Ortohoops wrote:PTA (504) wrote:I can see some of what orto is saying in terms of them agreeing with each other but the idea J-scope is prompting Nyball to post is a bit far-fetched. Deep South Format allows scum to day talk so if j-scope wanted to prompt his buddy to post he'd pm them or use a quick topic outside the game. He wouldn't prompt them in the game thread.
Well they might be asking them to post in order that we draw precisely the conclusion you have "they would have just asked them in their quicktopic". Do you not find the sheer number of instances of adjacent posts between the two out of the ordinary?
PTA (504) wrote:Trying to connect players is a strategy that can find scum but it works best when you already know one players alignment. I don't think what SWSWC said about nyball or j-scope was telling. And at the moment we don't know either nyball or j-scope alignment so I don't think there is much to be gleaned. Orto trying to connect them before one flips makes me wonder if Orto already knows one of their alignments and or sees nyballs lynch inevitable.
That's a big stretch. If you didn't notice I am advocating looking for scum-pairings. If we scumhunt individually it makes it way easier for the two scum to build a case against a townie with "behavioural tells" which then gets populous support. If someone has no viable buddies then I'm willing to conclude they're not scum, and anyone arguing otherwise is probably scum themselves.
Clearly according to you (PTA) we haven't mentioned nyb much. That is a point I can't refute. All I know is I'm town and am looking for scum. If I see something as pointing to two people being more likely scum, even if ironically I've apparently committed the same thing myself; I'm still going to point it out. Do you have an actual problem with the methodology/rationale being used- if we interacted with nyb in the same way as J-Scope, does that make us both equally likely to be scum; or is it just a null-tell in both cases? Please clarify your opinion..
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I find PTA's eagerness to lynch nyb unsettling. They've been harking on about our links to SWSC all game, trying to ensure we're constantly on the back foot but they've never taken it very far beyond voting or stating their readiness to vote us. They've never actually tried to drum up popular support to lynch us, and even now apparently don't suspect us enough to neglect to lynch nyb. I'm concerned PTA has been using us all game as a way of avoiding doing real scum-hunting or committing scum-slips. Nothing else could explain the number of attack posts they've made against us while doing little towards getting us lynched. Also I'm unsettled by J-Scope agreeing with me on nyb (on one point at least):
I was trying to make a few points there.
1. That multiple people had been ignoring nyball through the game. And if you viewed one insistance of ignoring as a town tell or a scum tell the other insistances with other players should be viewed the same.
2. In ignoring them, you have not really stated you thought they were scum or town. All you were really stating was there was some connection between j-scope and nyb. What leads you to believe they are scum, just that they are conected? Have you noticed any individual scummy actions involved with the conection or the players themselves?
There is a difference between saying there is a conection and saying X is scum because of this conection. You didn't seem to really identify them as being scum or being conected to dead scum. I did not think some of your remarks were a valid conection and I did not see how only that conection portrayed them as scum together.
Also I believe I have voted you before in the past and or tried to get others to vote you too with me. Hell spent most of phase 1 doing that. Most other players hadn't really noticed our(Pta's) efforts there so I have continued to consider you as a suspect while looking at the points made by others since there is more than scum about
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Ortohoops wrote:PTA (504) wrote:What exactly is the logic behind the no lynch at this stage again?
Can we even no lynch with Adel's new rules?
We got 7 alive so is its not exactly mylo or am i miscounting/forgetting something. I am ready to lynch nyball today.
scum day-kill = 6 alive, lynch = 5 alive, scum day-kill tomorrow = 4 alive = end-game. Frankly I'm skeptical of anyone claiming not to be aware of this.
Yay I'm not sure what I was thinking. Looked at my notes for part of that and I must have been more sleepy and or out of it than I realized. For some reason I thought Adel's rules went and lynched the top ranked player and since no lynch isn't technically a player, I for some reason thought that it couldn't be done unless no body had made any votes and i was worried scum would want to sneak in a last second vote there or something and that by lyncing someone entire town thought was scummy was better than risking it. Yay I don't know how I got that idea. I was sleepy but I didn't think I was drunk. We can just vote no lynch and have that be the biggest wagon if that's what we want.
Part of me also wanted to see who was considering the idea and why. Seeing people's additudes there would be a good way to improve my reads on players. And what you said actually makes some sence. I may need to go back and think over my read of you. I can still see some conection between you and SWSWC but this sounds like some actual pro-town logic so I can't understand why you'd bring it up as scum that well.
Tell me what happens if no one dies today via the scum kill? Does that mean anything?
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@Zaphod,
you openly came out saying you didn't want a no lynch earlier while I questioned why and considered an alternative
PoketheAlpaca wrote:Also I am not sure I follow why some people are considering no lynching today. Not really sure how its going to benefit us. Unless I figure that out or get an explaination on it I think I'm up for voting/lynching ortohoops or Nyball.
Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:I'm also against a no-lynch.
Since you really weren't agreeing with a directly stated reason against it there I got to ask why you are against it and what points are you trying to make in terms of believing scum aren't trying to make a kill? Is scum not paying attention your only remarks?
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nyballosulgniirkps wrote:PokeTheAlpaca wrote:Then why did you even bring up those vibes or other things? You brought them up and then said they carried 'less' weight. By saying less weight you undermine your argument. I think that if you genuinely had other reasons at all you would have expressed them as 'some' weight. That way you would actually be giving a better case and or hunting with better reasoning.
I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make. The only point that I said carried 'less weight' was in reference to ZMD's detachment from the game. By 'less weight' I am (poorly) trying to say that I think it carries less weight
in this game
because of the post-limiting mechanic resulting in the monstrously sized posts. It should be obvious that 'less weight' does not mean 'no weight', so again, I'm not really sure what you're trying to say, here.
The 'less guilty' comment is a completely different thing, and that is my comparison between Raging Wishbone and ZMD's attacks on Frog Dodging. I thought Raging Wishbone was scummier because of it because he was the one who went and found their post of imminent death and selectively quoted it, whereas ZMD claimed to have based his opinion on the selective quoting.
hmm... its seems we have a miscomunication. I thought of what you were saying as one full line of a case where you mentioned an element being weak. You were more so comparing one element with another while presenting them. Still I am not sure how comparing parts of a case like that is suppose to accuratly get your points across so that you and others can find and wagon scum.
nyballosulgniirkps wrote:PokeTheAlpaca wrote:In this paragraph you mention the main reason roflcopter was attacked by Zaphod, rofl's lurkage/detachment from the game. Gut is the only reason you mention as your own. How long did it take you to right this paragraph? Not long huh? So i don't see why you couldn't have given something short and to this equivalence back then.
I certainly could have, had I spent the time thinking about what it was I did not like at the time of posting that. But I didn't, and acknowledge that it is anti-town.
Then i'm keeping it in mind
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PokeTheAlpaca wrote:Not going deeply into your reasoning on trotsky makes me think you were trying to sneak in a vote in order to get any lynch and not the lynch you seemed to be wanting, especially since you didn't seem to realize the wagons were at the same size.
I can't really argue this beyond citing my low level of devotion to this game, and more recently, Mafia in general.
How many games are you in right now site wide? What modding responsibilities, if any, do you have right now?
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ortolan wrote:This is exactly the sort of thing I was talking about. Do you see a link between us and Zaphod? What is it? This making lists and not really considering buddying etc. is scummy.
I also feel a lot better about lynching you after your announced top two suspects- me and Zaphod. Zaphod I've felt was town as long as I can remember, and I know I'm town.
Also Frog wants to lynch you and I'm almost positive they're town.
I still think J-Scope - nyb is the scumpair.
Wait.. so one point you have is that you think you are town and him going after you makes him scum? Dude that is pretty much what omgus means without the actually voting of each other. Also you want to vote them just cause FD does, So you are agreeing with them only because you think they are town? You don't have another reason, one of your own?
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