BooneyToonz XVI: Boons Ahoy! - [END]

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Oh no ur sick D:
I hope u feel better

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ribbit

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wow I can't believe you want to kill all of the hydras wow what a murderer

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Right next to the scummy I will of course get for my play this game I have my PhD, and the stuffed heads of all the hydras

I spit at you!
ribbit croak

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Ribbit!

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RIBBIT!!!

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VOTE: here there be dragons

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Okay I have been avoiding this game it was making me really anxious for some reason
But I'm here now to read up

-cakez

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I think I'm just gonna read everything then give thoughts at the end so I don't need to make a ton of posts

-cake

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What made you anxious?

Idk exactly, maybe because I've had a run of bad games lately and this is a very strong player list

-cakez

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What made you anxious?

Idk exactly, maybe because I've had a run of bad games lately and this is a very strong player list

-cakez

Why would a strong player list make town!you anxious

~std

Because I'm not charismatic/good enough to stop them from limming me whether town or scum lol

-cakez

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Also Alisae was all dramatic before this game all like 'cakez you have to do this on your own now' and claims e won't do much this game so I'm kinda stressed to perform now ;(

-cqlez

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-cakez
I don't even know how I typoed that up so bad

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And to top it off it's my college senior week before graduation so I'm all over the place

-cakez

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Not to get bogged down in semantics but if the player list is strong won't they be more likely to catch you as scum (anxiety inducing) or tr you correctly as town (not anxiety inducing)?

I feel like your choice of the word strong may betray your alignment

No because people misread me constantly even good players
Also I'm not gonna respond to any more stuff until I'm done reading

-cake

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Sorry guys I'm kinda fucked up up cuz of senior week and keep getting distracted so I'm only at page 5

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Vote early
Vote often
Send frogs to
The coften

~std

you are not town lmfao

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back to my ultimate strategy of fucking off and not caring about the game i mean CROAK

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btw Klick I will give you the secret ingredient to identifying Norwee as town:
Norwee can't shitpost naturally as mafia

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or at all actually

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(he can't post naturally at all as mafia)

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ribbit

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ask me in 5 years from now if I wanna wagon the dog and maybe I will say yes

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ask me in 5 years from now if I wanna wagon the dog and maybe I will say yes

Can I ask you to join us and play the game?

My dog ate my reads, sorry!

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i am back and ready to continue

-cakez

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through page 12, I think TL is the scummiest player of the main lot posting. I don't really buy a lot of what they are posting and their posts seem to be forced/made-up at points.
Wheme seems okay? Don't understand why they are defending us really, Ali and I would lurk or be super active regardless of alignment, it just happens that we are both strung out and not into this game so we haven't done much
Norwegian reads fairly town to me and I do pretty well reading him usually
Ranger has done nothing which is giving me major red flags, I'll see if she shows up in the next 10 pages

Students of Prudence has pinged me at some points too ex; 297. Like what? This doesn't even logically make sense - if it's a good point, then what else would be motivating Wheme there?

-cakez

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i'm not gonna move our vote bc I want to let Ali cook on e's HTBD read/push

-cakez

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327 reads pretty terribly to me. A lot of the reads look forced out as "content"; nobody has a read on everyone at page 14

-cakez

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I am struggling to think of a way to explain my thoughts about this page in a way that makes sense outside of my head but!! I think that one of the people who just unvoted Temporal has a higher chance to be mafia!

It feels as if Klick’s post was a marker to unvote Temporal, and this is the part that is hard to explain! I think that the logic that Klick presents makes sense but it also has the assumption that all play that mafia might make is sensible, and I disagree with that idea as sometimes they are throwing things into the wind to see what sticks!! But the read itself is one that sounds “sound” to other players and is a way to disengage as someone else has now handed you the reason!

I will be honest that this is probably! Contingent on what I think of Temporal when I can read more, not being able to post as much in real time kind of sucks but I wanted to point this out while I was here because seeing a wagon fall off that fast is! Something!!

I am here for another few minutes if anyone wants to ask me anything and then I will return later!!

really like this peregrine post

-cakez

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hi i post nonsense stuff so i then point at postcount and say i didn't lurk

Hello!! Would you be willing to post non nonsense!! Please!

Eh? What a nonsense is this post?

Enchant is pinging me. posts like this make me think he's leaning into his trollish reputation to get out of actually producing anything and I know town!Enchant can step it up way more than this.

-cakez

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What made you anxious?

you

mala why was this the only thing you had to say when you dropped by? I saw you're going V/LA but like this is such a random post to make for your one post

-cakez

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Why did alisae (or you) vote for us

~std

e thinks you are scummy for a few reasons that I will let e divulge when e wants

I get the sentiment but I don't see why it would matter if the player list is strong if you are town and a strong or weak player list would misread you.

I see why it would matter if you were scum though

because I don't want to get my ass mislimmed again because it's bad for town, obviously

Not to get bogged down in semantics but if the player list is strong won't they be more likely to catch you as scum (anxiety inducing) or tr you correctly as town (not anxiety inducing)?

I feel like your choice of the word strong may betray your alignment

No because people misread me constantly even good players
Also I'm not gonna respond to any more stuff until I'm done reading

-cake

????
Then they wouldn't be strong no?

I struggle to interpret this as anything but 'I don't have a good town answer to this question so I'm noping out'

I think you should definitely continue responding so this can be resolved if you're town

there are players who I would consider very strong scumhunters, scummy winners, who misread me. it's just how it is.

-cakez

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cakez is there a reason ali isn't here

also im starting to think drew is actually not annoying me enough to be town this game

-c

idk, it's been hard for both of us to get into this one. im all over the place rn because of irl things going on.

-cakez

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i am not sure if they are scummy yet or not

but their actions so far are consistent with looking for an easy mislim
it could also just be town that has not seen a good scum candidate yet though so

You're right that i'm looking. I'm probing slots around me and trying to ask the questions that can create enough data for me to ascertain whether slots around me are town or scum.
Why is it that you make it sound like i am looking for mislims? I realize you make it sound like you are unsure, but i don't like how you keep bringing it up. It feels to me like it could potentially be malicious in nature because you want to mislim me or lower my presence in the game.

To explain to everyone what i am doing so far. I have in fact not made a single serious push yet, but i don't just want to outright say whether any vote i make in the future is real because if people know whether i am truly scumreading someone or just testing them to see their reaction, my vote will lose all of it's impact.

pretty sure this is a Norwe town post

-cakez

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okay i gotta go do stuff, I got to the top of page 20. I'm fine with Ali's vote on HTBD for now, I'd also vote any of (TL, Students of Prudence, Enchant, Ranger)

-cakez

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Ribbit

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Fire Norwee Drew Klick Flippy
Peregrine
Theta
Mala Students
Ranger Enchant Wheme Lich
Dragons

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Croak

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the most obvious wolf in the game right now is cephrir

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you are lucky I am in the mood atm

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I do not believe ceph genuinely believes that I am flipping wolf and I feel like he has tried to railroad people and generally be really aggressive and proactive and it is on my radar
also their voting history suggs

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I feel the most confident in my TRs, particularly all top line except Flippy. Flippy is likely town but not as confident in that as I am the other 4

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It's page 4 can we not start trying to do meta

This is boring, someone do something zany

-c

i though this post might have been written by a wolf

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I too will go back to fucking off and not caring about the game

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Fire im town this game I promise it's not like last time you defended me ;(

-cakez

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im putting HTBD on ignore
their messages are not coming through
beep beep try again later

-cakez

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550 is very OMGUS and I don't think frogs is intending to give any reads

VOTE: frogs

Ali has had HTBD as scum for quite some time so this is not really OMGUS

What made you anxious?

Idk exactly, maybe because I've had a run of bad games lately and this is a very strong player list

-cakez

Why would a strong player list make town!you anxious

~std

Because I'm not charismatic/good enough to stop them from limming me whether town or scum lol

-cakez

Last time I heard this being said was from scum!S_S.
~R

do you think we are scum?

-cakez

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I'm struggling to read Theta (idk what it is just the posting style is throwing me off) but Ali leans town so I will not be joining that wagon

-cakez

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my reads and thoughts haven't changed much in the last ten pages
which is a bit odd since i think more content has been put out then the first 15 pages.
However i do want those townreading peregrine to explain

i do find peregrine demeanor a bit strange. Maybe i should read that game we just finished he replaced in. Don't think he is playing like that and he was town subbing in.

I feel like their posts are pretty transparently town. Like the way they are approaching this game and questioning things feels like its obviously from a town PoV.

-cakez

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while frogs is starting to maybe be scummy town, Enchant is likely scummy scum

you said my posts on pg 24 were NAI; how does this then lead you to us being scummy town?

-Cakez

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Ali and I are pretty close on most of our reads actually

-cakez

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so ya I'm just gonna keep sheeping e on HTBD because I hate how they are approaching us this game, its so bad faith

-cakez

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alisae if you are expecting me to read you a certain way i think it might be relevant information for me to state that i think you would not attempt to powerwolf in this game as you know that i would see through that. i think that you are scum and trying not to powerwolf, and as a result you don't know what to do, which is resulting in the lackluster play you are putting out

but if you are indeed scum feel free to ignore this and i can happily keep doing what i'm doing

-c

I'm not really posting nor do I really care about the game atm. That's all my posting is really indicative of.
I think you can read me accurately and you do have a way of reading me, but I don't believe you believe that I am flipping wolf given my gameplay. I think if you were town I would probably be not what you want to focus on.

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because i want to i am an impulsive being ali goes where e pleases

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RIBBIT

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I am in hibernation

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If anyone thinks that poking me for more is going to actually force me to do more, you should just put down a vote. Post or die. You either do that or you let me go where i please and i watch

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I thought I was done but one more thing ali how tf do u scumread me

I don't have any read on you i haven't read your posts
before it was like dragons theta wheme lich from worst to best but them theta became a bit better

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r u trying to pick a fight with me?
i will yellow u

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r u trying to pick a fight with me?
i will yellow u

I prefer red.
Why would i fite u.
Ur on my scum team

i...

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CROAK

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V/LA through Monday

Gonna be really busy this weekend with graduation, won't be here much if at all

-Cakez

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Here There Be Dragons, norWegianboyEe, malakittens, Ranger, TL, Flippy, Prudence

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the wagon composition on me

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and everyone else is just vanity voting

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and everyone else is just vanity voting

u want to fight mate

all vanity voters except drew and enchant could be town ig

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drew could also be town but some of his stances I remember reading were very head scratchy

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its probably like mala students dragons + 1 more

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and everyone else is just vanity voting

u want to fight mate

all vanity voters except drew and enchant could be town ig

Why u not pushing anyone or anything.

i mean i think dragons is obvwolf but because I didn't want to?

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my wagon feels inflated

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i know ranger voted before but like 4 people voted me on the same page and only 2 of those people that I think are town are voting me are norwee and flippy (who ig is town but could look over again)?
My wagon composition isn't great

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r u sure we can't kill cephrir today they're so obvscum

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I just put my large theme game into queue you better be there

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Ya I'm running this w/ FA

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am i the only one who didn't realize this was E-1

I mean I just counted the votes

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Is TL pushing me for a claim as town or as a wolf I don't seem to know.

Norwee has an idea of what's up with that unvote tho, this wagon composition screams alarm bells and Norwee is probably town for picking up on those alarm bells

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Why is Students of Prudence scum

I think 3 wolves at least were voting me by the time I was put into hammer range.
Its Def Dragons
mala I read as maybe town but she's on my wagon so who knows
Ranger I have no read on. I feel like they should be obvtown but they're not.
TL says OMGUS a lot but I haven't read if they're sorting in a way that town does or if they're just mafia. They were voting me before.
Flippy I think voted me just cuz like wynaut but I feel like their previous voting record could be town it could realistically be anything though
Prudence on ISO read seemed like it could be a wolf

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I would not call my wagon formation natural at all, it's not like a townbloc agreed that this is what they should be voting, it just kind of happened. most of the votes on me came from a single page.

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ya lmao I don't think I can tell w/ TL.
early seems fine but i have no idea if this would be his approach as a wolf

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TemporalLich [5]: Theta Alpine, Peregrine, Here There Be Dragons, WhemeStar, NorwegianBoyEE
Frogs [7]: Here There Be Dragons, norWegianboyEe, malakittens, Ranger, TL, Flippy, Prudence

Comparing my wagon to TL's early wagon, I want to say there seems like there's more town on TL than there is on my wagon. Norwee and Dragons are both common voters, I say we should kill dragons.

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Frogs is confusing me, felt Cakez entrance was towny....but now...meh. And I Alisae says they don't care about the game at the moment, yet keeps posting.

this take in particular from drew was ????????
dunno what to do w/ it

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You should let me pre-in for that if you’d have me

I’m kinda caught up but I feel like shit good vote for Erie get
And also er there smoo shot ranger is mastina they’re posts are liek 90% way to short okat bye

also ya sure u r in

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maybe i will look at drew if the people he is defending starts flipping wolf cuz like i feel like they're probably going about the game in ways that are probably town motivated

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drew isn't that hard of a read anyways

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a lot of effort out of the aether from frogs and frogs now seems towny

this is not a lot of effort ribbit

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for me this is the bare minimum.

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i am conftown for not hammering frogs

you silly goose you never made an appearance when my wagon was in hammer range

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ur not doing it for towncred!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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(u could be town)

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im not gonna put down a vote but I'm interested in seeing these dueling wagons

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who r u?

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ya so um who are you?

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ribbit

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Doggy!!!!!

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r u sure we can't just do dragons >_<

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i feel like ceph has set up students to flip town and then just goes after me next
idunno i feel hesitant seeing them join wagon

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i mean you're going w/ the flow

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look man I do not trust you

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r u sure we can't just do dragons >_<

I don't see why you ask me like im in charge of this game.
I am obviously not for it but like why would u ask me.
I don't feel like you would care about this if u were town tbh

i am asking u cuz u r around >_<

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i mean you're going w/ the flow

>cephrir is proactive and pushes frogs hard
"cephrir is in his scum meta for doing stuff"

>cephrir goes with the flow
"cephrir is a 4d superchess double mastermind"

ok

-c

croak

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r u sure we can't just do dragons >_<

I don't see why you ask me like im in charge of this game.
I am obviously not for it but like why would u ask me.
I don't feel like you would care about this if u were town tbh

i am asking u cuz u r around >_<

Still think its weird

yellow

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dog is weirdge 1169 is a stupid question w/ a very ez answer

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maybe if he were informed tho he wouldn't make such a post

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ur normal

is anything about this normal

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Shut ur mouth

wow
what a rude doggo

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but that would mean I would have to plaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay x_x

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Cephrir is harder for me to pin down. His latest stuff is just like....unreadable to me. I found the weirdest thing he has said this game to be the whole "wow im so shocked im not more townread"

I don't recall ever seeing him recently play d1 confidently. They're usually a lot more aimless

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std bas

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Bad*

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Very evil

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Kuribo cakez is really flustered u think they’re good at town lmfao

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Cakez actually isn’t actually good at obvtowning himself.

Usually I am when I want to and as any alignment. Obvs it would be normal for me to do so and care.
This hasn’t been that game.

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Anyways I will declare intent ig, not happy about this elim compared to how much I want dragons but deadline so it is what it is.

Ig I’ll also care a bit more than I have previously and give this game my time

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so much for giving this game my time

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someone should vig dragons

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think of it as dragontarian

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ik ur flipping but how r u modified

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gun to head yes

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his posts seem fine so far?

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no we're aligned w/ the frog mafia

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I want to agree w/ user Klick

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he is also aligned with the frog mafia

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i am very confident in dragons wolf

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whemestar being that low is surprising but I haven't actually read their posts

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Something feels off though idunno what it is

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gun to head students flips town :/

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MemeStar

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Hey now
your a memestar
get your meme on
go play

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I have some bad news for Detective Darryl

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who needs investigation roles when you have god tier scumhunting skills any truers?

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so his wolf elimination was all me

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clearly we would have never eliminated if not for my fuck all do nothing strategy

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all me im taking all of the credit

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as a member of the frog mafia, i will shoot firebringer so he cannot call me out for bussing on the next day phase

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only he could appreciate my do nothing bussing strategy

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Alisae do u really not find it strange all of Klicks like...subtle buddying of u.
I frankly don't get it

it is ok

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You would never elim students if not my morale support!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Enchant gets credit for the students elim as well

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all me im taking all of the credit

What the fudge

exactly memestar

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wheme was in a hood I wonder if there is a hint of who they targeted in there

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I don't know was the composition claimed?

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Fire what do you think of TL?

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Guess who said Theta was scum.

who

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Actually Norwee he is aligned with the mafia

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I haven't processed the information yet

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if you asked me before the flip was posted I would say yes

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WHAT INFORMATION HAVE U PROCESSED

i am watching monster w/ my buddy

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whemestar was town?!

how are you shocked about this

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I am tracker, Klick visited Whemestar.

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

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Klick needs to post then

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I neighborized Klick I will talk to them

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do not end day please

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k i lied can we kill klick anyway

this makes much more sense

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tl ig is better so far?

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idunno on surface tl looks like they're trying to solve but going from me -> students -> me -> students is weird

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they also keep saying I've gotten townier but then vote me anyways? that was weird

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VOTE: frogs

maybe I tunneled too hard on wheme

frogs is a good vote imo

okay... a lot of effort out of the aether from frogs and frogs now seems towny

VOTE: Students of Prudence

students of prudence does not appear to be towny to me... can't really think of a reason students of prudence could be town

yeah my main reason for scumreading frogs was a lack of effort combined with calling the wagon unnatural

also I just skimmed Here There Be Dragons' ISO and found this post that seems scummy so yeah Here There Be Dragons is also a worthy lim:

@whemestar please make a read list so that temporallich will stop voting you

thanks

-c

this feels like an associative to me

we have less than 48 hours left on the deadline, time pressure is starting to exist

anyway, here's a post for now:

I currently have a low confidence townread on Doctor Drew, 1151 feels very NAI to me

the firebringer and frogs interaction on page 47 feels NAI

1174 however is a towny post and is a good scumread on frogs

I still scumread frogs mostly due to low effort posting while not under pressure

1198 is an okay post worth a small amount of town points

oh and kitty trauma team is currently a nullread for me

here's a lead rist again, since the Day will end soon:

[Town]

NorwegianboyEE - thoughtstreaming a town mindset, confident in townreading
Klick - clear town mindset
Firebringer - towny but somewhat provocative
Ranger - the non-lead rist posts show a town mindset
Doctor Drew - towny but I somehow am thinking "potential deepwolf" for some arcane reason
Theta Alpine - recent posts are slightly towny
Peregrine - maybe towny I guess?
Kitty Trauma Team - nullread, maybe towny for 1219
WhemeStar - scummy, but maybe town.

[below this line indicates good lims]

Emperor flippyNips - not much content, slightly scummy
Enchant - still quite scummy actually
Students of Prudence - their posts have scummy vibes
Here There Be Dragons - extremely good at blending in, still scummy though
frogs - the lack of effort while not under pressure is

extremely

concerning!

[Scum]

VOTE: frogs

VOTE: Students of Prudence

E-2

Yeah I do indeed believe Students is scum and is a worthy lim

[Frogs]

I did not get that impression you were selling it as an actual read

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you said i was towny but you made up reasons to swap the read

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anyway frogs is scum because of very low effort while not under pressure

lmao

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name one reason why you think I'm locktown becuase idk why you read me that way lol

??????????

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name one reason why you think I'm locktown becuase idk why you read me that way lol

??????????

why do you townread me if you think I'm scum for some arcane reason?

i point out what I see

[Frogs]

r u going to claim this is some kind of arcane wolf tactic

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ur voting history is garbage

[Frogs]

Spoiler:

Welcome to the aether

VOTE: Here There Be Dragons

and that is why we're in the aether somehow

Students of Prudence does not feel towny to me initially with the reaction in 36

VOTE: Students of Prudence

ur asking me how i read a hydra?
I will wait for cephrir and std to get serious before analyzing them.
I think ur being a bit too try hard right now and reading non indicative things as townie. Think u need more serious content for actual reads

me being myself isn't alignment indicative

okay

but if I don't have reads then what am I even supposed to do this game?! just keep posting RVS fluff and wait for something that warrants a read stronger than infinitesimal?

The prudence read boils down to slightly scummy reaction, I can't go back to an RVS vote if I have a real vote

It's an real vote still? Didn't you vote them for something you in your very next post claim wasn't a good reasoning to scumread them after all?

yeah but I still voted for that reason and had no other scumreads at that time

Eh, only seen their town game. So the initial ping was just 'TL doing TL things'. Guess that would be more null, but I didn't agree with whoever it was who said it pinged scummy.

But I do agree you are the bigger threat to all mankind.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

I get the impression this is pushing a policy lim - care to share your reasoning for scumreading Firebringer?

UNVOTE:

alright, fair enough

VOTE: Frogs

okay that reaction from whemestar suggests an associative

And before that post from Lich he has brought up 0 times that he scumreads me and the only read he has given of me is an initial town read so I’m not sure why he thinks it’s associative

Vote lich up let’s go woot woot

okay now you're just openwolfing

VOTE: WhemeStar

and bear in mind an associative makes

both

parties look scummy, your deflection is obvious

I am still confused by 372 and it just seems like unwarranted shade thrown at Klick

so idk, my townread on peregrine was based on 145 being a good post

pedit: yeah theta alpine is scummy so a vote there would be good

VOTE: Theta Alpine

note that WhemeStar is still scummy

550 is very OMGUS and I don't think frogs is intending to give any reads

VOTE: frogs

another sort of catchup, because I'm close to 24 hours without posting:

565 is not a good post as it suggests frogs wants to either lim or put pressure on firebringer for an unspecified reason

peregrine seemed slightly towny on page 23

584 is an okay read list (idk if the read list is ordered or not, I prefer ordered read lists as relative scumminess is more important than absolute scumminess), I can see town making that read list

585 feels OMGUSy

frogs has NAI vibes on page 24

602 seems to be posted with a scummy mindset, especially the part about not wanting to be mislimmed (only town can be mislimmed by definition, so frogs wants to appear town-aligned)

605 is worth a question posed to both Klick and Enchant: why do you think Theta is worth a high confidence townread?

608 feels like a townspew but idk why

yeah Enchant is scummy on page 25, so voting there is good

626 is a scummy post

VOTE: Enchant

while frogs is starting to maybe be scummy town, Enchant is likely scummy scum

yet another sort of catchup because I somehow keep needing these type of posts...

yeah Doctor Drew is towny, 658 and 662 are good posts

wheme using the joke defense screams scum

frogs did post a read list in 672 so my assessment that frogs is scummy town is more confident now

enchant is scummy on page 28 as well

you said my posts on pg 24 were NAI; how does this then lead you to us being scummy town?

-Cakez

page 25 is when I started thinking that

and oh wow enchant just randomly claims neighbor with a partner for no good reason?!

VOTE: WhemeStar

I want to be confident a claimed neighbor is actually scum before voting, sorry

and such a hasty claim probably means enchant is town (though Klick is also likely town)

VOTE: Enchant

WhemeStar also claimed neighbor now, and is starting to show a town mindset especially with the reads post in 811

oh and I'm still voting Enchant, better change that...

VOTE: WhemeStar

still scummy, and defensiveness isn't a towntell afaik

VOTE: frogs

maybe I tunneled too hard on wheme

frogs is a good vote imo

okay... a lot of effort out of the aether from frogs and frogs now seems towny

VOTE: Students of Prudence

students of prudence does not appear to be towny to me... can't really think of a reason students of prudence could be town

here's a lead rist again, since the Day will end soon:

[Town]

NorwegianboyEE - thoughtstreaming a town mindset, confident in townreading
Klick - clear town mindset
Firebringer - towny but somewhat provocative
Ranger - the non-lead rist posts show a town mindset
Doctor Drew - towny but I somehow am thinking "potential deepwolf" for some arcane reason
Theta Alpine - recent posts are slightly towny
Peregrine - maybe towny I guess?
Kitty Trauma Team - nullread, maybe towny for 1219
WhemeStar - scummy, but maybe town.

[below this line indicates good lims]

Emperor flippyNips - not much content, slightly scummy
Enchant - still quite scummy actually
Students of Prudence - their posts have scummy vibes
Here There Be Dragons - extremely good at blending in, still scummy though
frogs - the lack of effort while not under pressure is

extremely

concerning!

[Scum]

VOTE: frogs

VOTE: Students of Prudence

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Yeah I do indeed believe Students is scum and is a worthy lim

amazing vote history very cool

; P

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ya so boon is going to have to fix that

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pedit: my voting history was towny because I was voting at end of day

no??????????????????
wolves will vote town at EoD and more often than not they'll opt for an elimination over not eliminating

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and theta was not voting at end of day

wow amazing

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its stupid, if wolves opt to not eliminate, town is going to secure an elim anyways, so why not just use their numbers to decide the elim and force down what they want

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I don't know what you're trying to prove by saying because you're voting and 1 flipped wolf wasn't that you're some beacon of towniness but no that is in fact not how mafia works

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because people would look on-wagon for scum especially if there is a quickhammer

uh huh ya I'm totally buying this

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wolves like voting they are going to vote

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uh huh im sure you would

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this logic of "well wolves didn't vote so they must not be voting" sucks

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I...cannot even...

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i think wolves are playing the game
you seem to press they are not playing the game ig

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vote: Enchant

WE ARE A ONE SHOT VIG / ONE SHOT TRACKER


WE KILLED THETA AND NOW WE'RE COUNTERCLAIMING YOU

the guilty was very obviously fake can you put your vote down

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Yes i know that but the guilty was very obviously fake can you put your vote down

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you seem uninformed fire seems uninformed

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I am tracker, Klick visited Whemestar.

this is actually a tracker inno considering Whemestar's flip

lmao

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Detective Darryl <3

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kitty shot theta apparently

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Kitty Hydra claimed 1-shot gun 1-shot track and claimed to shoot theta

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Kitty Hydra claimed 1-shot gun 1-shot track and claimed to shoot theta

Cool.

Mafia kill still disabled then though.

we'll find out if that's the case tonight then no

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No offense but you suck

I believe in fact that you trying to steal towncred with shitty 1-shot vig claim more than fact that mafia decided to shot whemestar out of blue.

you fakeclaimed a guilty

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how in the same breath do you say someone sucks when you fakeclaim a guilty

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you fakeclaimed a guilty
do you want me to get the post about fakeclaiming guilties

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When should I fake a guilty investigation result as town?
Never.

When can I fake a guilty without everyone breaking my limbs in the postgame?
1) If you're an information role with a positive investigation result (such as a gunsmith guilty) and think claiming a different role and result (like a cop guilty or a track to the nightkill victim) will catch the Mafia in a lie or trick them into making suboptimal night actions. Prepare to out a useful power role if whatever you claimed is also in the game.
2) As a lame reaction test that you retract long before the object of your "guilty" is even close to a lynch. That means your retraction should come within twenty-four hours of your claim, or within twenty-four minutes if you're playing a dramonic game. Even then, expect to draw suspicion unless you're an innocent child, in which case people will just bitch at you for wasting their time with something so stupid.
3) If you're not town and can't read the thread title. You're in the wrong place. Go find a handy FAQ on Faking Cop Guilties as Mafia, Lynchers, and Jesters instead.

What other good reasons are there to fake a guilty?
1) You feel like committing account suicide.
2) Getting blacklisted and trashing your reputation on this site sound like your thing, since faking a guilty is just about the fastest way for a respected player to do that.
3) You've hacked mafiascum and know everyone's alignment, in which case we appreciate the help in making your cheating more obvious.

When should I not fake a guilty?
Pretty much always.

When should I REALLY not fake a guilty?
1) As an excuse to policy-lynch someone you don't like.
2) To "shake things up" because the town is playing terribly.
3) After someone has come forward with information making it impossible for your claim to be true.
4) Above all...when you're just sooooo confident in your target's guilt that you're terrified the player will slip away from you if you don't lie to the town for its own good.

But if I think he's scum, why is it a bad thing for the town to lynch him?
Firstly, anyone has a roughly 25% chance of being scum. You could argue someone you want lynched has a better shot, but don't you think towns would have a much higher win rate if scumreads were accurate enough to make confidently risking the game on a single suspicion at a snapshot in time a viable strategy?

But even if you attach a statistically meaningless number like 40% to a player's odds of guilt, then that's a 40% chance you're right and a player who would have probably been lynched down the line dies today--with less discussion, and fewer links to the scumteam. And you might get nightkilled (which anyone halfway competent can achieve without a fakeclaim), or maybe draw the roleblocker.

On the 60% chance you're wrong...you've chained two guaranteed mislynches together, scum can coast for weeks, what little discussion there is for two game days is based on false assumptions, you potentially out the cop, you kill town's enjoyment and morale by destroying everything they've worked for on a selfish whim, causing them to throw their hands up and say, "Fuck this game!", the town's collective rage triggers multiple coronaries, aneurysms, and hospital trips, and everyone hates you and responds to any post you make from now on with, "Oh, look, it's the cancer to this site." The risk isn't worth the reward.

Secondly, your target doesn't really have a 25% chance of being scum. In fact, it's much lower. Why?

If you are faking a guilty, then you are incompetent and therefore wrong.

What? That's unfair! I'm offended that you just called me incompetent.
Sorry. I'm sure you're a lovely person with lots of redeeming qualities, but it was time someone broke the news to you.

I don't believe you. I'm awesome! Look at this game where I carried the town hardcore.
I could check, but I don't actually need to read it to guess that you weren't competent there. It's a proven scientific fact that someone who fakes cop guilties doesn't have the necessary critical faculties to identify objectively "good" play, particularly not their own. (Look, I even have a citation!) Odds are the town either lynched you for being a jackass, you had no effect on the final result, or you're cherry-picking a game where you happened to be on two scum wagons while in the rest of them you were either dead weight or an active obstruction to your win condition.

But Mina, I've never faked a guilty before.
That doesn't matter. Giving serious consideration to faking one is enough to invalidate your judgment.

What if I'm a serious, reasonable, mostly sane poster? People add me to their twelve-players-and-a-mod lists in GTKAS. No one has ever called me a cancer to this site after playing with me. This one time, someone even nominated me for the prestigious Best Town Performance Scummie, and another person seconded it. I think it's safe to say I'm at least competent. So doesn't that mean I can fake a guilty, just this once?
Sorry, but you're asking me that question. That's proof in itself you're not competent. Whether it's because you were never competent and it finally manifested itself or just because you're having a psychotic break is a question best left for the philosophers.

Wait, remember the time this one dude called that other dude scum, but then the first dude was nightkilled, everyone forgot about him, and the second dude was Mafia and coasted to a win? Imagine how differently that game would have gone IF THE FIRST DUDE HAD FAKED A GUILTY. Wouldn't that have been awesome?
Yes, but read the first dude in isolation. Was he right about every person he called scum? Even if he was voting correctly 70% of the time he was alive, he'd have fucked himself over by claiming a guilty during that 30% window.

On a site as large as mafiascum, finding instances of players who are right about something (even in a game that's a scum steamroll) isn't a challenge. That doesn't change that the probability of a fake guilty gambit having disastrous consequences is much higher than that of gaining a moderate reward.

Besides, those players who were ignored despite nailing a scumbag for all the right reasons were competent players. That's why they did not fake guilty investigation results. You are not a competent player. Haven't we already established this?

That's bullshit. This one time, I faked a guilty on someone who was actually guilty!
How many times have you faked guilties on people who were innocent?

Only six.
Go away.

Screw you. I'll develop a meta of always faking guilties. This way, I won't get lynched for them.
Good luck with that. It won't help, because the people who know you do this will refuse to play with you.

Then I'll just poison the entire site's meta so that multiple people in the same game will wind up nightkilled despite getting innocents lynched through fake investigation results.
Then either town will never win a game again or all roleclaims will be ignored and treated like gambits.

Okay, fine. I admit it. I'm incompetent. But can't incompetent people still be right sometimes? Look at all the VIs whose accurate reads get laughed at because no one's persuaded by "our benevolent alien overlords interfered with the government's mind control rays to transmit a message that we should lynch Mina." No one will listen to me unless I lie.
Faking a guilty takes a special kind of incompetence, less to do with lack of charisma or of intelligible thought processes than with your brain creating an illusion of accuracy. There's a reason confirmation bias is called a bias. If you're confident enough to fake a guilty even though doing so is really, really stupid, then you should recheck your work, because the source of that confidence probably isn't rational.

Wow! Thanks to your guidance and verbal abuse (not to mention radiance, intelligence, and incomparable beauty), I have seen the error of my ways. So now that I don't want to fake a guilty anymore, can I still be competent?
Depends. Are you using this as an excuse to rationalize going through with your gambit anyway?

...Maybe?
Nice try.

Fine, you win. I just deleted my post with the fake roleclaim that I'd been about to submit. What should I do now, Mina?
The person you were going to fake a guilty on is confirmed town. Treat him as such for the rest of the game.

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this is why there should be a forum wide sensor on the l word btw holy jesus

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this is for the people who haven't seen this most likely: viewtopic.php?t=36231

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Suuuuuuuuuure buddy, you know what, I'll bust out the vtuber model and everything

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Ah yes, weeb teaching me about fakeguilties is what i needed.

I am working on a video just for u
I was editing it and then bullshit happened so I am going to bed and it is now tomorrows problem

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Paint them as low hanging fruit?!

Are you fucking blind?

I'm trying to FUCKING KILL THEM.

-k

Dude, it’s impossible for Klick to have visited where
The guilty is fake

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Wheme*
I jailed Klick to hood them

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Anyway the enchant’s guilty literally cannot be true and I will go back to editing soon

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Their claim likely isn’t true either

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Honestly I can’t even tell if how they’re acting here is how a wolf acts or not
In general I just have no idea and I haven’t put in the brain power yet

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Can I see detective Darryl white board?