Mean Mod LoveFest - Game Over. But, whowonit?

ZazieR · Post Post #5 (isolation #0) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:51 am

Vote Haylen

BM lover rival must die!!!
(Though I also like other players. Hi Tajo <3)
And for using the blowjob smiley

ZazieR · Post Post #9 (isolation #1) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:02 am

I haven''t talked to anyone. Phily''s sig told me enough ^.^

ZazieR · Post Post #16 (isolation #2) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:14 am

Mod

- I''ll probably be V/LA this weekend. Some stuff came up...
Don''t really want to give more details.
I''ll try to post if I can put my thoughts towards it.

ZazieR · Post Post #22 (isolation #3) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:12 am

ortolan wrote:
Vote: Zazie

Strong scum read already

From three posts? Please explain.

ZazieR · Post Post #23 (isolation #4) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:13 am

Crazy wrote:I have to agree.

Vote: Zazie

But first, you explain. Before Orto.

ZazieR · Post Post #24 (isolation #5) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:14 am

ckool5000 wrote: Wow.... Only 14 "true posts" of the game and someone already has a
34.8
scum reading!

I don't understand the bolded

ZazieR · Post Post #206 (isolation #6) » Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:04 am

Starting slowly my updates for all my games. So expect some content from me soon.

ZazieR · Post Post #208 (isolation #7) » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:16 am

First of all, to entertain Prozac a bit more

Claim: Super Hot Chick, ZazieR

Flavour: You are ZazieR. Super Hot Chick, ZazieR, to be exact. You once went on a date with the mod. As you enjoyed it a lot, you gave him your cellphone number. Though, he never called. Much later, you saw him again, and he explained that he was locked up in his basement. It's your mission to find the player who did this! However, you don't know who it was. It could have been FL, who came to teach others how to use handcuffs and whips. Or was it Adel, who needed a new basement for his secret stuff? Then there's also Ether, who could have tried to turn BM into a Mith Underling.
Who ever it was, you want that player dead!

In other words, I'm a lyncher. However, I can also use my awesome seductive powers for the good, so it's better to keep me alive. This is also better as if I'm dead, you can't admire my looks anymore

...

*Hides now for Prozac*

ZazieR · Post Post #209 (isolation #8) » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:17 am

Secondly, the death miller claim.
Super Hot Chick will now all seduce you into not voting Mastin! Claiming (death) miller is a null tell. Lynching scummy players is what we want. So I'll only vote Mastin, if he acts scummy.

ZazieR · Post Post #210 (isolation #9) » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:19 am

And third, Super Hot Chick begs

the mod

not to use brown anymore to edit into posts...
I spend some time, trying to find out if Billybob was edited into the post from BC or not >.< (Colour blindness...)

ZazieR · Post Post #215 (isolation #10) » Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:02 am

Porochaz wrote:
ZazieR wrote:Secondly, the death miller claim.
Super Hot Chick will now all seduce you into not voting Mastin! Claiming (death) miller is a null tell. Lynching scummy players is what we want. So I'll only vote Mastin, if he acts scummy.
millar=/=death millar.

True, but I see both as a null tell. That's why I wrote '(death) miller'

Anyway, my analysis about all the posts will be later, possibly tomorrow. I'm rather busy to put much attention into mafia now.

ZazieR · Post Post #217 (isolation #11) » Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:08 am

In other words, new and old fags again

ZazieR · Post Post #218 (isolation #12) » Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:09 am

That was as a player from 2007 said it. So if I wasn't allowed to say that, I apologize >.<

ZazieR · Post Post #225 (isolation #13) » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:02 am

BloodCovenent wrote:
Porochaz wrote: Bastard mod game. Who cares? Your reaching. He's dropping hints with "HEY GUYZ IM DROPIN' HINTZ HERE LOOKS AT MY BIG SIGNZ". The jester thing came out of nowhere and without substantial evidence should really not be considered.
Why not? If he is a jester, and we lynch him, we lose.

Based upon previous games, we don't.

ZazieR · Post Post #228 (isolation #14) » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:06 am

BloodCovenent wrote:
ZazieR wrote:
BloodCovenent wrote:
Porochaz wrote: Bastard mod game. Who cares? Your reaching. He's dropping hints with "HEY GUYZ IM DROPIN' HINTZ HERE LOOKS AT MY BIG SIGNZ". The jester thing came out of nowhere and without substantial evidence should really not be considered.
Why not? If he is a jester, and we lynch him, we lose.
Based upon previous games, we don't.
well, yea. Playing for second place, right?

See Mind Screw Mafia 3 and Mini 763 in Coney Island.

ZazieR · Post Post #299 (isolation #15) » Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:38 am

Ok, starting with my update.
Post 26

BC, was the first paragraph serious or not? In other words, did that post made you suspicious of Crazy or not?

ZazieR · Post Post #300 (isolation #16) » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:02 am

Ok, two things about Mastin claim.
First of all, why didn''t you claim death miller in your first post if you were planning to claim death miller at the begin of the game?
Secondly, would be this post:

Mastin wrote:Remember: This is a B-mod game. I'm not going to go into further details, but do remember what I have said about what I'll flip if you decide to try and lynch me. Death millers, nasty business.

Gut doesn''t like it.

ZazieR · Post Post #391 (isolation #17) » Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:33 am

Here. Though I''ll probably be to busy tomorrow to start updating the games in which I''m behind tomorrow.
So expect some content either on monday or tuesday.

ZazieR · Post Post #402 (isolation #18) » Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:20 pm

Mastin wrote:"Errm, WTF?!? Mastin changed his avatar?!?"
Yea, well...to steal KMD's title...
I lost a bet. :/

Wanting to steal my images and now you''re stealing Kevin''s title?!
Now, you''ll die!!!

ZazieR · Post Post #403 (isolation #19) » Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:21 pm

In other words, going to read and post my analysis when I''m done.

ZazieR · Post Post #405 (isolation #20) » Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:37 pm

Uhm, you''re stealing Kevin''s title and you wanted to steal my images.
Lobster didn''t.
So no, I blame you

P.S. Just started a new serie. When it''s further than just a few episodes, I might have new images ^.^

ZazieR · Post Post #409 (isolation #21) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:46 am

Ok, done with making notes

Analysis coming up after a short break which I have deserved in my eyes

ZazieR · Post Post #410 (isolation #22) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:00 am

Ok, Spam Fest is going to start now ^.^
If you dare to interrupt, you''ll feel my revenge

First post I want to ask something about is Post 43
Ckool, why did you respond like this?

ZazieR · Post Post #411 (isolation #23) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:04 am

Next question is also for Ckool, regarding Post 55

You''re stating here that if somebody would comment on the set-up, it would make you 40% sure that he''s scum. Why?
And why did you state this?

ZazieR · Post Post #412 (isolation #24) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:06 am

Again, one of Ckool''s posts.
Post 57
This post gives me the impression that Ckool is panicking scum. Reason is due to the ''!''-mark used at point one.

ZazieR · Post Post #413 (isolation #25) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:08 am

Mastin, regarding Post 69. You explain here what was scummy about Ckool''s vote. Do you truely think this is scummy, or not?

ZazieR · Post Post #414 (isolation #26) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:11 am

Randomlunatic, in Post 73 you random voted Mastin. This was your second random vote. Why?

ZazieR · Post Post #415 (isolation #27) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:14 am

In Post 76, I didn''t like this response:

Ckool wrote:
What kind of scumtell is that?!?!

It gives me again the impression that Ckool is panicking scum.

ZazieR · Post Post #416 (isolation #28) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:15 am

EBWOP, just saw that you mentioned the set-up in this post, Ckool.
Didn''t you said earlier that the player commenting on the set-up would make you 40% sure that he''s scum?

ZazieR · Post Post #418 (isolation #29) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:21 am

That is you^^
For interrupting my Spam Fest

ZazieR · Post Post #419 (isolation #30) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:22 am

In Post 81, I don''t like it how Ckool responds to Mastin''s accusation of rolefishing.

ZazieR · Post Post #420 (isolation #31) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:25 am

Random, regarding Post 89, how did you know the RVS has ended?
Gut has been activated as well in this post.

ZazieR · Post Post #421 (isolation #32) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:27 am

Also, Random, Post 96. Can you elaborate on the last sentence?
I don''t like it that you state it isn''t an excuse, as well.

ZazieR · Post Post #422 (isolation #33) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:29 am

And Random again, how come you didn''t state your opinion of Mastin''s claim in Post 100

ZazieR · Post Post #423 (isolation #34) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:31 am

The overreaction in Post 117 is killing me. Not liking it.

ZazieR · Post Post #424 (isolation #35) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:34 am

As has been stated, Post 128 indeed contains some kind of ''newbie defence''.

ZazieR · Post Post #425 (isolation #36) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:35 am

Also, two other things regarding Ckool:
-Was active around the time when Mastin claimed. Yet, he didn''t state any opinion about it.
-The joke percentages at the end of each post. Seems to me as if he wants to avoid suspicion on him.

ZazieR · Post Post #426 (isolation #37) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:36 am

Due to Ash''s flip, posts 143 and later 203 show that Mastin isn''t scum.

ZazieR · Post Post #428 (isolation #38) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:58 am

AAARRGGGGHHH

YOU^^

I announce when the Spam Fest is over!

ZazieR · Post Post #429 (isolation #39) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:01 am

I don''t buy the explanation given inPost 149
Especially as he states that even if skim reading, he would have noticed votes.

ZazieR · Post Post #430 (isolation #40) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:07 am

Post 158 (Dunno why I wrote it at this post though >.<)
When you unvoted Mastin, you stated one of Mastin''s reasons: We were out of the RVS. Yet, Mastin stated another reason. You not addressing his claim.
Why did you note one, but not the other?

ZazieR · Post Post #431 (isolation #41) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:09 am

Regarding Post 162, this quote sounds as if you''re trying not to get attention:

Random wrote:I'm actually trying to remain calm rather than get angry(which hasn't helped in previous games).

ZazieR · Post Post #432 (isolation #42) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:10 am

Crazy, in Post 166, you stated that you like bandwagons in the RVS. So why didn''t you join one of the bigger bandwagons?

ZazieR · Post Post #433 (isolation #43) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:13 am

Don''t like the FoS in Post 177
Also, BC, you said that you didn''t like Random''s post

s

. Yet, you only mentioned one (if you don''t count the one to which you responded jokey). So which are the others?

ZazieR · Post Post #434 (isolation #44) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:18 am

'Sides. Ask Zaz. She should know that I'd know better than to fakeclaim (death)miller day one.

This. Though I’’d like to know why you directed them to me, Mastin

ZazieR · Post Post #435 (isolation #45) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:19 am

Kai, in Post 199 you state your top suspicions. Why is Mastin underneath Random?

ZazieR · Post Post #436 (isolation #46) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:23 am

Post 202 made by BC is scummy, due to the rolefishing in it.

ZazieR · Post Post #437 (isolation #47) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:25 am

Random, why did you FoS Ckool in Post 224, instead of a vote?

ZazieR · Post Post #438 (isolation #48) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:29 am

BC, why did you vote Mastin over Crazy at the start of this game?

ZazieR · Post Post #439 (isolation #49) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:32 am

I believe Mastin''s claim.

ZazieR · Post Post #440 (isolation #50) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:37 am

I don''t like the vote in Post 349

ZazieR · Post Post #441 (isolation #51) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:40 am

In Post 396, I don''t like this quote:

Kai wrote:The only situation I would be even slightly comfortable with if we let him live til' Night would be making him kill himself or be auto-lynched D3.

Seems like he''s trying to eliminate a dangerous role if he''s scum.

ZazieR · Post Post #442 (isolation #52) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:42 am

Post 380

Zazie just has a lack of content, which is surprising considering her activity in another game.

Because I was busy to update games in which I was behind as already stated. Ever since I’’ve stated that I’’d be V/LA July 3rd, I’’ve been too busy to update the games in which I was behind. So I mainly updated those games in which I was uptodate or in which I only needed to read 5 pages or so.
Do I need to refer to other games in which this was the case?

ZazieR · Post Post #443 (isolation #53) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 am

I agree with Kai in Post 400 about BC.

ZazieR · Post Post #444 (isolation #54) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:44 am

What was the bet?

ZazieR · Post Post #445 (isolation #55) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:49 am

Regarding Post 406:

BC wrote:It wasn't likely at the time that he was fore certain going down. I was the second vote on him, It's not likely that I am a scum partner, and knew that he was going to go down this day. I probably would have done something to defend him If I were scum, because losing the Mafia GodMother probably sucks, I wouldn't want to lose that.

If you had defended him, it would only have been put negative attention on you. So it''s not valid to say this.

I find hims day dialoguing to be valuable.

Which is why you voted him at the start of this game for being Mastin? And why you wanted less activity from him?

ZazieR · Post Post #446 (isolation #56) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:50 am

Spam Fest is now over. Congrats

. Everybody, except Random, has survived ^.^
Enjoy the images

ZazieR · Post Post #447 (isolation #57) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:54 am

randomlunatic wrote:
ZazieR wrote:Randomlunatic, in Post 73 you random voted Mastin. This was your second random vote. Why?
I thought we were still in RVS.

Doesn''t explain why you voted twice.

ZazieR · Post Post #448 (isolation #58) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:59 am

Random wrote:
ZazieR wrote:Random, regarding Post 89, how did you know the RVS has ended?
Gut has been activated as well in this post.
I was told we were out of the RVS, by Mastin I think.

This brings me back to my question then, how come you didn''t respond to Mastin''s claim afterwards then?

Random wrote:
ZazieR wrote:And Random again, how come you didn''t state your opinion of Mastin''s claim in Post 100
I didn't know what a death miller was.

So how come you didn''t state your opinion after it was explained?

ZazieR · Post Post #451 (isolation #59) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:25 am

Kai wrote:@Zazie:
Kai, in Post 199 you state your top suspicions. Why is Mastin underneath Random?
Simple. Mastin's roleclaim puts him at priority lynch position regardless of how scummy anyone else has been. He was not my top suspect (random was), but he needed, and still does need, to be lynched. Scum won't kill him, and he will definitely flip SK. I don't know what can possibly be going through the heads of most of this town, but you DO NOT let a claimed SK get ANYWHERE NEAR lylo. If we assume 2 scum left, and 3 kills per Night, the fact remains that, unless Mastin is LYNCHED (taking away his kill), we could hit lylo tomorrow.

I''ve got a town read on him.
Also, the way he and Ash interacted shows that he isn''t scum and his play doesn''t make sense if he''s SK. So this reinforces my thoughts that he''s speaking the truth.
How can you see him as SK or as scum?

Kai wrote:
Seems like he''s trying to eliminate a dangerous role if he''s scum.
1. Mastin does not suspect me. He is much more likely to shoot one of his "top suspects" than he is to shoot me. If I were scum I would not consider him a danger, but rather a boon.

2. If I really felt that threatened by him, I would just shoot him tonight to get rid of him. It would most likely not result in both of us dying, since, as stated above, I don't even think I'm
on
his suspect list.

Not really seeing any basis behind your claim.

If you are scum, you are very likely to have a partner. So to only use you as example to disprove what I''m saying is invalid. Besides, it would eliminate a powerful role as already stated.
And point 2 shows exactly why we can keep him alive even if you think he''s scum.

Kai wrote:WHY THE HELL ARE SO MANY PEOPLE NOT VOTING AT ALL!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! DEADLINE HITS IN 4 DAYS!!!! GET OFF YOU'RE ASSES AND GET TO LYNCHING!!!!!!

My vote will go to either BC or Random. I want to see their responses first before making a choice.

Kairyuu wrote:. . .

Ok. I can tell Zazie's here. 2 pages in 6 hours means it's either her or Mastin, and the random pictures of dead people interspersed in the posting clarifies quite nicely.

May I take this as a compliment O.o?

ZazieR · Post Post #453 (isolation #60) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:44 am

Anything you want to say about my posts aimed at you, BC?

ZazieR · Post Post #498 (isolation #61) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:19 am

BC wrote:
ZazieR wrote:Post 202 made by BC is scummy, due to the rolefishing in it.
I believe that I answered that, Kai called me out on that. And This was my response.

So you role-fished due to a joke claim?

BC wrote:
ZazieR wrote:BC, why did you vote Mastin over Crazy at the start of this game?
1. It was an RVS vote, mostly a "Joke-Vote." I called him out for lurking, which he calls many others out on.
2. It's Mastin.
3. Not sure why I didn't pursue that, probably would have been good.

I understand why you voted Mastin for that reason. However, you were suspicious of a player. Yet, you chose to random vote. So I want to know why.

BC wrote:I'll be honest, i was naive. I've played maybe one game with him that I replaced out of because I couldn't keep up with it. It was too much content for me, and what i did read of it was confusing at the time. This game however, i am trying to make an effort to stick with it, and not replace out. Reading his content can be painful at some times, reading 5 pages of his banter, but it yields results, doesn't it?

Need to look for something. Hope I can find it as when I just tried, I couldn't >.<

ZazieR · Post Post #500 (isolation #62) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:36 am

Kairyuu wrote:@Zazie:
How can you see him as SK or as scum?
/sigh

Again. This is extremely simple. We know that he will flip SK. We also know that he's pretty decent at looking town when scum. Therefore, the only thing telling us he's not scum is his own words, when his role flip upon death will tell us the opposite. I do not think he is Mafia. I think he is a Serial Killer who screwed up and is good at damage control.

First of all, I've seen only one scum game from him that is finished. You were in it, and I think that you had your eyes on him the whole time ever since you replaced into it (Open 145).
Secondly, why would a SK draw attention like that when he'll lose if he gets lynched? Also, scum would claim death miller to confuse the town as the town won't know if he was truly scum or not. This makes the information that could be received from it useless, which gives an advantage to the partner(s) remaining. What would a SK gain?

Kai wrote:
If you are scum, you are very likely to have a partner. So to only use you as example to disprove what I''m saying is invalid.
Not quite. Besides the fact that I wouldn't mind if my buddy/buddies were lynched or vigged as long as I survived, I could just go straight to 2 if I felt it worrying enough.

If scum gets killed, it gives town more information. We can look at interactions.
As for the second statement, this might be the case for the scum. So he'd get killed during the night. Then why lynch him?

Kai wrote:
Besides, it would eliminate a powerful role as already stated.
And, as I have already stated, I believe said powerful role to be in the hands of someone with an anti-town agenda.

Answers these two questions:
-If you ignore Mastin's claim, what read would you have on him and why?
-Does this play make sense for a SK to do?

Kai wrote:
And point 2 shows exactly why we can keep him alive even if you think he''s scum.
Scum killing Mastin would be stupid. He needs to be lynched. There is no other way to remove him from the game except by making him kill himself, which he wont do tonight, and wont do tomorrow, because it will likely be lylo if we dont hit scum today. WE NEED TO LYNCH HIM. If he's SK and he wins I will RAGE.

Oh? Didn't you just say that you'd kill him as scum if it felt you worrying enough?
Also, there were three kills N1. Unless you have reasons to assume that both won't kill him, why didn't you take the last killing role into account?

And why did you decide to vote BC, when you think it's better to get rid off a killing role?

Can you link to the 'godmother' role?

ZazieR · Post Post #501 (isolation #63) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:37 am

randomlunatic wrote:Now that, Mastin, is a back to back post.

Isn't this cross-posting O.o?

ZazieR · Post Post #502 (isolation #64) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:38 am

ZazieR wrote:Post 158 (Dunno why I wrote it at this post though >.<)
When you unvoted Mastin, you stated one of Mastin''s reasons: We were out of the RVS. Yet, Mastin stated another reason. You not addressing his claim.
Why did you note one, but not the other?

Also,

Random

, did you respond to this or not?

ZazieR · Post Post #505 (isolation #65) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:12 am

Tajo wrote:Mastin, do you know that having another source of killing helps scum, right?

If you believe this to be the case, then why did you have your vote on BC?

ZazieR · Post Post #506 (isolation #66) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:25 am

In response to Post 482, I think he's telling the truth, though I'm not convinced by his case against you.

ZazieR · Post Post #507 (isolation #67) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:26 am

Also, now that I'm thinking about it.

Random

, did you respond to my posts when I posted my analysis?

ZazieR · Post Post #508 (isolation #68) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:31 am

As for post 496, I don't have a normal role PM.
I disagree with points 2 and 3 from Mastin. Tajo is one of my town reads.
I don't see what 4 has to do with all this.

ZazieR · Post Post #509 (isolation #69) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:32 am

Random wrote:Surely if you're claiming to be an SK/vig/whatever the hell you are, then one of those kills is yours. Maybe my naivety, but I was naturally assuming two scumteams, since there were two other kills aside from yours. I can't show you a quote, my bad.

Based upon Ash's flip, it seems more likely that one of the three was killed by a vig. One of them was scum and the third would then be SK.

ZazieR · Post Post #510 (isolation #70) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:35 am

BloodCovenent wrote:
ZazieR wrote:
Need to look for something. Hope I can find it as when I just tried, I couldn't >.<
maybe I can help....

was it one of the games that I replaced out of? Or was it open 157?

Dunno. You stated somewhere that you like Mastin as mod. Not as player. I'm looking for that.

ZazieR · Post Post #511 (isolation #71) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:37 am

I don't support a lynch on one of Mastin. He's one of my town reads.
Have to look at BC and Random who is scummier.

ZazieR · Post Post #514 (isolation #72) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:04 am

First of all, I have a town read on him.
Secondly, I don't see any reason why he'd do this as SK and I don't see him as scum due to the interaction between him and Ash.
Last, my role has also a different name.

ZazieR · Post Post #515 (isolation #73) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:06 am

randomlunatic wrote:
ZazieR wrote:Also, now that I'm thinking about it.

Random
, did you respond to my posts when I posted my analysis?
I think I did, after your spam fest. I didn't answer this bit I don't think though, can you elaborate on what you mean?

Zazie wrote:When you unvoted Mastin, you stated one of Mastin''s reasons: We were out of the RVS. Yet, Mastin stated another reason. You not addressing his claim.
Why did you note one, but not the other?

Mastin voted you for two reasons: Randomvoting while the RVS was over and not commenting on his claim.
You unvoted in your next post, stating that the RVS was over. You even said that Mastin's post told you this. So why didn't you mention Mastin's claim then?

ZazieR · Post Post #518 (isolation #74) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:31 am

His claim doesn't make sense.
However, would a SK really claim to be a death miller with a killing ability?
And no, my role has a different name. That's all.

ZazieR · Post Post #523 (isolation #75) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:36 am

populartajo wrote:
ZazieR wrote:His claim doesn't make sense.
However, would a SK really claim to be a death miller with a killing ability?
Why not?

About your role, Im only asking if the bastard nature of your role hints that Mastin could be telling the truth. Thats all.

As said, a claim like this draws attention. You of all players should know.
When a SK gets killed, he loses. This claim would just be pure suicide.

And no, my role doesn't hint at anything like that. I'm stating that some roles do have a different name. At least mine.

ZazieR · Post Post #525 (isolation #76) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:45 am

Mastin claims always scum in the RVS. Even when he's scum.
But those are jokey. Not meant serious, like the one he did about being a pro-town SK.

ZazieR · Post Post #527 (isolation #77) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:52 am

populartajo wrote:
ZazieR wrote:Mastin claims always scum in the RVS. Even when he's scum.
But those are jokey. Not meant serious, like the one he did about being a pro-town SK.
Zazie, you do know that he has claimed that he is indeed a SK with a town win condition, dont you?

What conclusion can you get of this?

Yes, I do know that. However, as stated, my role also has a different name.
As said, for a SK to claim this, would be suicide. And I don't see him as scum due to the interactions with Ash. So my conclusion is that he's speaking the truth and that he has a different name.

ZazieR · Post Post #541 (isolation #78) » Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:20 am

@Mastin

You and Tajo are both not scum. Check the OP. Ortolan has a normal role. Or the real name gets shown when killed, which I doubt.

ZazieR · Post Post #542 (isolation #79) » Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:23 am

populartajo wrote:So are the odds of he being a compulsive vig that got a serial killer PM with a town win condition are higher than he being a SK fakeclaiming?

Doubt it. Strongly doubt it.

We have to lynch Mastin today. The only way I see him to leave him alive is that we control his kill or he kills himself tonight, something he has admitted not willing to do.

Lynch plox.

Tajo, I might have missed it, but have you explained how this play makes sense for a SK to do? If you haven''t done so, can you explain it?
Also, you are forgetting that there are multiple killing roles.

ZazieR · Post Post #543 (isolation #80) » Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:28 am

ckool5000 wrote:With the deadline inching ever so nearer...

Vote: Mastin

Why Mastin when you''ve said that you are interested in wether BC is town or scum? Have you actually explained why you are interested in that?

ZazieR · Post Post #544 (isolation #81) » Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:43 am

populartajo wrote:
Crazy wrote:Ugh, I hate getting behind. I wasn't able to finish a post in my other game and I don't have time to look over everything here.

The only notable thing I saw was that Zazie claimed that her role also has a different name. That makes it more unlikely for Mastin to be scum. So no, I'm not in favor of lynching him.

I asked her if his role had at least a remote similarity to Mastin "SK with town condition" bastardy.

She said no.

So why?

Just did some research on the wiki. My role is normally a mafia role. So it actually is the case.
But I found two other games which used this role as well, and in one it was different

Not sure about the other as it wasn''t stated by the mod what the role in that game did.

ZazieR · Post Post #545 (isolation #82) » Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:45 am

@Mastin

Is there any reason why you didn''t paraphrase your win condition?

Happy Birthday btw

How young are you now

?

ZazieR · Post Post #570 (isolation #83) » Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:12 pm

Tajo wrote:Zazie's role is a normal mafia role. People dead have normal mafia roles. I have a normal mafia role. I bet everyone has a normal mafia role.

Not entirely true. It is a normal mafia role.
However:
-According to the wiki, it's normally a pro-mafia role. Yet, I have the town win condition.
-I afterwards searched the site for this role. I found two games that had used it. One didn't state what it did. The other did, and it's differently than what it does in this game.

Also, SK is also a normal mafia role, is it not?

Tajo wrote:Also good job paraphrasing "Im blooodthirsty" and not the town win condition.

I was also wondering why he didn't paraphrase the town win condition. He has answered why on page 22.

ZazieR · Post Post #571 (isolation #84) » Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:27 pm

@Mastin

It does make sense for BC to defend you. You are a known killing role. If you don't suspect him, you won't shoot him. Defending you doesn't clear a player in my opinion.

ZazieR · Post Post #572 (isolation #85) » Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:51 pm

BloodCovenent wrote:
populartajo wrote: Dude, what is so hard to understand that YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE DEFENDING HIM? Of course he is going to defend you even if he hates you. He doesnt have other choice.
I do have a choice, If I were scum, wouldn't it have just been easier for me to vote him in the first place? Of course I would just slide right under the radar, lurk a little bit, piggy back on ALL OF YOUR arguments against mastin to justify my vote, and slide to day three easily. No, i don't like that choice, I'd rather not lynch a pro-town player, when in fact, it looks more like Random lunatic is scum. Notice that he didn't vote on Day 1? he said he was going to catch up later, he never did, he could have hammered there, and the day would have been over. Seriously, if there is a deadline, and you are just a few hours away from it, wouldn't you just list your case against the person, and vote them off? Or at least vote them? There were, what 7? 8? people voting ash, and he didn't follow the bandwagon? I would have, because i have a policy, rather lynch than no-lynch. He didn't want to be associated (IMO) with ash. i'm sure he bussed ash, just haven't found it yet, because I wasn't necessarily looking for it, will do later tonight however.

You'd have put him on L-1. The only vote that would have given a player more negative attention would have been the hammer vote.
Besides, it doesn't fit my impression I've gotten from you of

two

three (Vengeful, Newbie 734 and Mafia 95) of your finished town games.

ZazieR · Post Post #573 (isolation #86) » Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:57 pm

BloodCovenent wrote:
populartajo wrote:
BC, when Mastin claimed SK and you attacked the people in the wagon rather than him, what made you think he was town?
1. This is a B-mod game, i was under the influence that the intent of some of the roles are the to screw with our minds, Mastin probably got this in his PM.
2. I saw some of his breadcrumbs, (not all of them) and then it made sense.
3. Although it looked like i was rolefishing with mastin, that is partially what helped me believe his claim.
4. What Zazie said, why the hell would ANY scum claim SK Death Miller, claiming SK in itself is foolish, obviously we are lead to believe that we should lynch, but i don't think we should. He's town.

Now, you answer me this. Read my post on 561, and tell me your thoughts on it. Ok. Because i'm pretty sure that I totally blew your argument out of the water. Your accusation against me ( my best interest as scum to defend mastin), is completely faulty.

Why didn't you state these reasons sooner (With the exception of point 4)?

ZazieR · Post Post #574 (isolation #87) » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:07 pm

sykedoc wrote:My problem is, both arguments are based on speculation. Due to the nature of the game, its really difficult for me to pull down either side.

I want some thoughts from people who are not currently being accused. The only three who have been posting since I got here are all suspect. I want to hear from people who are off the table.

It is EXTREMELY likely that 1 or 2 of you are mafia.
C'est la vie.

First of all, Tajo is hardly a suspect. The only one who is attacking him, is Mastin.
Secondly, you know that deadline is close, you know that BC and Mastin are suspects, so why don't you look at their posts and give your opinion of them?

And who contain extremely likely 1 or 2 mafia? The players who are off the table or those who you saw as suspects?

ZazieR · Post Post #575 (isolation #88) » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:17 pm

sykedoc wrote:I like having outside viewpoints.
The ones within the conflict clearly have biased viewpoints, therefore anything they tell me is subject to the bias "don't kill me" or "kill him"

People who aren't inside the conflict may provide me with a little more insight.

Also it's similar to this:

If one kick kicks another kid and lies about it.. you hear this:
Kicker says "I didn't kick him, he fell"
Kicked says "I didn't fall, he kicked me"

It'd be much more efficient to go to the kid standing 20 feet away and say "Was he kicked or did he fall?"

Get?

I just want more viewpoints than the central yellers.

Unless the third kid is a friend of one of them. Would he still be un-biased? Or would he support his friend?
The best thing to do is to look at the video and look back a few times at it to form your own opinion based upon the evidence.

Anyway, I think both Mastin and Tajo are town as I have already stated.

ZazieR · Post Post #576 (isolation #89) » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:24 pm

Battle Mage wrote:
Request for extension to the deadline has been DENIED.

BM

Mod~

We are both in the Poker Tournament at Mish Mash, right? If you extend the deadline, you and me could make it for us a bit more 'special'

What do you say ^.^?

Anyway,

Vote BloodCovenent

Btter lynch than Mastin.

ZazieR · Post Post #577 (isolation #90) » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:25 pm

Tajo wrote:Crazy, Zazier and Sykedoc need to decide a target right now. I assume they wont go with the Mastinobvsk lynch and he will kill me tonight.

Silly

Your lucky charm is in this game ^.^
And Mastin is right. Please drop the "R" >.<

ZazieR · Post Post #580 (isolation #91) » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:50 pm

Tags are

ZazieR · Post Post #591 (isolation #92) » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:36 am

Unvote

Please give us what you have learned, BC.

ZazieR · Post Post #593 (isolation #93) » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:46 am

Can you paraphrase your role?
And why didn't you claim sooner that you were a 1-shot?

ZazieR · Post Post #598 (isolation #94) » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:42 am

What happened to BC's last post O.o?

ZazieR · Post Post #606 (isolation #95) » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:27 am

He posted and BM saw that as partially quoting. I don't know if I may re-state it. But it proves that BC isn't lying about being a Seer.

ZazieR · Post Post #607 (isolation #96) » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:30 am

Crazy

What's you reasoning for the 'hammer' when you said earlier you couldn't see his play as SK?

ZazieR · Post Post #609 (isolation #97) » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:32 am

Is that all you have to say towards the last post from Crazy, BC?

ZazieR · Post Post #616 (isolation #98) » Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:06 am

Tajo wrote:
Mastin wrote:I know that PopTajo claimed to have a normal role, thereby making him look more like scum.
Oh yes, like Ortolan who was a TOWN busdriver. And Haylen and Poro who were both VANILLA TOWNIES.

Due to Mastin's flip, I want some elaboration on this, Tajo.

ZazieR · Post Post #617 (isolation #99) » Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:06 am

BC

Did you use your action last night?

ZazieR · Post Post #618 (isolation #100) » Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:07 am

Haylen

Did you know you would be reserructed or not?

ZazieR · Post Post #620 (isolation #101) » Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:13 am

Can you give the link to where you stated the reasons earlier?
And is the link of a 'scum slip' correct or not?

ZazieR · Post Post #621 (isolation #102) » Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:14 am

And before I forget again:

Kai

Where were you at the end of Day 2 and what are your thoughts?

ZazieR · Post Post #651 (isolation #103) » Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:56 pm

Kairyuu wrote:@Zazie: I was at work when the hammer came down. I came home and logged in to post, and then saw that the Day was over. It was irritating.

As for my thoughts, well, I leave fore work in about 15 minutes, so those will have to wait until later tonight.

Your post history shows that you were online before the hammer. So I hope to see your thoughts soon.

ZazieR · Post Post #652 (isolation #104) » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:08 pm

ckool5000 wrote:Oh, and in response to BC, I voted for Mastin since that would be one of my last chances to post in the next few days, and the deadline was inching closer....
Or something like that
.

Can you explain at what the bolded is aimed?
Also, I''d like to hear an elaboration on your motives for voting Mastin. You voted him at the start of Day 2, unvoted as you weren''t sure if you believed his claim and in the end you choose to vote him, because the deadline was near. So the first bit about his claim had nothing to do with the vote at the end of the day?

ZazieR · Post Post #653 (isolation #105) » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:10 pm

Though I disagree with Crazy''s hammer as there was still option 3 (Lynch a different player) left, he still reads town to me.

ZazieR · Post Post #654 (isolation #106) » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:10 pm

ckool5000 wrote:I'm having trouble determining who's scum. I just went over Kairyuu's posts, and he seems town to me.

Why did you read over Kai?

ZazieR · Post Post #655 (isolation #107) » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:18 pm

populartajo wrote:
ZazieR wrote:
Tajo wrote:
Mastin wrote:I know that PopTajo claimed to have a normal role, thereby making him look more like scum.
Oh yes, like Ortolan who was a TOWN busdriver. And Haylen and Poro who were both VANILLA TOWNIES.
Due to Mastin's flip, I want some elaboration on this, Tajo.
Why you need a elaboration on this? Ort, Hay and Poro had all normal roles. Are you agreeing with Mastin logic that having a normal role means scum?

As said in the quote, I want an elaboration due to Mastin''s flip.
Mastin claimed to be Serial Killer. And look at what he flipped. Another claim we''ve had is from BC. And it''s a seer with some kind of 1-shot role cop.
In other words,

Haylen

, please give your role name.

So as answer, if Haylen has a different role name than her actual flipped role, I think Mastin''s logic is correct. Hence, there''s no vote.

ZazieR · Post Post #656 (isolation #108) » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:20 pm

populartajo wrote:
ZazieR wrote:Can you give the link to where you stated the reasons earlier?
And is the link of a 'scum slip' correct or not?
Why do you need to have a correct link to my supposed scum slip?

Did you miss it in all the posts that Mastin made yesterday?

If BC states he saw a scum slip and I haven''t seen any from you, I need the correct link to see if it''s the case. And I disagree with BC.

ZazieR · Post Post #657 (isolation #109) » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:23 pm

ckool5000 wrote:....As far as I can tell, BloodCovenant is the one who did the scumslip, since he talked about three other players being a scum team, when one scum has already been lynched. I find a four-person scum team, even in a "Mean Mod" game, to be highly unlikely.

How is this a scumslip to you?

ZazieR · Post Post #658 (isolation #110) » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:26 pm

@BC

A few times now has been asked to you if you have used your action. Yet you haven''t answered it. So please answer one of the following two questions:
-Have you used it? If not, why?
-If you refuse to answer, why?

ZazieR · Post Post #661 (isolation #111) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:17 am

Tajo

Rolename, please.

ZazieR · Post Post #662 (isolation #112) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:18 am

BloodCovenent wrote:
ZazieR wrote:
@BC

A few times now has been asked to you if you have used your action. Yet you haven''t answered it. So please answer one of the following two questions:
-Have you used it? If not, why?
-If you refuse to answer, why?
I did answer

Sorry, I thought it was your read on Syke.

ZazieR · Post Post #666 (isolation #113) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:08 am

populartajo wrote:
ZazieR wrote:
Tajo

Rolename, please.
WTF Zazie?

Explain clearly why are you rolefishing like crazy.

Mastin claimed to be SK and flipped Vig.
Haylen flipped townie, but after she got resurrected she claimed (if I remember correct) Reviver.
BC has claimed to be a Seer, with a description that doesn''t match the normal abiliy of a Seer. My ability doesn''t match the given Role Name.

You''ve claimed to have a normal role. And you used the dead players as example that it doesn''t make you scum. Now that one of the dead players is alive, it''s been revealed that this isn''t the case.
Therefore, please give your Rolename.

ZazieR · Post Post #667 (isolation #114) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:09 am

populartajo wrote:
ZazieR wrote:
populartajo wrote:
ZazieR wrote:
Tajo wrote:
Mastin wrote:I know that PopTajo claimed to have a normal role, thereby making him look more like scum.
Oh yes, like Ortolan who was a TOWN busdriver. And Haylen and Poro who were both VANILLA TOWNIES.
Due to Mastin's flip, I want some elaboration on this, Tajo.
Why you need a elaboration on this? Ort, Hay and Poro had all normal roles. Are you agreeing with Mastin logic that having a normal role means scum?
As said in the quote, I want an elaboration due to Mastin''s flip.
Mastin claimed to be Serial Killer. And look at what he flipped. Another claim we''ve had is from BC. And it''s a seer with some kind of 1-shot role cop.
In other words,
Haylen
, please give your role name.

So as answer, if Haylen has a different role name than her actual flipped role, I think Mastin''s logic is correct. Hence, there''s no vote.
I dont think I understand your logic here. Rephrase?

The claimed rolenames don''t match the flips. Therfore, I think Mastin''s logic is correct.
So please give your Rolename.

ZazieR · Post Post #670 (isolation #115) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:16 am

No, I didn''t say that. And I told you that many times as you mentioned it against Mastin.
My Rolename is normally used for a scumrole and in one of the two games I saw it used for town, it was a different ability. The other didn''t state what it did at Endgame as the mod was absent at the end of the game.

ZazieR · Post Post #671 (isolation #116) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:17 am

Tajo wrote:So that I understand you better, are you saying that Poro wasnt a vanilla townie or that Ort wasnt a busdriver?

With the information we have now, I think this indeed. Four roles are pointing this direction.

ZazieR · Post Post #677 (isolation #117) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:48 am

First of all, what''s up with you two ignoring Tajo''s request?
Please state if you have a normal rolename or not.

ZazieR · Post Post #680 (isolation #118) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:01 am

Kai wrote:Umm. Right. Because having the time to post an action in a MishMash game is the same as having the time to read several pages of a Mastin-heavy Mafia game and comment on them. That makes perfect sense. Oh wait . . .

You know that those Mish Mash games weren''t the only topics at which you commented.

ZazieR · Post Post #681 (isolation #119) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:05 am

Kai wrote:BloodCovenant is now claiming some sort of hypercop. It is almost definitely a fakeclaim, or a scum role. Giving that role to town would destroy the entire balance of the game, because if he manages to investigate a scum with his one shot, he would get the identities of everyone on the scumteam, Which ends the game right there.

Need to look at his claim, as I can''t remember that he claimed to get all the information of that player''s role.
But if it does, this is a good point.

ZazieR · Post Post #682 (isolation #120) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:06 am

@Random

No thoughts you want to share about BC''s claim? Or the Rolename discussion?

ZazieR · Post Post #684 (isolation #121) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:27 am

BC

What did you receive? As you claimed this:

BC wrote:Claim: Seer.
I can read some ones role at night, completely, with some fictitious information added.

Kai makes a good point about it.

ZazieR · Post Post #687 (isolation #122) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:38 am

Mastin claimed SK, but with the flip he was shown as Vigilante.
Haylen was shown as Townie, but her Rolename is Reviver.
BC claimed to have a Rolename which doesn''t match its normal ability. And the same goes for me, though I haven''t claimed yet.

Though Tajo, and later Kai as well, has claimed to have a normal role.

Does your rolename fit the ability?

ZazieR · Post Post #689 (isolation #123) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:49 am

Haylen wrote:Zazie, a Reviver always flips townie when lynched or NK'd.

It does? I have never seen it, except some kind of it in FL games. And there, they flipped that they were revivers of some kind.
Do you have a link of a game in which a reviver was?

ZazieR · Post Post #692 (isolation #124) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:13 am

Haylen wrote:So I'm guessing the mod probably has mucked around with the roles quite a bit, this being a BM game.

Fixed for you

Time to do some research.

ZazieR · Post Post #704 (isolation #125) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:49 pm

Haylen wrote:I'm a reviver, it's a protown role. I can be lynched or NK'd once. It's an interesting role because I revive myself a day and night later, which isn't typical with normal revivers.

Quoted as it might be useful for later.
But your thoughts on Day 2 please.

ZazieR · Post Post #705 (isolation #126) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:51 pm

Syke wrote:Zaz, I'm not sure if your idea is completely functional or not. I can see that happening in a B-mod game but its a bit over the line, because that would essentially put us in a No-Reveal game.

Already found out that this doesn''t work.

ZazieR · Post Post #706 (isolation #127) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:52 pm

Random wrote:As for quick voting, what's the difference between my quick vote and BC's at the start of today? Infact, BC voted twice within the first 45 minutes of day 3.

Pointing fingers.

ZazieR · Post Post #707 (isolation #128) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:01 pm

BC wrote:there is only a possibility that information is added, and if it is, it would be fictitious.

fictitious? Doesn''t that mean ''fake''?
So couldn''t it be that the PM that was send to you be fake?

ZazieR · Post Post #708 (isolation #129) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:05 pm

Crazy wrote:I thought it might have been a breadcrumb or something

Of course it is

We''ve got these:
NOBAS

Shuffle, and we get: No abs.
In other words, Syke knows that the scum members have no abs. Meaning, each guy must post a pic, except Tajo as we all know that he has them, to prove that they have abs or not ^.^ Mod is included, as it''s possible he''s a player

P.S. Tajo, if you want to, you may post a pic as well

A different possibility, which is less (very, very, very less) likely is: Bason.
Syke just claimed to be a Mason without a Buddy.
But scratch this, as the first is the case

ZazieR · Post Post #711 (isolation #130) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:45 pm

Nah

I still want a pic from our mod. Which I deserve as he knows

I like to joke every once in a while with players I know.

(But if anybody was willing to post a pic, please do so ^.^)

ZazieR · Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:59 pm

Ckool

Have you been following along since this day started?

ZazieR · Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:17 am

But for now,

Vote RandomLunatic

ZazieR · Post Post #728 (isolation #133) » Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:51 am

And my vote doesn''t, Haylen? Why do you single him out?

ZazieR · Post Post #730 (isolation #134) » Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:12 am

Nope. Will work out the reasons later.
I just find it weird that you did call out BC, who gave reasons, but not me, who hasn''t given them yet. And it seems your answer is that you forgot to include it, right?

But why are you voting BC, who has claimed a 1-shot investigation role?

ZazieR · Post Post #732 (isolation #135) » Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:16 am

I''d prefer it if you could answer my question. But I can understand.

ZazieR · Post Post #734 (isolation #136) » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:08 am

BC is not the lynch.

ZazieR · Post Post #736 (isolation #137) » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:17 am

Which is why he knows Syke''s role? Because it''s fake?

ZazieR · Post Post #737 (isolation #138) » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:26 am

In other words, nobody hammers!
I''ll show the case against Random tomorrow.

ZazieR · Post Post #747 (isolation #139) » Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:09 am

Random wrote:@Zazie, why are you so certain that BC is town? He cold be making up Syke's role. Syke COULD be scum, and BC is covering it up(though that would be pretty risky, since it would make Syke a certain lynch if BC was lynched and shown to be scum)

After the Mastin lynch, we would have two killing factions left. With a claim like that, BC would become a huge target. Even if he did survive the night, if he would clear a player, that player would become a huge target as well.
Not only that, he could have used this claim to clear Mastin. Mastin wouldn''t shoot him and BC wouldn''t be tied to his scum partner if he''s scum.

BC''s actions don''t make sense for scum. Leaves SK, but in that case, the fake-claim argument doesn''t make sense. Unless you can disprove one of these statements, BC shouldn''t be the lynch.

ZazieR · Post Post #748 (isolation #140) » Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:11 am

BloodCovenent wrote:
randomlunatic wrote:Why did you take the suggestion of someone you thought was scum, and not someone you had a town feel on? What did you have to prove to tajo?

@Zazie, why are you so certain that BC is town? He cold be making up Syke's role. Syke COULD be scum, and BC is covering it up(though that would be pretty risky, since it would make Syke a certain lynch if BC was lynched and shown to be scum)
Well, If i play a cop role, i tend to investigate players that hare hard to get a read on, tend to lurk, or not post much content at all, Isaac/Syke fit that role. I had nothing to prove to Poptaj.

This bothers me a bit. Because in post 739, it seems you are blaming Tajo, while you are claiming you''d have investigated Syke anyways.

ZazieR · Post Post #751 (isolation #141) » Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:37 am

Zaz wrote:After the Mastin lynch, we would have two killing factions left. With a claim like that, BC would become a huge target. Even if he did survive the night, if he would clear a player, that player would become a huge target as well.
Not only that, he could have used this claim to clear Mastin. Mastin wouldn''t shoot him and BC wouldn''t be tied to his scum partner if he''s scum.
BC''s actions don''t make sense for scum. Leaves SK, but in that case, the fake-claim argument doesn''t make sense. Unless you can disprove one of these statements, BC shouldn''t be the lynch.

ZazieR · Post Post #754 (isolation #142) » Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:41 am

Main reason for wanting BC lynched is because you think he''s fake-claiming scum, right?
Two options: He''s scum or he''s SK.
-Scum. The claim makes him a huge target. SK will probably target him during the night as it''s a powerful role. If he''s indeed fake-claiming, he must be scum with Syke. If one dies and flips scum, it''s game over. The claim is too dangerous to have been made by scum.
-SK. If he''s SK, how can he be correct about Syke''s role PM? So the argument about him fake-claiming becomes invalid.

So until one can disprove that one of these statements is incorrect, he shouldn''t be the lynch.

ZazieR · Post Post #756 (isolation #143) » Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:59 am

The logic about a SK targeting BC was about N2. Then, BC wasn''t suspected. At least, nobody showed anything of that kind at the end of the day.
I think BC was targeted last night.
If he''s SK with this ability, he still didn''t fake-claim. Which means that the argument still isn''t valid.

When I first read, he was scummy. However, due to D2 and N2, I have no reason to believe he''s scum.

ZazieR · Post Post #759 (isolation #144) » Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:15 am

Tajo wrote:Zazie, BC has been scummy all the game. SKs dont kill scummy players even more with a dead vig.

Tajo, at the end of the day, most players saw him as confirmed town due to the deletion of one of his posts by the mod.

Tajo wrote:So if he is a SK with this abillity, he isnt fakeclaiming, that means he shouldn't be lynched, right? Wait, what?

He should be lynched, however it proves that the argument against him isn''t valid. And that''s what I''m trying to prove.

Tajo wrote:Maybe you should reevaluate your logic for clearing someone that investigated following the advice of someone he thought was scum, huh?

As already said, that''s the only bit that bothers me.

Tajo wrote:This is terrible logic, Zazie. If he is fakeclaiming, he doesnt have to be scum with Syke.

Once again, I''m trying to prove here that the argument isn''t valid.

As for why I think BC was targeted last night, it''s because there were no night kills and I targeted him that night.

ZazieR · Post Post #760 (isolation #145) » Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:15 am

BC wrote:I should have just investigated Ash, on N2, and had been done with it.

Ash was dead N2. So how could you have done so?

ZazieR · Post Post #765 (isolation #146) » Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:38 am

Well, Tajo, then why didn''t you think that his claimed role could be possible with a scum/SK allignment, when you wrote this:

I dont think I buy BC claim but is easily probable. If he is telling the truth, he should use it tonight, preferably in sykeduck.

Bleh. Think carefully and answer this: does your role clear him knowing that there was no night kills yesterday?

I don''t know what you are exactly asking, but my action explains the lack of NK''s N2.

ZazieR · Post Post #767 (isolation #147) » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:55 am

He also said he could receive (That expensive word that means in normal English ''fake'') information.

ZazieR · Post Post #772 (isolation #148) » Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:44 am

Tajo wrote:So you think he is town?

Yeah, otherwise, I''d be attacking him.

ZazieR · Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:31 pm

populartajo wrote:
ZazieR wrote:
Tajo wrote:So you think he is town?
Yeah, otherwise, I''d be attacking him.
In probabilities, how sure would you be that BC is town?

Don''t do numbers. But I''m sure enough to change from attacking him to defending him.

ZazieR · Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:06 pm

populartajo wrote:
ZazieR wrote:
Tajo wrote:Zazie, BC has been scummy all the game. SKs dont kill scummy players even more with a dead vig.
Tajo, at the end of the day, most players saw him as confirmed town due to the deletion of one of his posts by the mod.
Woah, who saw him as confirmed town? I didnt.

Then explain this post.

ZazieR wrote:
Tajo wrote:So if he is a SK with this abillity, he isnt fakeclaiming, that means he shouldn't be lynched, right? Wait, what?
He should be lynched, however it proves that the argument against him isn''t valid. And that''s what I''m trying to prove.
How the hell isnt valid when the conclusion of the argument is that he should be lynched?

The main argument to lynch BC is that some players think he''s fake-claiming scum. I have stated for both mafia and SK, why it''s very unlikely this is the case. Meaning that the main reason has become invalid.
With this quote, you''re technically saying that the main reason for lynching BC is invalid (as you don''t state how my logic is wrong), but because there''s a chance that he is scum, we should still lynch him. That''s not the way it works.
Also, this gives me a huge deja vu. I give reasons why it doesn''t make sense why Mastin would have claimed that role. You don''t give reasons why my reasons are invalid, yet you still push for his lynch. Mastin gets lynched and flips town.
Now, change Mastin to BC and wait for the flip. If he BC also flips town, we have an exact deja vu.

ZazieR wrote:
Tajo wrote:This is terrible logic, Zazie. If he is fakeclaiming, he doesnt have to be scum with Syke.
Once again, I''m trying to prove here that the argument isn''t valid.
Zazie, your argument here was that if he was scum he had to be scum with Syke. We know BC indeed has this ability, but we cant be sure of his alignment. BC could very well be scum using his ability with town Syke.

The argument was that BC''s claim of being a 1-shot role cop thingy is fake. And in that case, my argument is valid.
As for this argument, it could be true. Still shows that Kai''s argument is BS.

ZazieR · Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:08 pm

ckool5000 wrote:Oh, man... Why do I always have to be the last to vote.....

Any reason why that bothers you?

ZazieR · Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:13 pm

BC wrote:A Question to everyone: How shocked would you be
if
I flipped town? Who would you pursue next?

Quoted without bold, to add my bold. Why ''if'' if you are town? Shouldn''t you have no doubt about what you''ll flip? And I''m also interested why you asked the first question. Please explain.
As for your second question, I''m thinking that the scum team is hidden within Random, Tajo and Kai. Not sure about who the SK can be. Either one of those three or Ckool.
So I''d pursue one of those 4.

ZazieR · Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:17 pm

Ckool wrote:1. I'm raising an eyebrow at what Zazie said, but no, I can't disprove anything.

Why are you raising an eyebrow?

ZazieR · Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:20 pm

Crazy wrote:I don't see what's wrong with a Ckool lynch, really. All he's doing is fence-sitting and actively lurking.

Other players are scummier.

ZazieR · Post Post #802 (isolation #155) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 6:10 am

I thought he was talking about this

ZazieR · Post Post #804 (isolation #156) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 6:15 am

BaM = Bad at Mafia.

ZazieR · Post Post #806 (isolation #157) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 6:28 am

I''ve already given my reasons. And I''ve also hinted at what my ability is. What more do you need?
(And it seems you have some difficulties with the gender >.<)

ZazieR · Post Post #808 (isolation #158) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 6:35 am

Because there''s still one situation possible in which he''s scum. And even though I think it''s very unlikely, it''s still there. So if I see something that needs some explanation, I''ll ask.

ZazieR · Post Post #810 (isolation #159) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 6:41 am

BC scum with his claimed ability.

ZazieR · Post Post #812 (isolation #160) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 6:46 am

No, you''ve been saying that since D3

I think it''s very unlikely, because it means that he didn''t submit a kill and that he could have checked soft-claimed powerroles, but chose not to as scum.

ZazieR · Post Post #815 (isolation #161) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 6:55 am

Tajo wrote:What about if he cant use only one ability at the time?

That would mean SK. So a SK has to face 12 players, and has a 1-shot which he can only use on a night he doesn''t kill? That seems very imbalanced to me.

Why did he choose someone I told him to investigate?

Would you listen to someone you think is scum?

He first said it was due to you. That was scummy, and I did point it out. However, he later explain he would probably have investigated Syke as that player slot has been very silent. He even provided meta for this statement. So it''s only scummy that he tried to blame you for it.

ZazieR · Post Post #816 (isolation #162) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 6:59 am

Haylen wrote:Hmm...I don't think Zazie is scum, he played differently when we played together in a Vengeful. If he is scum, I think he'd have a more complicated role than a goon. I don't know if people play differently when they have different scum roles though, so don't take my word for that.

I don''t think meta works on me. I try to play scum as if I''m town as I have told you. Tajo should be able to confirm this after all the games we''ve played.

Also, how do we know that Mastin was a compulsive Vig? For all we know there could still be 3 scumteams...Or one scumteam and 2 protown killing roles. Personally, I wouldn't put it past the mod.

If he was an anti-town role, he could be scum or SK. If he was SK, this was just bad play as he has now lost. Scum could be possible, but I''ve only seen one reversed miller. So it''s very unlikely.

ZazieR · Post Post #818 (isolation #163) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:08 am

Compulsive means you must shoot. According to him, the mod choose randomly as he missed his actions.

ZazieR · Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:17 pm

ZazieR wrote:Compulsive means you must shoot. According to him, the mod choose randomly as he missed his actions.

From a game I was in which had also a compulsive vig (Mafia 91):

ac1983fan, you are a
compulsive vigilante
aboard the
Purple Flower
, an Australian cruise ship traveling to various islands in the Pacific. You wanted to go on a dream vacation, but unfortunately some hijackers decided to make your dream a nightmare. One, you can tell that the ship has gone off course. Two, people are dying. Three, you don't think that throwing people overboard every day is going to eliminate the hijackers on its own. Four, you can't control your vengeful self.

Each night, you
MUST
select one person aboard the
Purple Flower
whom you would like to kill. Yes, even Night 0 (this is a night start). You are not allowed to kill yourself.
If you fail to give us a target, we will pick one for you at random.

You win when all threats to the
Purple Flower
have been eliminated from the game.

Please PM us back acknowledging that you understand and confirm your role. The thread is here.

See the underlined bit. So it explains why there were 3 deaths, while Mastin didn't choose a target if this was the case here as well.

ZazieR · Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:28 pm

ckool5000 wrote:
Crazy wrote:
Tajo wrote:@Crazy. I dont think ckool is scum. I might need to reread him but so far I get an overall disinteresed non pressured townie vibe. Post 800 is a good example of it. Besides him, who do you think is suspicious?
He's posting too much to be disinterested. Also, a town reaction would be to actually contribute, even if it was poor, instead of blaming his failure to make cases on his bad mafia skill. A townie generally doesn't want to look like a so-called "stupid townie," but a scum might.
Are you saying I'm not trying to contribute?!??!!?

Nice twisting of the words.

ZazieR · Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:29 pm

Happy scumday Kai, and thanks for the message

ZazieR · Post Post #827 (isolation #167) » Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:02 am

BC wrote:--I Think that i've heard, or read some where, that the Godfather, is the one that submits night kills, not sure if that's still the case with GodMothers.

I have never played with such godfather. Can you find the link?

ZazieR · Post Post #832 (isolation #168) » Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:40 am

ckool5000 wrote:
ZazieR wrote:
ckool5000 wrote:
Crazy wrote:
Tajo wrote:@Crazy. I dont think ckool is scum. I might need to reread him but so far I get an overall disinteresed non pressured townie vibe. Post 800 is a good example of it. Besides him, who do you think is suspicious?
He's posting too much to be disinterested.
Also, a town reaction would be to actually contribute, even if it was poor, instead of blaming his failure to make cases on his bad mafia skill
. A townie generally doesn't want to look like a so-called "stupid townie," but a scum might.
Are you saying I'm not trying to contribute?!??!!?
Nice twisting of the words.
Why thank y-... Wait.... What?

Note the bolded. He states there what he doesn''t like about your reaction. You then make it into a general argument with your question. Crazy''s statement was based upon one situation and your question makes it seem like he''s talking about your play through out the whole game. That''s twisting.

ZazieR · Post Post #848 (isolation #169) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 2:50 am

Haylen

Still this:

ZazieR wrote:I just find it weird that you did call out BC, who gave reasons, but not me, who hasn''t given them yet. And it seems your answer is that you forgot to include it, right?

But why are you voting BC, who has claimed a 1-shot investigation role?

ZazieR · Post Post #850 (isolation #170) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 2:53 am

populartajo wrote:
Im seriously considering asking for deadline extension with some many people at V/LA.

BM, please?

Mod

- This^^

ZazieR · Post Post #851 (isolation #171) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 2:54 am

BloodCovenent wrote:Why are you only attacking me for suggesting a Random Lunatic lynch?

Why are you asking this?

ZazieR · Post Post #857 (isolation #172) » Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:20 am

Leaning towards Ckool and Kai as well.
However, due to what has been revealed, I'm also thinking of looking at one more player.

ZazieR · Post Post #858 (isolation #173) » Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:23 am

However, mass claim time.
I'd like everybody to participate, even those who have partially claimed.
I prefer one of Ckool or Kai to go first. Afterwards the other, and then popcorn style. Does somebody disagree?

ZazieR · Post Post #861 (isolation #174) » Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:41 am

Yep, state whom and your reasons. I'm also curious why you decided not to shoot one of the confirmed townies.
Also, why do you want me to go after you when I have already soft-claimed?

ZazieR · Post Post #864 (isolation #175) » Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:33 am

I'm a Strong man. Built like a house to help. I stand in front of my targeted player his house, looking menacing, which is how I protect them.

Should I claim all my targets?

ZazieR · Post Post #865 (isolation #176) » Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:40 am

Kai wrote:N1: orto was my kill. I've yet to be in a game with him where he didn't find me scummy and gun for my lynch. I wanted to take him out before he had the chance, since this would be the first time he would actually be right.

I know how this is. He has attacked me in each game with him...

N2: I tried to kill Zazie, which failed. This is why I want you to go next Zazie. I want to know why you didn't die.

Sorry no idea if you are telling the truth. But if you are telling the truth, it does mean that the argument of both killing factions targeting BC N2 is invalid.

ZazieR · Post Post #866 (isolation #177) » Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:44 am

You also haven't stated why you targeted me, Kai.

ZazieR · Post Post #868 (isolation #178) » Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:22 am

Meaning that next is ckool.
Also, ckool. When you have claimed, name the player who needs to claim after you.

ZazieR · Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:15 pm

Kai

What is actually your role name?

ZazieR · Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:27 pm

Ckool

Who did you investigate which night and why?
Also, explain the bolded comment:

ckool5000 wrote:
randomlunatic wrote: @all, which NK do you think appeared to be more out of the blue? Maybe we can work out which was Mastin's randomised kill, and confirm his claim.

Let's not forget that this is a lover's game....

And a "Mean Mod" game....

ZazieR · Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:31 pm

Also,

Ckool

, is Cop your role name or not?

ZazieR · Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:16 am

BloodCovenent wrote:There are three cop/like cop roles.

Crazy, Ckool, and I. The likelihood of Ckool fake-claiming at the moment, I believe is high. notice that he gave his night investigations on two posts? I find that strikingly scummy. I think that lynching ckool would be the best lynch for the day, that or Zazie, since Zaz is not confirmed town. What if Haylen is a anti-death miller - reviver?

anyways, no one is really confirmed townie. I know that I'm town. I think it would be best to lynch Zazie, or ckool.

Zazie even said that his role fit the description of a mafia character.

Wasn't confirmed town before the mass claim either. Yet, you had me listed as green. What changed?
Also, the fact that you think it's best to lynch me based upon not being confirmed, while later stating that nobody is really confirmed needs some elaboration as well.

And the last sentence is wrong. As said before, my role name is normally a role name for a scum role.

ZazieR · Post Post #882 (isolation #183) » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:10 am

The thing is, do we believe Kai?
I wouldn't be too surprised to see that this is just a scum (mafia) gambit from Kai.

ZazieR · Post Post #884 (isolation #184) » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:35 am

Think about it. 6 players left. With very likely 3 scum, 2 mafia and 1 SK.
In other words, 3-2-1. Which is the safest claim to make? The SK. Because if we lynch the SK, it will very likely be game over for us.
So I'm not ruling it out that Kai could be scum fake-claiming SK.

ZazieR · Post Post #886 (isolation #185) » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:43 am

I'm assuming so, yes. This game is pretty powerrole heavy.
Why?

ZazieR · Post Post #888 (isolation #186) » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:47 am

No, I said that there are very likely 2 mafia and 1 SK are left.
So in total would that be 3 mafia and 1 SK.
Why?

ZazieR · Post Post #891 (isolation #187) » Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:04 am

Haylen wrote:I think that's a scumslip.

(slowly getting back into posting.)

Haylen, do you think we have a SK?

ZazieR · Post Post #896 (isolation #188) » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:02 am

Is your rolename now Cop or Naive Cop?
And I just noticed that you haven't claimed flavour. Can you do so?

ZazieR · Post Post #897 (isolation #189) » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:05 am

Please explain why you called BC scummy if you had an innocent on him D2.

ZazieR · Post Post #898 (isolation #190) » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:07 am

ckool5000 wrote:
BloodCovenent wrote:
ckool5000 wrote:I'm unsure about Mastin's claim... This is a Mean Mod game, after all, so there might be a vig-death-miller...

But I've figured out that when Mastin lies (see Crazy's post above), and while claiming something ridiculous, he's scum.

Vote: Mastin

Is that L-2?
If you're unsure about his claim, and aren't really sure what to believe about it, why vote him.

Piggybacking on Crazy's post? How do you know that when Mastin does a crazy post, and when he lies, that he is automatically scum? Doesn't he always claim something crazy in the RVS, and "lies" or "Jokes" about his non-existent scum team. So are you saying that he is always scum in those situations as well. What meta do YOU have? I understand Kai's vote, I understand Tajo's vote, I understand Crazy's vote (given his evidence to be true that is), but your's seems scummy as hell to me. You even mention that he is at L-2, when he's really at L-1. Good lord, just questioning about the need of votes is wrong. Also, this vote of yours was extremely opportunistic. I don't like this post of yours at all.

I can't tell you how I know, because then I'd be referencing to an ongoing game.

And are you saying that we're still in RVS in day 2?!!? That makes absolutely zero sense.

I'm thinking of voting for you, but all of your earlier posts have a town vibe to me... or something.

What meta do I have? Are you saying my history of votes and posts and etc? Why don't you look it up for yourself, maybe then you'll think twice about voting for me....

Seriously, this post of yours seems extremely scummy to me.

Said post^^

ZazieR · Post Post #902 (isolation #191) » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:29 am

Explain the quoted post in my previous post.

ZazieR · Post Post #915 (isolation #192) » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:32 pm

@Ckool

Ckool wrote:I investigated BloodCovenenant, because he seemed somewhat scummy to me, but I wasn't quite sure.

ckool5000 wrote:
BloodCovenent wrote:
ckool5000 wrote:I'm unsure about Mastin's claim... This is a Mean Mod game, after all, so there might be a vig-death-miller...

But I've figured out that when Mastin lies (see Crazy's post above), and while claiming something ridiculous, he's scum.

Vote: Mastin

Is that L-2?
If you're unsure about his claim, and aren't really sure what to believe about it, why vote him.

Piggybacking on Crazy's post? How do you know that when Mastin does a crazy post, and when he lies, that he is automatically scum? Doesn't he always claim something crazy in the RVS, and "lies" or "Jokes" about his non-existent scum team. So are you saying that he is always scum in those situations as well. What meta do YOU have? I understand Kai's vote, I understand Tajo's vote, I understand Crazy's vote (given his evidence to be true that is), but your's seems scummy as hell to me. You even mention that he is at L-2, when he's really at L-1. Good lord, just questioning about the need of votes is wrong. Also, this vote of yours was extremely opportunistic. I don't like this post of yours at all.

I can't tell you how I know, because then I'd be referencing to an ongoing game.

And are you saying that we're still in RVS in day 2?!!? That makes absolutely zero sense.

I'm thinking of voting for you, but all of your earlier posts have a town vibe to me... or something.

What meta do I have? Are you saying my history of votes and posts and etc? Why don't you look it up for yourself, maybe then you'll think twice about voting for me....

Seriously, this post of yours seems extremely scummy to me.

Explain the first quote and the bolded of the second quote.

ZazieR · Post Post #916 (isolation #193) » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:40 pm

Another thing that bugs me about Ckool's claim, is his role name: 'The Cop'.
This makes it more likely that it's a lie.

ZazieR · Post Post #917 (isolation #194) » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:47 pm

Ckool

Link to where this breadcrumb was stated.
Also, why did you check the wiki about your role?

ZazieR · Post Post #918 (isolation #195) » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:00 pm

Ckool wrote:He seemed scummy to me, and I could've been an insane or naive cop (and guess what? I was.), so that's why I called him scummy.

So the reason you 'breadcrumbed' is?

Weird. Scum has done this to me in previous games.... Ask me a stupid question and twist around my answer.....

And elaborate on the above as I don't know what you are saying.

ZazieR · Post Post #919 (isolation #196) » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:04 pm

Ckool

, answer this:

Kai wrote:Also, why did you treat me as near-confirmed town (I was your "only read" yesterday, and it was town) but you went after BC no problem when he was attacked. Easy targets much? You're mafia.

ZazieR · Post Post #920 (isolation #197) » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:13 pm

Kai wrote:Of course, like Zazie said, I might be mafia fakeclaiming SK, but then the problem lies in the fact that there is still another killing faction out there causing problems for you.
One that will be left at the same strength it is now if you lynch me, while if I am left alive, it can be taken out with a well placed bullet from my gun
.

Explain the bolded. I think we all have been talking about 3 mafia. So if you are mafia, and you get lynched, isn't there a buddy who can kill him?

ZazieR · Post Post #932 (isolation #198) » Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:12 pm

Kai wrote:It's the same sort of reason that the Mafia would be stupid to shoot at me tonight assuming I'm telling the truth (neglecting the fact that the shot wouldn't kill me anyway). If I'm still alive in endgame then the Mafia benefit from the fact that the town cannot win any more, and that the town already has a claimed anti-town role sitting there staring them in the face, and making them choose between me and the remaining Mafiate.

That is, if you are telling the truth about being NK-immune. Which is something I don't believe. The way you've played in this game doesn't make sense if this is true.

ZazieR · Post Post #933 (isolation #199) » Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:25 pm

Haylen wrote:I think he is more likely to be scum than BC right now, in fact, I think he's scum with BC.

Agreed on this. The only other exception I could have seen is Ckool and Kai if Ckool is scum. But it seems that Kai is indeed the SK.

He made a very shakey claim as an insane cop. For a start, he wouldn't be called a 'naive cop', i've never seen that term be used in any mafia game that i've read.

True as well. Insanities are most of the time not given.
However, he has stated that there was no insanity given.

Also, about his claim, 'you're a cop but you're not very good', that sounds like something he's dragged out of thin air considering the paraphrasing of my role PM and everybody elses. In fact, Kai, can you paraphrase your role PM to make my point clear here.

I'd prefer it if Syke could give a paraphrasing first as Syke's the only player who hasn't claimed yet. Afterwards, Kai can give his.