Pokemon Battles 2 - Attack on Giratina [GAME OVER]

[Flavor Leaf]

is black gonna realize arguing with flavor does nothing at some point

I don't care what it does. If someone has an incorrect scumread on me I will defend myself

I got the gift of gab, what can I say.

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I just don't think Black is scum. Meuh has both Ranger and Dr Drew on it. Realistically, Rathr has too many defenders at this point. Pink Ball sucks.

I'm not starting a new wagon and my favorite is not going to happen.

So I don't mind settling for Cakez. Null scum is better than town.

If you think all 4 of these main wagons are town, you probably need to reassess the game.

Cakez is one of my stronger town reads, and at the very least Cakez can get easy to POE as the game goes on.

The Cakez wagon imo is the worst wagon of all of em here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly, only reason I’m not scum reading Pink is because I like them, and I think it makes sense for them to be town destructive here.

However, I know they’re good enough to fake a town destructive game as well, but they do not inherently look townie.

[Flavor Leaf]

As soon as all these stat things come into play, my minds gonna check it on that regard until like late late game when it all finally clicks for me if I’m alive.

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I think I'd rather vote pink ball over anyone else that has more than 1 vote besides rathe.

Yeah, same if I can’t get Black wagon more traction.

Just a high info slot that has scum merit.

[Flavor Leaf]

FB how about you stop hiding behind a “gut read” on me and actually do something

ohh wait do u scumread me now

No, I want you to do something with your vote

Pink, your wagon is a good vote. Full stop.

Even as town you gotta see that.

You don’t have to be happy about it, but like, come on.

[Flavor Leaf]

Let’s just go Pink Ball.

VOTE: Pink Ball

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FL is just scum huh, then yeah it makes sense why this game is so fucking dumb

I’ve been gone for like 5 days

[Flavor Leaf]

I told everyone when this game started I was VLA until Sunday.

I also called Cakez town since like Page 30.

Like I actively called out Black when they pushed Cakez earlier.

[Flavor Leaf]

I was just tired of the constant nagging on FB for something is trivial as them just having their vote on them.

Who cares if someone scum reads you in a 23 player game. It’s gonna happen

[Flavor Leaf]

You were VLA until Sunday, you did nothing until Tuesday PM when something relevant to your team was happening.

This confirms everything: Rathe and Meu are town, Black is town, FL and Cakez are scum

I was tired! I had like 16 hour work days. And I feel like I was catching my footing here.

Convenient you wait to push me until after I vote you.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh, Rathe is Blue?

Yeah, that’s town.

Okay, i thought I was gonna have to read Rathe more.

Black or Pink Ball today, Rathe and Cakez wagons are mid.

[Flavor Leaf]

have i mentioned this is an alisae game

Anybody simply vibing in this game gonna get a free pass until later.

Let’s get our all the anti vibers.

Maybe we can policy Squirtle later after Pink Ball.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t give a fuck about FB scumreading me, I give a fuck about him voteparking me and doing nothing else.

You said it yourself, there are 22 players, show some fucking consideration and cooperate with them to get a wagon to the end

You are one of the leading candidates, though.

Black, Pink Ball, Cakez, Rathe, Meuh are the 5 candidates it seems.

I like Cakez, Blue was a homie. I went through my Meuh phase, and left onto Black.

Why are you mad at FB and not someone like Not Mafia or Enchant?

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh, Rathe is Blue?

Yeah, that’s town.

Okay, i thought I was gonna have to read Rathe more.

Black or Pink Ball today, Rathe and Cakez wagons are mid.

You haven't read any of patchwork's posts and you have no idea who has replaced who. I don't think anyone should be trusting your opinion on the gamestate tbh

Good discredit.

But Rathe replaced Blue.

and of the 5 leading candidates, only Meuh replaced in, and they’re more neutral than a town read.

So this is just you talking to talk, which is cool, but hope you weren’t trying to do something with it

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Granted I only have experience with PB in Demon Slayer(I think?).

Not used to their aggressive, and their push on FL seems so contrived.

And I don't fully trust FL, but I will give them a little bit of a longer leash.

#vibez

Just trust me until Day 5

[Flavor Leaf]

If I planned this VLA specifically to come back in and save Cakez in advance, I’d be a scum god

[Flavor Leaf]

Man, Not Mafia is such a weak Day 1 fade.

Players like Not Mafia and Whemestar are like bonkers easy to read late game.

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It’s also poor because Pink Ball and Doctor Drew both know that I get post heavy and I pounce to get myself back into games.

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Not Mafia is so easy to read after information is in the game. Why would anyone shoot themselves in their foot day 1 and kill them?

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VOTE: Black

Still think Pink Ball is the right fade, but I’ll go back to Black.

[Flavor Leaf]

Not Mafia wagon is like lazy af, and judging a little bit on those votes on a play level

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It’s also poor because Pink Ball and Doctor Drew both know that I get post heavy and I pounce to get myself back into games.

I said I was giving you time to do your thing my man.

Watch out or I’ll pounce on ya

[Flavor Leaf]

I am having fun too.

And I still kinda think Pink is scum as well

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Lol, LLD super scummy entrance

VOTE: LLD

Just got that ‘i just replaced into a scum slot under pressure’ energy

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Pure gut

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In addition to Pink Ball stuff

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Whelp, that MG wagon has multiple scum on it. Mark my words.

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I mean, you're wrong, but you should be used to that by now FL?

Nothing wrong with being wrong, all about the outcome it leads to.

I have probably caught more scum than anyone on this site, and have a pretty damn high win %.

[Flavor Leaf]

Today's wagons are Black and Magical Girl. Consolidate.

GIF is obv town and has been

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VOTE: Black

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I still want LLD more but I don’t think that’s going to go anywhere so whatever I don’t know how like 5 of you were find jumping on a magical girl wagon that LLD started when they haven’t even read the game

Easy. At least 1 who sheeped LLD is scum, probably including LLD.

[Flavor Leaf]

Klick saying LLD is town so sheep them after they had read probs less than 20 pages is a really weird take by Klick.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like I can see a town LLD world, don’t get me wrong, but the way Klick did it was odd, and super motivated.

Like why is that the one that people started to follow Klick from rather than anything other.

Don’t get it twisted, LLD might have chosen Magical Girl, but Klick’s stamp got it going.

[Flavor Leaf]

If you didn’t know, Rathe is Blue

[Flavor Leaf]

Wait, wasn't the first thing that scum shea do in TM was also heavily FOS and poke and prod on Black before he pocketed her

Sensing a theme.

I am pretty sure I found black as town pretty early this game.

Also I was heavily suspicious of her almost the entirety of the dragons newbie game that just ended.

I think I just tend to naturally be suspicious of her playstyle and made a concerted effort to look past the playstyle this game.

I dont think there was ever a point this game where I was seriously sussing black though so this is a weird post where it seems like you're trying to make a narrative fit a conclusion.

Until they flip town, you did not find them as town

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Basically this game has been a revolving door of like 8 names over and over again the whole day and as soon as any of them gain any real traction klick comes in and says they're town and then everyone unvotes them and the next name gets brought up again and I am so tired of it.

I think this is either indicative of ScumKlick protecting a combination of townies or a scum partner.

Or Scum manipulating the game around TownKlick’s decision.

Too early to tell which, and scum don’t have to be doing that consciously, of course, but yeah

[Flavor Leaf]

I dont think I gave you an ultimatum. I was intending it as an olive branch for you to work with me if you're town. If you don't wanna you don't wanna.

My ability to get what I want this game is roughly zero so unless y'all land on one of my town reads I don't particularly care anymore.

Well when you are voting me and calling me scum.

And then you say "if you are town vote this"

It reads as an ultimatum of "I'm killing you unless you help me kill this other slot I like more".

You new to Mafia?

[Flavor Leaf]

Solution: yeet Klick

Good luck trying to fade Klick.

[Flavor Leaf]

I dont think I gave you an ultimatum. I was intending it as an olive branch for you to work with me if you're town. If you don't wanna you don't wanna.

My ability to get what I want this game is roughly zero so unless y'all land on one of my town reads I don't particularly care anymore.

Well when you are voting me and calling me scum.

And then you say "if you are town vote this"

It reads as an ultimatum of "I'm killing you unless you help me kill this other slot I like more".

You new to Mafia?

Yup. And I'm already better than you. Wasn't hard, really. All I had to do was roll a dice and vote for who it landed on, and I am already doing better than you are on a good day.

I got a super high win % and caught a bunch of scum, and won a lot of scum games, so must be doing something right :shrug:

[Flavor Leaf]

I dont think I gave you an ultimatum. I was intending it as an olive branch for you to work with me if you're town. If you don't wanna you don't wanna.

My ability to get what I want this game is roughly zero so unless y'all land on one of my town reads I don't particularly care anymore.

Well when you are voting me and calling me scum.

And then you say "if you are town vote this"

It reads as an ultimatum of "I'm killing you unless you help me kill this other slot I like more".

You new to Mafia?

Yup. And I'm already better than you. Wasn't hard, really. All I had to do was roll a dice and vote for who it landed on, and I am already doing better than you are on a good day.

i think this is cap, and not even you believe what you're saying.

just looks like try hard taunting.

[Flavor Leaf]

I dont think I gave you an ultimatum. I was intending it as an olive branch for you to work with me if you're town. If you don't wanna you don't wanna.

My ability to get what I want this game is roughly zero so unless y'all land on one of my town reads I don't particularly care anymore.

Well when you are voting me and calling me scum.

And then you say "if you are town vote this"

It reads as an ultimatum of "I'm killing you unless you help me kill this other slot I like more".

You new to Mafia?

Yup. And I'm already better than you. Wasn't hard, really. All I had to do was roll a dice and vote for who it landed on, and I am already doing better than you are on a good day.

I got a super high win % and caught a bunch of scum, and won a lot of scum games, so must be doing something right :shrug:

Aww, did I hurt your widdle ego b'y?

Muffin.

No, I don't get hurt by things people say about/to me, I'm pretty thick skinned.

[Flavor Leaf]

I got a super high win % and caught a bunch of scum, and won a lot of scum games, so must be doing something right :shrug:

Bro I'm 9-3 and I suck at this game. So what

i think you're pretty good at the game from what I've seen this day phase.

[Flavor Leaf]

Playing with FL is kind of like playing with chatGPT that you have told to randomize its scum and town reads but still just post about how great it is all the time.

Oh shit! Natural 20!

Beat that FL.

it was accurate for Day 1. I'm a late game town powerhouse. I've lost like very little late games as town. Lol, most of them have been this year, but I'm in my out of retirement play for fun days now.

[Flavor Leaf]

i think you're pretty good at the game from what I've seen this day phase.

Assume I'm town for just a second. Do you still think this?

yeah, you're probably fine. I like the way you use tactics in-game either alignment.

I'm not even like confident youre scum or anything, just where i'm at right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

So to recap.

Yes I'm taunting you.

Yes, you deserve it and it is pro-town to do so.

Yes, I'm having fun with it.

That's okay, I taunt myself too.

End of the day, you're more likely to blow up and get all mad than me in this game, so whatever it takes to keep you happy in this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think your taunting is leaning covering up you having to do any actual analysis.

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and it makes you memorable and looks like you're doing something.

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I shouldn't cheerlead this tbh. The pissing contest isn't helping the day end.

they're pissing, i'm collecting it for dna and analysing it.

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I’ll tell people and show people lol

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But people just like to see the surface level of what’s in front of their face, they don’t see the little puppet strings getting ready to pounce on unsuspected scum

[Flavor Leaf]

LLD acting up is fake, by the way.

It’s just a self preservation tactic

[Flavor Leaf]

I dont get the point of this convo, do u think this is scummy of me

Black’s scum, sheep

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s Black/LLD pretty blatantly for me right now

[Flavor Leaf]

Sheep/Skygazer/Chandra/Klick/Flavor Leaf are in my town bin here

SquirtleSquad too actually

I’ll vote anyone not there

If Klick is town, Meuh might have the best reads in the game right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sheep’s coming off as townie to me right now. Black is doing to Sheep what Pink was doing to Firebringer, and it’s just not coming from town, it’s coming from scum who’s trying to save their own asses

[Flavor Leaf]

And LLD ran off and hid right when they felt they were getting the worse end of the stick in the 1v1.

Scum retreat.

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Sheep’s coming off as townie to me right now. Black is doing to Sheep what Pink was doing to Firebringer, and it’s just not coming from town, it’s coming from scum who’s trying to save their own asses

You're talking out of your ass rn

It’s quite a talent tbh. When my ass can find scum, mafia’s just become too easy

[Flavor Leaf]

Vote Black sheep.

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Let Papa Leaf take the wheel

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And LLD ran off and hid right when they felt they were getting the worse end of the stick in the 1v1.

Scum retreat.

Not everyone sits here and presses F5 all day like you my guy. Now it just feels like you're trying to piss people off on purpose

Just an added bonus.

I’m a mobile poster mostly.

[Flavor Leaf]

Bruh consider that I have to dilate 3 times a day and my life does not revolve around the least likable person in this game.

Sure it does

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And LLD ran off and hid right when they felt they were getting the worse end of the stick in the 1v1.

Scum retreat.

Not everyone sits here and presses F5 all day like you my guy. Now it just feels like you're trying to piss people off on purpose

And y’all say this garbage like I’m supposed to just let my 2 biggest scum reads try to run the game.

Y’all just silly

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I'm trying to decide if I want MG and if their give up post is scum or town or if I want Meuh.

Convenient after I just stated that Meuh probably has the best reads in the game.

Now I know that’s probably true, and scum want Meuh because they got too good of town reads.

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Like don’t go and taunt me over and over and expect me not to retaliate.

Don’t ask for the Leaf if ya can’t take the Beef.

I 1v2 the two of you scum in my sleep.

Now I’m just waiting for your scum team to come in and damage control.

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God the egotism

FL get a fucking life dude

My life’s better than it ever has been. Just directed a film with 15+ crew members.

I’m on a cloud 9.

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And y’all say this garbage like I’m supposed to just let my 2 biggest scum reads try to run the game.

Y’all just silly

I said it because not responding to you immediately after you post isn't scummy. Don't make up some fake narrative

This has zero correlation to the post you made.

LLD comes to taunt me, you come to do backup.

I had stated both of you were my scum reads prior to you lot acting like this.


At this point, the two of you are just salty you’re getting scum read and doing all you can to get pressure off of you.

But I’m adding fuel to the fire because I see that tactic from a mile away

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I 1v2 the two of you scum in my sleep.

Yeah man look at all the votes pouring in on us. You're so compelling!

You’re one of the biggest wagons, what’re you talking about.

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Like don’t go and taunt me over and over and expect me not to retaliate.

Don’t ask for the Leaf if ya can’t take the Beef.

I 1v2 the two of you scum in my sleep.

Now I’m just waiting for your scum team to come in and damage control.

I know you think this makes you look cool but it just reminds me of how many lockers you got shoved in as a kid.

I was pretty popular in high school, and was the type to protect any kids from that type of thing.

Bottom of your hearts, ya know this too.

End of the day, the two of you are being far ruder than I am.

Im strictly playing the game, the two of you trying to make it personal.

[Flavor Leaf]

could we just direct all negativity towards me

i will be the town sponge if it means we can have a chill game

I can be the town sponge too, I don’t mind.

If the two of them feel the need to personal attack, so be it.

You can look at my posts, and not once do I ever attack a player personally.

Very rarely in my entire 10 year stunt have I.

Have I?

Yes. Most of it was in my jaded era 2020-2021, but for the most part, I am strictly in-game.

But people can’t handle in-game heat so they try to make it personal.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'll make it personal. FL is an insufferable git. Thats not related to anyones alignment, its just NAI.

Exactly.

And I’ve already given my thoughts on how you play in Team Mafia 2020.

_____

I’ll say it right here, and it’ll be one of the few statements on personal play I’ll make negatively.

Like if you have to resort to full on personal insults from getting scum read, you need to up your game.

I said absolutely nothing bad about LLD on a personal level, and they go into “i bet you got shoved into a bunch of lockers in school”

And then you all go and say I’m the one doing something bad because I’m doing something as trivial as posting a lot?

When is this ever okay?

And, mind you, I am and have been stating that LLD slot and Black were my two scum reads PRIOR to all of this happening, so they’re coming after me, and getting mad because I’m pushing them and ‘have an ego’?

Who gives a fuck if I post with an ego in games?

Show me a post where I specifically state that I am better than anyone else?

You can’t.

Don’t project your inferiority complexes onto me because I am comfortable and confident as a person.

On top of that, it’s about ego-centric posts in a Mafia game. Literally in a Mafia game.

Do you see me ever posting like that outside of there? Find one or two times where I exhibit any sort of ego outside of a game. You can’t because I don’t.

And just because when I’m here I post with that type of line, you all act like I’m pushing you down by raising myself up.

I never resort to pushing people down, and actively try to bring people up.

I am always touting players and their strengths, but people come after me like I’ve just done some absolutely terrible thing when I say some type of sarcastic cocky line.

The amount of times I’ve seen so many of you here say some absolutely reprehensible and toxic things to each other is disgusting, and I can count on one hand the amount of games I’ve done that in my 10 year run here on site, and with each time, I feel like I’ve been able to repair most of the relationships that that happened with over time.

I don’t insult people.

I don’t push anyone down.

I raise myself up, and for some reason that triggers people to come after me on a personal level and target me with so many attacks, and frankly, that’s something that I never do to anyone.

And yet, if that’s what make me disliked, so be it. I know who I am, I know the game of Mafia with a track record to prove it, and I will not resort to pushing people down to like so many of you who are absolutely terrible in your words to one another.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL, you can stop lumping me in with LLD. I made one comment that could even be considered remotely rude and it was "you're talking out of your ass". I have not made anything personal. So stop misrepping me like this, please. I fully agree with this:

Like if you have to resort to full on personal insults from getting scum read, you need to up your game.

And I don't think that's what's happening here, at least from me,

at all

Yeah, sorry.

I do like you as a player pretty heavy. Are you new besides those 11 games on your record?

[Flavor Leaf]

I'll make it personal. FL is an insufferable git. Thats not related to anyones alignment, its just NAI.

Exactly.

And I’ve already given my thoughts on how you play in Team Mafia 2020.

All you did in that game is stick your fingers up your own ass and then sniff them repeatedly while talking about how good they smelled.

We’ll if the shoe fits

[Flavor Leaf]

FL, you can stop lumping me in with LLD. I made one comment that could even be considered remotely rude and it was "you're talking out of your ass". I have not made anything personal. So stop misrepping me like this, please. I fully agree with this:

Like if you have to resort to full on personal insults from getting scum read, you need to up your game.

And I don't think that's what's happening here, at least from me,

at all

Yeah I don't know why you are lumped with me beyond narrative?

I'm purposefully treating him how he treats others and enjoying it. I'll own whatever he wants to call me, I don't mind it. I know I'm staying in the boundaries of the rules of the website while I do this. Maybe the locker thing was over the line just slightly. I'll try and keep my commentary a little less personal.

You completely just missed the point.

I just never talk or insult people like that.

I don’t care about anything analysis wise shading me, but I don’t insult people.

Ever.

I’ll give people heat. Heats fine. Tickle thorns are fine. We’re playing a Mafia game.

But insults, just stop. Everyone, there is no need to insult in games ever. Full stop.

[Flavor Leaf]

I enjoy you too Norwegian

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Klick deferring to FL is weird

Regardless of whatever else is happening his accuracy is very high

He's also not the only one I'm trying to defer to

Not used to seeing you come out with takes this bad!

What is bad about it specifically
I could see this going one of two directions and I have thoughts on both

It's the one that would drag the discussion back to a negative place, so I don't see it helping right now.

Bruh, if you’re implying I don’t catch scum, that’s just laughable.

The game you literally replaced out of with Schadd, the scum team constantly talked about how big a threat I was, and they tried to kill me Night 1, I got protected, and then they killed me Night 2.

I even hard caught out ScumKittt day 1 there.

This is a pure discrediting attempt that might come from scum who wants the game against me :lol;

Like it’s not even opinion. If you think I can’t catch scum, you’re just plain proven wrong.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Klick - you’re getting pushed down for some reason by people, and it’s like significant and scum motivated imo

[Flavor Leaf]

A lot of times my arguments against people are just pure discredit attempts because there’s really no other reason to do it if you aren’t trying to discredit.

If you’re making personal stuff for personal reason, like come on, just get better and play the game in the game.

You say it in game, it’s a discredit attempt.

Say it outside of games, fine, but things like that effect game so if you’re saying shit like that just to say it, it’s just poor play

[Flavor Leaf]

Suffice to say, we fade on the Magical Girl wagon here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Suffice to say, we fade on the Magical Girl wagon here.

You can try. I plan on scumhunting.

I don't see the difference in what you're trying to say.

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Like, the wagon is suspicious, but I don't see the need to artificially limit myself to that group.

Still not seeing the difference. Bet you 3 ish scum are on that wagon.

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VOTE: LLD

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: LLD

Why?

Read last day phase.

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I could go Black as well. Klick kill implies Klick and I were on the right path, imo.

[Flavor Leaf]

idk about LLD, PB's rage felt genuine enough but that might not be as AI as I think it is

It was genuine. Genuine does not equal town, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

But LLD's posting towards me yesterday is not town. It was purely there to discredit.

And Klick, one of the power players who were supporting me, got killed off?

Yeah, okay.

[Flavor Leaf]

Pink Ball looked like they were annoyed Firebringer was right on them for wrong reasons and not doing anything else.

[Flavor Leaf]

Klick deferring to FL is weird

Regardless of whatever else is happening his accuracy is very high

He's also not the only one I'm trying to defer to

I don't know if the first part is true

I'm also not sure about the second part but maybe you are. I noticed FL because I'm wary of him

My main thing with FL atm is that I'd be expecting a large amount more from him if he were scum here. If this is his scum game it's a really fucking deflated version of it. Not in terms of time spent but in terms of, like, zeal. I don't think he's pushing himself *enough* to be scum.

Absolutely a big reason Klick died. They had a strong town read on me, and was actively defending me. Scum are in the people who were trying to discredit me.

Full stop.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm intentionally showing a lack of regard for all but my strongest townreads in favor of sheeping someone who is more likely to be right than me

Why do you think FL is more likely to be right than you?

All but my strongest townreads are fairly weak
I have no genuine feelings of any high significance towards anyone actually being scum
I think it's fairly likely that there's scum in my leaning town section

I also much much prefer sheeping an individual with high accuracy to decide a lim rather than letting a town majority choose a lim on its own because the former is more likely to hit scum

Klick deferring to FL is weird

Regardless of whatever else is happening his accuracy is very high

He's also not the only one I'm trying to defer to

Klick dying directly lowered my position in this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Pink Ball looked like they were annoyed Firebringer was right on them for wrong reasons and not doing anything else.

I could see this. I won't be able to get on board with your you-centric view of game events, but I can work with more concrete things.

That's because you don't want to, though, not because of not being legit analysis around it. My playstyle is a lightning rod, and people react around it. Scum try to guide my pounce and rally potential away from them.

I'm in my slot, so I can see it, so my goal is to find ways to get people to see where my perspective is at.

[Flavor Leaf]

METENS WAS A DAY 1 VOTE THAT I WANTED AND IT IS CURRENTLY NOT ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW FOR DAY 2

1) when did u get to decide the table
2) why not

d
Because you guys can't be trusted anymore so im taking charge. I rly believe LLD is scum and am very annoyed that htey came into the game under pressure and stiil was able to lead a dumb wagon and people still just blindly followed because they just wanted to "end the day." Now LLD can come into the thread making excuses that the wagon wasnt theyre fault because they haven't even read the game and you guys will still let them get away with it for 0 reason

If LLD is not scum, scum abused the Pink Ball/LLD situation to get momentum onto a wagon and pushed it through. That wagon is scum infested.

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METENS WAS A DAY 1 VOTE THAT I WANTED AND IT IS CURRENTLY NOT ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW FOR DAY 2

1) when did u get to decide the table
2) why not

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Because you guys can't be trusted anymore so im taking charge. I rly believe LLD is scum and am very annoyed that htey came into the game under pressure and stiil was able to lead a dumb wagon and people still just blindly followed because they just wanted to "end the day." Now LLD can come into the thread making excuses that the wagon wasnt theyre fault because they haven't even read the game and you guys will still let them get away with it for 0 reason

If LLD is not scum, scum abused the Pink Ball/LLD situation to get momentum onto a wagon and pushed it through. That wagon is scum infested.

Saving Rathe or creating another miselimination?

Probably saving Black instead of Rathe.

I don't see RatheScum like everyone else apparently does. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought Blue was super townie.

Squirtle and Black kinda look like they double teamed Blue, then Squirtle hopped onto the discredit train when LLD and Black were pushing me too.

But I could see town Squirtle doing that poorly too, but it might not be a coincidence.

Either way, I feel like I was onto something end of the day, with Klick, and Klick was one of my sole defenders end of the day yesterday.

STD also tried to poke holes, but they might just have been actually curious.

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Also, that role looks so strong for Titus.

I feel like I got the short end of the stick in this game.

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Like I'm gonna die from these wild encounters level of short end.

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But just isoing LLD they just look like theyre trying to lead town and idk why we let pinkballs slot do that in the first place

You aint ever lying.

Was whack.

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But just isoing LLD they just look like theyre trying to lead town and idk why we let pinkballs slot do that in the first place

You aint ever lying.

Was whack.

LLD can lead wrong as town. She masters thread rythym like no other. She is usually but not always right. I lean town there.

I don't think I've ever seen LLD win a game. I'm sure she has, I just haven't seen it.

Her end of Day 1 posting was not good.

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man i wish i wasnt so lazy to actually read how the wagon formed after LLDs vote I will try to do that today

it formed against Klick and I together on Black too.

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But just isoing LLD they just look like theyre trying to lead town and idk why we let pinkballs slot do that in the first place

You aint ever lying.

Was whack.

LLD can lead wrong as town. She masters thread rythym like no other. She is usually but not always right. I lean town there.

I don't think I've ever seen LLD win a game. I'm sure she has, I just haven't seen it.

Her end of Day 1 posting was not good.

Why doesn't lld end the day with Rathe elumination?

Rathe can be faded another day, why would they need to end it yesterday? Rathe elim, if town, is not good for the scum pushing Rathe. The fact it specifically went to a random slot instead of one of the main wagons is indicative of both: scum were pushing a misfade wagon, and scum were one of the wagons.

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I could just be wrong and Rathe is scum too, I just think scum were pushing Rathe, and would like to continue doing so.


Magical Girl was effectively a no info fade, and we dont get a lot of wagonomics from it, which is why I believe that wagon is scum heavy.

LLD could be town, but if LLD is town, scum helped move that wagon along.

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V OTECOUNT 1.42
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Magical Girl (12)	Lady Lambdadelta, Enchant, Firebringer, NorwegianboyEE, Skygazer, Metens, KittyTacky, Doctor Drew, SirCakez, Meuh, Sheepsaysmeep, Black
Black (4)	Rathe, Not_Mafia, Flavor Leaf, Klick
Meuh (3)	Ranger, Save the Dragons, Chandra Nalaar
Metens (1)	WhemeStar
Lady Lambdadelta (1)	SquirtleSquad
SirCakez (1)	Titus
NOT VOTING: Magical Girl
Notes: All alive players gain +1 DEF.

damn, Rathe wagon became nonexistent.

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@FL define main wagon.

I like WhemeStar pushing here. A less active slot doesn't open on LLD here.

Yesterday, there was about 5 wagons that we needed consolidation on somewhere, and it was a bunch of dueling wagons.

Pink Ball, Rathe, Black, Mueh, and Cakez.

I think all 5 of those had pushes from multiple people on them, and were going back and forth with dueling.

That group 100% has scum in them. I was town reading/lean towning on Rathe, Mueh, and Cakez, leaving me with Pink Ball/Black, aka my 2 main scum reads. This is a big reason that LLD and Black started to come after me. They started heavy discrediting after I had called the two of them scum, that lead into the personal toxic attack speech of mine.

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wheme pushing LLD here is definitely +town for wheme

Regarding this reasoning, is it the push in of itself or who it's directed at?
Cause I like the push but who it's on hasn't come to mind at all (and Wheme's day 1 posts were also good)

Delve into this deeper, please.

Who it's on? what do you mean by that? Like just that it's on LLD, nothing's come to your mind with that slot?

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wheme pushing LLD here is definitely +town for wheme

Regarding this reasoning, is it the push in of itself or who it's directed at?
Cause I like the push but who it's on hasn't come to mind at all (and Wheme's day 1 posts were also good)

Delve into this deeper, please.

Who it's on? what do you mean by that? Like just that it's on LLD, nothing's come to your mind with that slot?

I'm kind of nebulous on LLD at this point
My main takeaways from Wheme's posts were "Wheme town" and the fact this solving was directed at LLD didn't really ping me whatsoever so I wanna understand that town process since both Titus and Skygazer seem to have it here

So youre saying you have zero thoughts on LLD/Pink Ball slot?

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I'd find this "scum doesn't open by pushing LLD" idea a lot more appealing if LLD was like, widely townread and in a super powerful spot. She just lead a wagon on town, replaced one of yesterday's lead wagons and was in some arguments. I don't think it's at all out of the realm of possibility for scum!Wheme to push there. He's just town cause he's solving

Okay, I'm fine with that answer.

I already town read Wheme, so I didn't need to see them solving here, but I agree with that, and I think it's probs cap from some people who are directly town reading wheme because of who theyre pushing.

It's kind of an easy push to have.

ScumWheme here wouldnt need to push LLD because I was already likely expected to push LLD here too as were likely others based on how yesterday went.

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I'd find this "scum doesn't open by pushing LLD" idea a lot more appealing if LLD was like, widely townread and in a super powerful spot. She just lead a wagon on town, replaced one of yesterday's lead wagons and was in some arguments. I don't think it's at all out of the realm of possibility for scum!Wheme to push there. He's just town cause he's solving

Are you familiar with LLD at all?

I think you're failing to realize what happened before it all, in the fact that Pink ball was super scummy, and from an LLD replacement, they had every right to feel like they were going down so fuck it kinda mentality.

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Meuh im sorry I think you are wrong about STD

I kinda like the push, though.

STD needs to be put in check a bit. I didn't like them slowly putting thorns near me. They were subtly trying to push Klick away from me, I feel.

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Klick deferring to FL is weird

Regardless of whatever else is happening his accuracy is very high

He's also not the only one I'm trying to defer to

I don't know if the first part is true

I'm also not sure about the second part but maybe you are. I noticed FL because I'm wary of him

I just really don't get this type of mentality. You can legit just go check at all the games I've caught scum and won as town.

I think people more just want their fictional verse where I don't catch scum to be true, when in actuality, I feel I'm one of the players who gets BOP'd the hardest if I don't catch scum.

I just feel this from STD is poor because they've seen me catch scum, and it feels kind of like they were trying to separate Klick and I.

Klick was a much harder fade than I was, and genuinely is more logical, so the Klick kill, even if it's not the full reason for a Klick death, absolutely weakens my position in this game + gets rid of a strong town player.

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can someone explain the pink ball case to me like i'm 5?

Pink mad firebringer called him scum and had no other opinions relentlessly

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Oh, Rathe is Blue?

Yeah, that’s town.

Okay, i thought I was gonna have to read Rathe more.

Black or Pink Ball today, Rathe and Cakez wagons are mid.

You haven't read any of patchwork's posts and you have no idea who has replaced who. I don't think anyone should be trusting your opinion on the gamestate tbh

VOTE: Black
This is scummy af

I was the 8th highest townread before this post and you still haven't answered me about why it's scummy. Are you saying you can't see town!me getting upset that FL is pushing me and then saying people shouldn't trust his opinion on the game? Because I don't believe you if you can't

Did you actually ask me why this was scummy? I remember you making a post akin to 'no it's not' but not asking me anything

I find your take of 'you are under-informed about the gamestate as a whole therefore no one should trust you' to be very inaccurate
And I believe it could be motivated by you feeling an amount of 'right for the wrong reasons' feelings towards FL on it
You don't *like* the fact that someone who hasn't even read all of your efforts to seem town is deciding you're scum based on some stuff without considering the other stuff
That's the logic

Heavy Black possibility scum.

Also more reason to try and weaken the defense on me.

Idk, man. Can call it self-centric, but I know my alignment, and am using it to help solve.

Doing my best for people to see my thought process, and I feel like I'm onto something here.

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Way too early solve: One of LLD/Black, probs not both.
One of Squirtle/STD, might be both, probs not. based on how supports went to LLD/Black stuff.
A deep scum, like a Chandra/Titus (not necessarily them, but one that can power scum later in the game if necessary)
And then a lurker in the background scum.

If there's 5, throw another in the bottom 2 areas.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, that post is townie from Squirtle. I'm probs just biased with their thorns.

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Whemestar
SirCakez
Firebringer
ItalianoVD (Blue)
Ranger
Meuh

SquirtleSquad
Titus
Chandra Nalaar
Doctor Drew

KittyTacky
Skygazer
Sheepsaysmeep
Enchant
Not_Mafia
Metens
NorwegianboyEE

Save The Dragons

Lady Lambdadelta

Black

I don't think LLD and Black are scum together. Big middle tier are my neutrals. Norwegian might be in a spot in between Neutral and Lean town, but didnt feel like separating because lazy. All of the Neutrals, though, haven't gotten enough to really comfortably town read them, but don't really scum read any of them directly. Blue tier, I'm generally town reading them, but some of the stuff some of them have said have rubbed me the wrong way where I could see them being scum that I'm town reading them. green are my town reads. I can see Firebringer or Cakez possibly as scum pocketing me, but I'm not gonna figure that out until right about the time I die, and I'm okay with that. No order really within tiers.

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I could just be wrong and Rathe is scum too, I just think scum were pushing Rathe, and would like to continue doing so.


Magical Girl was effectively a no info fade, and we dont get a lot of wagonomics from it, which is why I believe that wagon is scum heavy.

LLD could be town, but if LLD is town, scum helped move that wagon along.

Ok and Magical Girl was a no info fade scum heavy wagon launched as a counter to....

we dont have to know who it was a counter to to be a counter. There were 5 primary wagons that I listed out, and MG was not one of them.

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Rathe (10)

Titus, SquirtleSquad,

Doctor Drew

,

Chandra Nalaar

,

Sheepsaysmeep

,

Save the Dragons,

Meuh

,

Firebringer

,

SirCakez

,

Pink Ball

Magical Girl (12)

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Enchant

,

Firebringer

,

NorwegianboyEE, Skygazer, Metens, KittyTacky,

Doctor Drew

,

SirCakez

,

Meuh

,

Sheepsaysmeep

,

Black

On top of the Orange ones probably having scum, the Blue Differences could each contain scum, tbh. I'd be surprised if the Blue doesn't have scum in them.

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I could just be wrong and Rathe is scum too, I just think scum were pushing Rathe, and would like to continue doing so.


Magical Girl was effectively a no info fade, and we dont get a lot of wagonomics from it, which is why I believe that wagon is scum heavy.

LLD could be town, but if LLD is town, scum helped move that wagon along.

Ok and Magical Girl was a no info fade scum heavy wagon launched as a counter to....

we dont have to know who it was a counter to to be a counter. There were 5 primary wagons that I listed out, and MG was not one of them.

I don't agree, I think of all the wagons yesterday the only one that was actually close to getting through was Rathe, nothing else crossed four or five votes. I wasn't around for like a day and came back and MG was like at L-3. It seems pretty cut and dry to me.

Four or Five is exactly what it should look like.

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All it would have taken was one wagon to dissolve onto another, but instead, it was spread out, meaning scum was probably spread out, and no more than 1 scum bussed at the same time likely.

[Flavor Leaf]

Black (4) Rathe, Not_Mafia, Flavor Leaf, Klick

If Rathe is town, this is most likely a ScumBlack world.

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I also think that while the momentum on Black wasn’t immense, the pressure there would make scum more eager to consolidate which would set the conditions for the MG lim
Unless my timing’s off and the pressure on Black had already almost dissipated

Klick and I stayed on them, though, so it wasn't really dissipated.

When I was going after Black around page 30, blue stepped in, and blue vs black turned into Squirtle vs Blue. then when I finally got back to black, Black got to hide behind LLD and Squirtle also coming after me.

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Squirtle/Blue/Black/LLD square is not pure.

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wait, is ranger an alt?

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ChandraScum tinfoil since they kinda looking like scum calling out townie mistakes left and right

[Flavor Leaf]

wait, is ranger an alt?

mastina, the caveat is that ranger is a different personality/style/etc.
I still see it as mastina posting tho

it's definitely different, but i see what you mean. dunno if i like being higher up on their reads list now, though.

they usually scum read me when we're both town, and I guess they were earlier, but yeah, dunno how I feel about it, but it is a different playstyle as a defense.

top town read on chandra is whack, though. i think wheme said that earlier too, and dont get it.

but we're clashing personalities, though, and im poking at chandra just for some amusement.

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tinfoil of Klick being killed to make me go after the people klick and i were pushing harder.

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And Magical Girl can't be limmed another day? This explanation doesn't cut it.

sure it does

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get a better theory than the wildly unserious Black wagon.

weaaak defense.

Even Klick was pushing Black, and it was the second biggest wagon end of day yesterday.

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Literally, the death was the most respected and logical player on the Black wagon. Ya playin' yourself.

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Wilder things at end of the day have happened. Who's scummiest to you on the LLD wagon?

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either to weaken others listening to you or to allow you freer reign to do your more chaotic thing.

this is where my tinfoil from last page came in.

Klick death still implies the former rather than the latter, though, because I can't rally onto a misfade as easily for scum, so it shows they're not trying to get me to misfade, and wants to stall momentum.

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I will say, I'm half not feeling LLD the more defense Black gets, but I'm okay staying with LLD and seeing where this goes.

I really don't think Black is that town read overall. a few players, sure, but i feel like that could just be scum defense.

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Wilder things at end of the day have happened. Who's scummiest to you on the LLD wagon?

I'm coming off as defending LLD here, aren't I. I'm actually fine with that pressure right now, I just don't agree with every single point that's been made in service of it.

like which points?

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And Magical Girl can't be limmed another day? This explanation doesn't cut it.

sure it does

@FL like this exchange mainly.

well, i'm semi trollin' you because it's fun, so I can't be too upset at you not liking the posts.

I haven't really cased too hard, but I'm lazy and in the moment, and happy with where everything's shifting at the end of the day.

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LLD, haven't caught up but I totally agree with Drew and Ranger. I don't think the push on you is totally pure and Ranger comes in riding coattails

Ranger might be evil here.

Now that I know who it is, my early targeting of them, and then my relief of scum reading them might have just been them handling, and then what Chandra said, scum could be harnessing my chaoticness and letting me run loose. it's an interesting debacle considering Ranger's biggest scum read is the same as one of my lower ones too.

I'm not convinced it's Ranger by any means, but definitely opened it up to the possibility.

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Just because something only had like 4 votes, doesn’t mean it wasn’t close.

Think on that one for a minute.

[Flavor Leaf]

You really think those colors from earlier and random?

There was like a clear purpose and reason behind the colored names of Meuh rarlier

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Perhaps if you howled at the moon more FL.

Can’t.

When I howl, the wolves come swarming. And not necessarily the scummy kind.

You want me to howl be ready for the bite

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VCA is supplementary until it’s not.

Like meta.

However, VCA in addition to gamestate is far superior than meta at the level most people tend to use.

I really only care about meta when it’s like 10+ games familiarity with multiple samples from both sides in specific situations.

Otherwise, if someone tries to meta you, certain levels of scum will just end up stomping ya hard.

Titus and I have loads and loads of meta on each other, and yet, we still can get hard hard pocketed by each other because of that fact.

[Flavor Leaf]

But yeah, VCA is great late game and theory level early, but you can still read it, but it’s not going to be like 100% accurate. You use VCA for possibilities, and then analyze the possibilities.

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Chandra and Squirt play styles seem very cut and dry, logic based, so it tracks they don’t like VCA.

They’re also from an older era, and I think that era as a whole is more logic based.

It’s the type I learned how to smoke as scum.

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IMO, the way Titus and I both use VCA is actually incredibly logic based, but it’s logic mixed with Social Dynamics which gets me the label of Chaotic, and Titus the label of “Titus Moon Logic”.

Moral of the story: VCA is logical duh

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tbh it feels more honest than most "VCA" does because of that fact.

So basically you’re saying you can’t comprehend Meuh’s VCA?

So the fact those 6 players they colored Orange were on both Rathe and Magical Girl have absolutely zero effect for you. Like there’s no logic behind it?

Because that’s like level 1 logic tbh

[Flavor Leaf]

People used to think debit cards were mumbo jumbo magic and wouldn’t put it on the internet too, so

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My problem is usually the assumptions about how town and scum play around wagons and what alignments of other players are.

I find that because of making poor assumptions the conclusions are usually bad and I don't think those problems are fixable. I.E. I don't think you can come up with a reasonable set of assumptions such that your conclusions will be better than rand.

But also this is a pretty useless conversation so idk why you're bothering to take the time to engage me on it?

I don’t think it’s useless at all.

Learning how another player thinks is only net positive for being able to read them and understand how they play and get reads.

That’s a fair assumption. I think it’s a skill people have to hone, and be disciplined enough to know when there’s actual merit in a thing or if not, so in a way, VCA does open up the place to some risk.

With more flips, it becomes easier, of course, and at the base level, I think seeing who was on Magical Girl/Rathe is a good starting point for VCA, but nobody is ever scum here simply because they were on both.

However, I never think that one reason is enough to actually believe someone is scum. I like having multiple reasons that together makes things likely to be scum.

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Chandra and Squirt play styles seem very cut and dry, logic based, so it tracks they don’t like VCA.

They’re also from an older era, and I think that era as a whole is more logic based.

It’s the type I learned how to smoke as scum.

I mean, I am not generally a VCA guy, but what is wrong with figuring out the why? People do things, but ya gotta figure out why they do them.

This feels like a very empty post tbh, except to say you are an expert scum catcher.

Your 4637 was an empty post, and you don’t see me complaining.

I don’t think I ever stated there was no reason to figure out the why? I’m pro figuring out the way.

Those little side jabs I throw are in-game antagonism which sets a natural engagement back and forth. Both of them also do the same to me, so why don’t you call them out for doing it?

All the back and forth a help get layer and layer of feeling where the others are coming from, so I’m all for the in-game jabs.

Jabs on playstyle is fine, just don’t make it personal.

Playstyle is simply classification, there’s nothing inherently wrong with them not liking VCA, I actually like that as a playstyle trait.

I just know I’ve caught many a scum through my playstyle but it also goes well with how I read people in general on a sociological level.

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Chandra and Squirt play styles seem very cut and dry, logic based, so it tracks they don’t like VCA.

They’re also from an older era, and I think that era as a whole is more logic based.

It’s the type I learned how to smoke as scum.

I mean, I am not generally a VCA guy, but what is wrong with figuring out the why? People do things, but ya gotta figure out why they do them.

This feels like a very empty post tbh, except to say you are an expert scum catcher.

Make up your mind, was it an empty post, or was it a post about me saying I’m an expert scum catcher.

Cuz I can never have enough of those type of posts.

How many times have you seen me say something like that out of game, though?

I dangle a carrot in front of people with posts like that, while I lay down traps to catch scum.

Like a magician, the art of redirection.

[Flavor Leaf]

People really like to throw around the words empty or useless when in reality, there’s not a whole lot of actually useless and empty posts in game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, Italian.....let me grab your ear for a minute........What do you think of Sky's vote on me, and their hedging of bets on the current top two wagons?

Also, for shits and giggs......I want your opinion on Titus.

If you would be so kind to oblige me.

Well to start I didn't like Norwee's vote on you, but I've been townleaning Norwee so I guess he can just be wrong.

Yesterday when I reading through it felt like Sky was sniffing around for your wagon. Seeing if there were any takers. 1482 was non-commital but 1500 they clarify that you were a firm null.

Then later in the day 3417 is when they started throwing out hints. Then in 4041 you became their null-scum read.

Don't know if it's unfortunate fypov lol, but I've been townreading Sky. I don't think scum!sky purposely and openly moves the they did around the wagons. I would have to ask them directly what they see from you. Not sure if that helped you or not, but that's where I'm at at the moment.

Titus ugh. I don't read Titus well. I have her in my nulltown possible scum position. I don't think it's necessary for today, but I'd need someone else who reads her better to guide me there because I'm terrible at it.

Well she certainly turns into a tunnely asshole(peep the sig lol) that's for sure, catching a glimpse of it so far.......but gut is still thinking she genuinely thinks I am scum. I want some more eyes on her though, feel like she is flying under the radar a bit.

Pre Edit: Flavor, I love you.....but it is posts like that that make me agree with LLD, your ego is sometimes a bit much lol

Get over it, it’s a gimmick

[Flavor Leaf]

It would be different if I was pushing people down, but I’m not.

I don’t push anyone down.

So what if I’m floating above Mt. Everest?

I’ll help bring people up to chill and smoke a big ol doink with me up here.

Don’t get upset just cuz y’all like to stay by the Sea. Come visit.

Firebringer and I need some company.

[Flavor Leaf]

Once you realize all my posts have a tinge of sass and it’s just in a silly trash talk sense because that competitive side of my is uncontrollable, I get a lot easier to handle.

Like, I’mma do my best to win at all costs, and gonna be upset if I lose.

But I’ll still cheer the winners on.

Just because I’m rooting for myself, don’t mean I ain’t rooting for everyone else out there to get theirs.

I’m setting the table and prepping the meal for all of us to eat.

I’ll even eat last, idc.

[Flavor Leaf]

Take this sponge flavored leaf and put it over the fire all roasty toasty, stick in third gear, sprinkle it over some ham, and have yourself a good meal with a side of wine in your golden chalice.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ask Enchant how this ego gimmick traps scum into needing to come at me and discredit me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, Italian.....let me grab your ear for a minute........What do you think of Sky's vote on me, and their hedging of bets on the current top two wagons?

Also, for shits and giggs......I want your opinion on Titus.

If you would be so kind to oblige me.

Well to start I didn't like Norwee's vote on you, but I've been townleaning Norwee so I guess he can just be wrong.

Yesterday when I reading through it felt like Sky was sniffing around for your wagon. Seeing if there were any takers. 1482 was non-commital but 1500 they clarify that you were a firm null.

Then later in the day 3417 is when they started throwing out hints. Then in 4041 you became their null-scum read.

Don't know if it's unfortunate fypov lol, but I've been townreading Sky. I don't think scum!sky purposely and openly moves the they did around the wagons. I would have to ask them directly what they see from you. Not sure if that helped you or not, but that's where I'm at at the moment.

Titus ugh. I don't read Titus well. I have her in my nulltown possible scum position. I don't think it's necessary for today, but I'd need someone else who reads her better to guide me there because I'm terrible at it.

Well she certainly turns into a tunnely asshole(peep the sig lol) that's for sure, catching a glimpse of it so far.......but gut is still thinking she genuinely thinks I am scum. I want some more eyes on her though, feel like she is flying under the radar a bit.

Pre Edit: Flavor, I love you.....but it is posts like that that make me agree with LLD, your ego is sometimes a bit much lol

Get over it, it’s a gimmick

Is it though?

You were happy to throw it in LLD's face how you just shot a movie......doesn't seem like a gimmick.

Pre Edit: Ugh.....seriously? Just doubling down on the cringe are we FL? Are you working on a self help Insta post next?

I don’t think I threw it in anyone’s face how I just shot a movie. That’s just something I’m doing and I’ve taken literally forever to get there. Just my passion, everyone’s got there’s, I’m just super happy to share my stories, and grateful to have people helping me get there.

Everyone’s got some sick ass things they’ve done.

Alisae, for instance, put together this sick ass game that I could only dream of making the mechanics.

I can’t even understand how any of this stuff works, that’s how in depth it is.

It’s a real skill of theirs.

Firebringer is able to consistently vibe and chill in a way I can only dream of in-game.

Black’s got some super cool tactical play and they’re super new to mafia (either alignment whatever they end up being).

Everyone’s got stuff they do, doesn’t mean anyone’s better than anyone in life.

But you come at me, and fight me Super Smash Bros style, ya gonna get the heat.

I might get 3-0’d, but you’ll remember it!

[Flavor Leaf]

What’s your angle here, Drew?

You seem to be deep sea fish in’.

You called me out for seeming empty, but I’ve been relatively vibing this whole game, even when I was in the back and forth with Black and LLD, it was all strictly playstyle and analyzing.

You seem to be angling here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ask Enchant how this ego gimmick traps scum into needing to come at me and discredit me.

Lol, I remember that.

You think I am trying to discredit you?

If the angle is a right one, you know it be acute, so don’t be so obtuse!

[Flavor Leaf]

Lol I specifically put my name down to replace in because of Flavor. Regardless of alignment my guy is chill.

I’ve already been in Blue Jeans pocket, when you made the sale, quit the pitchin’

[Flavor Leaf]

But yeah, Drew’s totally scum for that exchange

[Flavor Leaf]

They GrandpaMo’d be in Demon Slayer with their posts, and even DD did kind of the exact same thing to me when I was on the right track in that game.

[Flavor Leaf]

What’s your angle here, Drew?

You seem to be deep sea fish in’.

You called me out for seeming empty, but I’ve been relatively vibing this whole game, even when I was in the back and forth with Black and LLD, it was all strictly playstyle and analyzing.

You seem to be angling here.

No angle.

I agree with you on LLD, but I am also not sold on your intentions.

And you seem very worried about my opinion.

#vibez

Pre Edit: Really worried about me apparently........You don't like people questioning you don't you?

So do you think I have an ego or do you think I’m worried about you? Those don’t really add up together, because if you think I have an ego, why would I be worried?

[Flavor Leaf]

What do you think I’m selling? What are these intentions I’m selling?

Cuz i really haven’t pitched much

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm mostly playing with Drew. We threw a couple hands in the ring at each for some funsies.

I did think that one post I called them out on was fluffy, like as I saw it immediately, but didn't really care to go after it. Really only brought it up because wanted to give him a receipt, and if he was scum trying to discredit me, really try and earn the discredit.

[Flavor Leaf]

Squirtle/Blue/Black/LLD square is not pure.

Squints. Town fracture and camp all the time. Sure Blue or Black could be scum but the other two I am TRing.

Doesn’t mean you are correct

[Flavor Leaf]

IMO, the way Titus and I both use VCA is actually incredibly logic based, but it’s logic mixed with Social Dynamics which gets me the label of Chaotic, and Titus the label of “Titus Moon Logic”.

Moral of the story: VCA is logical duh

Stop debating how useful it is. If you use it, use it. If you don't, don't.

Nah, I love talking about how useful it is

[Flavor Leaf]

No one policy lims mala on my watch

[Flavor Leaf]

extremely uninterested in discussing whether or not FL is accurate or not

Yeah, we can just accept it as a fact post game

[Flavor Leaf]

i think we refers to multiple people and not just yourself

Exactly. You and I, babe

[Flavor Leaf]

Thanks for joining the cause

[Flavor Leaf]

I meant to say bay bay, but it auto corrected, and I’m not sad

[Flavor Leaf]

extremely uninterested in discussing whether or not FL is accurate or not

Yeah, we can just accept it as a fact post game

I get your whole "not bringing others down" thing but you do bait people and you do know it and the only person who has fun in those interactions is you.

It’s a balancing thing. The yin to the yang.

STD’s comment was in response to people talking about Klick’s post, not mine.

[Flavor Leaf]

I get the discredit, ya get the recredit.

How it works.

[Flavor Leaf]

extremely uninterested in discussing whether or not FL is accurate or not

Yeah, we can just accept it as a fact post game

I get your whole "not bringing others down" thing but you do bait people and you do know it and the only person who has fun in those interactions is you.

You could have more fun with it is another solution

[Flavor Leaf]

bruh when someone says "I do not enjoy this thing you do" responding "have you considered enjoying it more?" is just about as cringe as you can get.

Hell ya you know i have

[Flavor Leaf]

LLD's entrance and actions are suspicious - but the fact 11 players went along with it is way more suspicious.

Kinda where I’m starting to lean more than LLD right now

[Flavor Leaf]

Squirtle/Blue/Black/LLD square is not pure.

Squints. Town fracture and camp all the time. Sure Blue or Black could be scum but the other two I am TRing.

Doesn’t mean you are correct

True, I'm weakest early. I'll give my thoughts and play with them but I don't try to dominate like the ancient days.

you could be correct, i just turned the troll switch on, and hoping it lets me coast until late game until solve time tbh

[Flavor Leaf]

Not sure what I did to get on top of Cakez reads list all game, but not sure if he tries to pocket me as scum here. Just kind of a weird play if he’s scum, specifically after last game where I thought he was pocketing me and got paranoid, and ended up misfading them

[Flavor Leaf]

I got my hopes up that we would actually get a deep dive from Wheme. I guess he went to go play LoL again

I read this and thought 'What a weird place to say laugh out loud'.

I am so out of the loop of what the kids play these days.

Kids don’t play LoL anymore. That was last gen. Now those of us that got addicted to it then are just still in the trap.

[Flavor Leaf]

That being said, i love the overall league lore and the characters are lovely.

Okay, I’m back now. What’d i miss?

[Flavor Leaf]

I bet you all missed me so much

[Flavor Leaf]

Logically, I feel Black is scum.

Vibe wise, I feel like I’m on the wrong path there, and the realization of it has kind of put me out temporarily while I recalibrate

[Flavor Leaf]

Logically, I feel Black is scum.

Vibe wise, I feel like I’m on the wrong path there, and the realization of it has kind of put me out temporarily while I recalibrate

Interestingly enough I feel the opposite.

I can't point to really anything about her actions that are blatantly scummy.

But the vibes I get from her posting as of late just pings me the wrong way.

It's Gamestate and wagon compositions for me, in the logic sense.

I also specifically didn't like Black vs FL early game turning into Blue vs Black turning into Squirtle vs Blue, then later in Day 1, Black vs FL II turned into FL vs LLD and Squirtle again.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Firebringer - whats your drew read? Something about his discredit attempt on me reminded me of him in Demon Slayer.

[Flavor Leaf]

Logically, I feel Black is scum.

Vibe wise, I feel like I’m on the wrong path there, and the realization of it has kind of put me out temporarily while I recalibrate

Interestingly enough I feel the opposite.

I can't point to really anything about her actions that are blatantly scummy.

But the vibes I get from her posting as of late just pings me the wrong way.

It's Gamestate and wagon compositions for me, in the logic sense.

I also specifically didn't like Black vs FL early game turning into Blue vs Black turning into Squirtle vs Blue, then later in Day 1, Black vs FL II turned into FL vs LLD and Squirtle again.

This makes my head hurt without VCs.

I have a Magical Girl flip. What you talkin bout

[Flavor Leaf]

Plus anytime I go after Black, people start to personally discredit.

Not happening really with anyone else besides the occasional Drew piggyback when I went after LLD.

[Flavor Leaf]

let's kill an anti flavor. there's a scum in there for sure.

[Flavor Leaf]

im sure theyll list themselves in response. ill make a list probs sometime, though

[Flavor Leaf]

tell your boyfriend if he says hes got beef that I'm a vegetarian and I ain't fuckin' scared of him.

Brings me back to my high school days.

Probably simultaneously can make me seem old and young depending who’s looking at it

[Flavor Leaf]

While I don’t have the conviction that Titus has, I feel like it’s an acceptable read to have ScumDrew. I have a few things from Drew I’ve mentioned I feel are scummy, so I don’t necessarily see what’s wrong with having that read.

[Flavor Leaf]

Drew, 5172 is just complaining about being scum read by Titus. You haven’t flipped yet, and while she keeps repeating it, I wouldn’t even say she’s pushing you that hard. Why’s it effecting you like that?

[Flavor Leaf]

Why is LLD toxicing me? That’s rude!

[Flavor Leaf]

Probably doesn’t mean as much cuz it’s about me, but LLD’s comments about me are fake af.

We literally went over the not making personal comments on each other on Day 1, and they’ve turned around to make it personal again.

Think they’re just scum trying to get out of their wagon

[Flavor Leaf]

The fact they attacked me and Squirtle of all people

[Flavor Leaf]

Like they were only here like a smidgeon of Day 1, yet they’re checked out way more than majority of us? I get a lot of us have stagnated and whatnot, but just seems off.

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay

I feel this game is really stagnating

Flavor leaf, throw me a name to do a deep dive on.
I will do it.

Uhhhh….Chandra

[Flavor Leaf]

I haven’t played a game with LLD in like 2 and a half+ years, and even in games I have, they were scum, I believe and I was town who pushed them.

Unless they’re an alt I don’t know about, I drastically don’t think I have nearly enough games with LLD for them to warrant truly believing those words, and they’re just living off a ‘Projected Mythology of Flavor’.

If they were like a Statusquo or Catboi saying stuff like that fine, but I just don’t think LLD’s had enough experience with me, especially not in any time recent, to have that mentality not be fabricated to the extent it has.

They’re just follow the projected mythology of Flavor.

I really don’t think they’ve even been in any of my ‘bad’ games either.

[Flavor Leaf]

The fact they attacked me and Squirtle of all people

No i think Squirtle was just the random pokemon they battled, not the ingame player squirtle.

But i do think them choosing to use a toxic pokemon move on you but then being a bit coy and secretive about their reasoning for doing so is a bit weird. Being able to use poison on someone elses pokemon seems like a move that should only be used on slots that LLD personally strongly scumreads if their role is town here. Yet they seem to act like they're just doing it out of policy or something? Idk that's where it feels a bit wrong to me.

Yeah, I just thought it was funny to continue that

[Flavor Leaf]

[Flavor Leaf]

So let’s get this covered:

Ranger claimed to have poisoned LLD, and LLD didn’t get poisoned.

LLD claimed to have poisoned me.

SirCakez, if I remember, also claim to have been poisoned.

Poison also feels like a super strong scum move, so I doubt all of those are town.

LLD also had the worst reasoning with their reason for poisoning.
They’re also apparently checked out of this game.

I also think info wise, their slot is a good flip.

Let’s kill the LLD slot, and see where it takes us.

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay

I feel this game is really stagnating

Flavor leaf, throw me a name to do a deep dive on.
I will do it.

Uhhhh….Chandra

can u pick someone outside the elite 6
otherwise ur just gonna hear my biasely telling u why u should townread Chandra.
Even a weaker townread is better

Let’s talk Titus

[Flavor Leaf]

My thoughts with Titus is I’m gut town reading, but I don’t really know why, because if Titus is scum, I’d likely be town reading them, which gives me paranoia that they’re scum, however, if they were scum I feel like they’d pocket me more, which maybe they are but they aren’t in a way, i just don’t feel like there’s enough pocketing attempts, so i end up back leaning town with them, and if they are scum, they’ll keep me around to pocket me, and I’ll figure it out later is my thought process on Titus.

[Flavor Leaf]

So let’s get this covered:

Ranger claimed to have poisoned LLD, and LLD didn’t get poisoned.

LLD claimed to have poisoned me.

SirCakez, if I remember, also claim to have been poisoned.

Poison also feels like a super strong scum move, so I doubt all of those are town.

LLD also had the worst reasoning with their reason for poisoning.
They’re also apparently checked out of this game.

I also think info wise, their slot is a good flip.

Let’s kill the LLD slot, and see where it takes us.

Scum could easily not claim theirs. Just because poison sounds nefarious doesn't necessarily make it a scummier ability than the other statuses.

Sure, it also doesn’t make them town, and it’s also not even the main reason to go after LLD. It’s just yet another additional reason why flipping LLD is the optimal play right now.

This is just an anti WIFOM circulation of a single point being made.

[Flavor Leaf]

Are you just mad being poisoned?

Fuck a poison, I’m moving this game forward

[Flavor Leaf]

People complain about it being stagnated, i was standing back not really pushing anything for a few days, imma do some things then if people wanna talk about game being stagnated.

I’ll break the stagnation.