BooneyToonz XVI: Boons Ahoy! - [END]

[NorwegianboyEE]

He’s too much of an boon at this game.
VOTE: Firebringer

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who wants some salty tough meat, hardtack, and scurvy from nutritional deficiency resulting from spending months of life in a boat at sea.
(Eat the hardtack in the dark, you don’t wanna see the stowaways you might be eating)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not Voting [15]: NorwegianBoyEE, Klick, Frogs, Zoro, Theta Alpine, Doctor Drew, TemporalLich, Here There Be Dragons, Student of Prudence, Peregrine, Enchant, Ranger, Malakittens, Whemestar, Firebringer

Since its 1 am and i have nothing better to do. I am going to do a ranking list of how prolific I think each poster will be in this game. We will go with who i think will be top to least prolific posters in this game starting with:

1. Firebringer - obvious choice is obvious.
2. NorwegianBoyEE - Hope by best bud here is number two probably will be fourth.
3. Enchant - A good and prolific poster
4. Frogs - Alisae is gonna drive so probably higher.
5. Ranger - Could actually be 2 or 3 tbh. Depends on how busy she is.
6. Klick - feel safe for him to be around here. Might not be but we shall see.
7 Whemestar - Could be lower but mid tier not bad.
8 Here There Be Dragons - Would be up to possibly 3 if it wasn't for these two being in a hydra. Honestly they might be much lower just for the fact its a hydra.
9 Peregrine - Seems like decent mid to low tier
10 Doctor Drew - now we are starting to get into the lower tiers. Doctor will def be hovering around here.
11 Temporal Lich - seems like a user who starts strong and loses pace fast.
12 Malakittens - now we get to the point where i go. This is a person who i always question if they will even be here at the end of the game. She can be super low on this list to point of replacing out or just keeping up enough with the game. We shall see
13 Theta Alpine - might be higher than mala but i know very little about them.
14 Student of Prudence - who dis
15 zoro - I bet this slot will get a replacement even though i know nothing about them.

I'm not a prolific poster at all. Super shy and scared in here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

By signing up?

[NorwegianboyEE]

There are too many hydras already, the idea of needing to judge multiple heads is annoying enough as it is for just one.
I’ll be up for killing one that’s even remotely scummy today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

yeah! death the to the hydras!

~std

Join the expell all hydras alliance!

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not a prolific poster at all. Super shy and scared in here.

ur at number 2 right now

I’m very shy and unprolific. Now watch as i shyly have you get eliminated with my vote and you get hammered.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lich, most people might think you getting early reads is townie but i think it felt a bit try-hardy, especially the prudence read thing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The prudence read boils down to slightly scummy reaction, I can't go back to an RVS vote if I have a real vote

It's an real vote still? Didn't you vote them for something you in your very next post claim wasn't a good reasoning to scumread them after all?

[NorwegianboyEE]

My gut is screaming to vote TL right now, but i’ll refrain.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Maybe it’s just playstyle.

[NorwegianboyEE]

if I weren't under pressure I'd call peregrine towny for that post

Hm yeah this is townie maybe.
But now i won’t get credit for pointing it out because Fire did already.
Looks like i won’t be unvoting Fire anytime soon. >:(

[NorwegianboyEE]

Peregrine probably just ascetic serial killer instead of scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Zoro

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah it’s a bit scummy, but i know my charm will get me out of it even if i do blatabtly scummy acts.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why are you shouting!!!

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t know if you are, but ascetic just seems like such a third party role i couldn’t resist saying it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Considering scum are explicitly teamed you can consider it a compliment!
You're either town or a third party something!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ew why are the hydras agreeing with me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I hate to be the protectorate of an hydra, but i don't think Furtive's reads in the hydra seem unnatural from what i think they would usually do.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do we chop the heads off from Frog or Here there be Dragons then...

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t know wha let protcetorwate means big word and I don’t know what they usually do

It means that if we compare our own selves to states, the Furtive/RH9 hydra is an nominally independent state which is de facto under my influence even if it hasn't been outright annexed.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do we chop the heads off from Frog or Here there be Dragons then...

Why only those options

Need you even ask?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Seems like we have an imprudent hydra sympathizer among our ranks.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Frogs

[NorwegianboyEE]

I can't take your reads seriously enough for that, Memestar.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not voting Frogs because of associative or whatever, i just think that comparatively speaking they are the scummiest between all of the hydras as of right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I can't take your reads seriously enough for that, Memestar.

What specifically makes u not take it seriously cuz i am serious

Your posting style is too lackadaisical in it's nature for me to ascertain it's properties as anything but lightly satirical or naive.

[NorwegianboyEE]

BIG WORDS

[NorwegianboyEE]

You have a reason to townread Frogs?

[NorwegianboyEE]

There are a lot of defenses on Frogs for what i think are objectively bad reasons, but that also means a push there right now will probably get us nowhere.
Them not playing doesn’t mean they are town or scum imo, it just means they aren’t playing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

assuming I'm not under pressure right now: peregrine and doctor drew have towny vibes

assuming I'm under pressure right now: peregrine and doctor drew are NAI

This is a weird post and i’m not sure what to make of it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

okay then policy lim on hydras is even worse if it is not rvs

Do you have any thoughts on the game?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Reads.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I know what you could do Norwegian

?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Again i agree with you that Temporallich’s vibes are really weird in this game. But i don’t think i’ve ever played with them before so i’m a bit hesitant to vote them just because of that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But then again idk where else to vote so why not.
I don’t find the case on Whemestar very compelling.
VOTE: Temporallich

[NorwegianboyEE]

will give a lead rist soon, but if I'm under pressure it will be low effort crapola

Do you usually say things like this in your games or is this something new you're trying out?

[NorwegianboyEE]

My first thought is that you going on about how you play bad when pressured is scum indicative, but if you have examples of you doing this as town maybe i'll reconsider that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well instead of giving slightly lame reasons of why you're not going to play good, i'd prefer it if you just actually tried to be towny if you are town here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I have a lot of reasons to scumread them atm so i'd like to hear what you think makes them townie instead of me going on about my beliefs.

[NorwegianboyEE]

UNVOTE:

[NorwegianboyEE]

There's always VOTE: frogs

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ceph TL cares too much about the details of their point of view to be scum
They are portraying really specific ideas and they aren't ideas that would be expected to make people go 'oh TL is towny' and they also aren't persuasive

The only sensible motivation I can see for TL caring about what they care about is if they're town posting actual thoughts

Yeah that's basically what i'm thinking.
I did think the reads list Lich posted before the current one was kinda suspicious because the explanations were brief and not really saying anything. But their recent pages makes me think they just play this way so i don't feel as confident voting there anymore.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I am struggling to think of a way to explain my thoughts about this page in a way that makes sense outside of my head but!! I think that one of the people who just unvoted Temporal has a higher chance to be mafia!

It feels as if Klick’s post was a marker to unvote Temporal, and this is the part that is hard to explain! I think that the logic that Klick presents makes sense but it also has the assumption that all play that mafia might make is sensible, and I disagree with that idea as sometimes they are throwing things into the wind to see what sticks!! But the read itself is one that sounds “sound” to other players and is a way to disengage as someone else has now handed you the reason!

I will be honest that this is probably! Contingent on what I think of Temporal when I can read more, not being able to post as much in real time kind of sucks but I wanted to point this out while I was here because seeing a wagon fall off that fast is! Something!!

I am here for another few minutes if anyone wants to ask me anything and then I will return later!!

U tryna call me scum m8?

[NorwegianboyEE]

hmmmm

okay then voting two lurkers | no content posters and then jumping onto a popular wagon
and then back to one of the lurkers

town that is somewhat lost or scum looking for an easy mislim

p-edit
wait did they also unvote temporal

So when you ISO players you look at their votes and literally nothing else?

[NorwegianboyEE]

hmmmm

okay then voting two lurkers | no content posters and then jumping onto a popular wagon
and then back to one of the lurkers

town that is somewhat lost or scum looking for an easy mislim

p-edit
wait did they also unvote temporal

So when you ISO players you look at their votes and literally nothing else?

no

there was not much else to note though this time

I think there's more to say about me so i find that an unfair and shady description.

[NorwegianboyEE]

-quote pyramid snipped-

I think there's more to say about me so i find that an unfair and shady description.

i mean

i guess you also had an exchange with peregrine about them being third party or town instead of scum

but most of your interactions were either basic prods at other people or just bantering with temporal

So which slots have been townie in your opinion then if all i'm doing is "basic prods and bantering"?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I suppose I can tier them by strength to show they're real and original

I feel rather good about calling you, Peregrine, Norwee and Prudence town
Drew/Dragons/Firebringer are more vibes but I still like them

Why is norwee good to you?
They haven’t responded to me yet and that is in fact, scummy

& what about the doc is scummy

I didn't respond because what you were looking for is something you literally quoted in that same post so i couldn't be bothered.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What made you anxious?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I am struggling to think of a way to explain my thoughts about this page in a way that makes sense outside of my head but!! I think that one of the people who just unvoted Temporal has a higher chance to be mafia!

It feels as if Klick’s post was a marker to unvote Temporal, and this is the part that is hard to explain! I think that the logic that Klick presents makes sense but it also has the assumption that all play that mafia might make is sensible, and I disagree with that idea as sometimes they are throwing things into the wind to see what sticks!! But the read itself is one that sounds “sound” to other players and is a way to disengage as someone else has now handed you the reason!

I will be honest that this is probably! Contingent on what I think of Temporal when I can read more, not being able to post as much in real time kind of sucks but I wanted to point this out while I was here because seeing a wagon fall off that fast is! Something!!

I am here for another few minutes if anyone wants to ask me anything and then I will return later!!

U tryna call me scum m8?

self conscious

-c

Yeah i get called that every game. It's not scum indicative.

[NorwegianboyEE]

People keep wanting it to be scum indicative for me, but it's just not.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is frogs a hydra?

Yes, Alisae and Sir Cakez

Norwee, would you say it is something you only do as town, or just how you naturally act.

Nah as scum i would just smirk and laugh like an pirate if anyone suspected me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i am not sure if they are scummy yet or not

but their actions so far are consistent with looking for an easy mislim
it could also just be town that has not seen a good scum candidate yet though so

You're right that i'm looking. I'm probing slots around me and trying to ask the questions that can create enough data for me to ascertain whether slots around me are town or scum.
Why is it that you make it sound like i am looking for mislims? I realize you make it sound like you are unsure, but i don't like how you keep bringing it up. It feels to me like it could potentially be malicious in nature because you want to mislim me or lower my presence in the game.

To explain to everyone what i am doing so far. I have in fact not made a single serious push yet, but i don't just want to outright say whether any vote i make in the future is real because if people know whether i am truly scumreading someone or just testing them to see their reaction, my vote will lose all of it's impact.

[NorwegianboyEE]

There's something about Theta's ISO i really don't trust in this game.
They keep posting these thoughts that just seem unnatural to me. They seem eager to jump on with an opinion about things, "oh we shouldn't lim the hydras! policy lim bad!"
And how talk about me, i don't like it. It's also ironic that they were one of the slots that unvoted Temporallich and then talks about the unvotes like it's suspicious. Despite themselves doing the exact same thing.
Despite this they don't have a strong stance on anything except really basic LAMIST stuff like the aforementioned "don't policy lim hydras" stuff. They keep wavering with their read on me by calling me potential scum but also "could be town".

This is my first real vote. This slot is genuinely a scum.

VOTE: Theta Alpine

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's better to buss early.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I am still confused by 372 and it just seems like unwarranted shade thrown at Klick

Peregrine is saying that Klick's post was possibly the single catalyst that caused a lot of other slots to give up their votes on you as evidenced by the unvotes after the post by Klick was made. And that they suspect that scum could be in those slots that unvoted you. They are not shading Klick in that post.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah Fire is town in this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You shouldn't have towntold so hard, now nobody will take you seriously when you claim to be scum in this game again.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Theta do you have someone you’d like to vote?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwegian constitution day.
V/LA

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t know why Enchant’s post would be good or bad because they don’t explain anything.

Anyway hi, kinda stuffed and tired from festivities right now, but trying to pay attention to game a bit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh god, i think eating all of that food might have made me sick.

Anyway i would like to see what those reads from Theta are.

Also for Enchant to maybe try to explain Klick read because "they are evil" is not an ok explanation.

[NorwegianboyEE]

NorwegianBoyEE

Oh my gawd Boonskiies, it's Norwegianboy not Norwegian Boy.

Vingardium leviosAh not LeviOsah

[NorwegianboyEE]

Frogs doesn't seem too scummy so far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Let me try to read Enchant.


So Enchant is asked to explain their read on Klick. Their only given explanation is that Klick is evil. Enchant's scumread and vote on klick, by all merits, appears to be an clear-cut case of OMGUS because of Klick's suspicion on them.

Enchant's chosen way of going about our desire to understand their thought process is to show activity by repeating their scumread of Klick but not giving any more explanation of the logic behind their read or what thought process is going through their mind.

This means that Enchant either (a) has no desire to explain it, which can be for a multitude of reasons, or (b) simply cannot explain it and therefore chooses to not do so.
If Enchant was town i think they would be more likely to perform the first action than the second. (a)
If Enchant was scum they would likely be doing the second. (b)

Enchant however is being very active and responsive to any questions regarding Klick or their reads, it is just that the answers are very unsatisfactory. Avoidance is therefore out of the question here.
Deflection is an possibility, but scum!Enchant could just as easily ignore the questions rather than giving the bad answers we've been seeing. Leading to my next point.

Now Scum!Enchant could in this situation we are seeing choose to either (1) just ignore the questions from town by avoidance and lurking, (2) explaining the mindset behind their Klick scumread, or (3) to do the bad move of repeating the scumread and fueling the suspicion on them because of them blatantly doing an traditionally anti-town play of refusing to explain their own thoughts.

By choosing the unwise move on purpose (3), which would be a very bold and frankly stupid move to make as any alignment, but

double so as scum

, we can conclude that Enchant is much more likely of the town alignment based on their behaviour.

I can therefore say that the evidence clearly points to Enchant being more likely town than scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Enchant's evasiveness annoys the shit out of me in almost every game, so hopefully i just read them as an open book here and this shows that they cannot hide despite their chosen playstyle.

[NorwegianboyEE]

See this is what i was talking about.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah! I can feel the high mood in here.
Iz crazy, iz party time.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's page 4 can we not start trying to do meta

This is boring, someone do something zany

-c

i though this post might have been written by a wolf

Was that what made you extremely confident on scum!Ceph?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Which wagon would make you less bored?

[NorwegianboyEE]

So Klick and Enchant in a hood, that could explain a bit i guess.

@Klick, You don’t scumread any of the other unknown players in the hood? Just Enchant?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I agree that there does not necessarily have to be a scum neighbor

I think there is because neither Enchant nor Wheme are towny

Oh so Wheme as well? Ok.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tbh i got a nice big kick right in the face in a game i tried to explain a scum had to be in the hood but we were all town so i’m hesitant to join any vote based purely on neighbour spec anymore.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just try to learn from my mistakes it all.
Scum can still be in hood but obviously it would be nice if we could vote based on actual scummy behaviour. I don’t really think Enchant has been scummy anyways.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ceph is good at imotating their townplay, let’s kill em just to be sure.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyone wanna talk about how Malakittens has made posts but basically isn't playing?

[NorwegianboyEE]

VLA til Friday - lots of tests

Oh nvm i missed this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't townread Theta, but they are mostly just being waffly with their reads and i don't feel like there is anything scummy i can pinpoint from their comments lately so i guess i should vote somewhere else.

@Whemestar
What are your thoughts on Enchant/Klick? TvT or is there scum in there?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I kinda like Fire just for ISO diving Klick since i felt a bit paranoid they could possibly be scum as well.
But also like Fire i come out of my readings of Klick with a slight townlean.
I know Klick is good at scum though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee are we just going to cross buddy each other this game or what

It's your fault for being so town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fire why can't u solve the game for once.
Who's scum? Who do i vote?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fire why can't u solve the game for once.

i already did my hero solve dude

But which of the scum is more scummer than the others?

[NorwegianboyEE]

The exclamation marks are indeed pretty scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Here there Be Dragons, Peregrine, Frogs, Ranger

Here There Be Dragons - Captain of the Vessel [Who made these guys captain?]
Frogs - First Mate [Until he mutinys against Cephrir/STD]
Ranger - Quartermaster [Probably directing night actions until Cephrir/Alisae takes over]
Peregrine - The Chef [Cooking all the food aboard the vessel is a hard enough life]

Now envision the scum PT:

Cephrir: Ahoy mateys lets have a fun game
Alisae: I am not doing anything, Cakez has to do it all
Cakez: WTF?!?!?!
Save the Dragons: Sucks to be you Cakez
Peregrine: I can't wait to have fun with you all!
Ranger: Gonna be V/LA for a bit but this looks like a good team!

After FB calls them all out:

Peregrine: I am concerned!
Cephrir: Good thing nobody listens to FB
Alisae: Watch im about to send him two thumbsup and a dog emote. Will def trigger him
Cakez: Don't worry, I pocketed fb many times before as scum without even trying. Ill get him again
Save the Dragons: Just keep fluff posting with him, he will be none the wiser
Ranger is missing in action and not here for this conversation.

You forgot to add: "Hi, i am Ranger" to this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like Frogs is more interesting vote between the two.
Frogs

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Frogs

[NorwegianboyEE]

Very town never limming day one: Enchant, Norwee, Lich,
Probably Town. Most Likely won't vote today unless i have to like compromise or some shit - Doctor Drew, Whemestar
I guess town. Not very strong about - Klick, Here There Be Dragons (only STD)
I don't know dude - Theta, Students, Mala, Ranger
Scum Lean - Frogs, Peregrine

Everyone has different reads.

But your reads on Wheme and Peregrine are a bit *Yellow M&M*

Your reply here is *very funny meme*

[NorwegianboyEE]

We need to kill the ascetic because i can't prime and ignite everyone with one around.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How is lich a townread aaaa

@lich do you have a scum game I could read by chance I couldn’t find one

Anywyas UNVOTE: in case I’m voting lich pretty sure he’s town

Wat?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wouldn't it be more efficient to just add all of these things in one post and spoiler them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wouldn't it be more efficient to just add all of these things in one post and spoiler them.

That'd remove the point in creating them.

I mean i'm not going to bother going back to check how each page caused you to switch one slot upwards or downwards. It would be more useful if you posted some thoughts or maybe even the reason why your reads are moving the way they are. As it is right now, your reads are just an unintelligible collection of stats on a page.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Ranger’s content is good but i don’t like that they have me so low in their pool so i will act very Tsundere about it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I townread Enchant before it was cool, where’s my cred.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I had 3 hours of sleep and a 12 hour work shift right afterwards yesterday. And today i’m typing this while at work again. Feels like i got brain rot so idk who scum are. But i remember feeling like Mala has been kinda scummy. I’d probably switch wagons there if anyone else is interested.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Please let’s not and say we did.
I will get sorted later as this game goes on, thank you

I mean if you got the time to respond like this.
Shouldn’t you at least have the to be even remotely townie?

[NorwegianboyEE]

The time to*

[NorwegianboyEE]

Frogs priority:

Advertising upcoming game >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This game

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do we lim the spambot?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wagon grew pretty fast after Rangers vote when TL, Emperor and Students voted in close proximity.
I’m still not entirely sure i trust Frogs to be town but i wanna unvote and ISO these players when i get the time today. Since these are all players i don’t have a good grasp on RN.

UNVOTE:

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m kinda caught up but I feel like shit good vote for Erie get
And also er there smoo shot ranger is mastina they’re posts are liek 90% way to short okat bye

Wtf did i just read?

[NorwegianboyEE]

i am conftown for not hammering frogs

you silly goose you never made an appearance when my wagon was in hammer range

I did

You just didn't realize it was E-1 did you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i would love to vote for students of prudence but i don't like the idea of letting scum go for puking a bunch of nothing posts into the thread yall are wack

-c

I unvoted because of the speed of the wagon. It seemed unnatural for a wagon on scum to be so easy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

As well as idk if i can trust the voters which i said earlier.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Emperors ISO looks kinda scummy, but i'm not opposed to Students wagon either.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Eh, TL is prob just town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

JOIN ME

ON BLESSED EMPERORS WAGON

Oh i didn't even realize someone was voting them.
VOTE: Emperor Flippynips

As for Students i feel like there might be something slightly off about Furtive's overall play in this game so i'm not super against pressure there but i'm also not entirely convinced the slot must be scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

None of these recent arguments really make a lot of sense to me.
Who wanna vote Emperor?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I loved that handwritten list and i wanted to make something similar, except it would be like those crazy rambly lines text with arrows pointing at other lines of text, drawings of various stuff and cut out newspaper articles that conspiracy theorists use and have it all deliberately be contradictory and make no sense so it looks like the ramblings of an insane man but then i decided it would take a bit more time and effort than i have available right now, so i’ll just have to leave it to this post describing what could have been.

[NorwegianboyEE]

These current wagons are in that awkward tier where i don’t feel comfortable calling them scum but i don’t have a for sure reasoning to townread them.
I thought Frog’s reaction to my unvote seemed a bit townie, but then again scum!Alisae could probably fake it?
Then again, i think that ironically scum!Alisae might put in more effort into this game than what we are seeing here so maybe that slot really just is town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Students has some posts i hate and Furtive feels more muted than i’d expect from them.
Not saying i think Furtive would be super active in their games nowadays, but somehow here it seems even less than that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Maybe the hydra energy is messing with me and i just wanna instinctually kill it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I thought ur first response to Fire was bad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also i’m not saying Furtive’s posting levels is the problem to be precise.
But that their posting seems like it’s very different in levels of energy and how they are choosing to engage with the game.
I think i’m decent at naturally "getting" the vibe of Furtive’s posting as town and i’m not exactly feeling it here.
I don’t think being busy is something that would excuse that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Voting for us is a straight up terrible idea; I get the sense that this wagon on us is activity-based, which is dumb. We're both busy with school, it's exam season.

If anyone has a scumread on us for another reason, explain it.

-F

I do not think that this is the case at all!! I think that there are slots that people are not giving strong reads to due to their activity but this does not feel like a correct read on the situation!!

And RH9, I am a little confused! On what the importance is of people knowing what posts are yours and if they are being acknowledged, if you could explain please? If it is just beyond the dislike of being ignored!!

I mainly dislike having people form reads solely on one head.
And because I feel like that it feels somewhat like cherry picking.
~R

No tears for an HYDRA.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I had a dream once that i kissed a gender-swapped version of myself.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hilarious pagetop

destroy all hydras, basically

-c

You're a hydra.
~R

Nothing wrong with the divide and conquer approach eh?

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Students
Guess i’ll vote here since nobody cares about Emperor wagon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Lich do you believe that both wagons here are on scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m asking because it seems to be an light decision for you whether you vote Frogs or Students.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m guessing the slot just flips town, although they could be scum putting on the show of the ages.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like good going fellas, you scum really had us at twilight!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Guess who said Theta was scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fire just can't stop TOWNTELLING.

If you wanna towntell like Fire, call us now. We'll double, nay, we'll triple the offer.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Guess who said Theta was scum.

get that thing i sent u

What thing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can someone explain what’s going on with the mech like i’m 5 years old?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also i haven’t read Theta’s ISO too much yet but voting Flippy sounds like something i might partake in if my reads don’t change drastically.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t think Frogs is scum. The whole argument in earlier pages made me sleepy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is Ranger town or just well-playing scum?
These are the thoughts that haunt my dreams at night.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can someone explain what’s going on with the mech like i’m 5 years old?

Wheme was basically Elite Bodyguard (who redirects all actions from target on self and retaliates if there's kill) combined with Disabler.

Mafia tried to kill someone but killed Wheme instead who retaliated and killed Theme in response.
Mafia kill also disabled for next night.

Thankyouuuu

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m in the mood to vote Emperor or Ranger.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yoloo
VOTE: Ranger

[NorwegianboyEE]

You can't Fuckin assume Wheme successfully bodyguarded when I damn sure shot Theta

Stop assuming scum won't get a kill, for all you know they just straight up shot Wheme

I just think you are town by play so guess i just assume you shot them then.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I still feel like Emperor is a scumlean but idk, i feel uneasy about Ranger after seeing where they kept Theta in their reads lists.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So does anyone wanna talk about other slots than Enchant?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm glad Theta died; dead scum N1 > dead scum D2.

I'm miffed Theta died; had she not, I'd be voting her today.

Once students flipped town, I checked for which townread was wrong, and I landed on Theta.

It's good I was right, but annoying my effort was wasted.

For now, placeholder
VOTE: Frogs
With confirmation Theta's scum, I'll review interactions about 18 hours from now (give or take).

I actually think you fucking rolled town with me finally.
Holy hell.

Even tho I don't really understand why you are miffed. I think it's a good thing that you got confirmation of your scum read.

~M

Has your read accuracy on Ranger been good previously?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Even tho I don't really understand why you are miffed. I think it's a good thing that you got confirmation of your scum read.

It’s

good

, I'm just miffed it meant my efforts last night were wasted. I came into today believing I'd be making a big reveal of Theta being scum. Oh well!

Do you have any way to confirm this.
Cus seeing you say you were so convinced Theta was scum when your play prior to the flip suggested the complete opposite is something that needs more investigation.

What was it that convinced you Theta was scum from the Students flip?

[NorwegianboyEE]

And why do you have me so low in your reads.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or a better question to Ranger.
What metric do you use to measure someone being townie or scummy at all?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why would i be interested in your read accuracy of Mastina.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wanna know if i’m reading Ranger wrong and you seem familiar with them.
For me this is my first game with this player.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Uhh not familiar with that.

But Mastina and Ranger has a similar vibe as town is that what you’re saying?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Happy to talk about other reads as well. I'm feeling confident in the following players being town, in about this order:

Kitty Trauma Team
Frogs
TemporalLich
Peregrine
Doctor Drew
NorwegianboyEE

I’m not at "Confident" stage with Drew or Peregrine yet, but otherwise i agree.
TL is probably just town from Theta interactions, and if hood affirms to that as well then i can choose to believe it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Other than those i think Fire has been townie. Also i kinda just don't see Enchant as scum?

So that leaves what... All potential scum in {Peregrine, Flippynips, Ranger, Here there be Dragons, Drew, Klick}?
Feels like i could be wrong somewhere and i definitely don't think that necessarily all scum must be in this group. But these are the slots i don't fully trust as of right now.

Klick can you just like... try to make me see the light if you are that convinced on Enchant here. Why exactly is the slot scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah i don't really care how much a player wants someone to die.
It's not very convincing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway i'm want to get a better handle on Ranger's alignment so i'm gonna wait for them to post before moving my vote anywhere.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like Jesus the words you typed don't even make sense in concept


I AM LITERALLY IN A 1V1 WITH THIS PERSON AND I EXPECT THEM TO FUCKING DIE.

At no point am I even REMOTELY ON ANY WORLD REAL OR IMAGINED trying to PROTECT this person by making it look like low hanging fruit ESPECIALLY when I seem to be the only person that gives a fuck about the slot being scummy as shit.

Tell you what, run the slot up the Fuckin flag pole and see if I back off this wagon, because I won't

And that's a spoiler, not a prediction

you are not in a 1v1. enchant retrated their claim immediately.

-c

It's a 1v1 because I say it's a 1v1

I ain't having some nobody telling me I suck and then calling me scum


Least of all some nobody that fake claims guilties

So this is basically more about pride than actual scumreading?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Enchants tracker claim was a bad play regardless of their alignment, but i don't believe that suboptimal play makes someone for sure a mafia. Tbh i first believed it was a joke, but i can't speak for how serious Enchant was when they made that post unless they clarify it themselves.
Point is that suboptimal play and scum indicative play doesn't necessarily have an relation.
Overall I don't think their play in this game syncs up to what i believe a scum player would be doing. I could be wrong on that but these current arguments don't convince me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i feel like klick and norwe are getting free passes for meh reasons *opens up ur limpool*

my brain wants to do anti neighbor spec wherein there is no scum in the 4 and both my neighbors are scum (i know klick is in that hood; shut up)

im extremely disinterested in voting enchant today

-c

I don't think i'm being "given a pass" in this game.
I'm just being townread.

So do you disagree with their reasoning for townreading me or what?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I told people to vote Theta on day 1 but nobody cared.
I'm thankful for the vig shot proving me right. I think my actions should already make me conf!town by now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I told people to vote Theta on day 1 but nobody cared.
I'm thankful for the vig shot proving me right. I think my actions should already make me conf!town by now.

Wait didn't we invent bussing like ten years ago

Do you believe i was bussing?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Kay.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What’s going on now?

enchant fakeclaimed tracker and immediately said it was a lie, kitty trauma team and frogs thinks enchant is scum for that reason, I think enchant is locktown because of kitty trauma team and frogs thinking enchant is scum

also theta alpine flipped scum and was consistently townlean reading you so I sense an associative

Bro

u know we claimed 1-shot vig and shot Teta right.....?

So we are basically confirmed town af

~M

It's not really case because Wheme died and could just kill them in retaliation as ability usage.

Therefore you are not confirmed.

This is correct. Even if i were to lean to Kitty’s claim being genuine. There is an possible alternate explanation for Theta’s death.
For example they could in theory fake claim vig after seeing the death of Theta as an way to distance by falsely claiming to have been the cause of a dead scum player.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I dunno if i saw them as obvtown but at the very least i had them as townread in my mind.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Enchant and Lich both sound informed as fuck about oh obviously Theta tried to kill someone and Wheme killed Theta


Meanwhile in zero realities was Theta townread enough to be performing the scum kill without fear of getting tracked

what if their partners were less townread
what if they were choosing who they could afford to lose rather than who was safest

-c

*shrug* you can only account for so many what ifs

i just think it's extremely possible that theta performed the kill and i don't plan to ignore that possibility

-c

I don't expect you to ignore the possibility but I absolutely refuse to accept any scenario that involves me fake claiming because I know that scenario can't be reality

Ok then, I misread this interaction then earlier today.

Outside of what you know what you did overnight, can't you objectively understand how people can call this into doubt though?

Pre Edit: I didn't think Wheme as obvtown, more null leaning a bit south of null maybe

I mean Kuribo seems to struggle a bit with the idea that their own subjective "truth" doesn’t apply to other people. I don’t blame them for it or view it as scummy, but it is an cognitive bias that some people can fall into, including myself.
Like i’ve said, i trust the claim. But i also recognize that there is a world where they are scum and made up a claim on the spot, which would actually be a reslly poggers strategy if they were mafia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wouldn't know your history as i think it's first game with you but if you say so then i guess it's more likely you don't pull a gambit like that as scum.
(If this is wrong someone else can maybe verify this)

[NorwegianboyEE]

{Kitty Trauma Team}
{Peregrine}
{TemporalLich}
{Klick}
{Enchant}
{Firebringer}
{Emperor flippyNips}
{NorwegianboyEE, Here There Be Dragons}
{Doctor Drew}
{Frogs}

Klick goes up to KTT tier if Frogs is scum. Would require a Frogs scumflip tho.

Would u have these reads if you were mafia

You mean it’s too wild and wacky to be scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Really tired today. Will do more tommorow hopefully.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If there's scum on both wagons and if Frogs is town, this would mean scum went from one mislim wagon, to a different mislim wagon, to a

third

mislim wagon on Students. (Not accounting for there also being a WhemeStar wagon.)
Largely as a group.

Scum generally don't act in that manner. They

can

, if they want to strongly be unified, end the day early, or if they want to save scum. Usually, the answer is something else.

Can you back up that assertion

Yeah. Read any game on mafiascum. Did the scum move from one mislim, to another mislim, to a third mislim, largely as a group?

It'll take you a while to find one which they do. (It's uncommon.)
When you do, it'll likely be...they wanted to be strongly unified, end the day early, or save scum.

It'll take you much longer to find a game where they performed the first without the second. (It's uncommon among the uncommon, and thus very rare.)

What kind of silly logic is this?

[NorwegianboyEE]

i sure do love wagonomics.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're wrong. I have stronger evidence than you that Frogs is town

None which I will believe.

Nobody cares.

Alisae is playing in their town meta here and is not scum. Finito.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ranger is not playing in a way that is making me more confident about their alignment not being scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I also think you are playing really weirdly around my slot.
You don't really want to directly confront me so you do this half-shade, don't explain your thoughts, and silly ass "logic" to try to turn the gamestate in your favour.
I really didn't like how you were all like "Ah yes, my mindset is so amazingly unique it simply cannot be explained. My reads are just on another level!"
Sounds like the kinda thing scum would say to avoid needing to actually explain anything.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I maintain the best elimination remains Frogs.
I maintain a scumread on Doctor Drew.
I maintain a nullread on Norwee.

So, my total lim pool is {Frogs, Doctor Drew, Norwee, Emperor FlippyNips, Here There Be Dragons}.

Lol so after all that you only have me as a NULLREAD.

xD xD xD

[NorwegianboyEE]

Talking with Alisae is giving me motivation to care about this game to the extent that I do
I am filling a similar role for Ali (ref: the neighbourhood)

We solve very similarly and I am talking with Ali because I think it's a good way to arrive at an accurate solve

This isn't new to this game day.
It was going on day 1 too

Sure that doesn't really change anything
I don't feel heavily invested here rn but I like solving with Ali

cool that's super unhelpful for the rest of us and ali's thought process will remain as opaque to me as it has been the whole game

-c

Show me what helpful reads and takes look like Ceph. Teach me how to play like a good townie

Is it by debating logically the exact reasons why I have come to the conclusion that {Ranger, flippyNips, Dragons} is the most likely place for scum to be?

I often have reasons that do not sound persuasive to a general audience of Mafia players (some of whom are scum whose job is to deconstruct the correct narrative), but nonetheless have fairly accurate reads. This is something we discussed about a week ago in this thread. You said you found it relatable.

If it's not that, then what do I do to be a good helpful townie for you?

you (and ali) could solve in the main thread where i can see it instead of hiding where i can't and treating each other like masons

-c

U sound kinda like irritated scum here.
Maybe that wasn't your intention but that's what it sounds like.

[NorwegianboyEE]

would scum!ranger really be trying to obfuscate scum kill by going "ohh its obvious it was TL" when it was really Norwee. Probably?

That sounds about right

Not really conclusive evidence by itself, but i still wanna kill the slot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

happy birthday norwee

Thankyou

[NorwegianboyEE]

Maybe scum is just Ranger/Dragons.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t really have a goid reason to lock you as scum Dragons. I think Ranger is much more likely to flip scum.
My scumread on you is more because i have reasons to believe most other slots are town and yours i don’t.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you got good arguments i’m willing to listen to them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

actually yeah I do believe Dragons/Ranger would be a great scum team now, considering that Here There Be Dragons really tried to make Klick who is pretty much confirmed town look like scum with a gambit and that Ranger's recent posts have a scummy mindset

pedit: yeah let's wagon Here There Be Dragons

I kinda prefer Ranger. I think Dragons is making real bad posts right now, but not the type that would convince anyone so dunno if it’s scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like you’re rewriting history now.
Whemestar wasn’t really "universally townread", i’d say it was more like people thought it could be town but they weren’t sure however the slot was largely ignored.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Idk Ranger.
If you wanna argue Whemestar was seen as townie then it’s sorta ironic that you mentioned they were wagoned yesterday.
Like why would scum wanna kill a slot that’s been wagoned and only really lightheartedly fell apart as an wagon, as opposed to someone that has not been wagoned at all and likely never will.
I feel like you arguing this is kinda farfetched and only to make me seem less credible and trustworthy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And you know.

Theta wagon fell apart too yesterday.

Would you argue that meant we were all townreading them? Even if i joined another wagon because there was lack of support that doesn’t mean i trusted the slot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I can see this particular topic is a waste of time to engage with you on.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Again i’m not following.
Why would a kill ln me mean that scum absolutely must and can only be in the slots that townread me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also why couldn’t scum have been PR hunting and thought i was a good shot, or tried to kill me because i was on to Theta, or thought my death would be low-info, or fucking anything else?

Sigh…

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ranger.
None of what you say has any broad appeal, You’re making up terms that only make sense to yourself and even blatantly misremembering and creating new facts.
If you’re town here then your argumentation has no convincing power at all.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I take back my doubts about Rangers argumentation ability.

[NorwegianboyEE]

In the back of my mind there are signs that make me think this could go wrong but I feel like I need the flip tbh so…

I think Ranger would be highly competent no matter their alignment, but there is still some indisputably scummy things about the slot, such as the fact that they townread Theta yesterday and then acted like they actually scumread it very highly at the span of the night in next day when it was already been made confirmed dead scum. And then the fact that they tried to peddle the blatantly fake nonsense.
It could be explainable from a town mindset as most things can, but overall i don't trust it enough to unvote since this feels like the best current lead.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This might sound extremely weird, but i feel Klick is pretty alive and maybe even slightly erratic in this game, and i think that’s different from their scumgame which i view as slightly more sterile and clean.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But i’ll admit i’ve had moments of paranoia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’ve lost a bit confidence on this wagon and want to vote Emperor now.

Btw, we now live in a world where the arguments is that Wheme protected me from kill by Theta. Kitty vigged Theta, and Ranger gunsmithed Theta?
Lmao.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Emperor

[NorwegianboyEE]

Don’t care about Dragon. But yeah i think it’s worth it to pressure Emperor and extend this day by gathering more data.
Would like to hear more from some other slots that has been afk for a bit too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also, try to take a shot everytile Ranger said "Norwee" in the last pages.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wat

[NorwegianboyEE]

Flippy’s lack of content i don’t think is anything unexpected.
But they do seem like a likely Theta partner just from associations.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I also want to reduce scum influence so that the lim isn't specifically guided towards the town in that group

If you really want to eliminate scum influence, might I suggest to stop blindly trusting all of {Frogs, Doctor Drew, NorwegianboyEE, Firebringer, TemporalLich} to be town?

When you post things like this i kinda just wish to lim you even if i had mod confirmation you were town.

It’s not even the fact that you propose some of those slots could be scum, i don’t believe for sure that all of them are town.
But you’re arguing this in the least helpful, and most scummy way possible.
In a way that makes me feel you will be an active detriment to town no matter what you do.
First of all, i don’t care about your mech arguments. I read Alisae by tone, convince me their tone is scummy or i’m never gonna vote there ever.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think i’m starting to lean towards Alisae’s: "just resolve Ranger slot" idea.
I don’t think Klick is scum in this game and neither Frogs so it kinda just feels like Ranger is trying to push wherever and see what sticks.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Ranger

[NorwegianboyEE]

Firebringer also seemed unaware that their fruit vendor delivery was blocked.
Which they might have been more conscious of assuming the scum really did try to kill me but it failed because of Wheme.
And also why target me with fruit if they knew Theta was gonna shoot me.

@Enchant, why Fire?

[NorwegianboyEE]

They haven't posted anything before voting so it's pretty sus yeah.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like reads wise.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The again maybe Ranger is just scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So you don't have any reads? Got it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like Lich didn't play their role good enough and i'm sad i didn't get it because it looks really fun.
It would have been best for us if that slot decided to townside and tell which slots they were targeting tonight, but they played selfishly instead.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Everyone should claim hood if has one.

What is the purpose behind that?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also scum likely had a kill tonight so i guess that "scum won't have a kill today" theory got disproved now?