Legends of the Buisness Company [Staplers Take Over the World]

[Alisae]

I can't wait to be town in this video game

[Alisae]

not much
excited to play a town game

[Alisae]

I can't wait to show off my newest strategies!

[Alisae]

it will have a 100% Norwee Pocket Rate

[Alisae]

Pooky apparently the mod is telling you with the thread title that you smell
is this true?
I bet you smell great

[Alisae]

Norwee, ur supposed to ask me what this 100% pocketing strategy will look like.

[Alisae]

I can't believe he just donowalled me like that dayum

[Alisae]

Well I will lead with a blonde hair girl next time I require your attention maybe that will get you.

With that said, my newest, 100% guaranteed to work and pocket Norwee is to do contrary to my team name: stop posting
immediately

I'll be back when I have something to say.
Goodbye

[Alisae]

VOTE: gamma

[Alisae]

You seem to think I'm ?scum? when I wasn't trying to powerplay?

i think you're scum because you're openly trying to get t-bone to vote me via a manipulation tactic that is scummy af and i also found your mech analysis pretty lacking tho i was willing to ignore that because you said you wanted to chillax this game.

why do you have your panties in a knot over 1 singular vote
if anything villagers should be open to the idea of using their vote to apply pressure
it's not like the vote is going to make or break your wagon

I don't get the issue

[Alisae]

You seem to think I'm ?scum? when I wasn't trying to powerplay?

i think you're scum because you're openly trying to get t-bone to vote me via a manipulation tactic that is scummy af and i also found your mech analysis pretty lacking tho i was willing to ignore that because you said you wanted to chillax this game.

why do you have your panties in a knot over 1 singular vote
if anything villagers should be open to the idea of using their vote to apply pressure
it's not like the vote is going to make or break your wagon

I don't get the issue

really weird framing here

address the concern
VOTE: pooky
not rly interested in this PvP mindset bullshit of attacking back and my main concern is I don't see how what you are describing is wolf indicative at all

[Alisae]

You seem to think I'm ?scum? when I wasn't trying to powerplay?

i think you're scum because you're openly trying to get t-bone to vote me via a manipulation tactic that is scummy af and i also found your mech analysis pretty lacking tho i was willing to ignore that because you said you wanted to chillax this game.

why do you have your panties in a knot over 1 singular vote
if anything villagers should be open to the idea of using their vote to apply pressure
it's not like the vote is going to make or break your wagon

I don't get the issue

really weird framing here

address the concern
VOTE: pooky
not rly interested in this PvP mindset bullshit of attacking back and my main concern is I don't see how what you are describing is wolf indicative at all

mmmmmmmmmmhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

No actually
what's the point of responding like this
these are basically just nothing responses that if anything what you think of the post.
so like what's the point?

[Alisae]

You seem to think I'm ?scum? when I wasn't trying to powerplay?

i think you're scum because you're openly trying to get t-bone to vote me via a manipulation tactic that is scummy af and i also found your mech analysis pretty lacking tho i was willing to ignore that because you said you wanted to chillax this game.

why do you have your panties in a knot over 1 singular vote
if anything villagers should be open to the idea of using their vote to apply pressure
it's not like the vote is going to make or break your wagon

I don't get the issue

really weird framing here

address the concern
VOTE: pooky
not rly interested in this PvP mindset bullshit of attacking back and my main concern is I don't see how what you are describing is wolf indicative at all

mmmmmmmmmmhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

No actually
what's the point of responding like this
these are basically just nothing responses that if anything what you think of the post.
so like what's the point?

im laughing at your openwolfiness and telling you i know you're a wolf just wait your turn

Well if you don't give me any room to solve your slot and treat me like an enemy then really you give me no room to try to find the innocence in your slot

[Alisae]

Shea I just don't get the PvP mindset from the gecko or why he wouldn't respond and continue to try to pick a fight with me

[Alisae]

Shea I just don't get the PvP mindset from the gecko or why he wouldn't respond and continue to try to pick a fight with me

Sure but that doesn't absolve you of the responsibility of solving the slot and I find it kind of hard to believe that town!you would respond that way.

tbh I've had the read since earlier in the game but have had no reason to actually go out and like, push it. Earlier I thought that Pooky's posting earlier was just too much even for me so that made him a person of interest to me. Something I like to do when I am a wolf is I overly spampost and pooky's posting made me think of that.

I like to form reads based on what is happening in the game so I wanted to just sit back and watch for a bit.
TBH I wanted to sit back and watch more but idunno I just felt like pooky's posting was just getting worse and worse and at this given moment I don't see my vote changing unless cakez actually posts and does something more egregious. I'm realistically not voting T-bone so...

[Alisae]

You seem to think I'm ?scum? when I wasn't trying to powerplay?

i think you're scum because you're openly trying to get t-bone to vote me via a manipulation tactic that is scummy af and i also found your mech analysis pretty lacking tho i was willing to ignore that because you said you wanted to chillax this game.

why do you have your panties in a knot over 1 singular vote
if anything villagers should be open to the idea of using their vote to apply pressure
it's not like the vote is going to make or break your wagon

I don't get the issue

really weird framing here

address the concern
VOTE: pooky
not rly interested in this PvP mindset bullshit of attacking back and my main concern is I don't see how what you are describing is wolf indicative at all

mmmmmmmmmmhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

No actually
what's the point of responding like this
these are basically just nothing responses that if anything what you think of the post.
so like what's the point?

im laughing at your openwolfiness and telling you i know you're a wolf just wait your turn

Well if you don't give me any room to solve your slot and treat me like an enemy then really you give me no room to try to find the innocence in your slot

you literally said i have my panties in a knot and trying to claim im overreacting over 1 vote that didnt even happen

this is just scum narrative building

trying to frame it as you trying to "solve" my slot in good faith is a joke and absolutely hilarious

Ah...
Ok. I can see this line of thought coming from you as a villager and it's more helpful than just barking at me.

I would like to go back to my original concern though, I don't really get why your problem with shirou is a problem. Pressuring someone for not voting a suspect seems fine to me so like I don't see the problem?

[Alisae]

UNVOTE:

[Alisae]

ok i'll sheep you for now std i trust u
VOTE: cakez

[Alisae]

UNVOTE:

[Alisae]

if it's 7 to eliminate my vote is 6 and that makes me uncomfortable
didn't realize it was so close to hammer I wasn't keeping track of votes

[Alisae]

Alisae and Shea seem town as well as gamma. Shirou too. Makes me feel better about killing cakez for the memez

talk to me about gamma

[Alisae]

I just think there's no way gamma does this challenge as scum I think gamma believes in her cakez read

why do you think there is no way they do this challenge as a wolf

[Alisae]

I don't have a particular read on Gamma
I am just proceeding with caution
I'm sure it'll be an easier read later but I'm just trying to approach this as open mindedly as I can

[Alisae]

I think her entry to the game was incredibly lamist and awkward and didn't seem interested in doing anything to start the game play.

That was basically all it was at the time but I'm not loving the way you're interacting with pooky either.


@Alisae

I think I'm incredibly good at reading gamma and I think this is definitely town gamma and I'm not really interested in explaining further.

Ok I trust you

[Alisae]

It's pretty brazen for any scum to do and just doesn't seem like what I know of gammas scum game but I don't have a lot of sources so I could be wrong

I haven't actually played in a long ass time and coming into this game I thought Gamma became a more brazen, aggressive player just based on reading what they are getting banned for so idunno I thought maybe it could be a risk that scum!Gamma is willing to take but like I haven't been on site for awhile I wouldn't know any better so I'm happy to sheep my towncore on gamma!town if they really know what they're talking about, at least for right now.

[Alisae]

I think its more accurate to say gamma is an emotive player rather than an aggressive one, although those things do sometimes overlap.

Ya I expect this as well. This was actually the reason why I voted him cause I thought I might get some kind of response and not getting one kind of surprised me but it's not really worth talking about anymore.

Yeah you got a point and maybe I should be more wary but it's definitely not where I'm interested in going at this time.

Agreed and dw about it, I'll be wary so you don't have to

[Alisae]

it's mostly my towncore posting as well, what do you guys think of furtiveglance?

[Alisae]

Ah...
Ok. I can see this line of thought coming from you as a villager and it's more helpful than just barking at me.

I would like to go back to my original concern though, I don't really get why your problem with shirou is a problem. Pressuring someone for not voting a suspect seems fine to me so like I don't see the problem?

You understand that I have one of three options, not one of thirteen, right? I didn't say I suspect Pooky, I was walking through my thoughts on what I should do. If I had the choice around the time I made that post I wouldn't have been voting any of Cakez, Gamma, or Pooky. But that's not the reality we live in. I can either vote one of those three or decline to vote.

For me discussing the possibility openly with other players had value. In this case the value ended up being Shirou outting themselves. There's no reason anyone should have said I suspected Pooky because all I literally did was a quick process of elimination about how I might vote.

I'm re-reading. I don't really get the Shirou read. I don't really get where you feel like they implied that you're fosing them, and I also don't see how this is something that scum do? I think it makes sense for you to not be voting right now but I thought Shirou was kind of asking "why aren't you voting just to apply pressure there if you're shading them" so like I just don't get where this inference comes from.

[Alisae]

it's mostly my towncore posting as well, what do you guys think of furtiveglance?

I assume I am in this

Furative is hard for me to read but I agree with gamma that he seems like he did in temple 4 so far

Ya I think I concur I think his stances just make sense for a villager to have and it seems like he's doing his own thing.
I also thought like a random post about how I was townie that had no reason to happen is also probably townie but I mean I could be susceptible to that kind of thing. Even if I am I think I don't mind not being wary of it for now I can be wary of it later if we get to that point

[Alisae]

Buisness is conducting surveys. Fill out this poll or go to space jail.

Are you ready for fun?
Yes
No
MORE BUISNESS WORK!

NO

[Alisae]

I don't think I'll EVER be ready for fun.
Fun is in Kansas. We're not in Kansas anymore. We don't go there anymore.

[Alisae]

Me personally Freedom I am interested in seeing your world view

[Alisae]

if you don't have holmes as 1 and johnson as 7 you are out of your mind

[Alisae]

those are the 2 teams I trust the most so I am giving them money

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

i know! what a roller coaster

[Alisae]

Anyway I'm happy to put cakez out of his misery.
I have a challenge in mind I would like to make after this one

[Alisae]

We're probably going to challenge the same team

[Alisae]

I was probs going to challenge Freedom

[Alisae]

I think putting me, shirou, freedom, and pp up for elim makes for an interesting elimination pool

[Alisae]

if you don't have holmes as 1 and johnson as 7 you are out of your mind

You doesn't has to call us Johnson. You could call us "Ray".

No need to be insecure
If it were me I would wield that with confidence

[Alisae]

Johnson from the big lebowski

[Alisae]

ok im done

[Alisae]

because the pool of Shirou freedom PP are 3 slots that I think have a decent chance of flipping wolf

my reads are lookin like this atm

shea std furtive enchant
gamma
t-bone* pooky** Haschel

penguin cakez Norwee Shirou Freedom - I have 2 wolves in this pair. Probably 3 but 4 if Pooky is town
*I think it makes sense for him to be town. Though in the back of my mind I am aware it isn't impossible for a wolf to do what he's done so far
**it is very possible that I am getting fearmongered but like I think he is probably a townie?

[Alisae]

Please make me literally any argument why norwee is town.

I don't think anyone can argue you.
Me personally, I don't think he's done anything alignment indicative.
The Shirou read if anything, might be town indicative? But like that's something I think he would also do if he was a wolf with them so like????
When I think of Norwee's town play I think of someone who when a game is just starting might feel overwhelmed and only try to look at and follows the things he know he can do first.

Idunno like I don't have a read on the player right now so like, I have no reason to really talk you out of your read, but I'm not sure challenging them afterwards is the most productive thing we could for the game? I think that would be rash.

[Alisae]

Mostly to ali because I think they're playing around the norwee slot and my slots interaction with it in a way that really doesnt make much sense.

oh no i'm not that was just shitposting cuz he's my pal.

[Alisae]

Idunno like I don't have a read on the player right now so like, I have no reason to really talk you out of your read, but I'm not sure challenging them afterwards is the most productive thing we could for the game? I think that would be rash.

I should probably state that I don't think challenging norwee is rash, I think Shea challenging norwee is rash.

[Alisae]

Me personally shea I am a big fan of the wait and see approach when it comes to reading that player.
This is great because I get to focus on other things such as establishing a strong village core and going from there.

[Alisae]

if I were scum trying to say someone was my highest town read while they were turbo tunneled on my buddy a nebulous "theres two wolves in this random pile" is exactly where I would put them.

It's uh
not exactly random?
I townread everyone else above that line and they're separated for their own reasons.

the top is the strongest.
Gamma has his own spot because of you and STD
then the line below that is the weaker TRs.

then everyone else
not exactly random it's the pile of leftovers but I think it makes for a great place to start!

[Alisae]

Haschel town read doesn't make much sense either imo.

I think he's fine. I think he is doing his own thing. It's weaker but I expect it to get stronger as he plays his hand. I trust that with his questions he is thinking about the game.

[Alisae]

Why is me challenging norwee rash

I just don't like the idea of having to vote anyone in your team off. I think that limits the scope of what possible information can be gotten and it quickly becomes an icky situation if we don't want to vote norwee off for whatever reason.

[Alisae]

theres absolutely no way alisae can possibly think my scum game is sloppy drunk levels of lolcatting

Honestly it's more so I think your read on me is something I think you would believe if you were a villager so it is a weak townread.

You have fooled me by literally doing nothing, if you could fool me by doing literally nothing, you could fool me into believing whatever this is is your townplay

but no ur like a weak townread for now I have no interest in eliminating you right now or for a bit at least

This game actually seems really easy tbh :/

[Alisae]

if I were scum trying to say someone was my highest town read while they were turbo tunneled on my buddy a nebulous "theres two wolves in this random pile" is exactly where I would put them.

It's uh
not exactly random?
I townread everyone else above that line and they're separated for their own reasons.

the top is the strongest.
Gamma has his own spot because of you and STD
then the line below that is the weaker TRs.

then everyone else
not exactly random it's the pile of leftovers but I think it makes for a great place to start!

???
why do shea and fenrir cause me to be lower

Because it's not really my read it's kind of their read and I am just going baaaaaaaaaaaaaaah like a sheep

[Alisae]

because the pool of Shirou freedom PP are 3 slots that I think have a decent chance of flipping wolf

my reads are lookin like this atm

shea std furtive enchant
gamma
t-bone* pooky** Haschel

penguin cakez Norwee Shirou Freedom - I have 2 wolves in this pair. Probably 3 but 4 if Pooky is town
*I think it makes sense for him to be town. Though in the back of my mind I am aware it isn't impossible for a wolf to do what he's done so far
**it is very possible that I am getting fearmongered but like I think he is probably a townie?

I see.
Why is furtive so high in your reads?

Guy seems like a townie

[Alisae]

ngl the only person in the PoE I object to here rn is penguin

huh?

[Alisae]

Why is me challenging norwee rash

I just don't like the idea of having to vote anyone in your team off. I think that limits the scope of what possible information can be gotten and it quickly becomes an icky situation if we don't want to vote norwee off for whatever reason.

what???
I think what you're getting at is you'd rather another team challenge norwee if it's gonna happen but this is weirdly phrased

That would be more ideal ya.
I think it's phrased like that because like I feel like that challenge specifically forces me to elim Norwee regardless of if I like it or not. Even if he ends up towntelling, I would have to pick a different person in that challenge to want to vote to eliminate.

Like there's just no plan B it forces everyone to vote this player or not vote and that's kinda icky... Kinda like the situation a lot of other players are in right with with like cakez...

[Alisae]

FAKE READS

Can you explain?

there is no world in which

"penguin cakez Norwee Shirou Freedom - I have 2 wolves in this pair. Probably 3 but 4 if Pooky is town"

is a real thought that went through alisae's head

it is a real thought that went through my head.
You may be at shock that it happened, but it is in fact, what happened

[Alisae]

that's what I had on my notes you see

[Alisae]

tbh pooky it doesn't really have to do with ur alignment that was probably just
"if pooky isn't fooling me then I probably have all 4 wolves in my poe"

[Alisae]

Well if you don't like my solving process, it is what it is

[Alisae]

Why is me challenging norwee rash

I just don't like the idea of having to vote anyone in your team off. I think that limits the scope of what possible information can be gotten and it quickly becomes an icky situation if we don't want to vote norwee off for whatever reason.

what???
I think what you're getting at is you'd rather another team challenge norwee if it's gonna happen but this is weirdly phrased

That would be more ideal ya.
I think it's phrased like that because like I feel like that challenge specifically forces me to elim Norwee regardless of if I like it or not. Even if he ends up towntelling, I would have to pick a different person in that challenge to want to vote to eliminate.

Like there's just no plan B it forces everyone to vote this player or not vote and that's kinda icky... Kinda like the situation a lot of other players are in right with with like cakez...

Welcome to literally thats how this game works.

This is the kind of mindset that allows wolves to brute force these kind of challenges and create awkward and icky situations for town to be in that can generally end up leading to apathy and not caring for the game.

I think it would be best for the people who have awareness that their team is wolfy to be the ones to send out challenges.

[Alisae]

tbf, why not just put pooky past the line break but above the rest of the PoE slots
I think that gels more with a thought process of "if pooky is town then most of the scum are in this PoE"

because T-Bone and Pooky are the first slots I'm going to reconsider if there aren't scum in my poe pool.
idunno I just documented it that way in my notes cuz that's how it was best for me to understand it
/shrug

[Alisae]

letting wolfy players pick the challenges just means baddies get to pick and choose which LHF has enough support to go over and laser target the shit out of vulnerable townies

also scummy players getting more cash sounds like a bad idea

how do they get more cash?

I don't know anything about mechanics of this game other than like challenges

[Alisae]

man I'm trying to choose gladiate that are beneficial for everyone trying to form reads on the game. I know people think shirou is a wolf so I want to see who votes them out compared to another option.

If you want to just kill someone and put your ego over what's best for everyone else & the game then just miss me with that shit bro. Way to make the game about you and your reads. Very cool!

[Alisae]

"I dont know anything about the mechanics of this game but I'm going to theory craft about them anyway"

Alisae, are you just like hard open wolfing here?

I played in the last one without this money bullshit ok shut it

[Alisae]

There are three ways to earn currency in this game. (1) Issuing a challenge. The issuing challenge team will receive 250 after the challenge is completed. (2) All voters on an elimination regardless of flip will receive 100 as well. (3) Participating and winning in a mini game. Mini game prizes will be announced at the start of each event.

number 1 is the important part here

huh

[Alisae]

and how exactly do I deal with that?
by kowtowing and doing whatever your majesty shea says???

[Alisae]

I don't really care anymore then challenge who you please. Not worth getting angry and ruining my stress free mafia experience over.
I don't wanna learn the mechanics I just am here to find wolves.

I just here to play a stress free villager game and do it in the way that I wanna do it.
I am completely just uninterested in the mechanics of this game outside of challenge the person you wanna kill, and it's going to stay that way until I am either forced to learn them, the end of the game, or me being dead.

[Alisae]

I don't believe you didnt know about money, by the way. It's been referenced in every post by the mod, it was in the sign up thread, I asked a clarification question about it. You're a person who is frequently known for delving into mech and game theory.

I believe that was an attempt at a deliberate dumb tell.

I only understand that I want town to get money and not wolves

[Alisae]

how they get money?
beats

what I can get with that money
fuck idunno I'll get to that point when I get money if I get money. Do I want money? Nope.

I don't know how I can get you to believe me, but I think trying to make you believe me is a waste of time when I'm not doing it to make people think I'm town.

I just don't want to involve myself with the finer details. I just wanna look for wolves lol

[Alisae]

You're a person who is frequently known for delving into mech and game theory.

So are you saying I have to be interested in every game's mechanics?

I only joined cause Fire on discord was like "YOU WANNA PLAY SOME MAFIA" and I was like "eh the table looks good ig sure wynaut" in the hopes that I would rand villager and be able to sit back and puzzle solve. I don't think mechanics were fully explained in sign-ups, I only scanned the opening post and below that and I don't think I saw anything. If it wasn't on the first page of sign-ups I probably don't remember reading it.

I definitely didn't read it as soon as the game started and I still haven't read it now. It seems pretty overwhelming and I don't think it will help me figure out other people's alignments right now so I just haven't really need to bother.

Also my last game on here since I've been back was a wolf game and like playing that alignment is just so much energy and I have to familiarize myself with mechanics so I can have an edge it's just a lot I would rather just not bother with any of that until I absolutely have to and just focus on hunting wolves.

I'm not forced as a villager to familiarize myself with the mechanics of the game so I'm just not going to.

[Alisae]

I don't believe you didnt know about money, by the way. It's been referenced in every post by the mod, it was in the sign up thread, I asked a clarification question about it. You're a person who is frequently known for delving into mech and game theory.

I believe that was an attempt at a deliberate dumb tell.

I think you’re on the fucking money with this (pun intended)
viewtopic.php?p=12841102&user_select%5B ... #p12841102

I believe taking a game that at the time I wanted to play and a setup I understood decently well and using it against me vs unknown territory is an unfair comparison.

I just wanna play a chill game of mafia where I just look for wolves and see how good my puzzle solving skills hold up

[Alisae]

I know that me not reading mechanics might be a stunning idea to take in. It might clash with a lot of people's "ideals" of me in their heads. But I don't know how to express that I don't ultimately care about what ends up happening and even if I did care I don't think my caring matters.

Whatever happens happens and it is what it is.

I wanna puzzle solve and see if I can eventually get the right answers. That is actually just all I care about so I'm just treating the mechanics as if they just don't exist. I doubt it affects my hunting much anyways.

[Alisae]

all I know is that in the current moment I am not having a good time.

[Alisae]

Cool post Shea not gonna read it awesome

[Alisae]

Shea have u considered that maybe ur the problem?

[Alisae]

i really want to open wolf now

death to the town go staplers or whatever the mafia are called

I’ll help you!!!
VOTE: cakez

[Alisae]

Shea have u considered that maybe ur the problem?

Yeah you're right Alisae, I'm the reason that people aren't playing to their wincons. Good point. Excellent analysis.

Do you have any comment on the game to add or are you just going to post nonsense like this some more?

If I can find people doin townie things then u can too it’s not THAT hard.
My suggestion to u to be to suspect people for things wolves actually do? Not whatever this is.
Idunno I just see ur fos and think ur off the mark when it comes to all of them

[Alisae]

Do you want to try defending your mech argument (when you don't care about mech at all this game! no idea how money even works!) for why we should let scummy players determine who the lim pools are again? Or would that be asking you to kow tow too much.

why is garbage worth defending again?

[Alisae]

So are you saying you were wrong?

Sure

[Alisae]

I do not see any reason why my reads would have changed within the past few pages

[Alisae]

shea std furtive enchant
gamma
t-bone* pooky** Haschel

penguin cakez Norwee Shirou Freedom

[Alisae]

ah the why

[Alisae]

everyone on the top all seems natural
and the rest is just leftovers.

[Alisae]

like I don't particularly have a strong case for thinking anyone is a wolf I am just looking for people who I think are town and going from there

[Alisae]

i think alisae's gameplay has made sense so far

just let me know if you make a breakthrough with a Norwee read that'da be huuuuuuuuuuge

[Alisae]

shea who r ur townreads

[Alisae]

Norwee can u be super town now

[Alisae]

I trying.

be more transparent
maybe your worldview would be really helpful

[Alisae]

you should keep the coaching session in the scum pt

u have been nothing but antagonistic this whole game

[Alisae]

you should keep the coaching session in the scum pt

u have been nothing but antagonistic this whole game

the first thing i said to you was "sup qt"

and the first thing you said to me was "lol why are your panties in a bunch"

in case you forgot how we got here.

I did forgot how we got here

[Alisae]

I genuinely hate mafia it genuinely brings out the worst in me :/

[Alisae]

AND I'M NOT EVEN A WOLF
it's just so easy to get heated man I don't like that stuff and I don't like heckin freaking out over pressure and being attacked man :/

[Alisae]

I think pooky is town. I agree with most of what he's said about you and shirou and norwee. If theres a crack there its that I have a bias towards town reading people who agree with me, so I need to be mindful of that and try to account for it, which I think I am doing.

How can you be so sure? I don't think I have a confident way in reading Pooky and I think of him as someone who is actually just capable of anything. Someone like LLD.
I only have 1 thing to go off of and it's pretty heckin weak.

That 1 thing being I thought his point with like scum framing was something that I would realistically do, and I think that made sense for him to have that read, but like he could still be a wolf pushing that read too?
Ideally this is the player that would just get nightkilled. There are people that are WARY of this player and those are the people that are in the elimination pool.

I think the key to finding the truth in this situation is just patience and being able to take the risk of flipping someone.

Anyway please do your best to be open minded and mindful that you can be wrong. This comes to anyone really.
I think if Pooky is playing to an audience, that audience is you.

[Alisae]

UNVOTE:

[Alisae]

I thought haschel was town, based off of the conversations we had at the beginning of the game in our PT but he's fallen off more towards null to me because he's not giving me a ton in the PT and hes giving nothing here.

Now this is interesting, i just said to STD that Haschel has been posting nothing in this game so i assumed he was just doing it in your PT, but they're not even active there?

If you have problems with haschel I would like to hear them. Is it just a case of doing nothing?

I've played with Haschel and I have a weak TR based on an ideal that I have of him acting in my head matching up with what I think is reality.

[Alisae]

that's not from the first five pages

i fucking knew someone was going to say this and i don't care

based

[Alisae]

Norwee you have a read on STD?

[Alisae]

I thought haschel was town, based off of the conversations we had at the beginning of the game in our PT but he's fallen off more towards null to me because he's not giving me a ton in the PT and hes giving nothing here.

Now this is interesting, i just said to STD that Haschel has been posting nothing in this game so i assumed he was just doing it in your PT, but they're not even active there?

If you have problems with haschel I would like to hear them. Is it just a case of doing nothing?

I've played with Haschel and I have a weak TR based on an ideal that I have of him acting in my head matching up with what I think is reality.

Well i've neve played with them so i'm just basing this on their lack of activity and solving. You townread them for that?

I think his questions are calculated, mostly because it fits my current impression of what I've seen from him. Thinking about the game even if he may not be showing it, asking questions towards specific people with calculated intend, and holding off on playing his hand until he is ready to play it. He's obviously not doing much of anything now and that is blatantly obvious. He made a long string of posts about how not to refer to his team as johnson and as quite literally anything else over not playing.

So like I'm just gonna let him do his thing.

[Alisae]

Are people unaware of the context of the johnson thing?

Ya

I don't really care about the reference I just think that the guy is posting with intent

[Alisae]

Fun fact I may have found Raymond J. Johnson on YouTube

I do not understand your PP read can u please elaborate on that please ty

[Alisae]

I am so happy to not want to kill cakez lmfao

[Alisae]

Fun fact I may have found Raymond J. Johnson on YouTube

I do not understand your PP read can u please elaborate on that please ty

heh pp.

(also peepee could definitely be scum)

I have literally been given no reason for why he should not be in my poe and it's getting -narrow-

[Alisae]

Fun fact I may have found Raymond J. Johnson on YouTube

I do not understand your PP read can u please elaborate on that please ty

It’s just a meta vibe tbh
He feels like he did in Terminator

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE I NEED MORE THAN THIS
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
OPdfhsdl[pyhpo[sfuyh jg
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[Alisae]

Also like why bring that up now

I think ur the only one here who is like advocating for a slot I can literally find 0 innocence in.

[Alisae]

I like this new cakez content bro

[Alisae]

oh cakez didn't town it up with his catchup so we can lim him

What about Pooky

[Alisae]

I wanna believe TSQ, Enchant, Shirou, StD, Cakez, Gamma, Alisae are town. Some stronger than others but that's mostly where i'm at.

I think you have 1 wrong maybe

[Alisae]

no i don't think it's pooky i'm probably not going to vote there so it's gotta be one of cakez or t-bone

yes im probably a sucker but i don't think drunk pooky comes in with that conviction of killing shirou among other things

I think it's possible
that guy can do anything

[Alisae]

i dunno it seemed like he really believed it and wasn't just faking it

LOL

[Alisae]

Pooky - STD are wolves

[Alisae]

VOTE: Pooky

[Alisae]

Pooky - STD are wolves

because the pool of Shirou freedom PP are 3 slots that I think have a decent chance of flipping wolf

my reads are lookin like this atm

shea std furtive enchant
gamma
t-bone* pooky** Haschel

penguin cakez Norwee Shirou Freedom - I have 2 wolves in this pair. Probably 3 but 4 if Pooky is town
*I think it makes sense for him to be town. Though in the back of my mind I am aware it isn't impossible for a wolf to do what he's done so far
**it is very possible that I am getting fearmongered but like I think he is probably a townie?

I thought you couldnt think of anything that would have caused your reads to change.

Seems awfully convenient.

Norwee and Cakez are townier. If anything Cakez comin in guns blazing with takes against the grain makes me re-evaluate and reconsider my own takes and I'll admit, STD is a read I am more likely to be wrong on compared to someone the other 3 in the townbloc. I think my annoyance with you comes from you being a villager and you believing the things you believe in, and my furtive and enchant reads I think are solid.

Norwee I think is starting to village post so Shirou also goes up.

I think haschel is still likely to be town and gamma is probably town by their own play now as I'm starting to see that

this leaves me at what
this

furtive enchant shea gamma cakez
Norwee Shirou haschel

T-Bone

Pooky
penguin freedom std

And Pooky - STD is an arrangement that makes sense to me so

[Alisae]

you guys have absolutely no idea what my scum game is do you

no

[Alisae]

Anyone else find it wild Ali was beefing with Pooky in the pooky v. shirou situation but Shirou is in eir scumpool whilst Pooky isn’t?

I had a weak TR on Pooky because I thought his point about me building up narrative for like a case could come from his perspective.
It made sense at the time

[Alisae]

I don't believe you didnt know about money, by the way. It's been referenced in every post by the mod, it was in the sign up thread, I asked a clarification question about it. You're a person who is frequently known for delving into mech and game theory.

I believe that was an attempt at a deliberate dumb tell.

does anyone even do dumbtells as scum? i have never ONCE seen scum dumbtell it's always just town who were actually dumb

Actual scum dumbtell might be more common than fake ones but I think both are possible
And like, Ali was proposing a strategy that would give scummy players more control

especially

given the mechanics of the game, and when called out on it eir reaction was being pissed at being suspected for putting out an actively bad idea
Feel like town would at least try to process the ramifications of their suggestion, even if they didn’t want to give it up completely

man I obviously didn't know what I was talking about fuck off

[Alisae]

in a game like this as a wolf I would know exactly what to do cause as a wolf I have to familiarize myself with that shit
I don't wanna do that shit man it was just a bad idea from someone who didn't know any better fuck

[Alisae]

guess in mafia people love to hold you to your worst moments and use that over everything else jesus

[Alisae]

Something I noted earlier about Ali is generally when I disagree with someone about literally everything I tend to try to evaluate whether or not this is coming from a difference in motivation, and I've seen literally none of that thought process
from Ali as it relates to my slot. I just keep floating around the town reads with no reasoning as to why and no attempt to understand my motivation.

So either Ali just thinks I'm stupid (possible) and doesn't think I'm capable of being this aggressively wrong as scum from eir pov, or Ali's read on me is just completely not genuine.

I townread you because your play just screams villager bro.
it's honest and you wanna be right.
It's annoying because I think you've been extremely aggressive (I'm not great at responding to that kind of stuff I lost my cool last night) and I while I know you're wrong on me, I think you could be wrong on other slots too which is lookin like it could be true. Norwee I think seems townier and Cakez seems townier now.

I still think your town so like
idunno

I'm lost I'm going back and forth right now honestly I don't rly know what to believe other than who I think is town at the current moment /shrug

[Alisae]

in a game like this as a wolf I would know exactly what to do cause as a wolf I have to familiarize myself with that shit
I don't wanna do that shit man it was just a bad idea from someone who didn't know any better fuck

Okay but like, the belligerent response is what bothers me
And you’re still kinda doing it

That is how I respond when I feel like I am being attacked.
I resort to hostility.
I'm not proud of it.

[Alisae]

Yes I think you are honest, you want to be right, and you have wrong answers that is in fact what i said

[Alisae]

I'm very wishy washy right now because I don't exactly have information to go off of and mafia is a very hard game with a lot of crazy shit that can happen

[Alisae]

I think on the page where it was like lmao it's pooky and std I think everything they were spewing was just fucking weak

no way he can drunk post like that as a villager?
why does scum pick a fight they can't win?

really???
I just wanted to instantly kill it as soon as I saw it

[Alisae]

Can you explain again how we got from STD is your second highest town read to making the declarative statement STD is a wolf in the space of an hour? I understand reads shifting but thats pretty drastic. What was the thought process behind std second highest town to begin with, and what exactly about the possibility of an STD-Pooky pairing made you disregard that reasoning?

I vibe with him...
I still kinda wanna vibe with him...
I'm super conflicted about it...

[Alisae]

std's posts are just a vibe idunno how to explain it but like

I'm conflicted cause I still wanna go with that vibe cuz like I think his play makes sense to come from a villager but like pooky read screams alarm bells but like I have no idea what he's doing now and like

MAN IDUNNO ok I just think if there's a point that I need to re-evaluate it could probably be STD cause like

Furtive I like because I feel like the post about me was fucking unprompted and I don't see why a wolf just randomly decides to talk about user Alisae and his big brained take on a wolf team made sense to come from a villager at the time
Enchant I think is just solidly townie and I heard he doesn't have a wolf game so like he can just do what he wants for a bit.

These 2 reads are obviously stronger than "just vibes"

Gamma seems like is townie from her own play and I'm starting to see that now
Haschel I'm happy to give more time with the wait and see approach
T-bone I don't think has changed much I still think he's probably town

Norwee seems townier and I'll trust Norwee on Shirou

[Alisae]

in a game like this as a wolf I would know exactly what to do cause as a wolf I have to familiarize myself with that shit
I don't wanna do that shit man it was just a bad idea from someone who didn't know any better fuck

Okay but like, the belligerent response is what bothers me
And you’re still kinda doing it

That is how I respond when I feel like I am being attacked.
I resort to hostility.
I'm not proud of it.

Just have fun
Like, honestly the thing I’ve realized lately is taking things too seriously when you’re in a slump is just a downward spiral

Mafia gets heated very easily oki its hard but I tryna have fun and it's a villager game I'm excited to play villager it's been so so long since I played villager in a mafia game ok I wanna play it >_<

[Alisae]

I think what people may not see in Pooky going against Shirou is that in this current gamestate Shirou has the tactical high ground as he’s not a part of the current challenge. So going after that carries the possibility of drawing votes onto you that you can’t really subvert

It was working at the time

[Alisae]

I think with Pooky's play he's just trying to start as much drama as possible and keep it going I think game would be more fun without him

[Alisae]

I think with Pooky's play he's just trying to start as much drama as possible and keep it going I think game would be more fun without him

I should clarify that I think him trying to start as much drama as possible has wolf intent

[Alisae]

i think i am getting towards the point where i need a body

[Alisae]

did he
i don't recall but I remember that post shirou made about me not power playing and I liked that one and I liked that cakez pointed it out
but like idunno maybe ur right and I don't have a reason to take him out it's worth dwelling on more

maybe std is the push that scum need to get some ground in this game

regardless I definitely like Norwee

[Alisae]

Mafia is heckin hard bro
I think the best thing to do actually is to go back to not posting

[Alisae]

I realize this will just make my position worse like every single time ever. But it’s really annoying how i try to get a footing and everyone susses me. Makes me empathic for Cakez. Like what has he done, nothing. But Gamma just thunderdomed them. I also hate the vibes Pooky and to an extent Shirou has created in this game. I’ll be honest, i didn’t really townread Shirou. I just think one of them must be scum and i’d much rather believe it’s Pooky.

VOTE: Pooky

One of them…
Hmm…

[Alisae]

UNVOTE:

[Alisae]

alisae lying thru alisaes teeth st this point

If ur a villager Idunno how ur struggling to read me at all it’s super perplexing but maybe u don’t get how I’m struggling to read u Idunno

[Alisae]

Pooky u seem super manipulative like I think ur making this really hard :/

[Alisae]

If me and norwee are town who are wolves Pooky

[Alisae]

It's not about who started the drama it's more about ur over the top reaction imo.

am i supposed to not react when someone does somethjng scummy

That wasn't really the point. You can react but why do it the way you did. Just seemed like you wanted to milk the outrage as much as possible which i don't see town motive in.

If anything it riles me up and maybe even u

[Alisae]

Idunno I’m lost
I want to see Pooky point out people who could be wolves that isn’t me and norwee cuz those are the bad reads.

[Alisae]

i have literally never misread alisae as far as i remember. i might have forgotten

alisae can correct me if this is wrong

U misread me when I am town I think it’s been awhile I think in a normal you might have misread me as a wolf when I was town

[Alisae]

i have literally never misread alisae as far as i remember. i might have forgotten

alisae can correct me if this is wrong

U misread me when I am town I think it’s been awhile I think in a normal you might have misread me as a wolf when I was town

cite the game

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=86100

[Alisae]

I want to eliminate PP

[Alisae]

I will be in the titus obvtown waiting room

[Alisae]

Reads

Towncore: TSQ, StD, Tbone, Pooky, Gamma, Shirou
Middling: Alisae, SirCakez
Absent: Haschel, Enchant, PP
Scummy: furtiveglance NorwegianboyEE

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Alisae]

T-Bone what do your reads look like

[Alisae]

Hi Cakez!
Can you elaborate on both Freedom and Furtive?

[Alisae]

T-Bone what do your reads look like

Hi Cakez!
Can you elaborate on both Freedom and Furtive?

Actually now you're strangely mirroring Shea what's happening????

tbh I'm mostly trying to consider other viewpoints and figure out just what's going on. I feel kinda lost right now

[Alisae]

I might not have any follow up but like
I'm thinkin about it
I might not be showing you that I'm thinking about it but like
I am

If you want me to ask you a question I would ask how you have null interactions with me but like I feel like that's kind of a stupid question?
I don't think elaborating on Haschel is productive right now

[Alisae]

with me shea and the other player you mentioned

[Alisae]

I think I'm getting to understand now.

pedit: Ya I wanna hear about this

[Alisae]

I play Mafia like Schrodinger, a player isn't in the game until I notice them.

yaya ok I understand now ya honestly I'm like that too that's a pretty eloquent way of putting it.

That seems like a pretty natural way of going about what you're doing at least.

[Alisae]

Pookers you don't like Furtive either?

[Alisae]

Mostly for your progression on Alisae who I townread

elaborate

[Alisae]

We want to give off the illusion that we care about dead player's reads
duh

[Alisae]

kek

[Alisae]

Hi Cakez!
Can you elaborate on both Freedom and Furtive?

like i don't know
I have this TvS vibe from their fight and I find both to be scummy but I don't feel both are scum
Idkkkkk

Pick 1

[Alisae]

Elaborate on what makes both scummy
That is the same as a nothing answer tbh

[Alisae]

furtive in the last pages is interesting

Paint the picture for me

[Alisae]

T-Bone what do your reads look like

Hi Cakez!
Can you elaborate on both Freedom and Furtive?

Actually now you're strangely mirroring Shea what's happening????

tbh I'm mostly trying to consider other viewpoints and figure out just what's going on. I feel kinda lost right now

I can't really recall you being very lost in games before. Any reason why you're that way here?

what do you think

[Alisae]

Why did I win wtf?????

[Alisae]

I put my team in the middle but no way to verify
Weirdge
Anyway ig I have to familiarize myself with what 500$s gets me

[Alisae]

I put Johnson’s last and t-bones team at first
I didn’t want to give shirou money wanted to give it to cakez t-bone shea and haschel

[Alisae]

I’ll post my exact list when I get home it’s no ez to post on mobile

[Alisae]

Furtive u donowalled me when I asked u to elaborate on a topic

[Alisae]

I put my team in the middle but no way to verify
Weirdge
Anyway ig I have to familiarize myself with what 500$s gets me

what

You thought your own team was the middling amount of town and averagely deserving of cash

Is this a joke or

Can you explain what this business vote meant to you if not a ranking of the teams

I put Johnson’s last and t-bones team at first
I didn’t want to give shirou money wanted to give it to cakez t-bone shea and haschel

You didn't want to give yourself money? I'm detecting cap

Yes
I want nothing to do with it.

[Alisae]

What is cap about it?
I don’t want anything to do with the mechanic?

[Alisae]

Furtive u donowalled me when I asked u to elaborate on a topic

twitch-speak ew

I remember thinking you even wanting to know was weird

So like are you gonna elaborate or no

[Alisae]

Also why would I want to give money to someone I’m skeptical of?

[Alisae]

Furtive team or penguins team

[Alisae]

Bro u are open wolfing right now lmfao
U have been openwolfing since Titus repped in

[Alisae]

Every player, playing to wincon, wants money by definition, because it basically gives you PR-adjacent things

I have no interest in this game's mechanics and I've literally said so and shea even fos' me for this. I don't want it and I'm wary of my partner's alignment so I would rather find 2 village pairs and give them both money over the 1 wolf?

No. If it's about my vote on Pooky I explained it.

It's not I want to know about your progression on my slot.
Like please elaborate how the fuck you got from me town when I was a literal ghost and from the START OF THE GAME to whatever this is?

Bro u are open wolfing right now lmfao
U have been openwolfing since Titus repped in

There's no way you're town. Progression on Pooky is hysterical, you went from pushing him to hiding behind him

I will stake all of my Scummies awards on Alisae and Titus being 2 Mafia

If anything it seemed like you just decided to flip your read...well...now which has me with question marks

Are you talking about your hood partner Shirou?

Yes... How is that so unclear?

[Alisae]

1 Team Not Cheaters
2 Single Braincell
3 Holmes under the hammer
4 Hyperpost
5 board of mis-directors
6 Wolfpack
7 Johnson

[Alisae]

Furtive team or penguins team

I'm guessing this is to resolve furtive vs. freedom?

I townread Titus. I think her reads are villager indicative.

Having Shirou and Pooky as town seems like something that is probably coming from town.


Furtive has just been openwolfing since Titus has replaced in. His posting in regards to Titus since she came in has literally no substance, is just lazy, and most likely comes from a wolf

[Alisae]

I don't know why I'm surprised at Titus being scummy when Freedom already made it obvious

What has titus done thats scummy?

VOTE: Cakez
I asked Penguin and yeah, it's weird for Cakez to not make an effort to contribute.

This is hiding disguised as collboration

Making me think Freedom/Cakez S/T so I'd like to wait for Cakez' reappearance

If Cakes is town, furtiveglance moves down.

This

could you unpack why

I already think Cakez is town. So Titus wants to kill Cakez and then say 'wow furtive scummy now'

I feel like there has to be scum in freedom/furtive

looks at Freedom

They got replaced by Titus, who just voted you (to save Pooky)

All of this just looks like wolfposting to me.
Straight up.

[Alisae]

Like please elaborate how the fuck you got from me town when I was a literal ghost and from the START OF THE GAME to whatever this is?

Quoting my favourite bit

I was blind, but now I see(d)
You took my side, so I agreed
Pooky was right all along
Now we sing this business song

This answer is UNACCEPTABLE and is dodging the question.
The earlier townread and your townread on me must have came from SOMEWHERE.
Only recently did you decide to flip the script and not only that, you left me hanging when I asked you to explain your progression on my slot.

[Alisae]

Furtive team or penguins team

I'm guessing this is to resolve furtive vs. freedom?

I townread Titus. I think her reads are villager indicative.

Having Shirou and Pooky as town seems like something that is probably coming from town.


Furtive has just been openwolfing since Titus has replaced in. His posting in regards to Titus since she came in has literally no substance, is just lazy, and most likely comes from a wolf

why penguin's team then?

Penguin is a free wolf elimination

[Alisae]

to many townies are townie to me so like PP is left over and has to be a wolf from my pov.

If anything I am really having trouble finding a 3rd and 4th wolf suspect.

[Alisae]

I don't know why I'm surprised at Titus being scummy when Freedom already made it obvious

What has titus done thats scummy?

VOTE: Cakez
I asked Penguin and yeah, it's weird for Cakez to not make an effort to contribute.

This is hiding disguised as collboration

Making me think Freedom/Cakez S/T so I'd like to wait for Cakez' reappearance

If Cakes is town, furtiveglance moves down.

This

could you unpack why

I already think Cakez is town. So Titus wants to kill Cakez and then say 'wow furtive scummy now'

I feel like there has to be scum in freedom/furtive

looks at Freedom

They got replaced by Titus, who just voted you (to save Pooky)

All of this just looks like wolfposting to me.
Straight up.

Okay. So this looks like wolfposting to you. What about it is wolfposting?

I believe it is an unnatural reaction to titus and I believe furtive is just trying to continue to slam wolf!titus down people's throats because it goes along with the consensus of people wolfreading Freedom.

I strongly believe that Titus is a slot that wolves would jump to like dogs to a bone and Furtive has continued to shove that in my face where as Titus I don't think is done anything wolf indicative.

I am more confident in my ability to read Titus than Freedom so Titus' posts hold more weight to me than Freedom's does. Additionally I think Freedom wanted to swap to me to vote me off. Now Furtive wants my dead body as well.
Idunno bro you tell me

[Alisae]

Well maybe not specifically in my face but he has tried to keep titus in the elimination pool and it's in an aggressive/unnatural way that tries to disregard and discredit titus' actions. I'm not a fan and I think it comes from a wolf.

[Alisae]

I read your early enthusiasm as towny, but reading back TSQ correctly characterised it as LAMIST.

This is a point a wolf makes to try to attack me. I think this because I think furtive is looking for all of the ammo he can get his hands on and calling me LAMIST is just an easy pot shot to make that does not make any attempt to actually solve my alignment. Anyone who is familiar with me shouldn't be buying this.

Even if I was a wolf for being lamist, said lamist attempts should be look unnatural, and if anything my play has demonstrated in this game, it's that it is natural.

I think the phrasing is likely to come from a wolf but this point is probably just NAI.

reading your conversation with Pooky when you start reacting to me in the same way as him and basically start RPing Pooky

Literally how?
I just wanted to know the progression of your read one me to help me follow the conversation better but ig we like to make assumptions?

Let me link it - 1407 through 1485 in your ISO is all wrong and completely incongruent/inconsistent with prior stated reads on me and Pooky.

This is actually town indicative for me but you are also blatantly removing context from this, which is that I felt like I was lost. If I feel like I am lost, what I am going to say afterwards is going to be incongruent and inconsistent with prior stated reads. In fact, as town what I present may not be in reality what I actually think unless I have openly played my hand. Because of prior events which made me feel lost, I decided to keep my hand to myself and poke with occasionally questions without giving out any of my own actual opinions or thoughts.

If anything, my wolf game will almost always be way more consistent then my villager game. People who have played with me could probably verify this.


Bro you are literally just try to dig up points you can use against me for ammo. That is not scumhunting.

[Alisae]

Well maybe not specifically in my face but he has tried to keep titus in the elimination pool and it's in an aggressive/unnatural way that tries to disregard and discredit titus' actions. I'm not a fan and I think it comes from a wolf.

That's weak. Maybe it's something, but I'm skeptical that it's something that merits knocking a player from the top of your townlist to one of the two players you most want out.

To me it's strong because I think that's what scum do. I do not think wolves would like to give a replace in that they are trying to eliminate room to breathe and I feel like Furtive's play is indicative of that.

[Alisae]

Well maybe not specifically in my face but he has tried to keep titus in the elimination pool and it's in an aggressive/unnatural way that tries to disregard and discredit titus' actions. I'm not a fan and I think it comes from a wolf.

viewtopic.php?t=90333&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

vrej

just vrej

(Nothing towny here)

There is nothing wolf indicative in there either. In fact, if I was someone who did not know how to read Titus, I would probably go as far as to say it's not alignment indicative. However as I do know Titus, I think I can follow how she reached those conclusions. I may not know why she has them, and the why isn't as important to me as the what, but I can at least follow how I think she got them, so I am happy to townbin her for the time being. If she's a wolf, she will make movements that are unnatural and forced and I will be able to identify them.

If anything, I would expect a wolf who is aligned with shirou or pooky to have 1 of those 2 in their townreads and the other as a fos but she has them BOTH as town. This does not scream wolf to me.

[Alisae]

If anything, my wolf game will almost always be way more consistent then my villager game. People who have played with me could probably verify this

Another selective quote because context is for historians

My scumgame is townier than my towngame so because you scumread me I'm town gg

You're also throwing out non-arguments like this.

If anything I fail to see a point you have come up with on why I am a wolf that does not have depth or nuances. It all seems extremely shallow and weak, like you are scrambling to find whatever ammo you can against me and try to see if it works.

[Alisae]

Anyway I really fail to see why any of Furtive attacking me for not wanting to give myself money comes from town?
Like, I could imagine that might being perplexing but to imply that it's wolf indicative is just wild.

[Alisae]

Anyway I really fail to see why any of Furtive attacking me for not wanting to give myself money comes from town?
Like, I could imagine that might being perplexing but to imply that it's wolf indicative is just wild.

I think this is my most basic and least arguable point. Money = power in this game, if you refuse it you're 'effectively' playing against wincon

Then you are welcome to take it up with the list mods!
I have been unfamiliar with how the money works and how to get it since the start of the game and I don't really have any interested in learning. I am not at all forced to learn how the game works, and in fact, I would like to go out of my way to ensure that I don't have to learn.

[Alisae]

Any Furtive you tell me
am I telling the truth or am I lying?

[Alisae]

My preference, not that we can enforce it...is to make Shirou spend coins first before Alisae does.

This is in fact why I have not got a change.
Also because right now I wouldn't know which team I would change to.
Like I know I would want to put 1 of Furtive or PP up, but which one ya know?

[Alisae]

I think Shirou also said himself he wanted a change so he should want to use it over me

[Alisae]

i ofc would like to keep my swap in the event that I have to veto whatever shirou changed it to

[Alisae]

OR we could put both Furtive and Titus up for funsies
or even Furtive and PP! I could maybe even have my cake and eat it too!

[Alisae]

what is your plan in the case you're fine with what shirou puts up?

aside from a swap I don't really know my options aside from another swap or do nothing

[Alisae]

Alisae do you still think pooky is scum? Like relative to furtive and PP?

Idunno I'm completely lost there.
Gun to head he's town but like I think you know how wishy washy and impulsive I am and have been so....
idunno man slot is a fucking headache to solve with 0 flips. I actually just want to shelf it hearing myself talk to out loud cause like I am not going to come up with an accurate read on this player right now I just don't think it's possibe.

[Alisae]

OR we could put both Furtive and Titus up for funsies
or even Furtive and PP! I could maybe even have my cake and eat it too!

that seems functional

eeeeeeeeeeeeeh
thinking it through I feel like that is probably a waste?
I like the idea of holding 500 in the event we want to pivot and just flip a player like PP.

I actually want to see a town!PP flip because that tells me that I actually have no idea what's going. That would mean my solves earlier were all just super wrong. Like I would have to find ONE more wolf in active players because it's not the AFK player like HOLY SHIT I AM GETTING OWNED.

[Alisae]

Maybe I should reconsider my Norwee read and he is just pocketing me decently well... That's an option too.

[Alisae]

Or we can not yolochallenges.

this is always written by a villlager btw.
Like we were all clear that the guy is a villager but if we weren't

this gets posted by a wolf like what, literally never? And Def not a Wolf!Enchant

[Alisae]

enchant is to notmafia as malcolm is to ozzy
seems like the same archetype but actually a bit more strategic

not_mafia is a strategic mafia player guy is crazy

[Alisae]

Somebody talked about using the message function to force people to burn through their money but I can't remember who or where and searching is not helping. Does anybody else remember?

No idea but whoever that person is let me know and they're going into the townbin

[Alisae]

Or we can not yolochallenges.

this is always written by a villlager btw.
Like we were all clear that the guy is a villager but if we weren't

this gets posted by a wolf like what, literally never? And Def not a Wolf!Enchant

This is specific to Enchant, referencing that Enchant likes to yolohammer. I think Enchant would post this no matter what tbh the take away here is the self awareness

I disagree. I don't feel like I ever see the idea of not immediately firing challenges come from a wolf. I don't see why wolves protest that unless they're using it for offense. If the game is controlled by scum I'm sure they're happy with whatever quickfire challenges people go with. It's not like it's something that can be controlled unless you're a wolf who is just shooting off challenges and are able to gaslight everyone into thinking that it's the village that's just yeeting challenges. At least that's how this type of game was approached when I was wolf with reck and ut.

[Alisae]

Somebody talked about using the message function to force people to burn through their money but I can't remember who or where and searching is not helping. Does anybody else remember?

No idea but whoever that person is let me know and they're going into the townbin

Gamma I think

into the townbin and never leaving if this is something we actually end up enforcing

[Alisae]

shirou is v/la till the 24th
doubt he will come in and do a swap till then or after website upgrades.

ig we are waiting some more then?