEVER SAID CHOICE I SAID NAME.


Stop being a douchebag alright?

[professotic]

I have this strange sentation, that shit is gonna go down next night

there's no resistance to DDS

If DDS is scum then we also have to flip Math. Which is fine!

But I don't see a world where they are town/scum. They are either both town or opposing scum.

Why is that?
What stops a wolf from naming 1 town and 1 teammate?

Here it is right here. What stops them from naming 1 town and 1 teammate in response to my assertion that DDS/Math are the same alignment because I think that's how the setup would be balanced. Why did Professor have scum making this choice on his mind when I didn't suggest that?

Again you’re taking things out of context.
Your answer I already explained, one more time and I’ll throw against you and never side with you even if your town with me cause your really starting to annoy me.

First of all my first argument was actually talking about the Traitor Talk, of which I read YOUR post I’m pretty sure it was of YOU talking about MMR’s last post of Math and Dingle are Traitors.

Plus:

Yeah but ok like.
They are only confirmed not in one faction.
They aren’t IC’s.
One can be town and one can be Lunar/Solar. They aren’t IC’s.

As the sun begins to set, a ray of sunlight catches onto Mathblade and surrounds him. Likewise, as the moon rises the moonlight surrounds Dingle Dangle Scarecrow. They are surrounded by radiant and ethereal light.

Mathblade is blessed by the solar god Helius. He cannot be aligned with the Lunar Cult. If he was eliminated during this phase, the Solar Cult would have been vanilaised. The Solar Cult was the only group with access to this information.

Dingle Dangle Scarecrow is blessed by the lunar goddess Luna. They cannot be aligned with the Solar Cult. If they were eliminated during this phase, the Lunar Cult would have been vanilaised. The Lunar Cult was the only group with access to this information.

---

Thus begins Night 1! Send me anything you might do!

The deadline for the night is 1 day.

This timer will likewise freeze at 24 hours remaining until I receive a replacement for Maid Cafe.

Remember People.
Math can still be Solar.
Dingle can still be Lunar.


Example:
Math is Town and Dingle is Lunar.

Solar would know Math is town and make sure no one executes them.
Lunar has one of their partners (Dingle) they need to make sure lives today or the entire team gets fucked.


So I suppose technically see if MMR was defending Dingle day 1 and see if anyone else was.

Again, why are you comparing them as Never TvW, you’ve be INDIRECTLY defending Dingle this entire day for literally no reason, I swear they have convert and must have converted you.

Can’t be a slip when wolves clearly can’t choose cause it seemed like it was something that happens Pre-game.
Fuck it wouldn’t even make sense, why would factions choose each others can’t kill. Wouldn’t both teams just choose their fucking selves and there be no town of them?

Also he can go ahead and call it a slip even though it clearly fucking ain’t, good luck trying to justify HOW it would be a choice decision.
I also never said “Choice” not once in what he quoted I only said “Named”
Again, the dude is taking things out of context.

[professotic]

To be 100% clear, I am intentionally ignoring Professor's posts directed at me, because I have no interest in correcting multiple flagrant instances of disinformation and otherwise engaging with someone who doesn't want a good-faith or even sensible discussion

Lmao. Ok buddy.

[professotic]

Can’t be a slip when wolves clearly can’t choose cause it seemed like it was something that happens Pre-game.
Fuck it wouldn’t even make sense, why would factions choose each others can’t kill. Wouldn’t both teams just choose their fucking selves and there be no town of them?

But you suggested this very thing!

Don't lie and say you didn't. If it was your hydra partner would made the post and you didn't realize that's fine, but that's also not my problem if you're not on the same page.

Dude I don’t even think TicTac has been posting.
Also stop spreading agenda and show your work.
Start Quoting a Post can I NEVER said that your blatantly lying to me, keep it up and I’ll consider it a wolf claim towards me.

I have literally shown my work. Now you're saying "but I didn't mean it like that". That's better than pretending you didn't make the post at all but only marginally.

You’re again, having miss conception.
There is no “I didn’t mean it like that” it’s like just how I said it and your bending what I said to fit your agenda.
Guess what buddy, if your expecting me to flip Solar you’re out of luck you’re just voting another town.
I can always make it so Lunar Loses and not bother with Solar if you really wanna keep being a douchebag, I don’t mind.
Your own fault your wolf faction you were converted to lost.

[professotic]

And I was giving you a benefit of the doubt chance by bringing up your hydra partner, I thought for a moment it was possible you didn't realize what you had said because your partner had said it.

“Benefit of the doubt”
Buddy I’m not gonna lie.

[professotic]

No but actually I feel it’s more fun for me to just remove the Lunar Cult here cause they are making themselves way too obvious.
If they aren’t even gonna bother looking for the Solar Cult and push town like me, like T-Bone is doing then I’m just gonna make sure they lose.


Like I think we have conversion cause T-Bone today is indirectly defending Dingle way too hard then they should be.

[professotic]

Don’t worry mister T, you can ignore me too just like your friend Dingle over there.

[professotic]

Y’know I’d like it if my hydra partner posts during this day phase.

[professotic]

The Professor getting a little tired of dragging the bunny.

Bunny I want your input!

[professotic]

I mean he posted at the beginning of the day if I recall correctly actually but I don’t think has posted since.
He did some talk about posts but didn’t really do much of it.

[professotic]

The later part is in reference to our hydra PT.

[professotic]

We left a fun crumb for T-Bone Dawn 1, trying to find it but I'm wondering if he noticed it

I don't usually notice crumbs sorry.

Then why are you strongly Town reading them?

[professotic]

Tip of advice Lunar.
Instead of making yourself more obvious and trying to shield each other.
Go try to actually find Lunar.
I’m Town and Furtive was also Town.
To win this game you optimally need to get rid of Solar.

If you just hate town and want us to lose so be it.
But idk man I kinda think it’s gamethrowing and shouldn’t you have some clue who Solar is right now?

[professotic]

I said that wrong. “Go actually try to find Solar.” Is what I meant to say there.

[professotic]

Enchant is a dude!??
I mean I think they are town as well but I thought they went by she.

[professotic]

So T-Bone do you still think I’m wolf that “slipped” lol
Do you still think I “lied” despite me explaining literally everything I have said?

Man like can you tell me who you think the Solar Cult are? Cause I’m Town Mate.

[professotic]

Oh that’s right, Elements is female

[professotic]

Man I had it vice versa.

[professotic]

Prof can you please explain your astral ghost ability again?

We used our ability during the first night.
we are immune to visitors during that night we used it.
We came back during the next night flavour. (Night 3.)

[professotic]

Uhh i thought tictac was kind of townie for him. Would like to see him post more though

Prof what do you think about the DDS claim?

I think it’s just a claim.
I think it can easily be a wolf fake claim.

[professotic]

I’m also not gonna even bother with T-Bone, he’s just wrong and probably scum.
(As I said I think he is a Lunar Convert with Dingle and Ydrass.)

[professotic]

Potential recruitment makes it incredibly difficult to have a satisfying answer to that question

I think JunkoChan, you, MathBlade, Ydrasse and T-Bone all at least started as town
I'd add PPF to that list, but the MMR guilty situation has given me doubts

My leftover pool is {RR, Meuh, professotic, Enchant, Firebringer, Porkens}
I don't think RR or Meuh are sensible places to look for scum in the current gamestate
And I'm left with four people who would almost always wind up in a PoE pool of mine and no confidence in any particular scumread

How confident are you that you aren’t miss clearing Ydrass?

[professotic]

VOTE: Enchant
I'm fine with this for today

I’m not.

[professotic]

I find them the same as Furtive.

[professotic]

Enchant push bad

+1


We vote out Dingle but I wouldn’t be opposed to Ydrass.

[professotic]

I’m actually thinking Mastina Slot might be Solar.
Still want Lunar to suffer though.

[professotic]

After their dumb push/shade on us and then voting out Furtive another town.
They haven’t bothered to give a shit about Solar so they can die out of spite.

[professotic]

Until I see them pushing a Solar.
My vote remains on a Lunar.

As I said I think T-Bone, Dingle and Ydrass are Lunar.

[professotic]

Mastina Slot can be Solar
Firebringer Slot can be Solar
Porkens Slot can be Solar

Yet Lunar doesn’t seem interested in going fourth against it.

[professotic]

And I’m sorry T-Bone but again your job is to execute Solar and I’m sorry to tell you but I’m Town.
You need to push Solar if you want any chance at winning.

Because right now I’m just gonna spite vote Lunar cause of the way they are acting.

[professotic]

I probably shouldn’t say it like a fact but I strongly believe that to be the Lunar Team.

[professotic]

And I’m sorry T-Bone but again your job is to execute Solar and I’m sorry to tell you but I’m Town.
You need to push Solar if you want any chance at winning.

Because right now I’m just gonna spite vote Lunar cause of the way they are acting.

Except if this were true and you were town I am the better vote because I claimed VT. But you're not so this isn't a concern for you.

XD
Yeah no buddy.
The better vote is Dingle rather then a Convert.

[professotic]

I also believe Enchant town slipped at the time when we both revealed we were clueless about the attunement of Mastina's claim because our PMs don't mention anything about it. So like to me, that shows me Enchant was thinking the same way I was, and since I'm town, I'm inclined to trust people who have similar thoughts to me. That second bit is specific to me, but that's the other reason I read Enchant as town.

I also read Enchant as Town.
And I hope when Dingle flips Lunar they realize your Dingle’s Convert.

[professotic]

I really don’t think I’m wrong on this read.

[professotic]

I suggest you start voting Solar my friend and not me who is town.


I’ll say this much, sometimes I can be an absolute douchebag if you be one to me or I feel irritated to the point I want to be.


If I get ML’ed here I’ll tell everyone what I want.
You and Dingle to go over and Lunar loses.

IDC, Ima make you realize your play is bad and shame you for it and cause your evil faction to lose.


If you don’t want that, start actually hunting for the other team.

[professotic]

Yes this means Solar will probably win, I’d be happy with that as long as it isn’t you with your terrible play.
Cause clearly whoever the Solar’s are they are trying to find Lunar.

You and your other lunar members aren’t even bothering to do so.

[professotic]

Like you as Lunar.

If your Lunar and don’t try to find Solar.
And neither do your other teammates.

You guys can lose.

[professotic]

VOTE: Porkens

I think I'd be happier with this than an Enchant wagon

You had multiple chances to look for Solar and you wait till now to try and guess that slot to be Solar.
(By PoE they probably are a Solar)

However, I think someone should sheep Mastina Slot and vote your other partner Ydrass.

Assuming I’m right on Lunar here like I believe I am.

[professotic]

Yes and again, quick execute T-Bone after I die, I don’t really care what the man has to say.

[professotic]

Lunar can Lose since they only want to focus on town.

Ain’t till today Dingle decides they actually want to Solar Hunt.

[professotic]

Maybe I’m being a bit too bias and I bit too mean but like.

Blah.

[professotic]

Yes and again, quick execute T-Bone after I die, I don’t really care what the man has to say.

I now realize that I don’t even know if Lunar can factional kill.
I was thinking like it was a normal game with factional kill lol.

[professotic]

Actually I want to force T-Bone and Dingle to react here.

VOTE: Ydrass

[professotic]

Also I took a look at T-Bones little argument of why he “doesn’t think I’m posting like a town.”
Yeah I basically already explained that shit.
If your only going to focus on town and not gonna bother hunting for the other wolf team.
You Deserve to Lose.

[professotic]

That’s why I have no problem with only taking down the Lunar team here (Dingle, Ydrass, T-Bone) and allowing Solar to get the edge and potentially the win.

[professotic]

I’m a very righteous and stubborn person.
If you wish to tick me off and your a wolf, I’ll make sure you lose at all costs.

[professotic]

I just looked at the VC, didn't verify whether people voted after, my bad.

I don't really feel strongly about Ydrasse. I thought StD was Town while he was here, so Ydrasse inherited that read, but she has pretty much just been actively avoiding playing the game.

I'd be willing to compromise there I suppose

Yeah that’s exactly how I was.

I also believed that slot to be town due to StD.
Then going into this day phase I decided that I needed to re-evaluate some slots and especially that one.
I realized I could just be miss clearing StD cause of their Townie start.
Then I took a look at VC and everything and it just fit well on a starting team with MMR and Dingle.

[professotic]

I make up like 90% of the posts from this hydra I swear.
TicTac still missing and only posted at the start of this day phase.

[professotic]

I think Ydrasse is town but a fair compromise. I just would rather not compromise because I think we can get a scum elim if discussions continue.

Well you know my thoughts on Ydrass and we shall hear others thoughts as well.

[professotic]

Actually I want to force T-Bone and Dingle to react here.

VOTE: Ydrass

Pedit: Yeah, same thought as CSF here, this is why I think CSF is town, a lot of mindmeld

Still got a lot of partner equity here. You are just such a reasonable person that it overrides my desire to read your slot as scum argh

Heehee I'll take that as a compliment, ty
Partner equity in me/CSF? That's fair honestly, we've been lined up on a lot of things. Tbh I wonder why partnered CSF and I would claim the negative action thing in a game highly speculated to have conversion, though. A few (irl) days ago I realized that CSF mentioning the negative action thing could've actually been a nudge by scum!CSF to me being converted that just never materialized to anything meaningful, which is my main concern regarding them at this point (this and potential pocketing, but why pocket me of all people?)

What do you mean by this? A nudge that you were converted? You think you wouldn't know, why?

Why the hell did you quote my post but respond to someone else’s?

[professotic]

If that’s your reaction (a naked quote) then lol.

[professotic]

Sure.
Keep telling yourself that.

[professotic]

Ima do what you did.
“That’s a Slip!”


Only difference is I’m town and your probably the Lunar Convert.

[professotic]

I can't tell if you're being serious, do you actually think T-Bone quoting the wrong post is scummy or are you just being pissy about him scumreading you?

I think it’s a little wolfy in the sense he still acknowledges it but purposely doesn’t give a reaction to it.
Him quoting it means he seen it but he is choosing not to respond to it and when I asked him about the empty quoted he just passed it as a “miss click” and decides to not leave a comment on my post still.

[professotic]

I don't know what makes them pretty unlikely to be scum. Why do you think that?

You have time to tunnel me but have no time to do anything else?
I’m going to use your own words against you if I’m not mistaken you said that I’m playing badly if town (and I’m playing very good I’d think) well if your town I’d say your playing badly too.

Heck I’ll even expand the gap.
As Lunar your still playing like shit leaving your vote on a town member instead of voting a Solar Member.

[professotic]

the more I think about the role the more I think "this can't be scum" and they can't be converted

okay but whats ur gameplay reason town

I mean other than the fact my role ability itself is confirmed, I’m pretty sure I’ve been pretty Townie coming into today trying to get a solve, critiquing you all for voting off my town read furtive, talking about how voting out a wolf is even optimal for the other wolf team and much more mechanical stuff.
I have been pushing who I believe to be Lunar Members cause I think they are purposely making themselves obvious towards me.

also yeah and I’m going to just stick with “me” and “my” cause I don’t see TicTac here to correct it to “we”.

[professotic]

Yes I’m responding to question directed at Junko.
Punch Me.

Junko didn’t answer it and I thought I’d talk on my behalf.

[professotic]

I don't think professotic's role is a very likely scum role

Potential recruitment makes it incredibly difficult to have a satisfying answer to that question

I think JunkoChan, you, MathBlade, Ydrasse and T-Bone all at least started as town
I'd add PPF to that list, but the MMR guilty situation has given me doubts

My leftover pool is {RR, Meuh, professotic, Enchant, Firebringer, Porkens}
I don't think RR or Meuh are sensible places to look for scum in the current gamestate
And I'm left with four people who would almost always wind up in a PoE pool of mine and no confidence in any particular scumread

Isn’t this contradicting?

[professotic]

That's fine, but Prof is scum so I'm gonna push back especially when you cite something that isn't alignment indicative as a reason.

Lmao.
You need to stop man I’m Town.
The only member of your team actually bothering to try and kill Solar is Dingle.

I know your a convert and all but you should still try and play optimally.

[professotic]

Notice how T-Bone ignores the Ydrass vote thing but is absolutely fine with Ydrass barging in and feeding off of them?

And your gonna tell me this ain’t W/W theatre?

[professotic]

T-Bone, T-Bone.

I think Roden explained my Wolf Game best when I was in a wolf game on this site.
If he was here he could tell you I am town with absolutely confidence.

[professotic]

T-Bone look for the Cult 9er Game I was wolf in.

There you can notice my meta and that I am definitely not a wolf here.


Unless your plan here is to push town which as I said I’ll just make sure your team loses.

[professotic]

i actually pocketing tbone

No, your both lunar members.

[professotic]

Because Proffesor always tunnels(?)

^
This.

I have a one track mind and stick to it unless something says otherwise to me.

[professotic]

Oh Nancy, do you remember how Prof crumbles on day 1 when they were wagoned? I don't remember them doing that at any point during Lost, do you?

I feel like if you're a person who relies on meta, that's a pretty obvious difference, no?

I don’t think they were ever actually wagoned on LOST until the day after they faked the guilty on DNA.

I'm also drawing the parallel to now. They aren't being wagoned atm but still reacting badly to pressure in a way I don't think they did in our last game together.

Okay, tell me how you think they’re reacting differently here because I’m not seeing it? And me and Titus not seeing eye to eye on reads shouldn’t really surprise anyone.

Prof never crumbled to pressure in Lost. Yeah prof is very self assured, abrasive and arrogant in both games, that's surface level. Prof never backed down in Lost when he received pushback. He didn't back down so much that he faked a guilty and pretended like it was a brilliant play. Whenever Prof gets pressured in this game, however he shuts down or throws a fit. He got like 3 votes on Day 1 in this game and completely shut down to the point where we had to beg him to come back to the game. He gets a little push back from me this day phase and absolutely loses it, taking about how he wants to punish town and punish Lunar for questioning him. He is so fixated on punishment rather than town getting a correct flip and winning. He also never did this in Lost. His behaviors when he gets pressured are not the same.

The situations not the same.
This is a Multiball.
If a wolf wants to push me or another town instead of the opposing wolf team, I say fuck them.

[professotic]

We're on the same page. I have the Toog slot (I think Porken now), Ydrasse, PPF in my PoE. I know you quoted a few posts of Toog and said "this is town" but can you explain why?

For someone who has Ydrass in their PoE I would never have expected that person to accidentally quote a post of me voting for them and then saying you miss clicked and not adding anything else on that subject.

[professotic]

depending if there was role discourse between those posts

You know I just realized Ydrass responded to the Dingle Mention.

depending if there was role discourse between those posts

I don't think professotic's role is a very likely scum role

Potential recruitment makes it incredibly difficult to have a satisfying answer to that question

I think JunkoChan, you, MathBlade, Ydrasse and T-Bone all at least started as town
I'd add PPF to that list, but the MMR guilty situation has given me doubts

My leftover pool is {RR, Meuh, professotic, Enchant, Firebringer, Porkens}
I don't think RR or Meuh are sensible places to look for scum in the current gamestate
And I'm left with four people who would almost always wind up in a PoE pool of mine and no confidence in any particular scumread

Isn’t this contradicting?

[professotic]

We're on the same page. I have the Toog slot (I think Porken now), Ydrasse, PPF in my PoE. I know you quoted a few posts of Toog and said "this is town" but can you explain why?

For someone who has Ydrass in their PoE I would never have expected that person to accidentally quote a post of me voting for them and then saying you miss clicked and not adding anything else on that subject.

It's a common phone bug, stop trying to turn it into an actual point.

We're on the same page. I have the Toog slot (I think Porken now), Ydrasse, PPF in my PoE. I know you quoted a few posts of Toog and said "this is town" but can you explain why?

And people seriously wonder why I’m not efforting more.

...because you're in people's POEs?

The bug ain’t the problem.
It’s the fact it was clearly acknowledged and had the chance to make a response or something to it but instead it was accidentally quoted and purposely ignored.

[professotic]

VOTE: DDS

This to me just doesn’t fit. The more I stare at it it feels fake.

I think there is likely a lunar between DDS and RR.

Granted I really want Solar for *reasons* but I have too many possibilities for that world.

Yeah I’m the same.

And Lunar ain’t doing shit to find Solar.
Wasn’t till recently Dingle started to attempt to do something.

[professotic]

VOTE: DDS

[professotic]

I'm not disputing that. Just clarifying that you and DDS claimed to target me in separate phases.

I will bury you tomorrow btw after Dingle’s Lunar flip.

[professotic]

Don’t suggest ideas until and unless you’re able to defend them.

Don't tell me how to play, thanks. I'll bring up whatever I want to bring up.

This is serval AtE.
Not saying it’s obv wolf AtE but it’s unnecessary AtE and I think that they should focus on finding the Solar Cult here and focus less on themselves.


Give a legacy at least to whom you think the Solar Cult Members are.

[professotic]

I think Firebringer and PPF are probably the most likely slots to flip scum in my eyes. That's not to say that they're definitely scum, but I'd be least surprised to see that they're scum in this game.

I think professor is probably town due to both role and play. I do think he's being actively anti-town, but like that's not abnormal for him and I'm probably biased in leaving him open as an option. Still, could see this being intentional as a scum tactic, so I'm not going to cross him off the list. But they're probably my biggest townread of the yellows.

I've forgotten why either RR or T-Bone can't be Lunar? Can someone remind me of that please. Because RR's role could be fine as a real Lunar role.

I think Meuh and T-Bone (and Firebringer actually) are very much in the same sort of category for me. They all feel like they're playing the game in a pro-town way and are pushing things that make a lot of sense to me. I think this is where I'm potentially suffering from multiball bias - I think it's possible that any of these players are scum who are playing very similarly to how town would play because they're exerting most of their effort genuinely trying to find other scum. And so I suspect there's at least one blind spot for me here.

And Enchant is right above PPF/Firebringer I suppose. Doesn't really feel like scum, but maybe that's just... wrong.


So I'd like to vote in Firebringer/PPF/Enchant here, in probably that order.

VOTE: Firebringer

Is this your end solve legacy orrr?

[professotic]

Lol
This is Solar probably.

[professotic]

Like I’m sorry but who in their right mind thinks Dingle, Ydrass AND PPF are all towns.

Firebringer does. I don’t think Town does. I think Solar Does.


@T-Bone you vote Firebringer with Dingle (as Dingle is currently voting them) I’ll sheep it.
This is your only chance to have me side my vote with you.

[professotic]

There is literally no one more towny than the cat

buddy, shut up.
U don't even know what ur doing this game.

Yeah this post definitely feels like a Solar communicating with a Lunar.

[professotic]

Like I’m sorry but who in their right mind thinks Dingle, Ydrass AND PPF are all towns.

Firebringer does. I don’t think Town does. I think Solar Does.

where r u getting i said ppf is townie.

“All wagons are bad”

Lmao, did you not?

[professotic]

How the fuck are dingle and ydrasse scum.
I swear.

Going back to work. This game is just amazin.

FB still pretty obviously town.

VOTE: meuh

T-Bone still pretty obviously avoiding mentioning Ydrass.

[professotic]

Not my favorite vote because I really like meuh as a player but I just think she inherited a scum slot and this is the only vote people seem willing to do that isn't DDS.

XD
Ydrass isn’t a player I guess!??

[professotic]

Ydrass has 3 votes*
T-Bone: Yeah so I’m voting Meuh cause I don’t wanna vote Dingle

Meanwhile, VOTE: Ydrass

^ The Town

[professotic]

I’m convinced.
All the Ydrass voters that were there are Town.

[professotic]

Not my favorite vote because I really like meuh as a player but I just think she inherited a scum slot and this is the only vote people seem willing to do that isn't DDS.

My vote's still parked on Ydrasse.

Town.

[professotic]

At this point T-Bones just gonna have to come out and claim to be the Lunar Cult Convert if they want a chance at winning.

[professotic]

Then the dude is probably going to accuse me on being some kinda Solar Rolecop cause he can’t accept the fact I am a Town GOAT.

[professotic]

Also, honestly I don’t even feel like I’m in a hydra at this point.

Where is TicTac?
Must have took a one way ticket to the moon.

[professotic]

Actually I think T-Bone is well aware Firebringer is Solar and just wants to punish Town.
So Ydrass or Dingle can die today so he loses one member of his team.

[professotic]

@Dingle
@Ydrass
You guys had your chance sorry.

Blame T-Bone.

[professotic]

T-Bone is to blame for Lunar’s Lost Tbh.

[professotic]

I still think both CSF and Meuh are town so not voting either.

I still have no clue what to make of Ydrasse in this game. \_0_/

I was just looking at Dingle’s partner and as I said by deduction it has to be Ydrass with T-Bone as the convert.

[professotic]

we flipped scum meuh and junko just says im double confirmed scum.

scum pt ?!?!?!?

Spoiler:

ohh shit thanks for catching my slip
@mod pls correct 6825, wrong thread.

Why are you respond to this?
Did you look at the spoiler GiF?

[professotic]

No Firebringer I told you to stop joking in OUR scum pt

More like two separate PT’s for two separate wolf teams.

[professotic]

I'd rather have the dayvig right now not gonna lie

Probably would help you kill town the easiest eh?
My slot gets flipped then you flip another town huh.

Guess what though? You think people are actually gonna side with you after that?
Ha what a joke.

With a play like that Lunar already gave the win to Solar tbh.

I’d take the chance you have if I were you and work with town to eliminate wolves.

I don’t remember if you voted Ydrass or not I think you might have, if you did I suggest voting off your partner unless you give a really damn good argument on who a Solar Member is.

[professotic]

I’m not scum and I feel like you know that. X.C

[professotic]

Cat Scratch Fever
Meuh
Toogeloo
Enchant
Ydrasse
Professotic
Past Present Future
Firebringer
T-Bone
Radical Rat
Dingle Dangle Scarecrow

take this with a grain of salt becuase this lists changes drasticaly with a few "what ifs"

this is the most I can do for a towniest to scumiest list

Why is Toog so high?

[professotic]

Also I just noticed.

Why is Ydrass higher then me?

[professotic]

Can you please wait about arguing certain slots until you provide yours?

I think I made my thoughts pretty clear?



Firebringer - Solar
Ydrass, Dingle, T-Bone - Lunar

Not a Wolf:
Junko
MathBlade


Probably not a Wolf:
Enchant
Radical Rat

[professotic]

if Math flips scum I may take a vacation from the side for example

I’m clearing him cause
1)He was an IC for one faction revealed
2)He is a claimed Day Vigilante and I don’t think that would be wolf aligned

[professotic]

Can you please wait about arguing certain slots until you provide yours?

I think I made my thoughts pretty clear?



Firebringer - Solar
Ydrass, Dingle, T-Bone - Lunar

Not a Wolf:
Junko
MathBlade


Probably not a Wolf:
Enchant
Radical Rat

For example it’s worth note here that Professor thinks that Fire is explicitly Solar.

This doesn’t jive with the CSF and Meuh and PPF reads Fire has

And CSF and Meuh and PPF aren’t on his radar.

It’s odd.

I mean.
Lunar is Full.
And they are acting like a wolf that has the intention to not want to have any wolf eliminated.

[professotic]

Fire is screaming that CSF and Meuh are scum to the strength of a 1v1

Surely Professor would notice this of his top scumread no?

Yeah I’m aware.

Thus why I said I have no idea on where the other Solar members are.

[professotic]

I think the only way you'd not be the same alignment is via the method I think Prof slipped knowing about (which is that scum chose DDS/Math at some point to receive the blessings). Which if true will change how I view this mechanic, but that will require confirmation via Prof's scumflip first. Until that confirmation happens my instinct is that your roles are designed to be the same alignment for the purposes of that blessing mechanic.

Bro stop going on about this shit, your worse then me.

[professotic]

Also as I said.
I think T-Bone was Starting Town but ended up being converted into Lunar.

[professotic]

Can you please wait about arguing certain slots until you provide yours?

I think I made my thoughts pretty clear?



Firebringer - Solar
Ydrass, Dingle, T-Bone - Lunar

Not a Wolf:
Junko
MathBlade


Probably not a Wolf:
Enchant
Radical Rat

For example it’s worth note here that Professor thinks that Fire is explicitly Solar.

This doesn’t jive with the CSF and Meuh and PPF reads Fire has

And CSF and Meuh and PPF aren’t on his radar.

It’s odd.

I mean.
Lunar is Full.
And they are acting like a wolf that has the intention to not want to have any wolf eliminated.

I just realised, you think there's 4 lunar in total?

If I had to take a guess, yeah.

I think Lunar has an ability involving converting.
I think Solar are Arsonists.

[professotic]

You could argue my T-Bone read is flawed cause it resolves around converting being a thing and T-Bone getting converted.

[professotic]

Fire is screaming that CSF and Meuh are scum to the strength of a 1v1

Surely Professor would notice this of his top scumread no?

Yeah I’m aware.

Thus why I said I have no idea on where the other Solar members are.

But it’s odd for you to not have ANY CSF or Meuh read at all? Or PPF?

I can’t confidently call any of the 3 town.

[professotic]

Fuck, I think TicTac still wolf reads both PFP and Mastina Slot.

[professotic]

Can you please wait about arguing certain slots until you provide yours?

I think I made my thoughts pretty clear?



Firebringer - Solar
Ydrass, Dingle, T-Bone - Lunar

Not a Wolf:
Junko
MathBlade


Probably not a Wolf:
Enchant
Radical Rat

For example it’s worth note here that Professor thinks that Fire is explicitly Solar.

This doesn’t jive with the CSF and Meuh and PPF reads Fire has

And CSF and Meuh and PPF aren’t on his radar.

It’s odd.

I mean.
Lunar is Full.
And they are acting like a wolf that has the intention to not want to have any wolf eliminated.

I just realised, you think there's 4 lunar in total?

If I had to take a guess, yeah.

I think Lunar has an ability involving converting.
I think Solar are Arsonists.

I can buy the bottom paragraphs. RR converting TBone which stopped the burn. DDS traitor.
CSF/Meuh/PPF Solar?

Eh? Like I went over that possibility and it doesn’t feel right.
At least 1 member would split off somewhere and they are kinda grouped together in thread.
Where as DDS, T-Bone and Ydrass are not but they are obvious wolves together in other ways.

[professotic]

Like they aren’t together, they are split but trying to make each other live as much as they can.

[professotic]

Also it’s DDS and Ydrass starting Lunar.

T-Bone Convert.

[professotic]

It’s how T-Bone’s mindset changed.

Look at him day 1 and then now.

[professotic]

Also it’s DDS and Ydrass starting Lunar.

T-Bone Convert.

I can buy TBone convert given how their play changed. I can buy DDS. I don’t buy Ydrasse

I got that by votecounts and their reads.
Take a look at them.

[professotic]

Hot take scum reads: Radja, Dingle Dangle, Radical Rat slot

See it’s pretty likely RR converts TBone here.

I think the vote counts support it too.

I don’t think RR is a wolf socially.

[professotic]

I think T-Bone was probably converted due to the check by RR.

[professotic]

Just a bit of movement, I'm going to drop the formatting I did on the previous list.

Obviously my confidence in Prof is very high. I've grouped together DDS/Math and CSF/Meuh because I think their alignments depend on each other a bit. Like I think DDS/Math are town but if one flipped scum I will assume the other is scum as well. If I wasn't tying the two slots together I'd rate Math much lower by play...but every time I think about these two slots I think they have to be town. I think Meuh/CSF have a lot of partner equity where if Meuh flipped scum I think that would mean CSF is scum too. But, I could see them as opposite alignments. I have a hard time seeing both as town because of the way the slots have interacted the entire game. Unfortunately I have so many people I think are town I could be wrong somewhere. But I just don't know who among my townreads I could be wrong on. Rat gets a little mechanical assistance but I think by play Rat is town. I think FB and Enchant are very obviously town. I am reasonably certain DDS is town, and honestly I think I have Junko too low as it is. I'm relatively confident on Toog given there's not a lot of slots left I think could be scum, Ydrasse also by PoE, and I think there's still a chance MMR thought PPF was solar and that explains their play.

Spoiler: Reads 3.1

Rat
FB
Enchant
DDS/Math
Junko
-Town Line of No Return-
CSF/Meuh
Ydrasse
PPF
Toog
Prof

Spoiler: Reads 3.0

Some Sort of Mech Thing
Rat
DDS
Math
Meuh
CSF

Kinda Mech
Prof

Town Lean
Enchant
FB
Scarf

The Rest
PPF
Toog
Ydrasse

So same question to you TBone:

Your premises and conclusion don’t seem to match.

You say your premise of me/DDS is faulty if Prof is scum. Yet you think prof is scum. This doesn’t add up.

You think Fire is town yet don’t push on CSF or Meuh why?

I'm prioritizing my reads over mech speculation because while I know what I would design as a mod I don't know what Meg will do. I'm much like some others before me, explaining how my reads might change if we get some flips.

I literally voted for Meuh yesterday. I'm not Firebringer so it's not my responsibility to push his scumreads. I have other players ranked lower then them.

I also don't agree with the reads of DDS and Junko despite them also being my town reads. Why did you single out Firebringer?

You agree with RR’s readslist?

[professotic]

If I check T-bone tonight:
Sun attunement: T-bone can't be lunar, which means he and RR are very likely either town/town or solar/solar. (Unless RR is lunar who protected town T-bone but that's very unlikely).
Moon attunement: T-bone can't be solar, which means the burn likely happened, unless RR and T-bone are both lunar who made it up (which would out them as scum to the solar team, so unlikely). It also means that RR being scum now hinges on T-bone being scum, since as I said before, RR being lunar who protected town T-bone is very unlikely. This result would mean neither of them can be solar.

I think a check on RR is also good but because of the specific claim of a burn being stopped, a check on T-bone is marginally more informative.

I have a better idea VOTE: T-bone

Yes if you think I'm scum this is the correct move! Thank you! Unlike someone I won't mention who is too afraid to 1v1 me and is waiting for someone else to start the wagon. As soon as Math also puts his vote on me that player will then vote me, and then blame the two of you tomorrow for my town flip and say "well we should have flipped DDS first".

I’m not voting the convert today.
I’m not voting you today.

I want an original wolf

[professotic]

Which reads in particular are you disagreeing with, I mean other than Junko’s voting you obviously? I’m assuming Prof but you keep saying they scumslipped but I’m not seeing that? I think they sound similar here to LOST, as does CSF.

I mean literally all Junko's scum reads are my town reads and me.

To answer how Prof scumslipped, Prof claimed that the scumteams picked DDS/Math for the blessings they received at the end of day 1. Since no one had voiced this in thread or considered this in thread before, it looked like to me that he slipped information only the scumteam had. When I asked him if this was information he had, his immediately response was to try and say he never said that. Then he came up with some other excuses but the thing about a scumslip is that the damage is done when you do it.

Prof is different from Lost because Prof in this game has given up when he was pushed to three votes on Night 1, he tried to lie about his scumslip by acting like he never made that post and he has since gotten absolutely unhinged ever since I started calling him scum. He continues to quote me and make nonsensical claims about my posts to justify his fake scum read of me, based on some half brain theory about me being recruited by DDS into the Lunar scum team. He even quotes joke posts as evidence I'm scum. He does this because his read isn't real.

I think your read of him being the same as Lost is based on tone and not based on actions. Prof in Lost did not crumble to pressure, and was not afraid to push his scumreads, to the point where he faked a cop guilty like a fool to get someone eliminated. Now despite me being the only scumread he can't shut up about, he is afraid to 1v1 me because he knows my town flip puts him in a bad spot. In not stop talking about his scumread of me despite not doing anything about it, he talks about how he wants Solar to win rather than town to win. More importantly,

he will not vote me until others do

. I'm writing this post after Junko has placed a vote on me and Math voted me earlier in the day phase. I won't be surprised if when I click post he has finally placed his vote down. I expect after I flip town he will blame me for my bad play, blame Junko and Math for not flipping DDS first, and continue to try and not take responsibility for this top scumread he has. I have never seen Prof so afraid to vote his top scumread, have you?

Don’t listen to this.
This is miss information, go back and read the actual context.

[professotic]

I didn’t bother to read the last 2 paragraphs when the first part is already wrong

[professotic]

I explained how T-Bone was wrong and the dude still petting the kitty as if nothing happen.

[professotic]

He’s reaching for a reason on me cause the dude thinks I’m incompetent and Solar Rolecop.

I cannot be a Rolecop, I figured out you and your team cause your all obvious AF.

[professotic]

but you should have let t-bone answer that...

The convert?

Nah.

[professotic]

He’s reaching for a reason on me cause the dude thinks I’m incompetent and Solar Rolecop.

I cannot be a Rolecop, I figured out you and your team cause your all obvious AF.

who do you want to vote?

Dingle
Or
Ydrass

[professotic]

I’m just saying what Dingle’s doing.

[professotic]

:/

[professotic]

I’m sorry but if I get ML’ed here I’m going to Advocate to make sure Lunar loses and execute Dingle, Ydrass and T-Bone so they lose anyway from executing me and not putting full focus into finding Solar.

[professotic]

It does feel odd to me that T-Bone basically has no reaction to MMR's claim when it happens despite being around and talking about other things.

Mhm.
Ok.

[professotic]

Don't play with my heart Junko

VOTE: professotic

Buddy.

Im advocating for Dingle to die here and Ydrass.
Rather I'm executed or not I’ll make sure Lunar Loses.
Im a douchebag.

[professotic]

I said I was gonna work on not being a douchebag.
I’ll do that next month or so.

[professotic]

No but actually you’re kinda disgusting voting town over the enemy team so you can lose T-Bone.
Especially tunnelling me like you are with wrong teaching reason.

[professotic]

Reaching*

[professotic]

I’m scared I’m wrong here and the Porkens slot can be a Wolf.


VOTE: Porkens


Let’s save the host the trouble.

[professotic]

Junko I’m town.

I’m very confident your town as well.

[professotic]

Can we resolve the Maid Cafe slot please.

@Lunar
If you want to vote the other team instead of a town member, now is your chance.

[professotic]

@T-Bone

I’m giving you a chance.
You can vote the Porkens slot that can be Solar here.


Or

You can vote me out, a town.


And I’ll leave a legacy and force town to execute Dingle or Ydrass tomorrow and your Lunar Team loses cause you voted me out.

[professotic]

If I’m right, the only way you win tomorrow T-Bone is by open wolfing.

[professotic]

Begging Town to not let your team (Lunar Lose)


Cause if you don’t open wolf, I assure you Dingle or Ydrass WILL go over and you will lose.

[professotic]

@T-Bone

I’m giving you a chance.
You can vote the Porkens slot that can be Solar here.


Or

You can vote me out, a town.


And I’ll leave a legacy and force town to execute Dingle or Ydrass tomorrow and your Lunar Team loses cause you voted me out.

Why do you think Ydrasse is scum? Weren’t you tr STD? The fact that CSF couldn’t even tell which faction she could possibly be aligned with made me not at all confident in voting her and considering Dangle who was previously tr her, suddenly voted her. How can you think they’re still aligned?

I already explained I re-evaluated Ydrass slot and believed the Early TR on the slot from the other owner wasn’t strong enough anymore.

The Dingle vote here is something that I can’t tell if it’s a distance tactic or I’m wrong somewhere.

[professotic]

@T-Bone

I’m giving you a chance.
You can vote the Porkens slot that can be Solar here.


Or

You can vote me out, a town.


And I’ll leave a legacy and force town to execute Dingle or Ydrass tomorrow and your Lunar Team loses cause you voted me out.

What about firebringer?

Yeah, I’m now thinking they can be any alignment.

[professotic]

Like fine blame me if the Porkens slot ends up being town and we learn later we correctly wagoned scum... I just also want this phase to end. Let's get a flip and some fresh night actions to work with tomorrow.

VOTE: Porkens

I was the first to vote so y’all can blame me.

[professotic]

C.. can we just kill this and maybe still have a game to play?
VOTE: porkens

Same problem I have with Ydrasse.

I don’t think scum get this inactive.

If game agrees I will hammer with noted objection.

I think scum have more skin in the game.

I think inactivity isn’t AI.

[professotic]

C.. can we just kill this and maybe still have a game to play?
VOTE: porkens

Same problem I have with Ydrasse.

I don’t think scum get this inactive.

If game agrees I will hammer with noted objection.

I think scum have more skin in the game.

I think inactivity isn’t AI.

Literally what I said?

Porkers is NAI.

Scum are more invested.

If the wagon gets to E-1 I will hammer noting my disagreement.

It’s not what you said, it’s still the opposite cause saying

Bolded

applies you don’t agree with me that inactivity is not alignment indicative.
You might be trying to argue inactivity by alignment doesn’t mean they are a wolf, yes that’s true. It doesn’t mean they are a wolf.
But saying scum are more invested implies you think they are more likely town from their inactivity which is

NOT

the case here and it isn’t what I was saying.

It doesn’t make them Town Math.
And yes it also doesn’t make them wolf.
It’s NAI.

[professotic]

It's not like we're flipping an innocent child, we're flipping a slot that could be scum. It's a slot that has never been active at any point of the game, why can't it be scum?

Yep.
You were starting town. This is a good post.

I’m willing to say if conversion isn’t a thing, your town.
If it is a thing, you have definitely been converted.

[professotic]

It's not like we're flipping an innocent child, we're flipping a slot that could be scum. It's a slot that has never been active at any point of the game, why can't it be scum?

Because NAI in a game with this much size and this much content is more likely town.

That is so hypocritical LMAO.
And so wrong.

I’m not longer confident in Math as I was before.
Math moved down for me.
RR moved up for me, ironically.

[professotic]

Because the game is going on longer and longer without consensus. This means we don’t have a good townblock despite my efforts to build it. Players not listened too are more likely to go fuck it unless they have a reason not to.

You've done nothing of the sort. You've tried to active lurk because you have a hero shot you want to use. When you had the shot to use it on a consensus last time you decidedly did not use it on one of the slots that had huge questions around them. So you can stop this nonsense. You have 400 posts more than the next active player and all you have to show for it was using your daykill on a player very people wanted you to. This game is dragging as it is. You want to build that town block? Stop being an obstruction.

Yeah.
I was originally thinking of a T-Bone/Math team a couple days ago of me just putting multiple thoughts together.
However this post I don’t see a partner doing.

I also believe T-Bone can only be Town or Lunar Convert so they can’t really be with Math.

[professotic]

Alright so let me just post up what I had during the night.


Ok so I don’t think it’s Meuh.
They were being voted by both a Lunar and a Solar member and being put at E-2

Maid Cafe Slot (Solar Member’s Votes in Order)
Day 1
MathBlade
MMR
Unvoted MMR
Mastina

Day 2
Past Present Future
Unvoted PPF
Past Present Future

Day 3
Ydrass
Enchant


MMR (Lunar Member’s Votes in Order)
Day 1
Dingle Dangle
Radja (Town)
Mastina
Professotic (Town and also me.)


Day 2
Past Present Future



Also it’s weird. Neither of the two flipped wolves voted for RadicalRat during day 1.

Radical Rat(8) Mastina, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Yume, furtiveglance, Past Present Future, Bunnyonce, Ydrasse, Scarfmanship [E-1!]

Furitive and Bunny are flipped Town
Scarf/Junko is very likely town.
That leaves Yume/CSF, Ydrass, Dingle and Mastina.
I don’t think it’s Mastina as I said before.

Leaving Dingle, Ydrass and Yume/CSF

We can also think RR might be a wolf.
I think one of two things can be the case.

RR is Town and has definitely shown it socially.
Or
RR is Solar and used Maid Cafe to get a good fake claim off.


There as also neither wolves on the day 1 execution either.

Bunnyonce (9) Enchant, Mastina, Mathblade, scarfmanship, professotic, T-Bone, Past Present Future, Yume, Radical Rat

I know my slot is Town.
All the other slots haven’t flipped though so there has to be a wolf somewhere there.

Both PPF and Yume/CSF are reoccurring in these.
By votes, I don’t think it’s PPF.



Not Lunar
MathBlade (Mech)

Not Solar
Dingle Dangle (Mech)

Probably not Solar
Firebringer (I only see this guy a Solar wolf if it’s with MathBlade cause of their vote on Maid Cafe slot at the end.)


Not Either Wolves
Meuh (Both Wolves voting them.)
Past Present Future (Both Wolves voting them.)
Junko (I think this slot has been super Townie and TicTac hard town read Scarf.)

Probably not either wolf team
T-Bone (I mean the dude can be a wolf, number one convert target and explains the shift in behaviour I felt from them but I seen the dude make good posts serval times that I felt came from a town mindset. Sure he has his ego push on me saying I “slipped” but I’ll be honest, I’ve made shit pushes like that before as well so I don’t blame the dude.)


Treatment on Maid Cafe Slot last day I didn’t like:
MathBlade (their treatment at the very end with stating intent to vote but not doing it and Firebringer steals the vote from them.)
(Let’s not forgot that fucking NAI thing they were talking about was sus AF.)
Ydrass (Town read the slot for leaving??)


Treatment on Maid Cafe Slot that is concerning but I didn’t directly hate:
Radical Rat (denial on Maid Cafe, however I understood it cause of their confidence on Dingle.)

[professotic]

Now let’s look at every player and if they voted one of the wolves and what days.
(Going by Votecounts.)
I’m gonna skip Junko cause they are obvious town I feel.
I’m also gonna skip Mastina and PPF for reasons I mentioned previously.

Radical Rat:

Day 1
Furtive (Town)
Professotic (Me, Town)
T-Bone
Mastina
Unvoted Mastina
Bunny (Town)


Day 2
MMR (Lunar)


Day 3
Furtive (Town)

Day 4
Dingle


Conclusion:
I don’t think this is Lunar, but this can definitely be a Solar.


T-Bone:

Day 1
Enchant
Radja (Town)
Mastina
Bunny (Town)

Day 2
MMR (Lunar)
Unvoted MMR

Day 3
Past Present Future
Maid Cafe (Solar)

Day 4
Professotic (Me, Town.)
Ydrass
Maid Cafe (Solar)

Conclusion:
Looks Good.
By votecount this makes me feel good about them still.


Dingle:

Day 1
Enchant
Professotic (Me, Town)
Unvoted Professotic
MathBlade
Maid Cafe (Solar)
Enchant
Professotic (Me, Town)
Radical Rat
Scarf
Unvoted Scarf


Day 2
Furtive (Town)
Past Present Future
MMR (Lunar)

Day 3
Furtive (Town)

Day 4
Mastina
Unvoted Mastina
Firebringer
Ydrass


Conclusion:
Not so good, can still be Lunar.

MathBlade:

Day 1
Enchant
Radja (Town)
Mastina
Unvoted Mastina
Radja (Town)
Mastina
Unvoted Mastina
Bunny (Town)

Day 2
Past Present Future
MMR (Lunar)

Day 3
Past Present Future
Furtive (Town)
Unvoted Furtive

Day 4
Mastina
Past Present Future
Professotic (Me, Town)
T-Bone
Dingle
Unvoted Dingle

Conclusion:
This does feel like a Solar Vote Placement tbh.


Firebringer

Day 1:
Bunny (Town)
MMR (Lunar)
Mastina
Unvoted Mastina


Day 2
Mastina
Past Present Future
MMR (Lunar)

Day 3
Enchant

Day 4
Mastina
Cat Scratch Fever
Maid Cafe (Solar)


Conclusion: I don’t think this is a Lunar but can be a Solar and probably with MathBlade or RR. Yes I was wrong. Fire can be with Math OR RR.

Cat Scratch Fever

Day 1:
Professotic (Me, Town)
MathBlade
Professotic (Me, Town)
Radical Rat
Enchant
Scarf
Bunny (Town)

Day 2:
MMR (Lunar)
Mastina
Unvoted Mastina
MMR (Lunar)
Radja (Town)

Day 3:
Furtive (Town)

Day 4:
Past Present Future
Unvoted Past Present Future
Enchant
Unvoted Enchant
Ydrass
Maid Cafe (Solar)

Conclusion: Cannot be Solar, Solar becomes Vandalized Day 1 if MathBlade would go over.
Eh it’s like this votecount just looks Town to me other then the Furtive vote.

Enchant

Day 1:
Scarf
Professotic (Me, Town)
Maid Cafe (Solar)
Mastina
Unvoted Mastina
Professotic (Me, Town)
Mastina
Unvoted Mastina
Bunny (Town)

Day 2:
Past Present Future
Unvoted Past Present Future
Past Present Future

Day 3:
Furtive (Town)

Day 4:
Mastina
Maid Cafe (Solar)

Conclusion: I think Enchant can be a wolf just as much as they can be town. I had a town vibe on them like I did with Furtive but this vote placement can easily be done by a wolf so.


Ydrass

Day 1:
Firebringer
Unvoted Firebringer
Scarf
Unvoted Scarf
Radja (Town)
Radical Rat
Unvoted Radical Rat

Day 2:
Past Present Future
MMR (Lunar)

Day 3:
Furtive (Town)

Day 4:
Mastina
Professotic (Me, Town)

Conclusion:
After day 1 it does show how much they didn’t directly care with their low amount of votes.
What’s interesting is both SavetheDragons and them voted and unvoted a player in the same day phase of day 1. If they are a wolf what does that mean for Firebringer and Radical Rat?
I feel like their votes after are very lazy typical votes like they didn’t really want to advance anything new, however I suppose it could be because they don’t care too much about the game but I’m still unsure about this slot and vote placement.


Fun Fact:
Most players voted me and there is a trend of players that voted to unvote Mastina.

[professotic]

Now in the morning when I wake up I’ll see how things have changed since I see Math flipped Green.

[professotic]

I still think Dingle is Lunar.

[professotic]

Hmm so could Lunar be CSF/Dingle?