Election! | GAME OVER

[UNOwen]

Unfortunate that our Treasurer gone astray. Presumably all our tax money is currently being spent at a casino somewhere.

[UNOwen]

This is pretty clearly a scum contribution, my man has nothing to say about the game.

Disagree that post is clearly a statement about the game.

[UNOwen]

I know we’ve had a crummy run - but today is the day it turns around! I’m sure of it...

Declare: Treasurer

Someone I trust needs to look at the budget.

[UNOwen]

And why should that person be you over say, me.

You aren’t trustworthy.

[UNOwen]

Yes, that is the answer. We’re getting rolled here.

Why does last night make you obvtown?

[UNOwen]

I agree it’s very extremely likely that GuiltyLion is town.

I want to check in case you and he are clowning me together, because a budget sabotage being pulled at this stage when it clearly implicates Alisae is convenient.

[UNOwen]

Yeah but I wanted to check in for the precise same reason lmfao

There might not BE a tomorrow, so I can't just "check treasurer tomorrow" so I wanted to confirm all my theories, see the results with my own eyes and be like "aight GL town, LLD town, let's move from that base".

I also still may or may not have a tracker result oooh spoooky

That makes sense from your perspective. From mine if GL is scum pulling a creative set up then so are you, so it's not helpful for me to have you verifying his story.

[UNOwen]

No

[UNOwen]

Glad to have your wholehearted support Bingle!

Declare: mayor

What drives these political ambitions?

[UNOwen]

If Ali's town however, with Sheep town too, getting a GREEN check on ALI from Sheep almost ALWAYS clears them BOTH. I can't see scumsheep giving me "alisae, Green" in anyworld, can you?

Why would scum sheep scum Alisae world not be possible?

[UNOwen]

You don't say

[UNOwen]

because Sheep is dead... and green flipped.

This is a post humous exploration of choices made last night. Scum would know Sheep is town from their PoV so... why would I explore that world here?

What are you even asking me?

How would it clear them both if sheep turned up today claiming that Alisae was town? He wasn't trusted and was a contender for Ali partner.

[UNOwen]

Interestingly enough I was thinking that kdowns is probably scum in all circumstances too.

[UNOwen]

This player has been making really bad posts for day phases now

What posts are you talking about?

[UNOwen]

What does that actually mean to you though?

[UNOwen]

Because really bad posts =/= lackluster content

[UNOwen]

hmmm. Scum are running the bank? I'm not sure about that theory, financial institutions are well known for honesty and good practice.

why did scum go through so much effort to negate a town cop result that a lot of us probably wouldn't have even trusted to begin with

Scum didn't go to that much effort, they just killed him.

[UNOwen]

Yo Sleepy, I'm going to need some help with the money when I become treasurer. What do you think of our financial situation?

[UNOwen]

if you opt not to fund everything you're basically saying "we can kill wolves today AND tomorrow"

I still want the Sleepy take but our track record does not inspire confidence in that, true.

Do you think Bingle's fear of scummy bankers taking our cash should be considered?

[UNOwen]

That’s not very helpful, I think I need a new financial advisor.

[UNOwen]

It’s not very helpful because these:

Given that and the lack of trust I'm going to have for any claimed results, I think we should just not use power roles tonight unless they can be funded without going into debt. If a small loan managed to let them sabotage or roleblock or whatever, imagine what a big loan might cost us.

Take out a loan and fund everything

are two suggestions that can’t both be followed, and you’ve not given me a reason why I shouldn’t listen to Bingle.

Personally I’m inclined not to listen to Bingle because I lack imagination and can’t see what a big loan could cost us. Town already receives consequences for taking out a loan by the threat of going into debt, so the idea that this would be compounded by giving scum goodies too doesn’t seem likely.

But then I’m just a natural Council Member pretending to be a Treasurer, I have no authority on the subject. Hence consulting Sleepy for guidance.

[UNOwen]

Sleepy and not... me?

You may have more relevant experience but that isn't everything. Sleepy is the only sheriff in this town who didn't die first day on the job so he must be savvy.

[UNOwen]

I've never been treasurer! I don't know anything about money!
are both of the JOATs expected to have a shot remaining? not going to be able to offer actual advice until I know how much money we've got and what's still worth funding.
this late in the game all results are going to be treated like WIFOM so I think it's fine to take a loan to fund more roles, even if taking a loan does in fact let scum mess with stuff? I haven't thought this through very hard. I think you shouldn't explicitly say who all you're funding, but you should say if you're taking a loan or not

whoops I forgot to hit submit on this

That makes sense thanks. I will consult again once the tax intake is confirmed.

What do you think the sabotage means for Alisae? I'm not sure myself.

[UNOwen]

Do you think the sabotage was to frame Alisae?
Or do you think it points to Alisae scum?

[UNOwen]

The democratic process takes time, that's how you know the results are trustworthy.

[UNOwen]

I'm about to go to bed, will think about mech in the morning but the good news is we're only $45 in debt

For the briefest of moments I thought GuiltyLion was indeed a stupid liar face but then I remembered the evil concept of interest.

My current plan is to behave like a responsible treasurer and bankrupt the town. Will confirm choices later tonight or tomorrow. Probably tomorrow.

[UNOwen]

UNOwen, confirm the treasury situation, and make your choices, and then we kill KDowns who has gone straight up missing and zero contact which feels like an admission of guilt tbh

Yes looks like it to me too. Is the council of not-kdowns in agreement about killing kdowns?

[UNOwen]

Wow I have 2 abilities I can use!

Council member is the most worthy of positions.

Do you have any idea who the scum team is? And since my budget is confirmed that we can afford to pay people by ignoring financial ruin, who do you think I should fund?

[UNOwen]

GuiltyLion when the sabotage happened did you get a chance to reallocate the budget?

[UNOwen]

don’t fund kdowns!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Sleepy, I will take this advice into consideration.

[UNOwen]

Lol Go ahead and kill me and the game is just over.

I am not even going to attempt to even convince anyone because people's minds are already made up.

What gives you that idea? It’s not very townie to give up at the first sign of suspicion.

[UNOwen]

Because we have people here who are stubborn and dead set in their ways and immediately pushing on me because I am an easy target.

I am going to flip town, and the town loses. Simple as that.

It's endgame, why aren't you questioning it?

From your perspective there are as many scum around as town. So why do you trust that you're being pushed honestly and not just scum looking for an easy target?

[UNOwen]

Right there on that particular post?

I don't want to lose the game because I assumed that kdowns being defeatist is scum when I've tried that assumption twice this game and failed.

[UNOwen]

The following sequence of events, in my opinion, makes me obvious town.

GL becomes treasurer
I tell GL to WIFOM using lots of money or no money, and never to partially fund ANYONE.
GL's treasury gets attacked by a scum power.
I know this happened because I was fully funded for 80, reduced down to 49.
When GL announced this in thread, I went "how much? Do you know?" as a way to "slip" accidentally that I wasn't funded.
Sheep gets shot.

In my mind, this means on thing. Scum were afraid of multiple people being funded last night and used a power to sabotage across the board because they couldn't kill all the townies who had powers, and that I might have been in the crosshairs except for me faking not being funded and being on a slightly weaker role than cop.

Additionally it was my advice to GL to wifom how much money got used that put us in an okay position here. GL apparently only funded me.

More or less how GL and I played yesterday reads very much as town to me for both of us and put us in a position to possibly win. I think GL is obv town at this point to me, even above where I am.

LLD do you think this post provides enough context that there would be no further questions on what happened with the treasury last night from someone who wasn't at the committee?

[UNOwen]

Oh right, my interactions with SK are that I think he's scum and I'm trying to work out if Bingle/kdowns/SleepyKrew is just the latest reasonable sounding team but this time it's right or if there's a trick because they don't seem to have made much of an attempt to direct this day in any specific direction, when in theory they only need one townie to get it wrong for a win.

And from the perspective of Sleepy and Alisae I presume there would be questions about the funding situation i.e. why did GuiltyLion not fund the cop, what is the exact details of the sabotage. But maybe it's clear enough from what's been posted in thread idk.

[UNOwen]

Yeah the argument about why scum would let kdowns die is convincing, I'm reassured.

It'd be better if GuiltyLion answered my Q before I submit funding but not enough that I'm going to wait beyond today.

[UNOwen]

so you're asking me "do you think that the version of events from the council PT was specific enough that people who are proportedly not able to see that PT because they're town would be content not asking clarifying questions to get to the bottom of it?"

If that's the question, I think... possibly yes. I am... not concise when I speak, if you haven't gotten that from me yet. I talk around points because English is a dual first language for me and while I'm comfortable with it I sometimes worry I'm not being wholy... clear?

Yep, and I was thinking specifically about my interaction with Sleepy which was trying to get him to make clear how much he understood and he didn't have anything to say on the sabotage at all.

[UNOwen]

can you clarify what the role PM said here? mine said we were "$60 in debt" when I had to pay $90

:/
Mine doesn't say that. It gives me the full debt amount, interest included.

[UNOwen]

hm

Why did you ask that question?

[UNOwen]

Actually never mind, I see why.

[UNOwen]

ANNOUNCEMENT: The budget has been submitted, a masterpiece of good financial governance which will surely put this town on the road to recovery. Rejoice in the knowledge that your taxes have been used wisely!

[UNOwen]

In your game state world (town gl, town lld, town ali) there’s a cut and dry answer as to the scumteam, but I don’t know that it’s right yet. At the risk of undermining my ability to win a 1v1 tomorrow, I’m not entirely convinced gl is town, for example. If Ali and gl are both scum, GL coming in assuming the guilty on his buddy and then slowly letting me talk him around when the lim doesn’t happen makes a lot of sense, as does the protection offered today.

Does this seem plausible to you if kdowns is also scum?

[UNOwen]

Mega F lol
gg all, wp to scum

Thanks for hosting TSQ, my only comment on the setup would be that the deadlines could be shorter in the election and elimination phases but probably we should have been more forceful as a town on that too.