Asterix: The Little Gaulish Village - Game Over

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Two deaths and one missing. Do you guys think we could have a kidnapper? It could be that gramathy is dead, as some have said.
An evil recruiting group, maybe the mafia can activate someone or a single player who recruits like the vampire in werewolves vs. mafia?

radomn vote: Thoth

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unvote: Thoth

vote: Gager97

for the same reason as Cubsfan4life--pusing for more info after SinOver had claimed.

Also, I don't know about "being clueless sometimes helps." Towns do get lucky at times, but on day1, it's all about getting information to set up for day2 and beyond. This can be accomplished by players using hunches and tests to see other players' reactions. Luck is involved but also skill. We do have some good experienced players in this game.

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I finally figured out that Geriatrix = Agecanonix, the old veteran of Gergovia. For his age still alert especially when it becomes to pretty woman...
http://www.asterix-obelix.nl/
There seems to be more on his wife, the shopper, than on him.

Note: I'll be gone from later today until Monday afternoon over the 4th.

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Unvote: Gager97

I agree with Primoris.

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True, DS, it will be hard trying to find scum day1 in this large a game. Still, the little info from random voting/voting with small reasons is better than no info at all--unless you have some other plan in mind?

vote: Yanqush

since I'd like to hear a little more from him.

btw: Congrats Leo!

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Well, since Yanqush is gone skiing and won't be back till about Monday, I'll

unvote: Yanqush

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My vote will stay in pocket for the time being. I'll be away the next two days.

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Tally has point sitting and not voting won't win games.
So,

vote: mneme

to join that bandwagon.

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For a team standpoint, to "take one for the team" is the right way to play in helping the team whether town or scum. Individually, this way of playing is not fun for the one sacrificing oneself on day1. I know I'd rather play than watch for the bench. However, one can sign up for new games.

Besides the above, I don't much more to add at this time.

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MMCL's logic seems good enough for me, so

unvote:whomever

vote: Jaguar

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I'm going to keep my vote on Jag for the reasons posted already. MGIA appears a little scummy with revealing a new ability about every new post. Though who's to say he doesn't have those powers. Whether he's scum or town, I am not sure.

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Good point cubsfan. If we find that Obelix is scum, then Asterix should be lynched. But until then, everything else regarding MGIA is speculation.

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unvote: Jagaur

; I can't have my on a hero in the tales themselves. Thougth, it is possible that the three mentioned above are mafia.

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I'll join the lurker hunt:

vote: Yanqush

Note: I'll be gone in Phoenix from Friday (23rd) to Tuesday (27th).

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MGIA seems to be adding a little too many raisens to the putting, so

vote: MGIA

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Congratulations Talitha

As far as the game, a re-read is in order for me.

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Phoebus added to the first post in the deceased people part that
Primoris - Beefix the Belgian (Founder Member, TUBE)*

A possible key in understanding what TUBE is are the words "founder member". The only things I can think of in mafia that have members are mason and cults. I'm leaning towards the latter, since Primoris was the

founder

. As I understand it, masons are just groups of equal standing and cult members are recuited by the founder. FD (at least I think it was FD) testified in day1 that we have a cult, so the above thesis is possible.

* Did not directly quote mod to avoid mod-kill.

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De mortuis nil nisi bonum: (Speak nothing but good of the dead) 6

...
# Primoris - Beefix the Belgian (Founder Member, TUBE) - suffocated - night two

This is the part I was refering to.

Oh, I feel stupid. In the rules post, it uses the word "messages" (not posts).
*wacks self on head and laughs at self*

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I'm here, just not quite sure what to do next.

MGIA maybe you can do a piledriver this next night. jk.

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vote: MGIA

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Sorry for not posting in a while. My home internet went hay-wire.
In light of Phoebus's revealing Bengel's former role (long time ago, I know),

unvote: MGIA

Like mneme, I'm unsure of fd and bengel.

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The bandwagon on MGIA started because Bengel, who was Obelix, said that MGIA’s description of Asterix related similar to Obelix’s. Since Obelix was scum and MGIA’s description was similar, some voted MGIA. The reason for the unvotes is that some changed their tune.

As I was rereading a quote caught my eye (post 656).

It also seems to me that Getafix would be a pro-town role.

I am thinking that Getafix is a doctor or inventor type role. One, the potion he makes heals the player. Two, the potion gives the player the option to kill (vigilant) or investigate or something else.

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Unclaimed players:
# big_kahunia
# Bengel II (replacing Kerplunk)
# BlueSin
# cubsfan4life
# Corsato
# Flying Dutchman
# KingEnigma
# Leonidas
# mole (replacing Dragon Slayer)
# mneme
# shelper
# Talitha
# Thoth
# Werebear (replacing Berend)
# Yanqush


Role claims:
>alive
# Jaguar - Idefix, also known as Dogmatix
# Mgm – vouched for Gager97
# VraakX (replacing Untrod Tripod replacing Gager97)
# MMCL – vouched for Metroid Hunter
# Metroid Hunter
# Mr_Gnome_It_All - Asterix
# Recky - the sole representative from Corsica
# Sinister Overlord - Pepe the Spaniard
>dead
# Fuldu - Impedimenta - head snapped - night one
# ZONEACE - Fulliautomatix - stabbed - night one
# gramathy - Geriatrix - missing - night one
# Dragon Phoenix - Anticlimax the Briton - waylaid and head snapped - night two
# Primoris - Beefix the Belgian (Founder Member, TUBE) - suffocated - night two
# Bengel54321 - Obelix - suffocated - night

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I'd also like some feedback from Leo, not to much because of the bandwagon, as his promise to re-read (in post 537) and no report yet to account for it. Even a "can't find anything" will suffice.

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If Leo really is Dogmatix, Jag should be lynched tomorrow. But I'm leaning towards Leo being scum. As Jag laid hints before she claimed, so I'de say she's not barking up the wrong tree.

vote: Leo

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yay, no night kills. Since Beefix and Olaf are "founder members", I'm guessing that they're a mafia group. Also, they are both chiefs of foreign lands. I concur with what FD said in the last post.
MGIA, is Recky Boneywasawarriorwayayix?

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I'm also told he's good with exploding cheeses Weird

Well, that's certainly news to me...I wasn't told anything about exploding cheese.

One of you is hiding something. All the information MGIA said can be found on the website (http://www.asterix.tm.fr). Just go to Obelix's house to the library in "the others". Only one person is from Corsica (Recky's character). So the info MGIA got could just be research as opposed to being investigated. Not saying you can't investigate MGIA, just that your info doesn't prove you can.
Both of MGIA and Recky played tricks earlier. Recky with his "Corisican delegation" and MGIA with his "adding abilities left and right".

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MGIA having this great role with all these abilities as he claims and not taking the time to research to help the town is too much for me.

vote: MGIA

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Ok, in that case I think that Leo should investigate you tonight.

Yes...getting confused between games

Recky the only other mafia game you're presently in is mafia 25 in NY. Leo has said nothing of being a cop in the game. Also, sycko999 is the cop and otaku376 is his back up. Both are dead in that game btw. Care to explain your quotes? And why didn't you say who you were when you claimed where you were from? One more question, why was Leo, mafia, on your mind?

unvote: MGIA
vote: Recky

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Recky doesn't have to be in the game to follow it.

good point. Forgot about reading games.

Since I'm relatively new around here, I'm also following about 10 games to learn what peoples' playing style is around here. I'm still getting confused between different players - I usually do a sanity check before posting, but forgot this time

no worries.

unvote: Recky

I'll go with Tally's hunch/logic and join the wagon.

vote: BlueSin

, whose last post in this game was Aug 9th.
He is at 10 votes. 2 away from lynch.

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BlueSin/Adder is one vote away from lynch. So do we wait for Jag to pick somebody or go with MMCL?

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Cacofonix seems to be a likely character. His singing would be suited to be a role blocker. Perhaps, he's part of the cult as some have said. Maybe Asterix wants to form a new town? I'm pretty sure we have another mafia group besides the TUBE as there were three kills night1. Our sk is gone as with 3 members of the TUBE.
As to whom to vote for, I am not certain.

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In Phoebus's Harry Potter and Mafia vs Werewolves, he had two mafia groups in each game, so I don't think this game is much different.

I'm not sure whether to vote Werebear (Tally's post) or no lynch.
When we decide to no lynch or lynch somebody, the same process should repeat this next night, except for Tally blocking MGIA.

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vote: Werebear

because of the statement cubsfan quoted.

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Mod, could you please give a slight reminder to KingEnigma and Yanqush that this game still exists? They may have forgotten. Thanks.

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In a game this size (29 people), I can't see the Romans as being good. The ability Werebear speaks of is a "day" ability. The fish calling ends the day as he says. But Werebear, what were you doing "night" one when Tally saw you? His avoidance to answer his question (since Tally said she saw him night1) makes me think he is scum even more than his claim.
At least he didn't claim Dogmatix. That would a been really funny.
Before we lynch him, we should have a strategy for tonight. MGIA should investigate MMCL without any interferences, I'd say.

btw: welcome Tigris.

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I wasn't sure exactly what to believe when I first read WB claim, though I leaned toward thinking he's innocent. I just didn't want to get fooled by him again (Old Pond). But Werebear's claim seems believable enough.

unvote: Werebear

Let's see what Corsato has to say about his actions

vote: Corsato

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Sure you can. I never intended to end the day prematurely, I just missed the whole Jaguar/MGIA thing.

And about me voting for Werebear, I thought he was at 8 votes. Stupid me.

I was hoping for something a little more meaty.

I find MMCL's actions a little odd, but not enough to warrant a fos or vote.

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I agree with Tally and Jag that MGIA should select shelper, cubsfan4life or mole for his investigation.

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I'm here as well, just waiting to see what Corsato has to say.
btw: here's an update on claimed players.

Unclaimed Players
# big_kahunia
# Bengel II (replacing Kerplunk)
# cubsfan4life
# Corsato
# mole (replacing Dragon Slayer)
# shelper
# Thoth
# Tigris (replacing KingEnigma)
# Yanqush

Role claims
>alive
# Flying Dutchman – not Gaulish
# Jaguar - Idefix, also known as Dogmatix
# Mgm – vouched for Gager97
# VraakX (replacing Untrod Tripod replacing Gager97)
# MMCL – vouched for Metroid Hunter
# Metroid Hunter
# Mr_Gnome_It_All - Asterix
# Recky - Boneywasawarriorwayayix, sole representative from Corsica
# Sinister Overlord - Pepe the Spaniard
# Talitha - Cacofonix
# Werebear (replacing Berend) - Brutus, a Roman
# mneme – vouched for Werebear
>dead
# Fuldu - Impedimenta - head snapped - night one
# ZONEACE - Fulliautomatix - stabbed - night one
# gramathy - Geriatrix - missing - night one
# Dragon Phoenix - Anticlimax the Briton - waylaid and head snapped - night two
# Primoris - Beefix the Belgian (Founder Member, TUBE) - suffocated - night two
# Bengel54321 - Obelix - suffocated - night two
# Leonidas - Olaf Timandahaf (Founder Member, TUBE) - swung from a tree by his neck - day two
# Adder (replaces BlueSin) - Herendethelessen the Viking (Founder Member, TUBE) - disbelieved and banished - day three

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I suppose it is also possible that Beefis was the only cult member that could kill; however, I also find that to be unlikely.

How did the conclusion that Beefix was the only cutl member that could kill come to your mind? I know you said it's unlikey, but what were your reasons? just curious.

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sorry forgot to do this in the previous post.

w/ Corsato being gone till Sunday,

unvote: Corsato

, no matter how scummy he may appear, everyone deserves some breathing room, esp while they're gone. 1 vote away is too close.

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hm. The reasoning isn't great for lynching Corsato, but he hasn't helped himself out too much. I'm going to hold off on voting him.
Trying to think why Corsato doesn't want to claim one vote away from lynch. Usually claiming is a last ditch effort to avoid lynch. If one vote away from lynch isn't pressure to claim I don't know what is.
Possible Reasons for Corsato withholding his role:
A) He has a definite scum role
B) He is an importance town role
C) Some other reason I haven't thought of

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If Corsato had an important role for town, I most probably would've seen him out and about at night.

That's enough for me.

vote: Corsato

Tally clears it up the possibilities among my two main reasons for the role of Corsato--important townie or scum.

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yep, Corsato is done in this game. my vote slipped the stool from under his feet and now Corsato hangs.

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My heart bleeds peanut butter for ya, Corsato.

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I think we'd all like to hear from Yangush.
MGIA - what was your investigative result?

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Couple things,

a knife near his hand

I think Tally didn't write the message. The above statement is key. The knife is "near" his hand and not "in" his hand. The words "Yanqush were" indictate, had it been Cacofonix, that he ran out of time before he could finish carving. If it was Cacofonix, why wasn't the knife found "in" his hand since he didn't have time to finish? This makes me believe Tally didn't write it. Though, Yanqush could have written it and have us think he was framed. So the words "Yanqush were" don't prove he is one of the head snappers nor do they prove he is an innocent person.
oh btw: Since Tally was killed in her treehouse, she was doing her cop thing. But that's pretty obvious.

Not sure who Justforkix is. I'll look it up later. Cubs and MGIA could be in a cult. hm. What to make of MGIA, I don't know right now. FD said he wasn't recruitable and he was foreigner. MMCL is Gaulish and couldn't be recruited, so who is recruitable?
More coming later.

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I think Recky is our best candidate right now.

The cult bribes. I was unable to be recruited since I'm rich already.

well, maybe recky might know why his quarters are full of new, expensive furniture stuff?

Not only this, but remember on day 3 when MGIA first investigated Recky and spoke of exploding cheeses and Recky denying it.

I'm also told he's good with exploding cheeses Weird

Well, that's certainly news to me...I wasn't told anything about exploding cheese.

As I stated later that day, one of the two is lying. Now I think it’s Recky. If Recky’s innocent, then let’s say bye-bye to Mr Gnome It All.

unvote: whoever
vote: Recky

Here ya go Bengel:

Unclaimed Players

big_kahunia
Bengel II (replacing Kerplunk)
mole (replacing Dragon Slayer)
shelper
Thoth
Tigris (replacing KingEnigma)
Yanqush

Unclaimed but vouched-for (or vouching-for) players

Mgm – vouched for Gager97
VraakX (replacing Untrod Tripod replacing Gager97)
Metroid Hunter - vouched for by MMCL

Roleclaimed players

Alive

Flying Dutchman – not Gaulish
Jaguar - Idefix, also known as Dogmatix
Mr_Gnome_It_All - Asterix
MMCL - "member of the village", also vouched for Metroid Hunter
Recky - Boneywasawarriorwayayix, sole representative from Corsica
Sinister Overlord - Pepe the Spaniard
Werebear (replacing Berend) - Brutus, a Roman
mneme – must be a Roman - vouched for Werebear
cubsfan4life – Justforkix a Gaul

Dead

Fuldu - Impedimenta - head snapped - night one
ZONEACE - Fulliautomatix - stabbed - night one
gramathy - Geriatrix - missing - night one
Dragon Phoenix - Anticlimax the Briton - waylaid and head snapped - night two
Primoris - Beefix the Belgian (Founder Member, TUBE) - suffocated - night two
Bengel54321 - Obelix - suffocated - night two
Leonidas - Olaf Timandahaf (Founder Member, TUBE) - swung from a tree by his neck - day two
Adder (replaces BlueSin) - Herendethelessen the Viking (Founder Member, TUBE) - disbelieved and banished - day three
Corsato - Ekonomikrisis the Phoenician - Boromir'ed - day four
Talitha - Cacofonix the Bard - head snapped - night five

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If Recky’s innocent, then let’s say bye-bye to Mr Gnome It All.

That is: "I'm starting a bandwagon on Recky. If I'm wrong, it's Gnome's fault so we lynch him."

I probably could have phrased it better. But the fact of the minor scuffle between MGIA and Recky day 3 is completely ignored in your post. Based on that and some new info was the reason for my vote on Recky. Tell me where the logic is wrong?

It's really not the time to try to set up yet another MGIA bandwagon.

I didn’t vote for MGIA this day (day 3 was my last vote for him); I voted for Recky. Based on the insights from day 3, Recky or MGIA is lying. If Recky is telling the truth (which I doubt), then MGIA must be lying and that is why he should go.


Shelper, those are some good things to come up with regarding the yanqush and werebear stuff. If you are correct, Yanqush most likely is a Roman with WB and mneme. Though first, I must reconsider for myself whether or not Tally or neck snapper carved message.

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hm...
Does anyone who reads the comics know anyone who has "an odd smell"?
Or shelper could you shed some light for us?

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And so, Recky decided to die an honourable death. Almost strung up to hang, he brought out a little piece of cheese from pocket and swallowed it. And he exploded. Ugh! Honourable?

Since the mod typed it up that Recky had exploding cheeses, I find it highly unlikely that Recky did not know about it. Mods usually alert the player as much info about their role as possible. Since Recky denied that he had exploding cheeses, I believe he was a baddie.

fos SinisterOverlord

, the reason for the fos is that he was outed day1. Since the cult bribes ppl, it would make sense that a kid (PePe) would love extra cash to buy PS2 and other things. He would have been a great choice for the cult to target night 2. Since I don't have any proof, it remains a fos and not a vote.

Shelper, what do you think of the Unhygenix theory?

mole, what are/is your reason(s) for voting me?

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I agree that B_K not knowing about the exploding cheeses at least -points- to him being a baddie, though we didn't really get a good idea from the mod as to whether he was one; it's possible that the player was mistaken or misinformed. Regardless, it does help confirm MGIA.

I’m guessing you meant Recky and not myself.

"any excuse to lynch" playstyle…jumping to conclusions, and trying to guide the town around them

you're jumping to conclusions way too much for my liking.

If you guys have any logical leads, I’m open to hear what they are. Are my conclusions logical, being based on something firm? I contend that they are. Yesterday, the town didn’t really have any leads, so I tried to put something logically together. Judging from Phoebus’s death scene of Recky, I believe my hypothesis was correct as you (mole) admitted. What

is

to your liking, mole? That we sit and wait for something to happen (like scum knocking us off one by one)?
“any excuse to lynch”? Mneme, you were on the Corsato and Recky bandwagons. Both those wagons were logically based. I don't see your grounds for the statement.
As for my

fos

on SO, I

clearly said

it was a fos and not a vote since pretty much no concrete evidence exists, only speculation.

My suspicions of MGIA have decreased, but I still have an eye on him

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Sorry I didn’t reply sooner, school has been busy.

Anyway, can anyone clarify for me (well, big_kahunia more specifically) why does his statement of

I think it’s Recky. If Recky’s innocent, then let’s say bye-bye to Mr Gnome It All.

chnaged to

My suspicions of MGIA have decreased, but I still have an eye on him

I what I mean is why is he less suspicious/did something happed that I missed?
If still suspicious, why not follow up what he said yesterday, instead of digging up a new suspicion?
If not suspicious, why did it change?

Ok, here are my reasons for “lessening” my suspicions of MGIA. As you all know, I presumed that if Recky was bad, MGIA was good. And if Recky was good, MGIA was bad.
This presumption arose from the fact that they contradicted each other.

I'm also told he's good with exploding cheeses Weird

Well, that's certainly news to me...I wasn't told anything about exploding cheese.

The thought crossed my mind, “Why would Recky lie about the exploding cheeses?”
Then when Phoebus wrote:

And so, Recky decided to die an honourable death. Almost strung up to hang, he brought out a little piece of cheese from pocket and swallowed it. And he exploded. Ugh! Honourable?!

Phoebus' writing confirmed to me that Recky was bad. This is because in my role, it is pretty well outlined with my abilities and such and how they are done. So, I believed Recky’s role description was too. I highly doubt Phoebus would keep from Recky that he had exploding cheeses. So when Recky died of exploding via his cheese and that he earlier had denied having exploding cheese lead me to believe that he is bad. Why would he lie if he wasn’t?
Thus, with Recky being bad, my conclusion is that MGIA is good as I described earlier in this post. The fact that MGIA has given useful information adds to the believe that he is good. So since he is good, my suspicions of him lessened.

Careful big_k, "I still think I'm right" is not that great a defense, and "Well, I bet you want to sit around and do nothing while the mafia kills us all" isn't even one at all. And this:

Judging from Phoebus’s death scene of Recky, I believe my hypothesis was correct as you (mole) admitted.

just doesn't make sense. What's this I admitted? Certainly not that you were correct.

The mod mentioned the same cheeses so that means you were correct in killing him, despite us being given no other indication whatsoever that he was evil? I don't buy either of those theories.

It was late my time when I posted the quote that you put in your above post (the first, not the second). At that time, I missed that you asked rhetorical question and thought it was a statement.

I do agree that the game has stalled and something needs to be done; likely a bandwagon would help.

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FOS is (basically) stronger than a vote, except late.

I’ve always thought the opposite. For example, if it 10 to lynch, ten

fos

won’t lynch you, but ten votes will. But whatever.

Mole: I still don’t quite understand your reasons for voting me: “jumping to conclusions way too much for my liking.” If we don’t come to conclusions (hypothesis), how can we find scum? Random lynching is not the best method.
Scum, if you could claim Dogmatix that would be greatly appreciated.

MH hasn't posted anywhere on this site since August 12, 2004, 10:03.am, missing the entire month of Sept w/o a post. He doesn't look like he's coming back. I think we need a replacement for him.

We haven’t heard from Tigris in a while. I’d like to hear what she has to say.

Phoebus, it’s 5 to lynch at deadline (this Thursday), correct?

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welcome back, KingEnigma

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After some rereading I came up with this:

Unclaimed Players
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Bengel II (replacing Kerplunk)
mole (replacing Dragon Slayer)
shelper
Thoth
Tigris (replacing KingEnigma)
Yanqush

Unclaimed but vouched-for (or vouching-for) players
Mgm – vouched for Gager97
VraakX (replacing Untrod Tripod replacing Gager97)
Metroid Hunter - vouched for by MMCL

Roleclaimed players
Alive
Flying Dutchman – not Gaulish
Jaguar - Idefix, also known as Dogmatix
Mr_Gnome_It_All - Asterix
MMCL - "member of the village", also vouched for Metroid Hunter
Recky - Boneywasawarriorwayayix, sole representative from Corsica
Sinister Overlord - Pepe the Spaniard
Werebear (replacing Berend) - Brutus, a Roman
mneme – must be a Roman - vouched for Werebear
cubsfan4life – Justforkix a Gaul
Dead
Fuldu - Impedimenta - head snapped - night one
ZONEACE - Fulliautomatix - stabbed - night one
gramathy - Geriatrix - missing - night one
Dragon Phoenix - Anticlimax the Briton - waylaid and head snapped - night two
Primoris - Beefix the Belgian (Founder Member, TUBE) - suffocated - night two
Bengel54321 - Obelix - suffocated - night two
Leonidas - Olaf Timandahaf (Founder Member, TUBE) - swung from a tree by his neck - day two
Adder (replaces BlueSin) - Herendethelessen the Viking (Founder Member, TUBE) - disbelieved and banished - day three
Corsato - Ekonomikrisis the Phoenician - Boromir'ed - day four
Talitha - Cacofonix the Bard - head snapped - night five

mneme vouched for Werebear when WB was wagoned:

Werebear is telling the truth.

Except for the part about "haddock" actually killing someone -- I'm not quite sure why he managed to read that into the role; our "haddock" is just a weak mayor ability (ending the day with no lynch). Obviously, we don't want to use it unless otherwise the town would lynch a mason (or other known non-scum).

Basically, mneme and WB are Roman masons.

Much earlier in the game, mneme wrote:

Ok, I've read through.
vote: Werebear* for shamelessly bandwagonning and seemingly claiming it wasn't.

Why would he vote WB if he was his mason. Masons almost never vote each other since they know each other to be innocent. The reason, I contend that mneme voted WB, was that if WB was lynched being bad, it would make mneme look more innocent.
*I removed the bold tags.

Also, I didn’t think of it at the time, but a

Roman

being a mayor role of a

Gaulish

village, I don’t buy that.

vote: mneme

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And what would have happened had one of them been suspected of being too 'nice' to the other? Friendly people are assumed to be scum, and claiming mason might not have convinced people. Voting known innocents to lower suspicion is a perfectly valid tactic, whether you're scum, mason or whatever. By no means is it a flaw in the argument, IMO.

mneme vouched for Werebear when WB was wagoned:

Werebear is telling the truth.

Except for the part about "haddock" actually killing someone -- I'm not quite sure why he managed to read that into the role; our "haddock" is just a weak mayor ability (ending the day with no lynch). Obviously, we don't want to use it unless otherwise the town would lynch a mason (or other known non-scum).

Basically, mneme and WB are Roman masons.

Much earlier in the game, mneme wrote:

Ok, I've read through.
vote: Werebear* for shamelessly bandwagonning and seemingly claiming it wasn't.

Why would he vote WB if he was his mason. Masons almost never vote each other since they know each other to be innocent. The reason, I contend that mneme voted WB, was that if WB was lynched being bad, it would make mneme look more innocent.

Not exactly sure what your reasons are for your hypothesis (a flaw in the argument). Let me explain my argument better.
Mneme voted Werebear way before either had claimed to be Romans. If WB is scum and lynched, mneme by voting him will appear to be innocent since he voted scum. I never meant to imply WB was innocent in my original post (part quoted above).

There's a major flaw in your logic. He didn't say they were the mayor or anything. He said that he had the ability to end the day without a lynch, which is in standard games an ability belonging to the mayor role. In a themed game like this, abilities belonging to characters frequently have no connection with the 'standard' usage of that role. If two townies can communicate at night in a theme game, does that mean they spend their daytime building things?

our "haddock" is just a weak mayor ability (ending the day with no lynch)

mneme says it is a mayor ability or role if you will. According to mneme's definition of what they, it sounds like a standard use of the role.
As far as theme games go, Asterix is a little different than Designer II (the only other big theme game you’ve been involved in on mscum). The governor role as I understand it is to stop a lynch of someone when that person has the majority. I believe that is the “standard” use of the role. I have seen the role used in its “standard” form in a game played in theme park as in Dr. Seuss mafia:

Fuldu,Governor,Queen of Quincy
…
You are a governor type role. You may, once during the game, send me a PM requesting that someone be saved from a lynch. You may send the PM any time, but it will only work the same (or following, if it's night or twilight) day.

This has the same feel as a standard use.
True, mods sometimes do try to add a “twist” to a standard role. It changes the role. If the modified ability has no connection with the “standard” usage, perhaps it was never similar to the standard role in the first place. Example, you can protect a player. Mod would keep the info away from the player: on odd night, kills the target but on even nights protects the target. One wouldn’t call this a modified cop role since it has “no connection to a cop”.
I’m not quite I grasp your example of the townies talking at night.

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The cult bribes with money, right? Which characters, then, possess the most money? The Romans have gotta be up there, esp w/ the taxes they recieve from the people. I believe they would get taxes; though, I've never read Asterix before.
Since the Romans have money and the cult bribes w/ money, that is another reason I'm voting mneme.

Also, we have had 6 nights. Since the cult recruits at night and two people (FD and MMCL) have said they haven't been bought out, 4 people were recruited. That is if the cult didn't try to recruit one of the nights. My guess is that there are 7 to 5 people in a cult, depending on how many people the cult started with.

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Yeah, I think you're right about the 1 night kill and the 2 "forced leaves."
MMCL and MH were shieldbearers for the Chief. You may know who the Chief of the village is now based on MMCL's actions. Though, I don't think MMCL was targeted last night, I believe he took one for the Chief.
I believe both WB and MH were outed to balance the game--one from the cult (my guess from yesterday) and one from the town (specially a mason group).
I'm going to

vote: mneme

since he is a Roman and I believe they are evil in this game.

Bengel could you refresh my memory as to which parts of my logic were "crap".

MGIA, what was your result?

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The person I investigated last night is the Gaulish Chieftain.

Well, the cat is out of the bag. So I'll confirm. I am Vitalstatistix, the Chieftain of the Gauls. I was in a mason w/ MH and MMCL.

Werebear (and presumably, MH) was modlkilled for inactivity. BK, are you seriously suggesting that Phoebus would modkill a mafia member because he was modkilling your teammate?
Doesn't it make far more sense that he would expell, oh, (I haven't checked) the two players who never posted yesterday?

Well, ok, it does make sense that Phoebus would modkill both of them for inactivity, with that being the

main

reason. I think you are right in that WB didn't post yesterday (at least I don't recall it). Since I believe WB to be mafia and know MH is on the other side, I think that made the decision easier. Is that "mafia member" statement rhetorical or a slip?

As far as the identity of the cult, if it's not the Romans, who is?

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I would agree with mole on this one that the mafia and cult are the one and the same. I believe them to be the Romans. Since the TUBE is in parenthesis and we know them to be evil, this adds to the evidence that the Romans are bad since they are in parenthesis (sp?). So let's rid ourselves of them.

Since we've had 7 nights, I suspect the cult to have added 4 members. Two declined, FD and MMCL. One was lynched (Recky). Recky was in the cult because he had expensive furniture. My guess is that three Romans started this game (3 ppl were mafia in HP mafia and mafia vs. werewolves). With WB dying, that leaves two. [These numbers are estimates]. That leaves six baddies out of 15.

Those yet to check in today:
cubsfan4life
Thoth -- on vacation in a card tournament
VraakX (replacing Untrod Tripod replacing Gager97)
Yanqush

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I can talk today, but I can't talk with my fellow masons for the next 2 nights, because FD (Cleopatra) found. In those nights I have to use my incredible bedroom skills to keep FD in constant ecstasy. I'm not sure whether I'm allowed to talk to FD during those nights, should we find some breath at some point. I'll ask that to Phoebus.

I still think the Romans are who they say they are. Didn't that just prove they had that... and wouldn't that be too powerful if they were the cult?

“Because Cleopatra found” What does that mean? It sounds like FD can “find” people.
I was beginning to wonder at the end of yesterday if the Romans weren’t the cult and that if FD was. Cleopatra, queen of Egypt, sounds like a character who would be rich.

As for the Romans, in Harry Potter, the mafia had powers in that game. So I don’t see why they can’t have powers here. Julius Caesar sounds like a mafia godfather. The Haddock Head thing could be a way to prevent them from being lynched.

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But wasn't FD the one who put forward the bribing people thing to explain why the cult

failed

to recruit him?

Yeah. I'm trying to comprehend the mechanics of this game, but that's not working too well.

Yay! Found my Caesar! Yes, I'm indeed Cleopatra.....

Took me 8 shots to hit my goal after all....

What happened to the other 8 shots? Why do you have to find Caesar?
I know those statements seem like fishing, but I don't get the roles of Cleo and Caesar right now.

FD did tell us the cult bribes with money. Since Cleopatra is so unbelievably rich, she would have enough money to bribe with. FD could have pulled a fast one by revealing we had a cult, trying to look innocent. Though I haven't read the comics, so I don't know what motives Cleopatra has and whether they'd be for conquering the Gauls or helping them.

From Thoth's post, it sounds like FD and Thoth take out each other (not night choices/abilities) for them w/ being in "contant ecstasy" ^_^
What type of roles do you guys think would cancel each other out for two nights?

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Herring sounds like some Swedish dish. Pasta makes perfect sense for the Romans, since their Italians.
An "out of town townie"? You are probably a chief from the northeast (Viking, Swedish chief, et al), I'm guessing by what you eat.

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KingEngima certainly could be a member of the TUBE. I've seen four member mafia groups in big games. Though, Corsato was foreign but wasn't a member of TUBE. So not sure about KE.

The thing that concerns me the most is the cult we have on own hands.
Unless we find the Spainish Chief, I think our little Pepe must go. After all, weren't the chiefs of all the villages/placed invited. On day one, it was said that Pepe was accompaning his father the Spainish Chief. But if there is no Spainish Chief, who is SinisterOverlord accompaning?

[big_kahunia]

De mortuis nil nisi bonum

: (Speak nothing but good of the dead) 16
# Fuldu - Impedimenta - head snapped - night one
# ZONEACE - Fulliautomatix - stabbed - night one
# gramathy - Geriatrix - missing - night one
# Dragon Phoenix - Anticlimax the Briton - waylaid and head snapped - night two
# Primoris - Beefix the Belgian (Founder Member, TUBE) - suffocated - night two
# Bengel54321 - Obelix - suffocated - night two
# Leonidas - Olaf Timandahaf (Founder Member, TUBE) - swung from a tree by his neck - day two
# Adder (replaces BlueSin) - Herendethelessen the Viking (Founder Member, TUBE) - disbelieved and banished - day three
# Corsato - Ekonomikrisis the Phoenician - Boromir'ed - day four
# Talitha - Cacofonix the Bard - head snapped - night five
# Recky - Boneywasawarriorwayayix the Corsican - exploded - day five
# Metroid Hunter - Sixpax, Shieldbearer - left Gaul - night seven
# Werebear (replacing Berend) - Brutus (Rep. EoR) - lleft Gaul - night seven
# MMCL - Ballistix, Shieldbearer - stabbed - night seven
# Mgm - Unhygienix, Fishmonger - stabbed - night eight
# shelper - Singularis Porcus - suffered a predictable fate - night eight

From the above, we still have a head snapper and a stabber. The stabber’s last kill by Mgm night 8. The head snapper’s last kill was Talitha night 5. It doesn’t appear that we’ve lynched a baddie since night 5. WB is probably bad since he’s in parenthesis like the TUBE members. Whether a group can kill by the same method, I don’t really know. They could and they could not. I'm thinking of voting KingEnigma, but I think there is something w/ Thoth/FD that's more than meets the eye.

As for the Romans no lynch ability, it may be there to save them from being lynched—mafia w/ powers.

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With this game's 1233 posts (including this one and the one that starts [zero]), Asterix mafia is the longest game on mafiascum!!! And we still got 13/29 players alive, which is 44.8%. We are all apart of history people!!!

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That is six on him. Don't lynch him right now, at least until he answers my question.

KE, if you're a member of the TUBE or mafia, did you guys have powers in addition to killing? The answer is very important.

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Actually with the cult on the lose, we need all the pro town players we can get. Whether or not KE's one of them. I don't know.

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I haven't read the comics, but aren't most chieftians/foreigners with a group of people? In this game it seems that only one character from one location/tribe is invited. He could be bad, no question. But it would not be because nobody has backed him.

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If you are investigated, MGIA will just get your name. I don't think anyone doubts who you are, but what you are. It doesn't appear that we have a "innocent" or "guilty" cop. We would gain nothing from the investigation. Sounds like scum wanting to eat up an investigation. Why would you be killed?
I think you're scum, but I want to answer this question:

KE, if you're a member of the TUBE or mafia, did you guys have powers in addition to killing?

[big_kahunia]

Big_Kahunia: er...why would scum ever answer your question?

And if they did answer your question, why would they ever tell the truth? Wouldn't they just say whatever they thought was most likely to help their group win?

It was more wishful thinking than expecting him to tell. I thought that if he was the last one of his mafia (probably TUBE) that he would give up and help the town to catch the other group. You are correct.
I believe we are one away from a lynch.

[big_kahunia]

Thanks Jag for the post w/ characters and death summary. I'd also like to hear from Cubs. Cubs, did your role tell you anything about Fuldu, the Chief's wife and your character's aunt?
From the list of characters, the Romans seem bad. *waits from mneme to blast me again*

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Bravura is the english name for Maestria (French). I believe everyone's name has been in English. Not quite sure what to make of Bengel.
Here ya go Thoth:

Now THIS, I have to hear.

What more do you have to hear? How much more obvious can I get...?

Let's just say:

Gauloises, mes soeurs ! Libérez-vous de vos chaînes !

[big_kahunia]

Sorry for the double post, but the french is word for word as from the site that Phoebus gave in Ses mots préférés in the character bio.

[big_kahunia]

I think before we worry about the other killing group, we need to take out the Romans and Cleopatra, who is hand in hand with Julius.

vote: FD

MGIA, I think you should use your vig ability on mneme or Thoth.

[big_kahunia]

Whoa now. Wait people. Bengel is at 5/6 for lynch. I strongly urge you to unvote him.

Huge FOS: Big_Kahunia, for following the nonsense of someone who's about to be lynched, and even trying to take other people out as well......

What's wrong with following someone is about to be lynched, especially if the cult is bigger than the town? I am convinced that you and the Romans are scum/cult/whatever, just plain ole baddies.

It's not only the role-NAME, in the comic that woman managed to banish all men from town, she was destroying the entire community. I can't see how Big_Kahunia thinks that is more pro-town than Cleopatra....

The banishment was

in the comic

. There is no evidence what so ever that Bengel's role does that

in the game

. From your posts, the cult gains members by "bribing". Tell me Mr. Dutchman, how is a plain Gaul supposed to bribe people to her? I seriously doubt Bengel is scum. One group are all foreign cheiftains (TUBE). Bengel is Gaulish and doesn't fit that description. I am convinced more than ever that the Romans are scum. I don't care how many OMGUS votes I get from mneme, I will not change my mind. My vote stays on FD for supporting the Romans.

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You did OMGUS vote me here. But I don't care about that. I am of the conviction that the Romans are bad. Looking at the list of roles left, who else could it be? Since Phoebus doesn't reveal alignments, we don't know for sure whether WB was bad or not. There are clues though. [more coming later ere i miss my bus]

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De mortuis nil nisi bonum:

(Speak nothing but good of the dead) 19
# Fuldu - Impedimenta - head snapped - night one
# ZONEACE - Fulliautomatix - stabbed - night one
# gramathy - Geriatrix - missing - night one
# Dragon Phoenix - Anticlimax the Briton - waylaid and head snapped - night two
# Primoris - Beefix the Belgian (Founder Member, TUBE) - suffocated - night two
# Bengel54321 - Obelix - suffocated - night two
# Leonidas - Olaf Timandahaf (Founder Member, TUBE) - swung from a tree by his neck - day two
# Adder (replaces BlueSin) - Herendethelessen the Viking (Founder Member, TUBE) - disbelieved and banished - day three
# Corsato - Ekonomikrisis the Phoenician - Boromir'ed - day four
# Talitha - Cacofonix the Bard - head snapped - night five
# Recky - Boneywasawarriorwayayix the Corsican - exploded - day five
# Metroid Hunter - Sixpax, Shieldbearer - left Gaul - night seven
# Werebear (replacing Berend) - Brutus (Rep. EoR) - lleft Gaul - night seven
# MMCL - Ballistix, Shieldbearer - stabbed - night seven
# Mgm - Unhygienix, Fishmonger - stabbed - night eight
# shelper - Singularis Porcus - suffered a predictable fate - night eight
# KingEnigma - Metric the Goth - lynched - day eight
# Yanqush - Getafix the druid - stabbed - night nine
# mole (replacing Dragon Slayer) - Wahtzisnehm, Indian Advisor - poisoned - night nine[/b]

Night 1 - 2 deaths and 1 missing. (head snapper and stabber)
Night 2 - 3 deaths (head snapper and two by suffocation - killed eachother)
Night 3 - NO DEATHS
Night 4 - NO DEATHS
Night 5 - 1 death (head snapper)
Night 6 - NO DEATHS
Night 7 - 1 death, 2 left Gaul (stabber)
Night 8 - 2 deaths (stabber and ?? Wild Boar Roast)
Night 9 - 2 deaths (stabber and poisoner)

The third TUBE member was lynched on day 3. Since then, we have had one kill or no kills until night 8. Night 8 is where something died by stabbing and the wild boar died. Since Obelix could go, boar hunting as a safety precaution, someone may have that option at nights and killed the boar. Also, in night 8, Cleo and Julius found each other. We had two kills night 9. I was thinking about this. It could be possible that the remaining Roman can kill and that Cleo and Julius can kill.

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Well, you all know who I don't trust what so ever: FD, Thoth, and mneme.
Jag, "fine" things. Is that as far a smell of something that smells good or a scent of him having nice possessions?
MGIA, don't forget to kill mneme tonight.

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True, that we don't have a true confirmation. But MMCL's word is enough for me. It is a good possibility that Cubs was recruited. But to take out of the cult, we need to cut off the source. I see the source as FD. As for FD's argument of why would reveal myself, I think you're trying to pull a fast one.

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Four deaths, whoa. Hm.. As has been said, MGIA and mneme took each other out. The romans did have the short sword (mneme killed MGIA w/ it), so those deaths can be associated w/ the Romans. Not sure right now what to think of the poisoner.

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The poisoning did not occur until Unhygienix was dead. So, I'm wondering if his character turned bad when her husband died. Thoth would be a good choice if you're evil since you were helping the town rid baddies. Well, Corsato was foriegn and wasn't bad as we saw much earlier than when mole was killed, so your

My first hunch when starting the game was that all foreigners were evil. So I targeted mole.

doesn't quite fit. Not that it was a bad hunch, just when Corsato died, it might have changed your belief.
Not sure whether to vote you or not with the cult out there, assumingly. I'll think more about it later.

[big_kahunia]

Before I vote Cubs for probably being in the rich cult. What other things have you smelled Jag? I think we can take out a cult member (Cubs) and then the poisoner tomorrow since there will be 4 of us (3 to 1 over Barbarian).

[big_kahunia]

thanks Jag. If it's not too much trouble, could we have your results in list form?

vote: Cubs

[big_kahunia]

One more guys for Cubs.

[big_kahunia]

The charge against you Cubs is that Jag smelled "fine things" in your possession. This indicates that you are in the cult. That is why you have votes.

[big_kahunia]

Jag, "fine" things. Is that as far a smell of something that smells good or a scent of him having nice possessions?

Possessions as far as I can tell. Still looks to me like he could have been recruited by a cult.

[big_kahunia]

thanks Jag for the results. Vig and cop masons aren't out of the ordinary.
What can you to prove your innocense? It depends on what happens after Cubs is lynched. If we win the game, obvivious nothing will need to be done.
If you do kill your targets should not be myself or Jaguar. I suggest that Jag should sniff SinOver or Bengel to smell "fine" things. Barbarian's poison could have a negative effect on Dogmatix's nose and plus, we know he has the poison. I don't think you should kill anyone tonight Barbarian.

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C'mon, Barbarian or SinOver, put the last vote on Cubs.
"You're wrong"? Is that the best defense you can muster? It makes me believe you're cult all the more.
If Cubs isn't lynched, Barbarian, you can make a pro kill and take out Cubs this night. If he is lynched, I recommend you do nothing tonight.

You are reading my mind

[big_kahunia]

So Jag, who'd ya sniff? And what are the results?

[big_kahunia]

vote: Bengel

Why? Bengel's character doesn't seem like one would like the ocean. The ocean as Jag said insinuates a pirate. Pirates have a lot of bounty, right. Perhaps he is the cult leader.
If we head into night, Barbarian may want to kill SinOverlord. Sin may have been recruited since PePe looks like a regular townie. If we still haven't won, Jag and I can lynch Barbarian. The list of people I trust most: Jag, Barbarian, SinOverlord, and Bengel.

[big_kahunia]

Bengel's claimed character, that is Maestria.

[big_kahunia]

I say we take him (SinOverlord) out tonight--nip him in the bud asap.

[big_kahunia]

BOO-YAH!
Great game Phoebus!!!!!!!!! Immense fun. Too bad I never used my ability. oh well.