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Pre-game flavor discussion, I see. Boring. Speculating on the setup before the game even starts is a foolish move, because it gives scum ideas. 'nuff said.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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This game seems to have started without me noticing. Guess there's a first time for everything.
Setup speculation early D1 in a closed setup = terrible idea. It helps no one but the scum.
Also,, since the apparent strong hesitation to go along with ML's plan has some interesting implications.vote: ShadowknightBecause, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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I'm a page or two behind at the moment, so I can't comment on the recent developments, but this is just a post to say that I'll be V/LA until Thursday night, possibly Friday. Sorry for the inconvenience.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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This game is movingfast!
After a quick skim of the last couple pages to avoid fallingtoofar behind, I noticed Isacc's plan. I like it. Mostly because after the Mini that's what I told him would have been a better idea for use with VanDamien, whose role this sounds exactly like (as scum, I obviously preferred an easy mislynch to a good idea in the Mini). So yeah, I agree with myself, and Isacc, and MoS.
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I doubt my vote is valid anymore, since it's been 10+ pages since I made it.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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Alright. This has been bothering me for a bit, so I had to come mention it.
The speculation about Black Ajah is stupid, and contradicts the mod's own words.
Note the bold.Kinetic, in rules post wrote:There may or may not be Aes Sedai in this game.If they are, they will be bound to these oaths.AllAes Sedai must follow the Three Oaths according to the mod's own words. This means that Black Ajah Aes Sedai either do not exist, or are bound by the oaths. Given that Kinetic is a good mod, and knows how to balance a setup, he would not put roles into a game that must claim scum if asked.
The logical conclusion is that there are none of the Black Ajah in the game. All Aes Sedai should be assumed town in my opinion.
That's all I came here for. Tomorrow is my last day fo school, so soon I will be able to read the thread and get caught up.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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Back and reading. Hoping like crazy that this game has less Walls-o-text than the last one I had to reread.
Expect a post maybe today, but much more likely tomorrow.
Terribly, terribly sorry for being V/LA for so long. School is essentially over now (all that's left is 6 AP exams over the next 2 weeks), so I should be around a good deal more often from now on. I dislike lurking as a general rule, so I will make every effort to correct that distasteful behavior.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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This game is more of a doozy than I was expecting. The time I allotted for it was not enough. I reeeeeeaaaalllyy hope I can get caught up fully tomorrow.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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Alright, I’m just gonna post the notes I took as I read, instead of trying to condense them into some sort of logical pattern.
First, we get a shitload of speculation and stupid plans. Nothing useful to the town. Bunches of scum-candy though.
Then we get Fabian, with his “drunkposting” which he follows us with a claim that I totally don’t buy. Why would a Wisdom have a guaranteed doc protect, when Aes Sedai, much more powerful healers, have only a 50% chance of protecting in the Mini?
Then we get to Spyrex’s claim to try to confirm Fabian. Given what we know of the role from the Mini, I think that Spyrex is town, and shouldnotbe lynched, as the reasoning that many are using to get him lynched was the exact same scum-driven reasoning that got us the mislynch in the Mini.
FoS: Flay, Tenchi, Fabian, Moratorium, KoC
Now after all of that, we move to the wagon on Mr. Flay. As of this point I don’t see much of a problem with it. The Jester-lynch thing I actually have a reference for. Mini Theme: Carnival Mafia (dunno the number), Empking pushed for a DDD lynch on the basis that he was probably a Jester (he was). We lynched Empking the next Day, and he was scum.
And now we’re off to the issue with Albert. I don’t like that he claimed, obviously, since he wasn’t even under that much pressure, but I believe the claim. Also, I’ve already mentioned my position on the Black Ajah thing, so I’m treating Albert as confirmed town unless something happens later to make me think he isn’t actually Aes Sedai.
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Black Ajah Aes Sedai are still Aes SedaiThat doesn't change anything. The mod isn't lying if he says "all Aes Sedai are forced to follow the oaths" when the Black Ajah isn't even really Aes Sedai as much as Power-Wielding Darkfriends who have infiltrated the organization.by definition. Therefore, they would have to follow the oaths if they were in the game. I stand by my point.
Now there’s a pissing match between Albert and Isacc. Null in my eyes.
More debate about Albert’s claim. I do not like the short little chime-ins by Mydrunner and Tenchi, but that’s just gut at the moment.
Now we get to an interesting post by Shadowknight, saying that he has not detected the Power being used.
vote: Fabian
The following wagon on SK makes some sense, but not voting Fabian, the obvious liar, is stupid.
Now Albert confirms that Fabian is lying through his teeth. Seems SK and Albert are town, and Fabian is scum, as I thought.
FINALLY, a Fabian wagon. And with that, I’m caught up.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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Read my first comments on the subject. The mod says in the rules post that if there are Aes Sedai in this game, they WILL be bound by the three Oaths. Therefore, as Black AjahBenmage wrote:
No they don't have to follow the 3 oaths. Obviously if you asked a member of the Black Ajah if they were Black Ajah they would lie to you and say they weren't...geeze this isn't a hard concept.Kairyuu wrote: Black Ajah Aes Sedai are still Aes Sedaiby definition. Therefore, they would have to follow the oaths if they were in the game. I stand by my point.Aes Sedaiare, BY DEFINITION, Aes Sedai, they would be bound by the three oaths if in the game. Following from that, they must not be in the game because having scum who would have to claim scum if asked would be poor balance.
You're implication that I am stupid while at the same token proving that you have no knowlege of the discussion you are commenting on does not reflect well on you. If you're going to comment on something, try to make sure you understand it first.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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@Benmage:
Pfft. Now you're actually outright calling me ignorant. Do not imply, or directly state, that I am stupid/ignorent/anything else insulting. I do not take kindly to insults.Your interpretation is way too strict, and your ignorance is going to cause confusion of those who are not very familiar with WoT.
I know the source material. Don't preach to me.I understand the Wheel of Time and I know that Black Ajah are believed to be Aes Sedai and therefore are believed to be bound by the three oaths, but in actuality they aren’t. (Interpret it as the AS title is a front and that they aren’t AS but simply servants to the dark)
The mod clearly mentioned something. I find it extremely odd that people can actually look at a statement made by the mod and say that it is wrong. Switch on the logic center of your brains people.I don’t believe Kinetic made some sort of linguistic deduction to ignore the possibility of Black Ajah.
Unless I'm right, in which case suggesting it will prevent the stupid lynching of town power roles.To suggest that they don’t exist will be detrimental to the town success.
My allegiance is to the town. I am not Aes Sedai of any form.Furthermore you pushing this issue has me greatly question your allegiance. Are you a Black Ajah Aes Sedai?
How about YOU take a look at the PLAYERS from the Mini. I WAS THERE! I know what happened.LOOK at the Mini. The first part has the same rules ‘Aes Sedai bounded by the three oaths’….Than under the roles of the Aes Sedai there remains the possibility that the other AS was a df/member of the Black Ajah, and Black Ajah ARE NOT BOUND by the three oaths.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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I have determined that Fabian is telling the truth, because I am General George S. Patton, tank commander extraordinaire. I have in my arsenal 500 Sherman tanks, which I can unleash at any time, killing anyone I tell them to, with no limit as to the number of kills. And since all of them occur simultaneously, I can kill everyone but me and the town will win. How does that sound?
PFFFTTT!
Awww. Seraphim got one in first.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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SWEET! Fabian just confirmed my point with his WIFOM!
THANKS SCUM!
@Benmage: Fabian pretty much just confirmed that he was scum, and given that he DID NOT KNOW when the Power was channeled, he has no Aes Sedai partners to tell him when it was channeled. One Truth Prevails!Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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@Benmage: Because I was scum, and therefore knew the WHOLE TIME that there were no Black Ajah in the game. Also, nice job ignoring the rest of my post, as well as my comment on the last page.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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@Benmage:
Read it. Fabian, who is a claimed scum, had to guess as to whether the Power was channeled or not. He got it WRONG. Therefore, he had no source of information on the subject. In other words, he did not know because he did not have a Black Ajah Aes Sedai partner to stop him from being stupid.I don’t understand how this is a point….soo sorry I missed it…
I told you not to insult me. AD HOM HAS NO PLACE HERE!Than stop sucking…
@Mod: Please replace, or at the very least warn, Benmage. There is no reason that, after seeing what happened to Albert when he used ad hom, he should be able to get away with it.
I am going to ignore you until you either die or get replaced. I do not tolerate people who must resort to ad hom. I gave you no reason to be rude, and even told you to back off. You didn't listen. Therefore, you are what people call an asshat. Stop trying to ruin other people's enjoyment and back the fuck off already.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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@Benmage:
It is ad hominem argumentation, and therefore rude.Your the one taking it so personal...since when is an opinion of a player sucking at this game offensive??
Sorry not everyone starts out good..its pretty much a learned thing.
That actually made me laugh. Compare our join dates my friend. I joined almost 5 months before you.
What it stands for is not an accurate definition of what it means. OMGUS refers to a knee-jerk reaction elicited by a vote, and the title of the act is signifigant in that it can be assumed that the reasoning for the OMGUS vote would be, simply, "Oh my god, you suck."What do you think omgus stands for?
This is not an accurate comparison.
See what happens when you discount the points I make because you think I'm stupid?In my opinion your style was bad...however i did miss a very nice point, as follow:
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Do what you think is best. I'm not overly concerned, especially since I still say that Fabian proved my point.As for the Black Ajah crusade: assuming a threat is much easier to deal with than not assuming one and being blindsided by it. You want to assume that EVERY Aes Sedai that comes out is town, fine.
Thing is, after all this, if we see one Black Ajah flip I'm gunning for your lynch. Thats it. No remorse, no questions.
@all: I donotlike the looks of Slicey right now. As soon as he is challenged, he backpedals immensely. Either he or Mufasa will likely be my top suspect for D2.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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Hmm. Four pages in one night is somewhat annoying, but oh well.
I think that the Isacc-wagon has some merit, but the case against him is circumstantial at best. I do not intend to pursue it.
@Benmage: I thought you said that if Fabian flipped scum (which he did), you were going to agree with my point on Black Ajah Aes Sedai. What changed your mind? Also, claim your location already. More than half the town have already claimed locations. You cannot attempt to argue that there is no majority opinion promoting location claims. The fact that you are fighting claiming makes me think that you slept at the Stables. Furthermore, the fact that you are trying to hide said sleeping position make me think that you are scum, and therefore have reason to resist the claim.Fos: Benmage
@all: We need more pressure on Slicey-scum. Preferably just the right amount of pressure to see him swing.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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Flay-votes are for what exactly? I'm not seeing any reason that Flay is more important than Slicey. In fact, Slicey needs more votes. You guys should be voting Slicey, as, you know, he's scum and needs to die.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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Weeeak. I see nothing overly concerning about Mr. Flay, and I have been after Slicey since I declared intent during Twilight. Hence, my attack is consistant, and I was merely commenting on the recent development as not as important as lynching Slicey, who has acted a good deal scummier than Mr. Flay.Moratorium wrote:Wow.. Slicey huh...
So you've got Flay on one side talking about Jesters and "It's no lie to say"'s that seem pretty much like lies and whatnot... generating a good bit of attention.
...vs. Slicey, who.. what, is barely here and says he's read to page 10 so far?
That's... such a strange comparison. And seems like you are trying to present a distraction.
FoS: Kairyuu
Want to see Flay's responses to Yos before joining any wagons at this point.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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@SpyreX:
Wheeee! I have found a suspect. I am now trying to get him lynched. This is what I do. Unless he can prove to me that I shouldn't be voting him, I will continue to push for his lynch.I'm also disconcerted by Kairuu's obsession with Slicey.
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Is there something wrong with that? See my response to SpyreX.This is everything I found, the entirety of your "attack" on Slicey, one mention of backpedaling and a bunch of appeals to join you, which is akin to you standing off to the side of the gallows, jumping up and down, waving your arms frantically and shouting "HEY GUYS LOOK OVER HEEEERE"...
I have attacked 3 people. Shadow Knight for some vague thing on like page 4, which I dropped in my next post, Fabian, who flipped scum, and now Slicey. One person at a time, and only ONE of those was someone claiming V/LA. Take a look at what I'm attacking him for also. As soon as he encounters any sort of resistance to his suspicion, he plays it off as being a minor thing he just wanted to point out, and backs off completely. This is scummy as hell.But hey, at least your "attack is consistant", nothing to see here right... you keep taking shots at the V/LA's, good sir.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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@Mr. Flay:
He has contributed almost nothing. Until he posts more content for me to analyze, this is all I can do.Until this last post, though, you haven't really made much of a case on him. I don't like Slicey's behavior any more than you do, but just saying "row row row lynch!" isn't pushing for a lynch in any more than the most rudimentary way.
My playstyle tends to fluctuate. I get like this when I either have few other leads I see as valid, or I haven't really gotten immersed in a game yet to the point where I'm confident in my reads. This is a combination of both. I'm hoping to be able to latch onto a few solid reads soon, as currently I'm only confident that Albert and SpyreX are town, and that Slicey is scum.I'm not sure it's really scummy of you because it may just be your style (a poor man's Xylithxm/IS), but it's not terribly helpful.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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You've claimed Aes Sedai. I believe the claim. I was the one who proposed the theory that there are no Black Ajah Aes Sedai, so the fact that I believe you to be Aes Sedai automatically means I believe you to be town.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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@Albert:Kairyuu wrote:Alright. This has been bothering me for a bit, so I had to come mention it.
The speculation about Black Ajah is stupid, and contradicts the mod's own words.
Note the bold.Kinetic, in rules post wrote:There may or may not be Aes Sedai in this game.If they are, they will be bound to these oaths.AllAes Sedai must follow the Three Oaths according to the mod's own words. This means that Black Ajah Aes Sedai either do not exist, or are bound by the oaths. Given that Kinetic is a good mod, and knows how to balance a setup, he would not put roles into a game that must claim scum if asked.
The logical conclusion is that there are none of the Black Ajah in the game. All Aes Sedai should be assumed town in my opinion.
That's all I came here for. Tomorrow is my last day fo school, so soon I will be able to read the thread and get caught up.xxFabianxx wrote:Town Wisdom was a solid claim though.
Having to take 50/50 chance guess on whether or not someone had used Saidar was the problem.
Kill all Aes Sedai, they suck.
Thank you and GOODNIGHT!
That pretty much sums up my thoughts, and the proof offered by Fabian is in bold.Kairyuu wrote:@Benmage:
Read it. Fabian, who is a claimed scum, had to guess as to whether the Power was channeled or not. He got it WRONG. Therefore, he had no source of information on the subject. In other words, he did not know because he did not have a Black Ajah Aes Sedai partner to stop him from being stupid.I don’t understand how this is a point….soo sorry I missed it…
Also, I'm pretty sure the Black Ajah were first mentioned in the second book. May have been the third. I don't remember exactly.
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@Faraday: What do you have to say to the fact that Fabian, who is now confirmed scum, did not know whether or not the Power was channeled, and had to guess at it?
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@Albert: Then why did you ask for my reasoning?Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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@Albert: Except that the mention of the Aes Sedai is part of the General Knowlege section, not one of the rules. Why would Kinetic give us faulty information in his explanation of the theme?
Also, the Fabian bit is the closest thing to hard evidence in my theory, so I see that as quite an important factor.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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@MBL: Oh yeah, I'm really scared of a Fos without any backing.
@Albert: Can you please explain to be how it is poor reasoning when we have proof that one of the scum did not know something that all Aes Sedai know? The proof being that he got it wrong.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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The fact that he wasAlbert B. Rampage wrote:Anything a confirmed scum says is to be discarded immediately.wrongis pretty damn convincing evidence that it shouldn't be discarded.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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@Albert:
Playing it safe is boring for me. You know this very well.The difference is that I'm playing safe, and you are willing to consider any AS as confirmed town. This is a huge problem.
I don't see it as a problem. If you guys don't want to agree with me, then fine, don't. That won't change my opinion, and if I'm right at the end of the game, I get to rub it in all of your faces.
@Faraday: Fair enough. There are, of course, other explanations to everything. I still think I'm right though.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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@Sajin: Read the thread. Albert is a claimed Aes Sedai, who also claims to have a partner. Also, in the Mini the two Aes Sedai were Neighbors.
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Heh. Heheheheheheheheh! Brilliant! Someone who wants to argue semantics! It's been SOOO long since I've found someone willing to do that. This should be FUN!Again, your phrasing rings of scum to me.
Explain to me, in detail, why keeping my vote on until my top suspect proves that I shouldn't be voting him (aka. until he defends himself sufficiently) is scummy.Earlier, you sat your vote on a lurker, to remain until he proves unworthy of it,
I never said that. I said I find it boring to play it safe, and that was specifically addressed to Albert in reference to a Newbie game we ICed together in which I dug up an old gambit used only once before and applied it to the game, which helped me nail the scum D1 and D2 respectively. Your twisting of my words is noted.and you won't bother looking into other players because it's "boring".
This is totally coming out of left field. Because I said your expression of suspicion, which wasn't backed at all by reasoning, did not worry me, I must be scum? That is complete and total bullshit, and you know it. If I were scum doing what you say I am doing, then why would I bring up that it doesn't worry me. Why wouldn't I just focus on the things that actually DID "threaten my safety."And now you tell me you're not scared of my FOS. If you were town, why would you be scared regardless? Your word choice shows me your mindset--you're scanning this thread looking for posts that threaten your safety, not looking for people's reasoning to help you ascertain their alignment.
Also, how the hell am I supposed to look at your reasoning to ascertain your alignment, if your post contained NOTHING BUT AN FoS? What reasoning do you expect me to analyze, the reason why you picked bolded font over bold italics? This feels a bit like you are just looking for an excuse to suspect me.
Also, if Slicey flips scum, I am definitely going after you for chainsaw defense.
Whooo. Let's bring in more ad hom then. Do NOT make personal attacks. I already addressed this with Benmage. I do not want to have to deal with it again with you. Back the fuck off with this right now.Perhaps you're just not a very good player.
@Benmage:
Bullshit. After I pointed out the issue with Fabian, you told me that if he flipped scum, you would be much more inclined to agree with me. This is called a LIE.Ahh yeah missed this. Well than Yeah I go back to definitely believing the possible existence of black ajah. I never really found Kairyuu’s logic sound to begin with.
Also, interesting to note that now that other people are disagreeing with me, you are quick to flip-flop on the issue. This is scummy.
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This comment fails to adress the issue I presented at all. You are merely spewing the flavor and the fact that the PMs in the mini made them Neighbors instead of Masons. My point is that Albert's bringing up rule number 2 does not apply here, because of the fact that the section I am drawing my conclusions from is not frim the RULES but from the KNOWLEDGE section. Therefore, Rule 2 does not apply to it.Its not faulty information Black Ajah are technically AS, but they exist beyond the bounds (oaths) that the normal AS have. Back to the fact that Kinetic gave this same information, but in the mini made it open-ended (in the AS role descriptions of their partners) makes your logic flawed.
I did not say he was Aes Sedai. I said he was scum, and if he has Aes Sedai partners, he would have had access to the information that the Aes Sedai possess.He wasn’t AS he was Forsaken.
This is exactly the opposite of what you were saying during Twilight of D1 when I brought up the point about Fabian. Explain you switch.My only point is it seems illogical to throw out the possibility of black AS.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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One of Tarhalindur's Standard Tells. It's when one scum gets attacked, and one of his buddies attacks the attacker in an attempt to shift the focus of the town off of the first scum. It's a pretty damn effective tactic if it isn't noticed, but at the same time it's quite a good indicator of scum if someone catches it.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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@MBL:
I'm trying, but it's not working. It's kinda difficult to take control of a game when there aren't enough followers to sway.Kairyuu. Tsk, tsk. For a control freak, you sure aren't taking much control of this game. Probably because you're scum.
Except that you are twisting my words. By saying I haven't gotten immersed in the game yet, I mean that I don't find myself getting many strong reads yet, which is exactly what I said. Your "interpretation" is a complete misrepresentation of what I said.You haven't gotten immersed in the game yet. aka you're bored and not trying to find scum. I don't think I'm twisting your words at all.
Is this scummy? If yes, how so? If no, why are you stating the obvious?1. Speculate about the existence of Black Ajah
I have berated no one for not agreeing with me. The people that I berated, I did so because they were ignoring my points (Benmage). Everone else I have tried to convince.2. Berate and suspect other people for not agreeing with you about Black Ajah
Also, I did not suspect anyone for not agreeing with me. You have no way of backing up either of these accusations because I have not done what you accuse me of.
Really? Prove it. I have tried to be as polite as possible. I want to see quotes of where I have used ad hom. You need to back up your points, because these baseless accusations are completely false.3. Complain about ad-hom while ad-homming left and right
Two problems with this:4. Vote all D2 for a player who's posted two sentences of relevant content in two weeks
1. Day 2 has been going on for what, all of 3 or 4 days? The "all of D2" part of that has no merit.
2. So what if he has posted barely anything relevant? The stuff he did post was scummy, and I'm voting him until he either gets lynched, or clears up my suspicions (or someone else does something scummier than he has).
I will give you more detailed reads of other players once I have them, which is what I have been saying. If you don't like that, then try to get me lynched.How about instead of trying to control everyone by bullying and swearing, you step up and actually give us opinions on some more players, with detailed reasoning.
Also, if my swearing bothers you, I will stop. I do not do it to offend, only to emphasize my points.
And how much "evidence" do you have on me? These few little snippets of baseless accusations? None of the things you are accusing me of I actually did, and the one thing I did do that you mentioned you can't prove is scummy because it isn't.There's no safer vote than on a lurker that's only posted two sentences of relevant content in two weeks. Sure, Slicey could be scum, but there's very little evidence of that right now.
This is WHAT I DO. Seriously. Meta me, and you will see the exact same attitude/word choice in practically all of my games.You actually call him "scummy as hell", and say you're "confident he's scum" which is bizarre considering how little he's posted.
Or maybe Slicey is my top suspect and that is why I am focusing on him.So your lack of proportionality on the topic of Slicey plus your refusal to touch other players in the meantime is an indication to me that you don't really want to find scum all that badly.
Which game are you talking about? I've only been scum twice, and in the first one I avoided bussing at all costs, and in the second I only bussed Empking because there was literally no way to avoid his lynch. If you are referring to blackcatcontract, that is called distancing, not bussing.Or perhaps that you're scum busing your weak partner. (I just read your play as scum in another game. You're quick to bus weak partners, aren't you?)
I think that he has been acting strongly pro-town and actively scumhunting. The role claim lends confidence to my read, but it is a much more minor thing.Do you think SpyreX's play has been pro-town, or are you basing your confident read on him entirely on your knowledge of the channeler role from the WoT mini?
@JVW:
Arguing semantics is a fun pastime for me. When I was new, word-choice based scumtells were my favorite kind. The opportunity to brush off the old arguments was too good to pass up. Generally speaking I avoid that kind of argumentation nowadays though.You know, Kai is bugging me in this game. He wants to argue semantics, which I think is completely useless, and he was pushing for a Slicey lynch based on almost nothing.
Also, how am I pushing for a Slicey lynch based on almost nothing? I have a strong scumtell on him, and he has yet to respond to it, even though he has given the indication that he knows what has been going on recently because he knew that we were claiming locations.
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Can't say that I have.lol, y'all have fancy names for this stuff these days. Back in my day, we called it "misdirection", but y'all have prolly never heard of that...
Also, I totally forgot you were in this game when I was addressing MBL. I was planning to tell you this at some point. I dug up your old doc gambit from the Pie E7 that you and Adel were ICing and applied it to the F11 setup in Newbie 750. It worked brilliantly. Caught scum D1 and D2 in an all vanilla setup.
@Kison:
I was suspicious of Mufasa for a gut suspicion I got from his hammer of Fabian. It was more minor than my suspicion of Slicey, so I decided not to pursue it. I may come back to it later, but more likely than not I won't unless he does something that I feel is a stronger scumtell.Why have you only focused on Slicey, and not Mufasa, who you seemed to be fairly suspicious of, since these two posts that I am quoting right here?
Not really. I'm just less confident on my read of him than I am on my read of Slicey.Have his more recent posts assuaged your suspicion of him? If so, then please explain how.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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@Benmage: You have not made a case against me. The beginning of your post plays both sides of the issue you are trying to address, and then you voted me because you don't like my attitude, and are trying to play it off that because I am agressive (not a scumtell) rude (not true, and not a scumtell even if you want to argue that it is) and demanding (not a scumtell) I must be scum. You also say that my semantic plan is unhelpful (not a scumtell). I am also apparently unbending (not a scumtell).
This is textbook OMGUS, and now that you think you have some decent support on your side you think you can get away with attacking me.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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Oooh. Shiny Kairyuu wagon you got there guys. Can I join in?
Meh. The logic against me is crap, and I'd really rather not have to claim to get rid of the votes, since I may be able to hand you a scum on a silver platter D2 depending on how the Night goes, but since it seems many of you are incapable of listening to reason, and I'm pretty sure I'm at some high number of votes, I may as well continue the trend of early claims.
I am Nipon Machaid, and I'm a butler. Weird title for my role, but whatever. I am a motivator. Each Day I target someone and that person may use two actions instead of one. Day 1 I targetted Isacc, as he looked rather pro-town until Twilight. The multiple kills with the same flavor made me think that he might be responsible, but the fact that there were 3 instead of the 2 that I would expect gives me pause. I was planning (and am going to be sending the PM as soon as I finish this post) to motivate Albert for Day 2, as I maintain he is confimed town as long as his Aes Sedai claim is true, which I believe.
@Isacc: Can you confirm my motivation of you for D1?Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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@Albert: I motivated Isacc right as I went V/LA Albert, so that if the Day ended before I got back I wouldn't lose it, and I didn't see any reason to switch it until after it was already too late to do so. Isacc seemed solidly pro-town right up until shortly before Fabian's flip.
You will get motivated today though Albert, since I am far less certain of Isacc's towniness now than I was when I made the decision.
@Yos: As I said, the fact that there were 3 kills with the same flavor instead of 2 gives me pause as to whether or not my motivation caused that. I intended to keep out of any issues regarding Isacc until after I was more sure (by motivating someone else) and seeing if one of the kills went away. If I had been able to make it to D3 without claiming and that had happened, I would have been all over him. I wanted to wait to see how it played out first in case I would be outing myself for nothing.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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Wait. Damnit. I forgot. KoC did his whole global roleblock thing for today, didn't he?
I wonder if that'll work since he died before the beginning of the Day though.
Meh. If my motivation goes through, it will be on you Albert. I have already submitted the action.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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Meh. I don't care what you think of me Albert. If you can't look logically at the situation then I won't attempt to force you to. I have told the truth 100%, and my role is easily confirmable.
Here's what I propose:
We lynch someone who is not me. Albert get's motivated. Since he has claimed Aes Sedai, he CANNOT lie as to whether or not it occured. This confirms that I am not lying.
Sound good?
Of course, the other option is that you lynch me and I flip town motivator. That would get me away from this craplogic too, so either way I'm happy.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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@Albert: Who? Me or Isacc?
Also, you claimed Aes Sedai, and you don't think that the scum would put you rather high on their list of people to block? Think logically for a second here please.
Also, if you blocked me, then why did you do it? What reasoning did you have to roleblock me.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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OR YOU WERE ROLEBLOCKED! PLEASE DO NOT FORGET ABOUT THIS POSSIBILITY AS A CLAIMED POWER ROLE!
Also, provide reasoning on both of us, because now I just think you're bullshitting us.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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Hmm. Just got home from school, so I just caught up on the new stuff.
I refuse to defend myself or my choice of targets. I wanted to motivate Isacc because I was of the opinion that he was town. You do not have to agree with someone to think they are town. I think that the arguments against both myself and Isacc are foolish to the extreme, but whatever. This town is incapable of seeing reason, so I'm not even going to try reasoning with you. I have motivated Albert, and that is that. If you kill me, then the fact that this is a Deep South setup means that as long as KoC's ability doesn't resolve it will go through barring roleblocks or whatever.
@Albert: I don't honestly care about your opinion any more. You are being completely insensible right now, and it's annoying me. You are wrong. It is as simple as that. That is the last thing I will say on the matter.
@all: Faraday = town and Benmage, Slicey, Mufasa = scum. That is all.
I will no longer respond to any of these crap accusations against me. If you have a direct question for me, I will address it, but otherwise no. If the line of conversation continues to be solely focused around myself and Isacc, I will simply ignore it and continue to actually scumhunt.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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Wait what? You guys are trying to get us modkilled as alts/cheaters? What the hell? How does that make any sense whatsoever? Isacc and I are friends from RL (as is common knowledge since I've posted it several times around the site). I recruited him because he was obsessed with WoT and was interested in Mafia, so the WoT mini was a good place to start. He liked it, so he stayed. We do not cheat in any way, and we are DEFINITELY not the same person.
I don't like these accusations at all.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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I don't care about Isacc. I was referring to myself, and myself alone. Isacc is a toss-up to me, and I wanted to see role confirmation before I pursued him. At the moment, I do not really care what role/alignment he is. I'm much more concerned with the fact that people are accusing me of cheating simply because of whatever reason people are using.
I have too much respect for this site and the people here to cheat like that. I have done almost nothing but hang around here since I joined last summer, and I would never risk all of that just to get a slight advantage in a game.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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Well that means my hunch was right about the NKs, but it also means that there is likely a seond Gholam-SK that we need to look out for.
Flay would be my first hunch since he was the only one to bring up the word Gholam in the thread (I've never heard of the things).
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@Seraphim: Thank you. At least one person believes me.
@SpyreX: Apparently there's two people. Good show.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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I voted for a claimed SK Albert. Is that a problem? I am not one who is overly concerned with waiting around for people. I have even advocated quicklynches several times in the past, I believe exclusively as town (though I'm not 100% sure on that).
Waiting is boring. Lynching admitted scum is fun.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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@MBL: I disagreed with him, but disagreement =/= suspicion. I motivated him because I thought he was town.
Also, Seraphim is not one of the people I recruited. The list of those people is (in order I think):
Nightwolf
Inquisitor Vulcan Skorn
Isacc
blackcatcontract
magnus_orion
madeofphail
BloodybAndana
fallen angel
Most of them have flaked out by now, but Isacc, magnus, phail, and fallen angel are still around.
I have said my piece on this issue, so I won't rant at you, but I don't want you implicating other people just because they disagree with your irrationality.
You all are boring by the way.
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@MBL: Go to hell. I'm not dealing with you any more. You're a total asshole, and these accusations are really fucking bothering me. I am not cheating, and I cannot believe that people would think so little of me that they would not believe me when I say it.
@Mod: Please replace me. I will be happy to answer any questions you have about the accusations everyone has leveled against myself and Isacc via PM. I apologize sincerely for requesting replacement, and offer to replace into any game(s) you need some for, playing or modding, regardless of length.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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Mmk. If you are actually serious MBL, then I will retract my replacement request. If there is one thing I cannot deal with it is when people attack my play ethics. Anything else I can deal with just fine, but that actually gets to me.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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@Mod: I would like to rescind that request for replacement. I'll still answer any questions you have though, obviously. I am not a cheater, and would rather not be thought of as one.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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I doubt that. I'm not scum, and you will receive a motivation as long as actions are working this phase. That will hopefully be enough to prove that I'm not lying.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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@Yos:
I'm gonna have to consign this to the fact that I was V/LA for about 25 pages (thereby giving me a less than adequate read of the progression of the game). Combining that with the fact that my read showed him playing to his town meta (what little of it I know) made me think he was perfectly fine as a motivate target. Of course, the "I felt like it" reasoning comes into it too. I needed less convincing that he was pro-town to want to motivate him, simply because of the fact that I am a bit overly inclined to trust people who I know. So yeah, it is partially my fault for motivating him when he was a sub-optimal target, but I'm not going to apologize for it, because I have every right to target my choice of people.I don't know. Why did you motivate Isaac last night, after he spent the entire day trying to prevent us from lynching one of the Forsaken?
@MBL: I don't know. It doesn't say so anywhere in my role.
@Benmage: Woohoo. I targetted him because I thought he was town. Big deal. Also, targetting him because I thought he was town is not atrocious play. Not even close. Sure, this is definitely not my best game, but I would not call my playatrocious.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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@MBL: I will not say that I am a bad player. I am not. Not even close. I just made a dumb move for my power on a single action phase in a single game I have been in. Woohoo.
@Mr. Flay: It takes time to write up a post. I unvoted after writing the post that came with it, which required a bit of research. I didn't preview before I hit submit, so I wasn't the first or second like I was expecting to be. Check the timestamps if you don't believe me.
@Albert: Why are you still pushing this tunneled crusade against me?
@all: I believe that Albert is lying scum at the moment, and I have proof:
Since Albert has merely claimed a roleblock (which I believe failed for whatever reason, be it Isacc's One Power immunity or a cross-block from somewhere) he does not have role confirmation of anything involving alignment, and therefore cannot claim with 100% certainty like that that EITHER of us is scum, let alone both of us.Albert, In his isolation post 120 wrote:Now I KNOW that they are scum.
You have been caught in a lie Albert. After we lynch Isacc you are next.
@all(important): Given this new evidence I have found on Albert, I am going to swap my motivation. The new target is Faraday, my only other strong town read.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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Except that you do not KNOW it 100% certain, and you are well aware of that. Especially since Isacc has been validating my claim repeatedly. I think that you're just trying to ride the wave from the Isacc-lynch to try to speedlynch me before you lose momentum.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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