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VOTE: Save The dragons

Wagoning this

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Carry on

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I already have a lot of fear and worry

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Of all the votes out there right now, STD's case seems the best, but I'm leery.

@STD Why should I sheep you?

Classic n0 cop check

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omg i can't believe i wasted 4 posts already

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omg there goes another one!

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and another!

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what happens if i run out of posts?

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naked voting every 12 hours? ick.

maybe i shouldn't have signed up for a post capped game lol

or maybe i should stop wasting posts

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VOTE: Eiralox

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VOTE: killing joke

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VOTE: killing joke

Not a fan

Why

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I want to know how people respond to my vote so I won't explain just yet what I saw

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Because I was asked to explain my vote and I don't want to for reasons provided in the post you quoted?

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Why do you think scum would blatantly target an activite slot like that

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I don't know if that's necessarily true. I want more feedback regardless

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Elements i think you're getting fussed over a playstyle difference but you're not sring me. You could be a partner of kj soft defending them but I think you're just town enraptured by their content

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I don't think everyone is I think elements and Titus did and I disagree

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I dunno yet

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eh im not surprised a wagon formed on me

i'll explain myself first and then i'll try to catch up if i have time before work.

but first, this vote:

VOTE: Eiralox

was 90% this post

I smell mutiny.

it just seems like a scummy opening. then to continue with more fluff and then try to vote no elim just seemed off. HOWEVER since interacting with the slot i think the slot is town. so i'm happy to have moved my vote.

Now. for killing joke. i wasn't really intending to do the same thing i did in temple to determine nancy's alignment, it wasn't a reaction test for nancy, it wasn't really a reaction test at all, i just wanted feedback on it. And to note, because of temple, it wasn't going to work again, so i didn't do it to test nancy.

I will say, i'm a little confused at what my scum agenda is to stick out like a sore thumb and vote for nancy to test her again would be, but i'll see if that's explained.

Why the chess in 55? Is playing chess within a mafia game normal behavior from you?

i want to know what motivated this question in particular. it made me go hmm. it's a question just to ask a question, to pad the post, not to hunt. how does whether or not elements play chess solve the game in any way? It doesn't, but it got asked anyway as if it did, and people seem to be okay with that.

If this helps any, I think Dragons can be pre flipped as Town. Does that change anything wrt your Wayword analysis?

I'm also wary of this...pre-flipping me as town? based on what?

@Flea. any reads so far other than Mala?

We both strongly tr RR. I was afraid to because they successfully pocketed me in Elected Decisions.

I kind of like Titus not knowing who we are. I think she’d probably be paying more attention to that as scum? \_0_/

Bella’s tone seems good.

@Passenger why do you sr HPE?

I told Joker that that I believe I can correctly parse Flea, because I trust myself to read them accurately. Idk why you think fare’s fine though @Bella. I could go with NIA. Joker’s pretty much locked convinced on STD!town but I’m currently nia on them.

And wrt voting, we’re probably going to do that as a team, since we don’t want to waste posts unvoting the other if we disagree.

~Harley

Then we have a nancy post that just feels flat. something bothers me about how easy it is. nothing controversial or nothing that couldn't be walked back.

so

not an airtight case. but i had pings from both frogster and nancy, and i felt it was a better vote than my previous one. i wanted to see if anyone agreed with me to see if i could mind meld with someone, turns out no one did so maybe i'm wrong, but just something to think about.

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In what universe did you not think, that I would not find that suspicious?

so even you doubt that i'm scum doing this? do you think i'm really dumb?

STD expects me to seriously fall for it two games, back to back.

of course i wouldn't

1) Why did Dragons vote our slot seemingly out of nowhere for absolutely no reason?

i often naked vote as town or scum it's a playstyle thing.

2) Why is Elements suddenly going out of their way to push Dragons and white knight our slot?

i dunno

3) Why is Dragons pretending to be agitated for absolutely no reason or provocation? (137)

i'm not sure how you read that as agitated. it really sounded like he was coming at me for a playstyle thing and i was pointing that out.

4) Why does Dragons play make no sense internally based on what he claims to be doing? (133)

i'm not sure it makes no sense i feel like i've described what i was doing and if you didn't like it so far i described at the end of my previous post.

I dislike your conclusion, Mala, because it completely overlooks the only logical conclusion about Dragon's play: it's an obviously scummy move which gives Elements an excuse to push Dragons and set her own slot up for endgame. There is literally no other reason, Town or scum, for Dragons to play the way they have over the last couple of pages.

besides masque have you seen my scumgame?

i'm still confused why i would come after you using the same tactic in temple if i were scum, that would be obvious and put me in the line of fire.

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Dragons reuses his scum material so much you can track where he is on his agenda beat-for-beat:

(in response to Red)

Yes, and if I were an intruder, I would have lied and come up with suspicions, it wouldn't have been hard to parrot or invent some.

(in response to Elements)

Why do you think scum would blatantly target an activite slot like that

lol i don't even think these two quotes are similar but maybe i'm an idiot

they look to be describing two different scenarios to me though

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Elements i think you're getting fussed over a playstyle difference but you're not sring me. You could be a partner of kj soft defending them but I think you're just town enraptured by their content

This post sets off shivers. It may be the way they said, "could be"?

I don't know how it makes me feel about elements though.

p-edit OK, I'll digest that.

this is really fucking weird

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i don't know that you're scum i'm just voting you right now because i think it's the most likely option but if you want to prove me wrong you can try

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@std, scale of 1-10 how actually worried are you about being the elim here?

Maybe 2

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i don't know that you're scum i'm just voting you right now because i think it's the most likely option but if you want to prove me wrong you can try

I have a much beter idea sport, why don’t YOU prove me wrong because I really don’t think I am wrong on you.

I made points against you and you ignored them so shrug

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Also I think HPE could be scum but I forgot to mention that earlier and that above post doesn't help

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Also Bella is a little sus

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I should rephrase.

Bella why did you ask the question you did about me being worried about my lim on a scale of 1 to 10?

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How can you possibly think you have 3 scum reads correct

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This is pretty comical at this point

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Std: hey guys I'm worried about kj I'm gonna put a vote there see what happens
Kj: STD IS SCUM AND SO IS EVERYONE WHO DEFENDS HIM
HERE IS SOME META THAT IS TANGENTIALLY RELATED BUT WE'RE PRENTENDING IT'S A SCUMCLAIM.
town: *applause* let's wagon std

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Ouuuuuh this was a lot. After reading from 117, this one's main thoughts are: Joker had a half-decent case against StD early on, but that's since kinda crumbled. His tone is kinda wacky and his points against Elements, Flea, and StD have all gotten out of whack, but it honestly... doesn't scumread him all that much. It feels like town misplaying rather than scum shitpushing from what it knows firsthand of his meta. Some of Harley's later posts (i.e. 265 immediately under Flea stating that faer not ignoring her at all and 267 saying NO YOU TOTALLY ARE IGNORING ME) feel

bad

though.

That being said! StD doesn't look so good either even if Joker's case isn't quite so good anymore. His ISO is very dodgy in general but in particular 231 is just groanworthy. Scumlean here, and can't help but feel his reactions and posts have built a more convincing case against himself than the logic Joker was levying.

Going to say that this one also somewhat strongly townreads Flea, this one likes faer posts and points quite a bit.

Theres strong crossovers in this list to the frog/eira game recently, so I'm going to try to keep open minded to hpe and elements.

Forgot to say and you reminded this one; hi Bella!

VOTE: killing joke

VOTE: elements

Half unrelated: Explanations on these votes would be nice, especially when it can kind of see the Elements vote but would like more thoughts from others.

What

do

you see?

That this one didn't like Elements' ISO very much, and still doesn't. Scumlean on Elements.

Fuck it, VOTE: Save The Dragons

there is no analysis going on and the hesitation makes me worry. If HPE is town, why is there hesitation to get on my wagon? Furthermore, what's dodgy? What's wrong with the post listed (it's a jokey post but it's how I see the game, i don't know how you could scumread it without explaining why)? Why do you tr flea?

I think this has the best chance of hitting scum.

VOTE: HPE

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i don't tr you i just think HPE is more likely to be scum. i've listed reasons. they're not solving they're just saying information instead of analyzing. i think they're being careful and calculating like scum would be.

if i'm being honest i am losing my nerve a little due to the misplaced confidence frogster has in the associative flips (well i can't speak for elements and flea but i know you're wrong about me so when i flip green you're slots going to have to come up with an excuse). it seems like too much confidence which makes me wonder if your slot doesn't actually know i'm not scum.

i feel like you guys are throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks like flea suggested which makes me still question your slot

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i don't really care about meta tbh

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i doubt it

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but let's say for argument's sake i did believe that to be the case.

who do you think is scared of frogster that's voting you?

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i never said your wagon was all town

i'm doubting your premise that someone is scared of frogster and is voting for that reason

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who

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also who cares

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i guess that's the same question but still

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who

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as in WHICH ONE

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like i could sit here and say a blanket statement like "there's scum voting for me" and i don't think it's unreasonable for someone to say "hey STD, who do you think is scum on your wagon then?" and if i kept saying "there's scum voting for me" that person would probably get pissed off at me

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because i think it's frankly ridiculous to accuse anybody of being scared of frogster for whatever play he's ever done so

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which one

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who *bang* on *bang* your *bang* wagon *bang* is *bang* scared *bang* of *bang* frogster *bang* do *bang* you *bang* think *bang* if *bang* i'm *bang* telling *bang* you *bang* that *bang* I *bang* don't *bang* care *bang*

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please im practically begging you not to dodge this question anymore

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i want names

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is there a serious question in there

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Your vote, Elements' vote and Flea vote were all fear IMO

You're several plums short of a fruitcake dude

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so i'm just not going to get an answer to my question i guess

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How are you reading the voters currently on my my wagon and why?

i don't really have a strong read but the fact that they see what i see makes me a little less suspicious of them. i think scum is on my my wagon tbh

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so i'm just not going to get an answer to my question i guess

Is this at me?

no, @harley

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harley

who, as in which players voting for you, do you think is afraid of frogs? you have not answered this question as you need to name names to answer this question appropriately.

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HPE is not solving HPE is not analyzing HPE had hesitation in voting me because it doesn't want to look too suspicious jumping on my wagon.

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You really vastly underestimate this one's willingness to ride the wagon. There isn't really anything this one can do to convince you "Actually, it was NOT hesitation!" though, it imagines.

i feel like you're picking the easiest argument to argue.

did you provide analysis? do you have a reason why my posts are scummy?

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i don't think that's anaylsis and i don't think that's relevant to my alignment seems like a playstyle thing, no?

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k so if we're at maybe, like what about it is coasting in a scum way and what about it is coasting in a potential playstyle way

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maybe it's best i die so town can get its collective head out of its collective ass

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actiondan

from what i recall of HPE's post, it said that it didn't like one of my posts and that the vibes were off. that's not analysis. that's not bad analysis, it's not analysis at all.

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That being said! StD doesn't look so good either even if Joker's case isn't quite so good anymore. His ISO is very dodgy in general but in particular 231 is just groanworthy. Scumlean here, and can't help but feel his reactions and posts have built a more convincing case against himself than the logic Joker was levying.

just to remind everyone what actiondan thinks is analysis and i don't think is analysis

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Prepare to be disappointed lol

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Like I don't think it's unreasonable to want answers to my questions or have people explain themselves but apparently you think I shouldn't expect that

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You're in for a rude awakening when you realize things I've been saying aren't town things or scum things

They're std things

And then you would realize that you scumreadinf me in past games may not have been because you caught me, but because you got lucky

Knowing I am town here and you're trying to use meta incorrectly does not make you a very scary player so I dunno why I would fear you

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I see town and scum things from them

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And in case your wondering: no, Dragons doesn't coast as Town, it's just AtE they're spewing. Dragons is actually a really good Town player.

also

i never said i was coasting, someone else said i was coasting and i asked that individual to explain

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I'm not sure how Passenger is going to explain scum reading Dragons and I. They aren't a beginner and that take seems really unintuitive to me.

perhaps the only thing we see eye to eye on

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i think i've been very carefree considering this is a post restricted game and i've been wasting posts left and right

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is that it feels like he is trying to keep interactions to a minimum, and that while doing things that are supposed to get him townread.

this doesn't feel true either

if i wanted to get townread why would i attack the top poster

if i wanted to keep interactions to a minimum, why would i post so damn much

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i didn't bluff, i stated my reasons for voting KJ

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here's a fun exercise

anyone in the thread - name one read HPE has that isn't me!scum

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first off, i don't know what you're talking about, i did talk about my reasoning in 187 you can disagree with it but you can't just ignore the fact i said something about it and call it a bluff

second of all, you posted a post where you basically attack me

you say flea's vibes are better and that's "some" reads?

o.O

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i don't see a read on KJ in that post

i asked for reads besides mine and you give one on flea and i guess i missed one elements. it's not the home run you seem to think it is

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gimli is probably scum

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andres did nothing

gimli comes in and tries to spout out the most "least controversial" opinions that people have

i dunno. there's obviously scum on my wagon regardless of my alignment, i'd like to hunt for it before i get slaughtered

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i also feel like enchant does more as town

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titus's lack of presence bothers me a little but not enough to really worry about her

i have no read on bbt at this time

mala seems town i feel like staying out of the butting heads and going hard on someone else seems like it's avoiding the easy scum play of taking a side. it feels more like town apathy/annoyance of the battle going back and forth.

i'm suspicious of dan and am a little shocked at all the town reads on him. his vote on me seems a little lazy. i guess he explains it later, and i don't mind his recent big post so much except for the bit about analysis which i think he's wrong and i'm right and i don't know if that's because he's scum trying to attribute something when it's not there to make me look bad or if he just believes what he says. i dunno. i don't have a solid scumlean on him but i'm just wary.

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i dun remember everything i've ever said

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Killing Joke

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Wayward Son

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ActionDan

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HighPrincessErinys

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Eiralox

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Gimli

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Green is town

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I might be a little biased

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VOTE: gimli

FOR MALAKITTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENS

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Can you expand on those?

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Killing Joke

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Wayward Son

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ActionDan

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HighPrincessErinys

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Eiralox

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Gimli

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Green is town

Killing Joke

is null because they've done so much. they've town told and scum told and done everything in existence that it's hard to tell what their actual alignment is. in hindsight, it's probably just town but like a little crazy but i'm still not sure with them throwing everything and the kitchen sink against me trying to crucify me, it could just be they really think i'm scum and so they're doing any little thing. maybe i'm talking myself into a yellow green color here

Wayward Son

is kind of null because i don't really remember anything they've done or any hard stances they've had. i was on mobile when i posted this and was busy so couldn't go back and look, null is the vibe i have.

ActionDan

i've expressed my concern earlier, but i don't think that HPE provided analysis, he thinks it did, so i dunno where to go with that. i don't know if i like a lot of his arguments against me. he calls my initial vote a reaction test which it wasn't really, i was just looking for feedback. i guess you could call that a reaction test but someone else called it that and he ran with it, i didn't intend for it to be something people reacted to as a gotcha trap moment which i feel reaction tests usually are. On the other paw, he did give feedback on my initial KJ case. I don't really know, something doesn't vibe right with me.

HighPrincessErinys

I've already explained. I still think this is possibly scum and am surprised at town reads on this slot. why not demand more from it? I haven't seen much tbh except a misplaced suspicion on me

Eiralox

is probably green but i'm still salty that they mischaracterized my...side's, i guess...argument to "wow you have a lot of scumreads" it doesn't look like they actually tried to understand what i was putting out so it's disappointing. other than that i've felt good vibewise about the slot.

Gimli

i'm still trying to figure out how to read gimli, but considering we just played dance game where i wasn't scum, and we just played doctor game where i wasn't scum, why doesn't he have pause when thinking i'm scum or not in this game? he feels like he did in temple game, where he was scum.

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@BBT, @Titus, @Enchant, @Dragons and @Passenger have content to respond to below. My suspicion of Enchant is growing.

i didn't see any content worth responding to.

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i guess my point is you seem so confident i'm scum but you have had trouble reading me in the past, why are you so confident this time? maybe i'm the idiot and can't see what i'm doing differently but i don't really see it, this is my town game.

i liked that post just now though (576)

i like playing with you too

i'm fine being today's lim it'll probably provide some much needed space and clarity to the game and people can go after the people on my wagon (or like bella who's sniping me from the sidelines). if i can survive that's great though but i doubt i make it to endgame anyway

HPE wagon is weird with people just trickling onto it not really agreeing or disagreeing with what i've said. i want to try gimli for a bit and see how that feels

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that's spity

No, honestly, i didn't find any questions in whatever this garbage is. (now that was spity).

@Dragons

I'm not sure how Passenger is going to explain scum reading Dragons and I. They aren't a beginner and that take seems really unintuitive to me.

perhaps the only thing we see eye to eye on

Now you want to try being chummy with me to get me off your tail, scum butt? Or are you desperate to appear not-associated with Passenger and it had nothing to do with my slot?

This is the officially named "reverse 'NSG TELL ''" fyi. Scum!indicative forcing a dumb jokey into a post in a context which is unnatural for a townie to be jokey. viewtopic.php?f=5&t=90273

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Std: hey guys I'm worried about kj I'm gonna put a vote there see what happens
Kj: STD IS SCUM AND SO IS EVERYONE WHO DEFENDS HIM
HERE IS SOME META THAT IS TANGENTIALLY RELATED BUT WE'RE PRENTENDING IT'S A SCUMCLAIM.
town: *applause* let's wagon std

Do you have counterexamples of you doing the same thing as town?

i dun remember everything i've ever said

Executive Director: ARRGH! THESPIANS...WHERE'S THE PASSION? WHERE IS THE EXCITEMENT? WHAT ARE YOUR CHARACTERS TRYING TO ACHIEVE!?! SHOULD I CALL THE UNDERSTUDIES IN AND GIVE THEM A DRESS REHEARSAL?

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titus do you have any like thoughts about like anything

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i think elements is town

i liked the enchant vote

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i dunno gimli

you seemed pretty confident it's me and i don't recall you mentioning enchant at all before this

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i don't

i mean maybe everyone is telling me i'm agitated or jumpy or whatever by saying that but i don't think i was so i think people are just reading it wrong

my playstyle is weird and wacky and sometimes it looks scummy and i think that's what's bothering people which is why i said that.

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i mean your vote on enchant could be performative "look at me i'm evolving from my death tunnel read on STD because i'm town"

but like i dunno why you'd switch off of me if you're scum i could probably be pushed through, though i guess there is enough hesitance...i dunno.

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VOTE: passenger

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if only i elaborated anywhere else in the thread

oh wait i have

gimli comes in and tries to spout out the most "least controversial" opinions that people have

i guess my point is you seem so confident i'm scum but you have had trouble reading me in the past, why are you so confident this time? maybe i'm the idiot and can't see what i'm doing differently but i don't really see it, this is my town game.

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i don't think i said he wasn't confident as scum?

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in fact i think i say the opposite, where he feels like he does when he was scum, ergo, he feels more confident in his reads when he is scum

where did you get i said he paused in the temple game?

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those are two separate thoughts, it's not saying he paused in the temple game

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we are at an impasse because you are actively choosing to read it wrong. that is not what i am saying

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i don't like being scumread for things i'm clearly not saying

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it could just be a misunderstanding by being poorly written i'm just being huffy

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You didn't even bother to update your vote

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You are three tacos short of an enchilada platter

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Why the hell would scum me think "I smell mutiny" is about me that's like one of the most ridiculous postulates in this thread and there are a lot

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I didn't really mean to imply I thought you were town if I did I would have put you green

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I made a list like a page ago

Why do you think I still think you're town if I put you at null more recently

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No you make up bullshit or you want to not pay attention you get called out on it

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Killing Joke

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Wayward Son

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ActionDan

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HighPrincessErinys

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Eiralox

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Gimli

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Green is town.
Didn't write self as Green.


Haha easiest win in my life

VOTE: STD

It was literally quoted on the page smh

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So if you want to get serious show me you're paying attention

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Because you don't seem to suspect me until way after that, so how does your narrative of "me saying your town to get you off me" even make sense

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More words I'm not responding too. Your temporal grip seems to be loosely defined, it's very clear we're talking about early you and not new, shiny you. Trying to frame it as if what I'm saying has anything at all to do with what you've recently been saying about me is classic deflection.

then clearly i'm confused by your post. maybe it's on me, i dunno. help a wolfy out next time

@ STD Can you put in one post who you are most suspicious of right now?

I'm most suspicious of you, Elements and Passenger right now.

i am most suspicious of HPE right now. I do not think they are solving, i think they've been rather single minded in their assault on me. I think some of their case doesn't make a lot of sense, and i think regardless of what other people think there wasn't analysis and there was hesitation to jump on a wagon with scum potentially already on it.

There is talk in the Clown Cabin that your morale is decreasing over time because your team is losing

you guys spin more narrative than george r. r. martin

No one's vote on hpe seems well explained tbf.

ouch

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Got it!

Gimli

i'm still trying to figure out how to read gimli, but considering we just played dance game where i wasn't scum, and we just played doctor game where i wasn't scum, why doesn't he have pause when thinking i'm scum or not in this game? he feels like he did in temple game, where he was scum.

Gimli has a VERY different feel to temple game here to me.
In Temple he was defeatist, but had fun with it. Here he's very much more active if just as lazy in places (increasingly less so) and there's no defeatism here that I can pick up on.
Whats the similarity for you here?

im starting to doubt my statement here but when i made it gimli was hyper focused on me and it seemed like he was in anti-spew mode in temple. to focus on one player keeps your reads close to the chest and prevents you from spewing information. that's the comparison i was making, not necessarily that he was quote unquote lolcatting here.

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as an addendum:

the HPE wagon comp is pretty disgusting but so is my wagon so i'm really confused by this game.

i think gimli is probably town at this point and i probably should have seen it earlier.

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Game barely started and you wanted to flip 3 people as scum? Not likely but you and Eiralox seem to have no problem with that. Hmm

What do you care about the number

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Ok. It is not fake. It was a gut read based on little info. Next question

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I've also already stated that I think I need to die to get towns head on straight so I'm not sure what "you just want to survive" is supposed to mean

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Ask me again I don't know what to answer for that I havent

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I would recommend reading the thread I've done lots of hunting

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You seem to be missing the fact it has a temporality to it. It has to do with having those reads so early.

Would like to know why you care before I answer the second question

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You're not even trying eiralox

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Ask me again I don't know what to answer for that I havent

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I've said the sus players are on my wagon and your wagon.

Meanwhile you've single-mindedly pushed me. And have barely given any reads elsewhere

So how can you accuse me of being single minded, hpe

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Me: Can you please rephrase so I can answer your questions
You: you've got a lot of unanswered questions!
Me: I don't think you're trying
You: scum
Me: sigh

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I would recommend reading the thread I've done lots of hunting

Single-minded hunting, at best. The majority of your hunting has been poking at KJ and me, otherwise you've just been posting surface level reads on people and sheeping Mala on Gimli. If you could hunt more and expand on your reads in 513 through 519, that'd be great.


As for my investigations into Gimli's ISO: Would say he's a strong townread. His ISO looks very good in general and on re-evaluation this one thinks the parroting thing isn't actually all too present except maybe his first few posts but that's pretty insignificant. His ISO's structure doesn't lend itself to picking out particular posts but it likes his stances about the wagon comps and StD.

Think if it's gonna vote anyone other than StD it'd probably be Elements but the likelihood its hopping off the StD wagon is slim to none, it thinks.

HPE

1. I think gimli is town now and I've fleshed that scumtead out in the thread a lot. I think enchant and Titus do more as town. They could be scum lurking

2. What do you think of slots doing absolutely nothing? Enchant, passenger, Titus all have done basically nothing all game and have or are voting you. Where do you stand with them?

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It's exhausting

Can't wait to run out of posts

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Why do you keep avoiding these specific players?

Which players am I avoiding

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I suspect scum aren't saying much because they're happy with the status quo

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Why do you keep avoiding these specific players?

Which players am I avoiding

I'm done talking.

To me it has been very clear.

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If Fenrir is green I'll feel dumb.

i can rest easy now

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I would vote STD here, but Enchant is in the game so it’s basically E-1.

enchant is already voting me

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They haven't looked at all people with a suspicious lens, their targets and reads happen to align to what's expedient at the moment,

that's why i went after people like Killing Joke and HPE

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flip actiondan, his read on me is pretty stale

flip HPE, its not hunting despite people claiming it is, it only went after me and despite multiple attempts to get more info on other slots it never did

flip titus, that slot is doing nothing

and then maybe passenger as well

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all of those reads and more have already been explained by me so saying i'm not hunting is garbage

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thank you to people who recognize this is way outside my scumgame

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"OH NO HE ATE'D THAT NEVER COMES FROM TOWN"
Killing joke, probably

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thank you to people who recognize this is way outside my scumgame

What part of this is out of your scum range?

You didn't go after KJ, you made an awkward vote with a delayed explanation that amounted to nothing

Your read on HPE seems pretty stale as well, speaking of stale reads

I feel a lot like eiralox this gameday cause the amount of scummy posting coming out of you is excessive and beyond salvation, to the point where I don't wanna derail the thread arguing. And this is something everybody - except BBT, elements and flea - seems to agree with.

Whats your read on elements? Don't you think it's odd that she is putting no effort into reading you and whatnot?

Outside my scumrange: my scum style is somewhat lurky and definitely not spammy and most posts in the thread. I am nervous as scum and liberated as town. But I do try to change my meta so I can't be meta read so I guess take that with a grain of salt

Going after KJ: I went after KJ for as long as I scumread them. Just because you disagree doesn't mean it was wrong to go after them.

Hpe stale read: I disagree, there's been nothing but rocks thrown my way from that slot so it's hard to update that read. Alternatively, I've given reads on several players despite what people are saying, and people are willfully choosing not to engage with me on them.

Elements read: I don't know at this point. They seem content with either me or passenger. Would like to see more solving from them instead of just vote hoping. I think I'm null there but I'm not sure I want to wagon them today.

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Perhaps

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I thought you were done with me

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I think you've mischaracterized what I've done this game and am happy to talk about what you think are issues

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I don't think this stubbornness comes from scum tbh

I recognize I've been hard to deal with but I'm pretty calm now you can take the olive branch if you want but it feels like you keep trying to break it because I can be annoying

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The fact you're so convinced I have a scum pr but also that rr might have tmi knowing passenger and I are both town is pretty telling.

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Oh my bad I missed the image

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Oh my bad I missed the image

Jesus regardless of my alignment it was clearly a mistake I'm on mobile and can barely see the images

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I think I'd rather do passenger than elements

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I think I'd rather do Titus than either lol

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It's hard for me to scumread elements if KJ is going to do the same thing they are doing to me to Elements

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Roller coaster

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I keep forgetting Wayward Son exists

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Is that really your big reveal on why I'm a scum PR

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You should probably take a second to think of possible reasons instead of padding your confirm biased argument with "THERE IS NO POSSIBLE REASON"

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Also holy crap modteam on getting those page tops nice work

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Like it's possible passenger and I are both town and don't know each other's alignments

Or passenger is scum and I'm right about it based on their low post count and lack of engagement with the game which explains why they didn't unvote HPE despite calling them null town

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I reread the game while completely tuning out all the KJ/STD/Flea noise and my life is all the better for it

This post is scummy because it's just calling out the noisemakers for making noise and what followed was just a crummy readslist. Passenger didn't even bother changing their vote.

It's a post that looks townie because it seems relatable but if it were townie it would have been followed up with analysis

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VOTE: std I'll even make it easier for you. Your move, kaiba

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I dunno I just feel like killing me is going to help the game get on track but I'm happy to switch back to passenger

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Being performative is fun tho

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VOTE: passenger

You know what I think I have a good point

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I'm exhausted, flea

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i honestly may have just forgotten the subtext of what i meant because i posted it like a week ago

if you're looking for gotchas you're more likely to find them in honest town than scum covering their tracks

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anyone curious what my role is

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vt

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{Titus, Wayward Son, Passenger, Actiondan, HPE}

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VOTE: STD

have fun guys! can't wait to point back to this game next time someone uses terrible arguments against me.