Here's a question for everyone - how many lynches do you think would be ideal in the next action block, if any?
DHSDSM alpha: Game Over.
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I love this post... Did you really not read that he had been killed? I tend to agree with you speed lynching lurkers is fail, but I do agree with a few others who said this game needs to move quick. I have yet to speak with my partner since this game started yesterday, but for now I am going to unvote...Frog Dodging wrote:Lurker speed lynching is fail.
So far I see a lot of stupid and very little scummy.
Let's go through this in turn.Incamnito wrote:I'd like him to be staring at a few votes when/if he finally shows up.
I'd like him to be an exaple to everyone else who can't be bothered.
And you said it yourself.. time is not on our side. You convinced me.
What benefit, exactly, do you get from us having votes when we turn up?
What makes you think we can't be bothered, rather than any number of other things that could have come up - personal issues etc?
Time may not be on our side, but that doesn't mean we rush. It just means we pack in the information density - in this game, we have to pack it in time rather than space, but the principal is the same.
Sex w/ shafteds wife club, why is it a shame that incam was being townie?
UNVOTE: Trotsky
I don't see anything scummy he has done per say, so unless my partner has something he wants to add I would prefer to look at someone else. Those are my thoughts after an intial read and without talking with my partner. I will talk to him and one of us will be back with a more substantial post later.-
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So I am really confussed about something in the rules. I thought all our power roles had to have selections in before Apr 27 (I'm sorry I could be completely wrong)....
If I am wrong and Incamito was killed by scum with five votes on him, why? Why would scum waiste that kill on someone who was wagoned so hard? Did he write something that really scared the scum team?
That's a pretty in depth, articulate post, but nothing to crucify anyone with at this point, imo....Incamnito wrote:Now that I re-read the possible roles, You are totally right.
Tracker is only good if someone dies....
Doc.RB is good if we are lucky....
and who wants to follow the cop?
So lets get serious:
A) If you have a case, lets see it. Otherwise get off me!
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1. Zaphod Beeblebrox - Dont ask yourself questions if you aren't signing your posts! It is confusing. But At least you have opinions on things. Prob-town.
2. Apples and Banana - Die lurker die.
3. Zmd - Lets start playing now! KMD can't blame the time difference, can he?
4. Trotsky - I like your questioning Yos, I dislike you calling someone else asking the SAME THING "Fluffy".
5. Death the Hogfather - Die lurker die.
6. Incamnito - obvtown.
7. Yosariwen - Even with just a few posts, you look town to me.. and not JUST me. Strange.
8. Ortohoops - Die lurker die! And people DO TOO care!
9. sex w/ shafteds wife club - Probtown... but maybe I just like them trying to speed things up.
10. PoketheAlpaca - Die Lurking scum. And PF hasn't saidanything!
11. Pesco-Light - I'm still waiting for you to re-ask your 'questions'. as ifneed to be prod-voted.>I<
12. Raging Wishbone - so many lurkers, so little time...
13. J-Scope - at least you have posted here and there.
14. Frog Dodging - are you here?
That said.. I propose lurker-speed-lynching now.
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Hoopla that was a tremendous post and it carries much merit, although I disagree with lynching ANY townie, imo.. We got 7 carrying over from War In Heaven (Me, you, ROFL, Tajo, Seraphim, Nuwen, and DGB)... can I PLEASE make a suggestion, we botched that game and should have won except for a few reason that were discussed during the post game "show"... It was destroyed by a difference of opinions on strategy; IE, some were playing survivor, some mafia. Some wanted to go fast, some wanted to go slow, some wanted to vote, some wanted to play cowboy...but in my opinion, the worst mistake we made as a town was trying to Speed lynch lurkers so early in the game... (thx Xyl). DONT lynch TOWNIES!Ortohoops wrote:Frog Dodging wrote:Lurker speed lynching is fail.No, this isn't that stupid. This game has been going for ~46 hours. Players should have no excuse for lurking, this is why hydras have been brought in. Scum get to kill every 84 hours, this is a HUGE incentive to lurk, or at least stall the game.
Here's something for you to consider; in Flay's recent WIH theme game, scum were rewarded rage points weekly. There was a clear advantage for scum to delay lynches and generate rage points which could contribute to a town kill. Here is a small list of activity from this game;
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Posts per day while alive;
populartajo:37.4 PPD
Xylthixlm:35.9 PPD
roflcopter:24.6 PPD
Albert B. Rampage:20.56 PPD
DrippingGoofball:20.04 PPD
Kinetic:15.22 PPD
WaltWishbone:14.25 PPD
The Fonz:12.05 PPD
Seraphim:10.92 PPD
Tenchi:10.84 PPD
zwetschenwasser:8.09 PPD
q21:7.6 PPD
Hoopla:7.00 PPD
Drench/FireStarter:6.2 PPD
Nuwen:6.14 PPD
Juls:5.88 PPD
Guiseppe/Yosarian2:5.58 PPD
Shinnen_no_me:4.25 PPD
vIQleS:3.58 PPD
Cybele/WeyounsLastClone:3.45 PPD
Red = Scum.
With the exception of DGB, scum were in the lower portion of this list. And I have no doubt this game will generate a similar spread.
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In this game, the advantage is even more severe - a kill every 84 hours! You can bet scum will be trying to stall this game. Here's my thinking;
Kill 1 and kill 2 are the times where we have the least information in the game, where the kill is closest to random. This means the percentage between thinking X is more scummy than Y is at it's potential lowest - and we're better off lynching X or Y based on percentages that can be made up in more beneficial areas. One of these areas is activity, and potential helpfulness later in the game. The second quality I've described is not really quantifiable, but ties in well with activity this game. We can't afford to leave a mid and endgame with a high percentage of players inclined to lurk. We either need to up activity signifigantly, or take a chance on lynching lurkers.
Here is an early list of posts per hydra. Remember this game has been going on for more than 46 hours.
sex w/ shafteds wife club12
Zaphod Beeblebrox9
Pesco-Light7
Ortohoops6
Trotsky6
Yosariwen6
J-Scope5
Frog Dodging3
Raging Wishbone3
Apples and Banana2
Death the Hogfather2
PoketheAlpaca2
Zmd2
I would bet that there is at least two scum in the red zone and possibly the orange, which is where I'm going to cast a vote for now. More importantly though, the town needs to promote a more proactive approach toward activity and discouraging lurking. We need to lynch at least every 84 hours - and if some players can't commit enough time within that period to help orchestrate decent percentage plays, then they need to be eliminated before it screws us over.
tl;dr? Our best percentage play is lynching lurkers now on the basis of early lynches being closest to random. The percentage we may lose is lynching a possibly less scummy player is more than made up in keeping the most active players alive now. This boosts the average activity per player, and means the consensus for a lynch is more thoroughly discussed, which is good.
tl;dr 2: lynch lurkers please.
Vote: ZMD, I know you two are both active.
Also just remember me and you were two of the first three gone, lol, so yeah thx for bringing that up!
Sorry I still don't get it, there was not 50% of the votes places on Incangnitoan? Alright so Nuwen made a huge MISTAKE? As far as my meta and previous experiences playing with her, she seems to think she is incapable of mistakes? I'm not sure I am buying this?Yosarian2 wrote:
From the rules:Raging Wishbone wrote:So I am really confussed about something in the rules. I thought all our power roles had to have selections in before Apr 27 (I'm sorry I could be completely wrong)....
If I am wrong and Incamito was killed by scum with five votes on him, why? Why would scum waiste that kill on someone who was wagoned so hard? Did he write something that really scared the scum team?
So the kill might have been submitted 6 hours before the kill, or it might have been submitted as early as 30 hours before the kill. If it's the second, then that would have been before Incam was at 5 votes.6. A lynch will occur when more than 50% of the players have their votes placed upon the same player, or have their votes placed upon Nolynch. After the 50%+1 threshold is reached, the lynch will occur regardless of any subsequent posting. Kills will be posted in thread between 6 and 30 hours after I receive them by PM. I will attempt to randomize the delay as much as possible to prevent date/time type confirmation of kill source.
Nuwen spotted a possible breadcrumb by Incamn, and mentioned it in thread; it sounds like she did so because she was trying to figure out his alignment and if the breadcrumb should be trusted or not. It was a mistake, especally since the breadcrumb was truthfull, but not a scumtell, since there is no reason she would want to mention it in thread as scum.@Yosariwen and anyone else who cares to chime in... Did Nuwen out Incamnito as a Tracker?
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Yeah and absolutely agreed... I am actually kind wonderinf asw well as his partner why Seraphim has not posted yet since he has been here for like three hours since I have been reading this thread and replying.... Maybe he does not know the game started yet?Hoopla wrote:Raging Wishbone wrote: Hoopla that was a tremendous post and it carries much merit,although I disagree with lynching ANY townie, imo.. We got 7 carrying over from War In Heaven (Me, you, ROFL, Tajo, Seraphim, Nuwen, and DGB)... can I PLEASE make a suggestion, we botched that game and should have won except for a few reason that were discussed during the post game "show"... It was destroyed by a difference of opinions on strategy; IE, some were playing survivor, some mafia. Some wanted to go fast, some wanted to go slow, some wanted to vote, some wanted to play cowboy...but in my opinion, the worst mistake we made as a town was trying to Speed lynch lurkers so early in the game... (thx Xyl). DONT lynch TOWNIES!I don't want to lynch townies. Lurker =/= townie
The main point I'm trying to get across is activity should be taken into account when selecting an early lynch, especially in a game like this. For example, you have two candidates you see at relatively even chances of being scum. The first is very active, the second isn't. Activity tilts your choice in favour of the lurker.
What if the same two candidates you saw at say 35% and 30% instead? I'd still lynch the lurker on the basis the active player is giving more information about their alignment and others, helping making future lynches more accurate. A 5% difference isn't taking that much of a gamble. What about 10% or 15%? What is the biggest margin you can sacrifice? My suggestion is that it's larger than normal.
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EBWOP: Yeah and absolutely agreed... I am actually kind wonderin as well as his partner...why Seraphim has not posted yet since he has been here for like three hours since I have been reading this thread and replying.... Maybe he does not know the game started yet?
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So you actually are not sure why/how incamn was lynched or you can not clarify the rule for me? It's no big deal if you cant explain, just tell me and I can ask Adel or wait for my partner to wake up and ask him...Yosariwen wrote:Raging wishbone: I quoted that because the second half of rule 6 talks about the rules for kills, not because of the part about lynching.
And yeah, since Incamn was actually a tracker, I think it was a mistake for Nuwen to mention in thread her thoughts about the possible breadcrumb; if Incamn had been scum instead, it wouldn't have been a mistake.
As for your last few sentances; I have no idea if she thinks she's "incapable of making mistakes", and I'm not sure what that has to do with my comments on her play.
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As far as the second half, my comment was a direct reflection on our last game WIH and based on Hooplas very in depth and articulate post, as well as doing a meta on Nuwen..... I didn't write I was gonna vote for either of you yet! I just wrote, I am not buying it? (Do you need more clarification Yosey?).. please let me know if you do.
Ortohoops wrote:Frog Dodging wrote:Lurker speed lynching is fail.No, this isn't that stupid. This game has been going for ~46 hours. Players should have no excuse for lurking, this is why hydras have been brought in. Scum get to kill every 84 hours, this is a HUGE incentive to lurk, or at least stall the game.
Here's something for you to consider; in Flay's recent WIH theme game, scum were rewarded rage points weekly. There was a clear advantage for scum to delay lynches and generate rage points which could contribute to a town kill. Here is a small list of activity from this game;
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populartajo:37.4 PPD
Xylthixlm:35.9 PPD
roflcopter:24.6 PPD
Albert B. Rampage:20.56 PPD
DrippingGoofball:20.04 PPD
Kinetic:15.22 PPD
WaltWishbone:14.25 PPD
The Fonz:12.05 PPD
Seraphim:10.92 PPD
Tenchi:10.84 PPD
zwetschenwasser:8.09 PPD
q21:7.6 PPD
Hoopla:7.00 PPD
Drench/FireStarter:6.2 PPD
Nuwen:6.14 PPD
Juls:5.88 PPD
Guiseppe/Yosarian2:5.58 PPD
Shinnen_no_me:4.25 PPD
vIQleS:3.58 PPD
Cybele/WeyounsLastClone:3.45 PPD
Red = Scum.
With the exception of DGB, scum were in the lower portion of this list. And I have no doubt this game will generate a similar spread.
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In this game, the advantage is even more severe - a kill every 84 hours! You can bet scum will be trying to stall this game. Here's my thinking;
Kill 1 and kill 2 are the times where we have the least information in the game, where the kill is closest to random. This means the percentage between thinking X is more scummy than Y is at it's potential lowest - and we're better off lynching X or Y based on percentages that can be made up in more beneficial areas. One of these areas is activity, and potential helpfulness later in the game. The second quality I've described is not really quantifiable, but ties in well with activity this game. We can't afford to leave a mid and endgame with a high percentage of players inclined to lurk. We either need to up activity signifigantly, or take a chance on lynching lurkers.
Here is an early list of posts per hydra. Remember this game has been going on for more than 46 hours.
sex w/ shafteds wife club12
Zaphod Beeblebrox9
Pesco-Light7
Ortohoops6
Trotsky6
Yosariwen6
J-Scope5
Frog Dodging3
Raging Wishbone3
Apples and Banana2
Death the Hogfather2
PoketheAlpaca2
Zmd2
I would bet that there is at least two scum in the red zone and possibly the orange, which is where I'm going to cast a vote for now. More importantly though, the town needs to promote a more proactive approach toward activity and discouraging lurking. We need to lynch at least every 84 hours - and if some players can't commit enough time within that period to help orchestrate decent percentage plays, then they need to be eliminated before it screws us over.
tl;dr? Our best percentage play is lynching lurkers now on the basis of early lynches being closest to random. The percentage we may lose is lynching a possibly less scummy player is more than made up in keeping the most active players alive now. This boosts the average activity per player, and means the consensus for a lynch is more thoroughly discussed, which is good.
tl;dr 2: lynch lurkers please.
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Are you kidding me sweety? I aint voting for PL, because you disguise a fart as some sort of diatribe that is suppossed to be an articulate argument! Lynch scum DUMBASS, not Townies!Frog Dodging wrote:
I see I'm mostly proving right about Pesco Light being the weakest of the hydras this game. How blasé.Pesco Light wrote:I'm taking that as over-reacting to an obv-prod vote. It can stay.
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I work Friday-Monday and unlike you have a life. Sorry!Incamnito wrote:I'd like him to be staring at a few votes when/if he finally shows up.
I'd like him to be an exaple to everyone else who can't be bothered.
And you said it yourself.. time is not on our side. You convinced me.
Let's see... Scopey adores bandwagons, Pesco Light is made up of gibbering idiots as well as Ortohoops, Death is made of people who over-logic things, and Zmd is made up of dumbass who needs to pay attention and Zazie. That explains all 5 votes fairly well.Incamnito wrote:Hey, we were talking, my partner and I, and we decided we wouldn't be surprised if there were scum on our wagon. It does have just a little too much steam.
So, for future reference:
Incamnito (5) --> J-Scope, Death the Hogfather, Ortohoops, Zmd, Pesco Light
Incamnito suddenly dying is interesting, more interesting is the fact that sex, PL, Ortohoops, A&B, and even the other me completely ignored analysis of this post in favour of discussing Incamnito's death.
Good question. Next!J-Scope wrote:@Frog Dodging: Are you being sarcastic in any of your posts?
Define "enough". "Enough", for instance, could be attempting to assassinate the president, or it could just be looking at him funny.J-Scope wrote:We have to rely on lynches to find scum instead of power roles we can’t dictate or confirm even exist yet, and I think we should probably follow the same standards as deciding whether to lynch or no lynch on a day/night game. If someone looks scummy enough, let’s lynch them.
I am really suspicious of Yosariwen at this point, and I'm surprised that more people aren't.
Let's take the already somewhat random early lynches and make them more random by adding (what is in the early stages an) arbitrary criterion? How is this exactly a "good plan"?Ortohoops wrote:tl;dr? Our best percentage play is lynching lurkers now on the basis of early lynches being closest to random. The percentage we may lose is lynching a possibly less scummy player is more than made up in keeping the most active players alive now. This boosts the average activity per player, and means the consensus for a lynch is more thoroughly discussed, which is good.
Pay attention, dumbass.Raging Wishbone wrote:Sorry I still don't get it, there was not 50% of the votes places on Incangnitoan?
PL totally overreacts to tajo's suspicion of it. That's so adorably hilarious and worse than what Yosariwen has done.
My suspicions lie firmly in the Pesco Light camp, although I have no clue what other I thinks at the moment. I would not be opposed to a Yosariwen stringing-up at this point, but I think that can wait for now.
Vote: Pesco Light
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[quote="Zmd"]Joke votes Trotsky. Doesn't matter yet.
Asks question about how many lynches.Seems obvious that we lynch when we have a candidate instead of setting numbers.
Disagrees with lynching lurkers. Null, but stance noted.
The unvote sounds more like unvoting a serious vote than a joke vote. Over-explanation maybe.
Action deadline comment. Possible subtle fishing (aka trying to get a PR who submitted an action to answer in a way that may give them away subtly)
Slight buddying to Hoopla.
Decent point on Nuwen's "mistake".
Calls out Sera not posting then gives an excuse for him. (Which hydra is Sera a part of?)
Restates stance regarding lurker lynches.
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Do you read much or is it me? I still dont get it Yosey said at 50% we auto lynch someone. We were not at 50%, he had five votes on him... so I just don't get it? I mean your statement that I bolded... is that a rule of the game or your opinion? Right on, the rest of it, meh, fair enough.-
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Zmd wrote:Joke votes Trotsky. Doesn't matter yet.
Asks question about how many lynches.Seems obvious that we lynch when we have a candidate instead of setting numbers.
Disagrees with lynching lurkers. Null, but stance noted.
The unvote sounds more like unvoting a serious vote than a joke vote. Over-explanation maybe.
Action deadline comment. Possible subtle fishing (aka trying to get a PR who submitted an action to answer in a way that may give them away subtly)
Slight buddying to Hoopla.
Decent point on Nuwen's "mistake".
Calls out Sera not posting then gives an excuse for him. (Which hydra is Sera a part of?)
Restates stance regarding lurker lynches.
Do you read much or is it me? I still dont get it Yosey said at 50% we auto lynch someone. We were not at 50%, he had five votes on him... so I just don't get it? I mean your statement that I bolded... is that a rule of the game or your opinion? Right on, the rest of it, meh, fair enough.-
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my main point of asking you that queston was because I am kinda torn on this you are the most OBVTown or OBVSCum player imo at this point. Did you really nor read he had been lynched? Because you asked him questions as if he was still alive in the game and if you were scum, then you would not be asking these questions because you would have known he was dead. I don't have any type of read on FrogDodge... as far as I am concerened the two most important points of this game so far are...PoketheAlpaca wrote:sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:
Yes why in god's name would I want people to stop bandwagoning an obv townie in a speed game? Shame on me!Frog Dodging wrote:
Aye, but surely it's better that he looked town than that he looked scummy.sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:Frog Dodging wrote:Sex w/ shafteds wife club, why is it a shame that incam was being townie?Because now he's a dead tracker.
Also, perhaps it would have been better if people hadn't been spending their whole time shouting "OMG he's soooo town"
What are you on your period? You syncing up again?[/had to say it]. Generally false sympathy is a classic scumtell especially when its over a dead town power role.sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:There were five on the wagon. Suck one.
Also, what is your point? That we didn't like a wagon on a person who is now revealed town?
Raging Wishbone wrote:@Yosariwen and anyone else who cares to chime in... Did Nuwen out Incamnito as a Tracker?
If that's what you thought then why didn't jump on yosariwen with a vote. This game is suppose to go quickly right?sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:
p muchYosariwen wrote:
Are you that dense?J-Scope wrote:I don't get it. What does Portishead have to do with Zmd? It is an inside joke? I want answers!
Incamn's crumbing is neutral for now, as there are multiple data roles than can be of either alignment and would benefit from early crumbs. Currently a null tell.
Did you think Frog dodge was putting up a front here? His questions seemed genuine to me since he hadn't posted at all before that.Raging Wishbone wrote:
I love this post... Did you really not read that he had been killed? I tend to agree with you speed lynching lurkers is fail, but I do agree with a few others who said this game needs to move quick.Frog Dodging wrote:Lurker speed lynching is fail.
So far I see a lot of stupid and very little scummy.
Let's go through this in turn.Incamnito wrote:I'd like him to be staring at a few votes when/if he finally shows up.
I'd like him to be an exaple to everyone else who can't be bothered.
And you said it yourself.. time is not on our side. You convinced me.
What benefit, exactly, do you get from us having votes when we turn up?
What makes you think we can't be bothered, rather than any number of other things that could have come up - personal issues etc?
Time may not be on our side, but that doesn't mean we rush. It just means we pack in the information density - in this game, we have to pack it in time rather than space, but the principal is the same.
Sex w/ shafteds wife club, why is it a shame that incam was being townie?
Something feels a little wierd about J-Scopes post 89.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 18#1644818
Feels more like he is speculating then deciding on things forthemself. Call it a gut suspicion.
General comment: Its best to lynch whoever is scummy. Lynching a scummy lurker is fine but lynching a v/la lurker would not be good. I'm going to hunt scum primarily.
Edit while previwing: I, PokerFace, read/write posts slowly. Tajo reading/posting here at same time is mega lawls!
For those not keeping score Tajo was 107, 109, 110, 112
I was 106 and this post.
I didn't know 2 people could be logged into mafiascum on the same account at the same time until this game. Its funny. i'm going to stop posting for the night to avoid triple posting and or getting ourselves mod killed by the 15 post rule if its in both games.
1.) You not knowing Incamnito was dead
2.) Yoso/Nuwen post
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Right back at ya sweets...you'll have this game broken in no time with your clever insight.... Keep up the good work genius.Frog Dodging wrote:
Riveting analysis.Raging Wishbone wrote:
Are you kidding me sweety? I aint voting for PL, because you disguise a fart as some sort of diatribe that is suppossed to be an articulate argument! Lynch scum DUMBASS, not Townies!Frog Dodging wrote:
I see I'm mostly proving right about Pesco Light being the weakest of the hydras this game. How blasé.Pesco Light wrote:I'm taking that as over-reacting to an obv-prod vote. It can stay.
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I work Friday-Monday and unlike you have a life. Sorry!Incamnito wrote:I'd like him to be staring at a few votes when/if he finally shows up.
I'd like him to be an exaple to everyone else who can't be bothered.
And you said it yourself.. time is not on our side. You convinced me.
Let's see... Scopey adores bandwagons, Pesco Light is made up of gibbering idiots as well as Ortohoops, Death is made of people who over-logic things, and Zmd is made up of dumbass who needs to pay attention and Zazie. That explains all 5 votes fairly well.Incamnito wrote:Hey, we were talking, my partner and I, and we decided we wouldn't be surprised if there were scum on our wagon. It does have just a little too much steam.
So, for future reference:
Incamnito (5) --> J-Scope, Death the Hogfather, Ortohoops, Zmd, Pesco Light
Incamnito suddenly dying is interesting, more interesting is the fact that sex, PL, Ortohoops, A&B, and even the other me completely ignored analysis of this post in favour of discussing Incamnito's death.
Good question. Next!J-Scope wrote:@Frog Dodging: Are you being sarcastic in any of your posts?
Define "enough". "Enough", for instance, could be attempting to assassinate the president, or it could just be looking at him funny.J-Scope wrote:We have to rely on lynches to find scum instead of power roles we can’t dictate or confirm even exist yet, and I think we should probably follow the same standards as deciding whether to lynch or no lynch on a day/night game. If someone looks scummy enough, let’s lynch them.
I am really suspicious of Yosariwen at this point, and I'm surprised that more people aren't.
Let's take the already somewhat random early lynches and make them more random by adding (what is in the early stages an) arbitrary criterion? How is this exactly a "good plan"?Ortohoops wrote:tl;dr? Our best percentage play is lynching lurkers now on the basis of early lynches being closest to random. The percentage we may lose is lynching a possibly less scummy player is more than made up in keeping the most active players alive now. This boosts the average activity per player, and means the consensus for a lynch is more thoroughly discussed, which is good.
Pay attention, dumbass.Raging Wishbone wrote:Sorry I still don't get it, there was not 50% of the votes places on Incangnitoan?
PL totally overreacts to tajo's suspicion of it. That's so adorably hilarious and worse than what Yosariwen has done.
My suspicions lie firmly in the Pesco Light camp, although I have no clue what other I thinks at the moment. I would not be opposed to a Yosariwen stringing-up at this point, but I think that can wait for now.
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No, of course not, let me try to preface the base of everything I worte and why I wrote it again. Hoopla brought up a very good comparison imo (War in Heaven)..., my comments were a direct response to what she wrote because she has knowledge of that game. Seven of us here played in that game (me, her, Rofl, Tajo, Nuwen, DGB, and Seraphim). I do not think Hoopla meant she wanted to lynch Townies, I was trying to make a point that this is what happened during the course of that game with the lynch all lurkers, arguments over play strategy, ect.... and if it seems odd to you, than please read War In Heaven. That is why I am taking this stand and feel strongly about it.J-Scope wrote:Raging Wishbone wrote:Hoopla that was a tremendous post and it carries much merit, although I disagree with lynching ANY townie, imo..
But do you believe that Hoopla knows lynching lurkers means lynching townies? Do you feel that lynching lurkers will mean lynching townies? It’s odd that you would take a stand that typically does not need to be said, that town don’t want to lynch town.Raging Wishbone wrote:to elaborate a bit: I am sure if you are Town you do not want Townies lynched and I will look at lurkers with a a critical eye but my bottom line is I disagree with lynching lurkers.-
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Win.Raging Wishbone wrote:Vote Trotsky. Communist scum!
Apologies for not posting since then (this is RR speaking), life got way hectic. I hope to be able to maintain the necassary pace for this game in the future, though unfortunately I can't promise anything.
Now, the main point I feel the need to really stress out here is. Seriously. With a new scumkill every 84 hours (that isn't in any way balanced out by the town PRs, especially given the possible SK), we should be hurrying this up substantially. 84 hours without a lynch is the equivalent of voting no lynch in a regular game day. This is the one game where it's more important to be quick and decisive than to think things through from every possible angle. This phase ends in two hours so it's too late, but during the next one I think at least two lynches are in order to make up for it.less talking, more lynching
What you need to remember is that lynching doesn't end the day here. It therefore costs the town much less. What does "end the day" is doing nothing. So less talking, more bloodshed people!
Hoopla's long post is right on target, though I'm pretty sure at least one scum will implement this and go way active. So we shouldn't just lynch people based on number of posts, but rather based on whether or not they prove helpful in bringing this game forward. Scum has a huge incentive to stall this game, which could be achived by starting longass arguments, for example, even better than by lurking.
Thus far I see Frod Dodging being useless, arguing against Orthoops' plan (meaning supporting slowing down the game, meanig bad) and then after being called out on it immediately upping the aggressive with a vote on Yosariwen, who thus far feels strongly town. That's definitely good enough for avote: frog dodging.-
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That's a good question, but I get nothing but town vibes from the Hoopla team... and this game quite frankly is going much better because it seems the one thing MOST of us agree on is that we need to move quick...J-Scope wrote:
But do you think that strategy is less reliable in this game? Do you find it odd that from her experience in that other game she should realize this too?Raging Wishbone wrote:Seven of us here played in that game (me, her, Rofl, Tajo, Nuwen, DGB, and Seraphim). I do not think Hoopla meant she wanted to lynch Townies, I was trying to make a point that this is what happened during the course of that game with the lynch all lurkers
Paraphrasing the rest of the posts today; I think the sexed v yo/nuw argument sound like two townies... although Frog Dodge made an excellent point elaborating on a few other posts that it did seem like Yoso lied and completely contradicted Nuwens post about them not talking...
My partner wants his vote on Froggy right now, so I'm leaving it there, but we talked earlier and he said he would be able to post soonish... so if he wants to take Yoso to L1... I trust my honey Bunnies judgement.
I ain't got many good scum reads right now, I have town reads...
Jscope
Hoops
PokeaTaj
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yousonew
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...and probably frogdoger may be townies. In fact without my partner around I would unvote frogdodge if he was in danger of being lynched... Yoso I am just not so sure about, I also dont like that she is posting elsewhere as someone else pointed out but not here?
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Tajo is being Tajo, imo... I dont Poker at all, but I cn tell the difference between each of there post. He is so methodical, calculated...he turns it on when he needs to and always provides a threw and threw analysis. He does not try to get just anyone hung, its like (no pun intnded) he is playing poker, he keeps his cards close to the table so no one can see. I have never played with him as scum, but as town...he is exactly the same.sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:What has PokeaTaj done to make you label them town?-
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oh and by the by, dont get me wrong; he aint obv town, I will lynch him quicker then you all can type wifom, if he gets scummy, lol.Raging Wishbone wrote:
Tajo is being Tajo, imo... I dont Poker at all, but I cn tell the difference between each of there post. He is so methodical, calculated...he turns it on when he needs to and always provides a threw and threw analysis. He does not try to get just anyone hung, its like (no pun intnded) he is playing poker, he keeps his cards close to the table so no one can see. I have never played with him as scum, but as town...he is exactly the same.sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:What has PokeaTaj done to make you label them town?-
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Sex with shafteds wife said this....SensFan wrote:
I didn't try to get anyone modkilled, and xofelf hasn't been online.Raging Wishbone wrote:Oh and lastly Apples and Bannas trying to get someone modkilled does not sit well with me at all.
SexEd: where did you get your information?sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:
That would be A&BYosariwen wrote:
So, which one of you is scum trying to get me modkilled here? Fess up.Saunt Adelaus wrote:
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And you dont understand this why?sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:
so why did you put him in the town category? Futhermore why is J-Scope there?Raging Wishbone wrote:
oh and by the by, dont get me wrong; he aint obv town, I will lynch him quicker then you all can type wifom, if he gets scummy, lol.Raging Wishbone wrote:
Tajo is being Tajo, imo... I dont Poker at all, but I cn tell the difference between each of there post. He is so methodical, calculated...he turns it on when he needs to and always provides a threw and threw analysis. He does not try to get just anyone hung, its like (no pun intnded) he is playing poker, he keeps his cards close to the table so no one can see. I have never played with him as scum, but as town...he is exactly the same.sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:What has PokeaTaj done to make you label them town?
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Saunt Adelaus wrote:
someone asked if this was an illegal post. It isn't. See rule 17.Yosariwen wrote:mercuriala (6:23:50 PM): shafted can take my double work shift and midterm and shove it.RULE#!7: 17. I support free speech. Quote anything you like (except for ongoing games!) whenever you like. All forms of cryptography that do not require software (or more than 1 hour for me to work with just pen and paper) for encryption or decryption are acceptable as well. Do not PM or otherwise contact players outside the thread with game related information unless you are explicitly permitted.
So this was an encryoted post? or is SexEd trying to get Apples and Bannans lynched?... I don't get this at all?
Based on Adels post we can discuss this and open a can of worms.... who is mercuriala? Why blame this on Apples and Bannana...gah, so many queston, so little time, lol.Raging Wishbone wrote:
Sex with shafteds wife said this....SensFan wrote:
I didn't try to get anyone modkilled, and xofelf hasn't been online.Raging Wishbone wrote:Oh and lastly Apples and Bannas trying to get someone modkilled does not sit well with me at all.
SexEd: where did you get your information?sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:
That would be A&BYosariwen wrote:
So, which one of you is scum trying to get me modkilled here? Fess up.Saunt Adelaus wrote:
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right on, why did sexed blame you?SensFan wrote:mercuriala is Nuwen's AIM account.
That was Yos showing her reason for not explaining yet, even though she was on AIM.
Adel said someone asked if it was illegal.
Yos asked who was trying to get them modkilled.
SexEd blamed me.
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You are kidding right? I was here, I've been here all night... Apples and Bannas was not when SEXED stated that they tried to get you modkilled? SexEd need to answer for that!Yosariwen wrote:(keep messing up the alts thing)
On a side note, the fact that whoever attempted to have me modkilled is refusing to admit it is making me more and more convinced that that person is scum. Now, there weren't that many people around and posting at the time; it's possible that someone just stopped by the thread, tried to get me modkilled, and left without posting, though.-
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Thats a falt out lie, I have not left here!sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:
because they were the only other player onlineRaging Wishbone wrote:
Attempt not to answer my question noted!sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:attempt to prevent the town from lynching further into day 2 noted
Why did you write Apple and Bannanas tried to get YoSo modkilled?
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I have been here all night, why did you NOT write Raging Wishbone tried to get them modkilled...why choose Applea and Banna...and why is yoso defending you all?Raging Wishbone wrote:
Thats a falt out lie, I have not left here!sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:
because they were the only other player onlineRaging Wishbone wrote:
Attempt not to answer my question noted!sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:attempt to prevent the town from lynching further into day 2 noted
Why did you write Apple and Bannanas tried to get YoSo modkilled?
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Nah, its comfy up there sweety and smells nice.sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:
God you suck at this game. I thought I was bad, but jesus. Why in the hell would scum super bus their remaining partner on D2? Get your head out of your ass.Raging Idiot wrote:Is the rest of the scum team Yoso/nuwen and sexed?
Trying to change the conversation and the context of what I wrote, much?
Is this really your response/position? You tried to blame Apples and Banana for trying to get yoso modkilled and flat out lied that he was the only person online at the time, when I have been here for the past three hours! So you are pretty scummy in my opinion right now, emough for a vote...
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Damn Dude, your insights are just astonishing... Although, psst... I got a secret for you, I have not left here tonight wanna know who all stopped by in addition to Hoopla (well there was DGB, poker, tajo, nuwen, you, me, sensfan, hog, as well as a few others who i cant remember everyones name yet). Gosh, lol.... I aint trying to get Yos killed in fact I refuse to vote for them and urge everyone to still consider them very carefully before voting for them; you are my prefered lynch and playing with you is fun, lolsex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:
Time stamp on your first post as of late is 6:33 local for me, on the Mods is 5:56. Try again.Raging Wishbone wrote:
Thats a falt out lie, I have not left here!sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:
because they were the only other player onlineRaging Wishbone wrote:
Attempt not to answer my question noted!sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:attempt to prevent the town from lynching further into day 2 noted
Why did you write Apple and Bannanas tried to get YoSo modkilled?
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Though Hoops did seem to be posting at the time and I missed it.
LIEEESSS I TELLY OUUURR!
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OK I am gonna, reword my previous posts because I think I got distracted and was not as articulate as I would have liked to be... Let me ask a question,, who tried to get YoSo mod killed?
Did you Apples and Banana? If not who did fess up...
Why did SexwithEd claim it was Apples and Bananas? They claim it was because they were the only person online... That is a flat out lie! I was here and saw tons of people on line (in fact I was wondering if they were lurking scum)..
Regarding YoSo, I would not vote to lynch them, (other than their possible lie and trying to find an excuse for sexEd, I still think they sound like townies trying to stay in the game).... then again my partner is much wiser and expereinced than I am so if he votes them tomorrow or next chance he has to vote I will support his choice!
with only two votes, I am kinda liking the sexwithEd wagon....
Raging Wishbone wrote:Saunt Adelaus wrote:
someone asked if this was an illegal post. It isn't. See rule 17.Yosariwen wrote:mercuriala (6:23:50 PM): shafted can take my double work shift and midterm and shove it.RULE#!7: 17. I support free speech. Quote anything you like (except for ongoing games!) whenever you like. All forms of cryptography that do not require software (or more than 1 hour for me to work with just pen and paper) for encryption or decryption are acceptable as well. Do not PM or otherwise contact players outside the thread with game related information unless you are explicitly permitted.
So this was an encryoted post? or is SexEd trying to get Apples and Bannans lynched?... I don't get this at all?
Based on Adels post we can discuss this and open a can of worms.... who is mercuriala? Why blame this on Apples and Bannana...gah, so many queston, so little time, lol.Raging Wishbone wrote:
Sex with shafteds wife said this....SensFan wrote:
I didn't try to get anyone modkilled, and xofelf hasn't been online.Raging Wishbone wrote:Oh and lastly Apples and Bannas trying to get someone modkilled does not sit well with me at all.
SexEd: where did you get your information?sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:
That would be A&BYosariwen wrote:
So, which one of you is scum trying to get me modkilled here? Fess up.Saunt Adelaus wrote:
someone asked if this was an illegal post. It isn't. See rule 17.Yosariwen wrote:mercuriala (6:23:50 PM): shafted can take my double work shift and midterm and shove it.
This is the exchange for anyone who missed it... It was really interesting, imo.SensFan wrote:
I didn't try to get anyone modkilled, and xofelf hasn't been online.Raging Wishbone wrote:Oh and lastly Apples and Bannas trying to get someone modkilled does not sit well with me at all.-
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...and right n this is a good response, although I do disagree with two things. I think it is critical to find out who tried to get Yoso mod killed, if someone did..... however in the end if Yoso does get lynched and flips scum THEN it is a mute conversation. At this point in the game, I am not gonna wwitch my vote, but I wont be around tomorrow or the weekend either I think... so I will leave it to my partner to make a final choice.sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:The question of who ratted on Yos is a dead end. It looks like my other head guessed A&B because they were online. But for all we know, Yos asked Adel himself, and then pretended to wonder who was trying to get him modkilled. And I think Yos even looking for a rat is ridiculous because if it was illegal, Adel would notice anyway and modkill you. Nobody can "get you modkilled." You have to do something modkillable, and then it would be your fault, not anyone else's even if they point it out to the mod.
Most importantly:
NOBODY NEEDS TO GET YOU MODKILLED SINCE WE ARE LYNCHING YOU.
Yos is pretending there is some conspiracy to modkill him, even though, um there's clearly no need to do that. This "who is trying to get Yos modkilled OMG!!1!1!1" thing is a non issue. Yos is just trying to distract from his lynch.-
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SO you are saying you made a HUGE fucking mistake blaming Apples and banana for trying to have yoso modkilled?sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:Look, A&B posted at 5:44, and Adel posted the explanation about rule 17 at 5:56. Only other person posting around then was Yosariwen. So it is not unthinkable for anyone to assume A&B notified the mod.
But it could have been any fucking person in the game, who wasn't even posting at the time.
We will never know the truth unless someone fesses up.
And whoever did notify the mod, I would never call that "TRYING TO GET YOS MODKILLED!!!11!" Because nobody can "get a person modkilled." If you do something illegal, it's your fault.
This is a complete waste of time, and derailment of Yos's wagon.
This would NOT have been a mistake I would have made since we were both online at the same time and you had to have seen me hoopla, tajo, and eeryone else that was here...why single out A & B... or again did you just make a mistake?
Are you kidding me with this manipulative pile off bullshit about someone deserves to be modkilled if they violate the rules...meh, fine YOU are RIGHT, but you did not notify the mod you tried to blame Apple and Banana! In otehrwords, everything you wrote does not explain how bad your post was about A & B!-
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sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:Look, A&B posted at 5:44, and Adel posted the explanation about rule 17 at 5:56. Only other person posting around then was Yosariwen. So it is not unthinkable for anyone to assume A&B notified the mod.raging wishbone wrote: I have not left here tonight wanna know who all stopped by in addition to Hoopla (well there was DGB, poker, tajo, nuwen, you, me, sensfan, hog, as well as a few others who i cant remember everyones name yet).-
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lol right on fair enough.... but can I ask you again don't you think it was a huge mistake to make that assumption about Apples and Banana's?sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:
I have no idea who was online at the time someone asked Adel a question. All I know is who posted around then. It was A&B.Raging Wishbone wrote:sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:Look, A&B posted at 5:44, and Adel posted the explanation about rule 17 at 5:56. Only other person posting around then was Yosariwen. So it is not unthinkable for anyone to assume A&B notified the mod.raging wishbone wrote: I have not left here tonight wanna know who all stopped by in addition to Hoopla (well there was DGB, poker, tajo, nuwen, you, me, sensfan, hog, as well as a few others who i cant remember everyones name yet).
And let me take a completely different approach than I have tonight so far regarding this matter. Did you see that I wrote a snarky post to him about trying to get yoso modkilled? How many other people who don't read enough (like myself tonight) may have started a wagon on him because either you or your partner blamed him for that and then worst of all tried to defend yourself instead of saying WE are wrong, especially when it is based on a lie (I know everyone who has visited this thread tonight) You all know that he was not the only one around when you or your partner blamed A & B....
Also whoever posted Nuwens aim account was wrong to do so (if I ever want my private im accounts published, I will post them!)...although in this case after playing "war in heaven" with her when she was scum, ti s good thing... her response seemed genuine, I really think she is gonna flip town.
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This post really bugs me.sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:
I agree, my gut is just giving me second thought.Ortohoops wrote:Sexy shaft, you need to stop feeling sorry, killing scum should make you happy, they're both very competent players. Their actions were bizarre enough for players of their standards - they've had multiple pressing cases against them in areas not even crumb-outing related. It's not like they're being killed off solely for one mistake.
The town needs to finish off this wagon and kickstart a new one soon.
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lol, it's actually hoops post that bugs me...reminds me of going to the dentist office and having a nurse tell me sure take the shot of novacine, it wont hurty sweetty..... Then OUCH, lolsex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:
I know! shaft.ed shouldn't doubt himself like this. He should be as bitchy as me.Raging Wishbone wrote:
This post really bugs me.sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:
I agree, my gut is just giving me second thought.Ortohoops wrote:Sexy shaft, you need to stop feeling sorry, killing scum should make you happy, they're both very competent players. Their actions were bizarre enough for players of their standards - they've had multiple pressing cases against them in areas not even crumb-outing related. It's not like they're being killed off solely for one mistake.
The town needs to finish off this wagon and kickstart a new one soon.
Anyway Yoswen, if you're town please scumhunt in your remaining hours.
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Can anyone help me out with this post please? Was this the first time the name "mercuriala" was posted in this thread?Saunt Adelaus wrote:
someone asked if this was an illegal post. It isn't. See rule 17.Yosariwen wrote:mercuriala (6:23:50 PM): shafted can take my double work shift and midterm and shove it.
I am really thinking yoso is a bad lynch... Whoever wants to hammer, please read the last four pages (tonights posts) carefully... and give it just a tad of time. My partner said he would probably be around tomorrow afternoon and I know RR will cut through those pages like butter melts on warm bread...
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Gah I suck at reading... I missed zaphs vote post on sex ed? I also thought I read zmd voted for hoopla, and I thought Death the hog changed votes?Saunt Adelaus wrote:Votecount as of post 278:
Yosariwen:5:Frog Dodging, sex w/ shafteds wife club, Ortohoops, Pesco Light, Apples and Banana,
sex w/ shafteds wife club:3:PoketheAlpaca, Zaphod Beeblebrox, Raging Wishbone
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Read much? Because she blamed Apple and Banana for it. It bothered me, and I am leaving my vote where it is.Nuwen wrote:
Where did this come from? At Raging Wishbone in particular, why do you believe that Shaftsex's online/offline deduction about the modkill question is more likely to come from scum than town?Raging Wishbone wrote:
Attempt not to answer my question noted!sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:attempt to prevent the town from lynching further into day 2 noted
Why did you write Apple and Bannanas tried to get YoSo modkilled?
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Read much? I have posted the list of players TWICE? Why ask for it when it has been posted?Nuwen wrote:
Could you share that list of online players? I'm interested in anyone who is currently actively lurking.Raging Wishbone wrote:Why did SexwithEd claim it was Apples and Bananas? They claim it was because they were the only person online... That is a flat out lie! I was here and saw tons of people on line (in fact I was wondering if they were lurking scum)..
Oh, right on, so Yos posted it first? and he asked your permission? This is a discussion you both had?Nuwen wrote:
I have my AIM listed in my profile, it's within public knowledge domain. And Yos checked with me.Raging Wishbone wrote: Also whoever posted Nuwens aim account was wrong to do so (if I ever want my private im accounts published, I will post them!)...although in this case after playing "war in heaven" with her when she was scum, ti s good thing... her response seemed genuine, I really think she is gonna flip town.
...See he didn't as far as I can read, someone else did, perhaps a scum buddy? This ties into the lie which originally got you put on the spot. You claimed to have a non existent conversation with Yos regarding crumbtrails. you both contradicted each other... I kinda still think you are a bad lynch but why lie when you don't need to?-
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Town have no reason to lie, scum do! Even little things like this... so she should be lynched why? What the fuck you talking about?Apples and Banana wrote:
What the fuck are you talking about?Raging Wishbone wrote:
Oh, right on, so Yos posted it first? and he asked your permission? This is a discussion you both had?Nuwen wrote:
I have my AIM listed in my profile, it's within public knowledge domain. And Yos checked with me.Raging Wishbone wrote: Also whoever posted Nuwens aim account was wrong to do so (if I ever want my private im accounts published, I will post them!)...although in this case after playing "war in heaven" with her when she was scum, ti s good thing... her response seemed genuine, I really think she is gonna flip town.
...See he didn't as far as I can read, someone else did, perhaps a scum buddy? This ties into the lie which originally got you put on the spot. You claimed to have a non existent conversation with Yos regarding crumbtrails. you both contradicted each other... I kinda still think you are a bad lynch but why lie when you don't need to?
I mean, I still support a Yosariwen lynch, but this is ridiculous.
*Nuwen has had her AIM listed in her profile (and so under every one of her posts) for quite some time
*Nuwen talks to her hydra partner, Yos, over AIM
*Yos (presumably) told her sex w/ shafted was claiming she was active lurking
*Nuwen explained in that snippet that Yos posted
*Yos then (presumably) asked Nuwen if he could just copy-paste that directly into the thread
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Thanks so much for looking at that, I was not reading careful enough but I thought a few things looked odd, lol. I was kinda getting "WISHY-washy" and to be hinest panicing a bit about my vote/unvotes.... I see Death the Hog did not put Yoso/nuwen at l1 (because they did not unvote). Thats my last post, my partner can take it from here....Saunt Adelaus wrote:
thanks for pointing out my error. ZB's vote was on A&B. I fixed the votecount on this page. Note that I am only counting votes cast by the actual hydra accounts.Raging Wishbone wrote:
Gah I suck at reading... I missed zaphs vote post on sex ed? I also thought I read zmd voted for hoopla, and I thought Death the hog changed votes?Saunt Adelaus wrote:Votecount as of post 278:
Yosariwen:5:Frog Dodging, sex w/ shafteds wife club, Ortohoops, Pesco Light, Apples and Banana,
sex w/ shafteds wife club:3:PoketheAlpaca, Zaphod Beeblebrox, Raging Wishbone
Raging Wishbone:1:Zmd
Ortohoops:1:J-Scope,
Zmd:1:Death the Hogfather,
not voting:1:Yosariwen
while 12 are alive, 7 votes will lynchI occasionally make mistakes in votecounts, and I depend upon players pointing them out.Thanks for the help!
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What are you talking about, wishbone?Yosariwen wrote:
Oh, right on, so Yos posted it first? and he asked your permission? This is a discussion you both had?Raging Wishbone wrote: I have my AIM listed in my profile, it's within public knowledge domain. And Yos checked with me.
...See he didn't as far as I can read, someone else did, perhaps a scum buddy? This ties into the lie which originally got you put on the spot. You claimed to have a non existent conversation with Yos regarding crumbtrails. you both contradicted each other... I kinda still think you are a bad lynch but why lie when you don't need to?
No one contradicted anyone, and no one lied about anything. How can you say "we had a non-existing conversation" when she just posted that conversation in thread? And, when Adel's rules specifically say we can quote whatever we want, what's wrong with quoting something from outside the thread?[/quote]
meh one more post... Nice tags, you answered none of my questions and now that I know you are at l1 and we can have some fresh eyes read the exchanges from tonight,,, I feel completely confident putting you at l1 (last time I try to see either on your point of views when you cant answer the simplest of questions)
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meh one more post... Nice tags, you answered none of my questions and now that I know you are at l1 and we can have some fresh eyes read the exchanges from tonight,,, I feel completely confident putting you at l1 (last time I try to see either on your point of views when you cant answer the simplest of questions)Raging Wishbone wrote:
What are you talking about, wishbone?Yosariwen wrote:
Oh, right on, so Yos posted it first? and he asked your permission? This is a discussion you both had?Raging Wishbone wrote: I have my AIM listed in my profile, it's within public knowledge domain. And Yos checked with me.
...See he didn't as far as I can read, someone else did, perhaps a scum buddy? This ties into the lie which originally got you put on the spot. You claimed to have a non existent conversation with Yos regarding crumbtrails. you both contradicted each other... I kinda still think you are a bad lynch but why lie when you don't need to?
No one contradicted anyone, and no one lied about anything. How can you say "we had a non-existing conversation" when she just posted that conversation in thread? And, when Adel's rules specifically say we can quote whatever we want, what's wrong with quoting something from outside the thread?
VOTE YOSO/NUWEN!
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@ Yoso: There was another game a bunch of the same people here played called "Lovers multi ball".... so you put together a nice AIM log,...well four of our scum posted FAKE daytalk in that game ten times more convincing then what you wrote! They were SleepeyPanda/Armix and the other scum was Neko/Sekinj... Their daytalk was a brilliant attempt, but it was really easy to cut through the BS and end that scum game quick.-
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Yosariwen wrote:
I didn't "answer your questions" because you're not making any sense!Raging Wishbone wrote:
meh one more post... Nice tags, you answered none of my questions and now that I know you are at l1 and we can have some fresh eyes read the exchanges from tonight,,, I feel completely confident putting you at l1 (last time I try to see either on your point of views when you cant answer the simplest of questions)Yosariwen wrote:Raging Wishbone wrote: I have my AIM listed in my profile, it's within public knowledge domain. And Yos checked with me.
What are you talking about, wishbone?raging wishbone wrote:
Oh, right on, so Yos posted it first? and he asked your permission? This is a discussion you both had?
...See he didn't as far as I can read, someone else did, perhaps a scum buddy? This ties into the lie which originally got you put on the spot. You claimed to have a non existent conversation with Yos regarding crumbtrails. you both contradicted each other... I kinda still think you are a bad lynch but why lie when you don't need to?
No one contradicted anyone, and no one lied about anything. How can you say "we had a non-existing conversation" when she just posted that conversation in thread? And, when Adel's rules specifically say we can quote whatever we want, what's wrong with quoting something from outside the thread?
VOTE YOSO/NUWEN!
You asked me "why do we need to lie" when we haven't lied about anything, and you refuse to explain what you're talking about! How the hell am I supposed to "answer that question"? You might as well ask me "Why do you still beat your wife?" and then get angry when I "refuse to answer the question".
Here, I'll "answer your questions":
I posted what first?Oh, right on, so Yos posted it first?
Yeah, I asked if she would mind me posting that conversation in the thread where she explained her breadcrumb. Why?and he asked your permission?
Yes.This is a discussion you both had?
...and here you lose me completly. I did ask her. She said ok. What are you talking about, "a scum buddy"? YOu think a scum buddy asked her if I could post part of her conversation in the thrad? That dosn't make any sense at all, especally since I was just talking to her and I was the one who posted it; how on Earth do you bring someone else into the uestion?...See he didn't as far as I can read, someone else did, perhaps a scum buddy?
Anyway, what do you mean "he didn't as far as I can read"? I asked her if she minded me posting that line, she didn't mind, so I posted the line. It wasn't the first AIM with her I posted, either. What is so hard to understand about that?
No one lied about anything. And I have no idea where you're getting this from, since you refused to answer my questions.why lie when you don't need to?
The first person who posted her aim was Adel (our Mod).... I was kinda scared I would get mod killed for pointing it out but now that I know I won't.... It was not you, why did Nuwen answer that question with the implication it was you who first posted it andshe gave you permission to do so... You did not Adel did, so why did she write that... You know Dude, its all about little lies for no reason...
Also, there is the whole breadcrumbing thing which I think either Hoopla, or someone else caught but they pointed out that you indicated you and Nuwen had talked but Nuwen lied and said you didn't... I might be wrong and it may be vice versa.....
Would I hammer you both now? NO! But I have no problem putting you at l1 after spending half my night defending you and I will let the rest of the town be the judge of this and who we lynch.-
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This was actually an extremely long exchange which consisted of four pages and I think lasted over six hours and I became extremely sloppy as the night came to an end. I am comfortable with my vote on Yos, even at putting them at L1 and will answer any questions if they flip Town. After putting more thought into the matter I feel it was a good lynch, I began the day defending them because I was not confident that the bread crumbing was enough for them to be wagoned as hard as they were. I wanted to start a discussion which would generate a dilaog to invloved more players and more opinions. I felt the responses on why yoso was the best lynch by other players who added their thoughts seemed reasonable. I was not impressed by Nuwens long post at the end of the evening, I felt thier were contradictions and errors in logic. The im conversation really hit a nerve and reminded me of how in LB, scum used the posting of daytalk to make themselves seem more Townie. Some of the daytalk from the scum teams were the most convincing. After having gone through that extremely long day/night, I felt good about casting my vote. I do believe that is a lynch and we will find out shortly if it was good or not.sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:
Ah I see your point upon rereading. I think you're earlier mention you highlighted the reluctance to be the hammer but happy to be the L-1 vote which doesn't make much difference.Yosariwen wrote:
Sure they are.sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote: The reasons for your vote on RW isn't incredibly logical if you stop to think about it.
When RW thought I was going to be lynched without his help, he defended me, trying to position himself so he'd look good when I died.
THen, when hogfather unvoted me and it looked like I might survive, he voted me, to make sure that didn't happen. The reasons for his switch were very weak, and made very little sense.
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Nice, well played town! I need to do a reread as well and hopefully RR will have a chance to looke at everything in detail soon.Ortohoops wrote:That kicks ass. With an accurate vig/SK around, I'm kinda thinking bussing your last buddy wouldn't be high on the priority list, or at least not an option until he had a decent chance of going down.
Time for rereading!
I agree with this, and RR made metnion of it early in the game. She was extremely pro-active in the last two games I played with her and seems active elsewhere on MS, so I am not sure why she is not more involved.sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:
I'm guessing that means they have a GF. It'd have to be someone more useful than a Roleblocker.Ortohoops wrote:So, I guess that means Yos didn't use his save on Trotsky for action phase 1. I think normally, before the game, Trotsky would be the sort of player that you'd consider being in the spotlight for a vig/SK kill though, which makes me wonder why, or who Yos would use the save on. Who would be more likely than Trotsky?
I'm thinking J-Scope, though possible PoketheAlpaca.
DGB why have you been strangely quiet?
FOS: DGB/Plum
I think Jscope has seemed very involved and very analytical in all their posts. I don't think they have done anything scummy. I am not sure what to think of Poke/Tajo but I also have not gotten any bad vibes from them. I would love to hear more from Poke/Tajo and, expecially DGB/Plum.
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Find following my response and feelings on the subject. During the course of the discussion that I instigated because I wanted to be sure this was a good wagon, the one thing Yos wrote several times was just wait Nuwen is going to post later tonight to explain herself. When she finally posted, her post was full of contadiction, bad logic and worst of all was her contrived daytalk. You of all people should have been unnerved by that alone DGB, considering we both played in Lovers multiball together.... He fake IM convo reeked of scum posting something to make themselves look town....Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
Like I said in the previous post. I'm pretty beat up and I'm scrunched up in my corner licking my wounds.Raging Wishbone wrote:I agree with this, and RR made metnion of it early in the game. She was extremely pro-active in the last two games I played with her and seems active elsewhere on MS, so I am not sure why she is not more involved.
Anyway. After I gave Yosariwen some headroom to hunt scum, they didn't take the opportunity, but rather dug themselves in the defensive position.
This is what the Yosariwen hydra chose to post:
No natural OMGUS, no outrage at being wagoned unfairly... only a weak case against a single player.Yosariwen wrote:Anyway, my main suspect right now is Raging Wishbone. Early on, they were defending me; then all of a sudden they turned around and joined my wagon, for reasons that make absolutly no sense at all. And it's interesting to note that he was not willing to hammer me, but wanted on to the bandwagon when it wasn't a hammer; which just makes it look like he knows the wagon is going to go bad, and dosn't want to take the blame for it.
Vote:Raging wishbone
Paradoxically, I agree with Yosariwen's analysis, flavored as it is with distancing, because Raging Wishbone acted exactly the way one would expect scum to react to the Day 1 wagon of a valuable buddy. First defending, then joining for reasons that make no sense, but not willing to hammer.
I would wager that Raging Wishbone is Yosariwen's buddy. Opinions?
Also, if you have four top suspects, why are you trying to build a wagon elsewhere? OMGUS much? Don't you think we would be better served scumhunting among your top supspects?Raging Wishbone wrote:
This was actually an extremely long exchange which consisted of four pages and I think lasted over six hours and I became extremely sloppy as the night came to an end. I am comfortable with my vote on Yos, even at putting them at L1 and will answer any questions if they flip Town. After putting more thought into the matter I feel it was a good lynch, I began the day defending them because I was not confident that the bread crumbing was enough for them to be wagoned as hard as they were. I wanted to start a discussion which would generate a dilaog to invloved more players and more opinions. I felt the responses on why yoso was the best lynch by other players who added their thoughts seemed reasonable. I was not impressed by Nuwens long post at the end of the evening, I felt thier were contradictions and errors in logic. The im conversation really hit a nerve and reminded me of how in LB, scum used the posting of daytalk to make themselves seem more Townie. Some of the daytalk from the scum teams were the most convincing. After having gone through that extremely long day/night, I felt good about casting my vote. I do believe that is a lynch and we will find out shortly if it was good or not.sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:
Ah I see your point upon rereading. I think you're earlier mention you highlighted the reluctance to be the hammer but happy to be the L-1 vote which doesn't make much difference.Yosariwen wrote:
Sure they are.sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote: The reasons for your vote on RW isn't incredibly logical if you stop to think about it.
When RW thought I was going to be lynched without his help, he defended me, trying to position himself so he'd look good when I died.
THen, when hogfather unvoted me and it looked like I might survive, he voted me, to make sure that didn't happen. The reasons for his switch were very weak, and made very little sense.
The whole flip there really looks like a scum manuever.
I am very happy voting for plum/DGb. The same thing can be said for them as far attempting to derail the yos wagon. Yos/Nuwen went back to their daytalk thread along with Plum/DGB, they decided the best way to derail the Yos wagon would be to start one on me, hence Plums long post and subsequent vote for me, follwed by Yos vote. It all seems very calculated and rehearsed in my opinion.Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: Looking at the wagon, I'd say that:
Frog Dodging, sex w/ shafteds wife club, Ortohoops,Pesco Light, Raging Wishbone, Zmd
The players in green are almost confirmed town. Those in blue to a lesser extent, it might be last minute desperate distancing/bus'ing.
I'm also nearly certain that there is one scum among the below:
PoketheAlpaca, J-Scope,Death the Hogfather
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I am still doing a re-read, I will post more thoughts soonish if I can. Yeah, I apologize you wrote 3 in red, so do you have any kinda case on Death the hog, Jscope, or Tajo/Poker team? I am not seeing anything odd in their posts so far? I need to read Death again, but for some reason I thought he was on the Yo/Nuw wagon? Anyways, I will finish my reread and I would like to talk to my partner when he comes around to hear his thoughts. If you have a case against someone, please post it.Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:@ RW
I am not trying to start a wagon on you, I asked for other player's opinions for the purpose of discussing.
I don't have "4 top suspects."
What I did is to eliminate players on the wagon that almost certainly town.
Then I think it's likely that one scum is in the red group, and another in the blue group.
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RR here, playing catch-up again.
Looking at the gaps between the bolded post and the one that came before it, both in timstamp and the complete change of subject, makes me think a part of this conversation's been omitted. Cosidering the use of the phrase "town" as in "they" rather than "us" makes this feel even worse. This post makes me wanna forget about not liking the rest of the case against them and vote Yosariwen.Nuwen 283, bolding's mine wrote:8:52:11 PM Mercuriala: guh, this sounds like a ringing endorsement for a power role witch hunt, which -seems- like a sub-optimal way to catch scum. But the numbers!
8:52:34 PM ArtherDent: Heh. I'm glad you have a good justification lined up
8:53:41 PM Mercuriala: I tend to have reasons for everything. I probably should have explained myself prior, whoops.
8:53:54 PM ArtherDent: Eh, 's all right.
8:54:47 PM ArtherDent: One suggestion...you may want to sign that post
8:55:11 PM ArtherDent: I'm sure most of them will figure out it's coming from you and not me, but still, we don't need this getting any more confused then it already is, hah
8:55:20 PM Mercuriala: Indeed.
8:56:07 PM Mercuriala: A skimmer like Jdodge might very well latch onto "two conflicting posts OMGOMGOMG" for three plus pages.
8:56:22 PM ArtherDent: Yeah
8:57:08 PM Mercuriala: I am also changing Yosariwen's phpbb style. Do you have any sepia allergies?
8:57:17 PM ArtherDent: Heh. Not to my knowlege
8:59:43 PM Mercuriala: Deep south tends to reward lynching every claimed player.9:00:00 PM Mercuriala: Just based on the higher 50-50 distribution of open power roles.
9:00:17 PM ArtherDent: Eh; I disagree
9:00:40 PM ArtherDent: Lynching a power role, especally an information role, costs the town so much more then lynching a vanillia does
9:00:59 PM Mercuriala: Yeah, the cost of a mislynch is far higher.
9:01:06 PM Mercuriala: But the chance of it is much lower.
9:01:31 PM ArtherDent: Eh...well, except that if someone is a power role, you can also get infromation from how they use their power role
9:01:42 PM ArtherDent: Not to mention, if they have an info role, you get even more information
9:02:33 PM ArtherDent: Actually, I would tend to lean to the other extreme; in a mafia game like this, the goal of the town is often to get enough information so they can quicklynch everyone who DOSN'T have a confirmable claim or some role-based way of confirming them as town
9:02:46 PM Mercuriala: Consider also the mexican standoff of claims that can happen in a deep south lylo; there are only so many claim/alignment combinations that can explain how actions resolved.
9:03:11 PM Mercuriala: Which is a great place for town to be in.
9:03:24 PM ArtherDent: Very true
9:04:23 PM ArtherDent: Also; let's say you lynch all power roles, town and scum. In that case, you kind of make it into a mountanous game; and town has historically had a very, very bad record in mountanous games
9:05:17 PM Mercuriala: Also true.
Walt's being sorta pedantic here, but the guy totally broke Lover's Multiball with this kind of thinking and I'm wiliing to believe he may be onto something here.
Me and Walt set up a QT to communicate when we're not both online. You should do the same if you're town and haven't yet.Sens wrote:What QT?
Enlighten me, than. Are you always this nice to people you're about to lynch?Shaft.ed wrote:Someone's not doing their meta homework.
Nah, I just fail at English.Shaft.ed wrote:Freudian slip? :beardscratch:
I think if you read between FD's lines you should easily be able to tell that they want the game slowed down to an extent I (and orthoops) find very dangerous.Plum wrote:I don't see that; I see FD arguing against basically policy lurker lynchng. I agree that speedlynching lurkes is a bad idea, but I'm not letting the lurkers of the hook: lurking, especially active lurking/posting without much actual content will be weighted as a BIG scumtell in my books. Nvertheless, I think the first part of your attack on FD here is a misrepresentation, as Ortohoops' plan was not perfect; parts were not even good ideas to implement, and I don't see FD's arguments against it as actually translating into wanting to slow the game down, as you say. FOS Raging Wishbone.
Don't see what's wrong in waitiing for a second opinion from someone you know is town before voting if you're not completely sure.Plum wrote:You're trusting your partner's judgement on two players you think may be town? No strong scum reads? Get some and grow a spine while you're at it, please; if you think someone is scum, don't sit with your vote on him or her.
I don't think I should be answering this for Walt, since I don't know what was going through his mind at the time, but I don't see how changing his mind there proves him to be conformist scum. Don't you think he'd be calling for a hammer if his only wish was to please you guys?Plum wrote:Sudden, unexpected, unexplaianed switch from 'Yosariwen is prob town' to 'I'm putting Yosariwen at L-1 because suddenly I decided I needed to lick everyone's boots'? DIE SCUM DIE.
Unvote; Vote: Raging Wishbone
Ugh, and then you go back on yourself aagin? *is going to be bald at this rate of hair-pulling*
And then you vote again because apparently Nuwen didn't answer certain of your questions except I can't see where any questions you've asked have made any sense? *goes to pull out her sister's hair*
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You missed the part about him having been sorta useless early on, then improving drastically immediatly after hoopla suggested lynching the useless people, despite disagreeing with this.ortolan wrote:Strongly disagree with this.FoS: Ragin'The "arguing against Ortohoops plan" is not necessarily true, is an easy target and you don't go into detail. What specifically do you find pro-town about Yoswen also??? Never mind, you later clarify the second part.
So? Just because the person happened to be scum in that case (and, in hindsight, here) doesn't mean the point doesn't still apply. Bad plays for both scum and town aren't scum tells, and given time I don't feel like spending I could easily dig up at least 4 counter-examples of the opposite happening (townies being lynched for general bad play).Frog Dodging wrote:Similar sort of argument - it's just unnatural scum play - and it turned out to be 100% utterly wrong. Oman was scum who only really got lynched through an unfortunate process of elimination.
The above still stands, but note that I never said this was in any way a scumtell.Frog Dodging wrote:What I have learnt is that one of the cornerstones of scum play is to do something unusual, take a stance that is unpopular, move in ways town do not expect you to go - and then town write you off because, well, "scum would never do that." I realise the analogies are not perfect, but the underlying principle - beware the unexpected - remains the same.
I think Yos fully explained the contradiction thing, in a way that also happened to be the truth - the most likely sequence of events is indeed that Nuwen screwed up and posted the crumbs, then Yos told her off on aim and explained why this type of thinking won't seem protown. Not sure what J-scope post you're talking about. I also don't recall any point being made against Yosariwen that wasn't related to either the crumbing or their reaction to being attacked for it. This is why I thought the case was weak, until the aim conversation started giving me the shivers. Can you point me to the post where you attack them for points not related to crumbing?Frog Dodging wrote:Yos is also, now, not reading the game thoroughly. He claims there was no contradiction - proving that he has not read J-scope's post, where he points out a contradiction. If he were aware of even an alleged contradiction, then he would not act so affronted when it is referenced by Hogfather.
He also claimed there was no non-crumb case against him - when we had already bought up a couple points against them which do not rely at all on the crumb post. Again, his reaction indicates he hasn't even seen this post by us. Which is extremely worrying - it really, really worries me when a player under this much pressure is only skimming the game. I have only my own experience on this (not even my partner's, who I cannot consult at the moment - he'll be back tomorrow) but people who skim the game like that, who aren't really aware of what is actually being said, are so often scum. I know for a fact that when I'm feeling lazy as scum I do this. If you don't actually care about who scum is - seeing as you already know - it becomes almost irrelevant what people are actually saying. You just need to read enough to give the illusion of scumhunting.
That's not all there was to it. See above. Also, for the record, I think your approach to Yos makes you more likely town and don't suspect you that much any longer.Frog Dodging wrote:Raging Rabbit - If you continue to insinuate that I am scum simply because I am disagreeing with you, then there's really no point in arguing. I'm not going to waste time trying to convince a player who is clearly so motivated by his ideology that he can't even consider that town could have a differing opinion than him.
Untrue. Maybe two lynches a "day" would be more rush (though I'd never suggested we'd deteriorate to being as idiotic as your example suggested), but it'll alsoFrog Dodging wrote:Do you see what I mean? The idea of lynching lurkers days 1 and 2 etc make it even worse - it's so easy for scum to just push the attention off their partners when they get in trouble but push any townie wagons - and because we need to lynch quickly, we go after the easy lynches, and because we're lynching quickly and we're rushing, we never have the opportunity to go back and spot these connections after all. Personally, I would prefer one informed lynch a day to two rushed lynches a day.double the amount of town kills. It's clearly worth it.
FD quotes the post I was asking about above in 334.
332 Yos tags an easy vote on us for the Walt changing his mind thing. I still think he probably has a reasonable explanation for this.
I think the only thing it's worrying he didn't comment about is the lack of scumhunting, which was a good point I should've noticed.Yos is also not his usual self. I would expect yos to be slightly more angry at this point in his wagon rather than conciliatory. I would also have expected him to start scumhunting by now rather than questioning people. I would definitely expect him to have called out the lurkers, and I would definitely expect him to be more actively involved in the game rather than just sitting around asking questions. It's no good asking questions if you don't respond to the answers.
Dude. Joke.Zmd wrote:Because scum never vote their buddies in the RVS, right?
I'm not sure the twilight is gonna stop scum from killing in the second action block, but if it will yay town. Other than that you're totally right.sex club wrote:There's been no scum kill today. With the amount of time Yos was at L-1 it would have been a twofer for scum to kill someone and thus force a mis-lynch. On the other hand, if Yos was scum, HAD they killed they would have sacrificed one of their own in order to land a kill during the day. This would have been avoided had a bus'ing partner recused themselves from voting Yos. Addin in the pickle the scum were in due to losing a RB day one, I am guessing that if Yos flips scum his wagon almost has to be pure town. Making his the non-Yos voters the remaining place to look for scum.
In 347 Walt explains himself very well, as I thought he would.
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Why would Yos' buddy add his vote to put Yos at L-1, but specifically go out of his way to mention he isn't willing to hammer? Someone else will hammer instead, he's done his share towards killing his only remaining teammate, and to bus gains less pro town points because of the not willing to hammer bit. Saying that but still voting him doesn't protect Yos one bit. This makes no sense at all.DGB wrote:Paradoxically, I agree with Yosariwen's analysis, flavored as it is with distancing, because Raging Wishbone acted exactly the way one would expect scum to react to the Day 1 wagon of a valuable buddy. First defending, then joining for reasons that make no sense, but not willing to hammer.
I would wager that Raging Wishbone is Yosariwen's buddy. Opinions?
So you're saying you've slowed down your activity drastically sitewide? Can someone here confirm this?
Actually, I'm pretty sure the convo wasn't fake, just rather obvisouly omitted. Why other people analyzing that failed to note the strange gap in timestamp and subject, I've no idea.Walt wrote:Her (Nuwen's) fake IM convo reeked of scum posting something to make themselves look town....
That both isn't what you said before and makes no sense since we know for a fact there's 3 scum.DGB wrote:Then I think it's likely that one scum is in the red group, and another in the blue group.FOS Zaphod.
I distinctly remember Adel saying that the setup in both games will be a 3 person scumgroup + either SK or compulsive vig. Therefore, no second scumgroup. I guess the Armenian thing is just a joke.Frog Dodging wrote:Flavour reveals the dead, specifically, as Armenian Mafia. We know we have two killing groups. What are the odds that there are two scumgroups? I know two scumgroups is always tight in a game this size, but it's a possibility.
Talk about scummy... I don't even feel the need to really explain this.DEATH wrote:Definitely not complaining about that. 2 scum down, one to go (plus possibly an SK). I am sorta disappointed about not getting on to hammer earlier today as I planned to. Meh.
Alright, I like DGB/Plum as town personally. I don't think Trotsky would have made it that easy for us.
@Frog: 0% chance of a second scumgroup according to the first post.
@all: I pretty much agree completely on the Raging Wishbone being scum thing. They need to die ASAP. Sorry I don't have more to add at the moment. I'm working on getting into this game, but its somewhat difficult.
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vote: Raging Wishbone
That's absurd, Zmd's done close to nothing the whole game.Zaphod wrote:Looking at PescoLight, RagingWishbone and Zmd, I'd say that both PescoLight and Zmd were the most convincing scum hunters. But I'm not sure how reliable my scumdar is these days.
Excellent point, though she's crafty enough to be doing this to dodge her own meta. Again, I'd be interested to know if this lack of interest is site-wide.sex club wrote:DGBPlum: HAve you ever read a game with DBGscum and daytalking. It's her favorite. She wouldn't be participating this little IMHO. least likely
No, this doesn't make sense. And no, that doesn't make it a scumtell.Poker wrote:Anyone else besides me think this doesn't make alot of sence. You don't want hammer but you want to vote and or lynch them?
And my scumtell, I meant towntell. Though it's really not both.I wrote:The above still stands, but note that I never said this was in any way a scumtell.
I'm not sure Adel will be ok with this, nor do I think my fucekd up computer is capable of taking screenshots. Otherwise, fine.Sens wrote:3) Mind posting a screenshot of an earlier segment of the QT? Preferably one where you're discussing who you think is Scum. Also nice to be included would be the title of the QT. (Obviously, crop/blur out the url.)
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Remaining players:
1. Zaphod Beeblebrox - definitely scummy, but sex club's point on DGB's meta makes me wanna rethink.Sex club, does the vote you just put on Zaphod means you no longer think that point valid, or was it just the other half of the hydra (I'd guess elvis) posting?
2. Apples and Banana - I'm a bit uncomfortable with them, but they did play a part in Yoswagon. Possibly SK.
3. Zmd - completely useless, and I think the hammer on Yos was weakly reasoned and could've easily been a bus, as it was rather obvious he was getting lynched at that point. Definitely lynch-worthy.
5. Death the Hogfather - extreme lurkage. votes Yos for "contradiction", waits for his response then goes "oh, that makes sense! you must be town then!" and voted Zmd. Then posts after the lynch, saying he's sorry he couldn't hammer 'cause he sure was planning to, that he "definitely isn't complaining" about two scum being down, and that he agrees with "all" about me and walt being scum, and we therefore need to die aspap. No further explanation whatsoever. This is probably because he's scum.
8. Ortohoops - almost definitely town.
9. sex w/ shafteds wife club - almost definitely town.
10. PoketheAlpaca - not active enough, especially around the Yos wagon. I don't really like Poker catch-up post, either. Could easily be the remaining scumbuddy, but for now there are better candidates around.
11. nyballosulgniirkps Pesco Light - least close to confirmed not-mafia of all early Yos voters, but still probably not mafia. Possibly sk, if we have one.
13. J-Scope - reading sorta neutral, I find myself not remembering much of what they did here. Could be Jahudo flying under the radar as GF again, though if I understood correctly only 'scope is posting at the moment. Could you confirm this, J-scope?
14. Frog Dodging - I'd say definitely not scum with Yos, but could still be SK.
My coclusion is to lynch Death asap and think about the others later.
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Right, 'cause Yos would be this obvious... I don't think he expected to be lynched, so he could've just been trying to push the wagon that seemed second strongest. If he had post-mortem in mind, I doubt he'd suck that much at "making me look good" unless he wanted people to think I was his scumbuddy.ortolan wrote:...This was a crappy reason. What a good way to make your scumbuddy look good when you flip scum.
No, you repeat after me.ortolan wrote:Repeat after me. W-I-F-O-M.
...Anyway why would a townie care whether they were the L-1 or the L vote on a wagon? Why would you comment on it to begin with?Plays that are bad for any alingment aren't scumtells. Why would town do this? No idea. Why would scum do this? No idea. Why is scum more likely to do this than town, then? They aren't.-
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