MtG: Parallel Universe Mafia (fl's subgame): Game Over
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I think it would be a sub0optimal lynch. He's straight up told us exactly what he wants. I don't think one action could loose the game for town, from a modifom point of view, so lets just do it.
Also, as I think SpyreX eluded to, we should probably move fast as to not get outpaced by the other games and stuck with all the players we don't want.
I was just being silly about your 'WFT' Taj.
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Tajo; I think I'm missing it. Why would having the transporter in SSK's game be cool?
Zito; it seems to me that a neutral faction would not be a threat to the town necessarily. And certainly it would be less of a threat than actual anti-town interests. I stand by my original idea that a DDD lynch is somewhat wasted. I agree with Jammer on this point, apparently.
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I'm glad you asked!
First of all; there is plenty to discuss. What do you think of DDD? Do you think he's lying, or do you think he's telling the truth? And, either way, what do you think should be done with him?
After that, why haven't you commented on the situation already? Out of all the things that are going on in the game, you focus on the only part that refers to you, personally.
Finally, to answer your question; the reason I'd shoot you is because you are posting in the game but not contributing the the discussion one way or the other. You are probably feeling pressure to make yourself appear present, but don't want to commit to having an actual opinion. In other words; not scummy enough to lynch yet, because you haven't given enough input to be judged by, but an ideal vig candidate for the same reasons.
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It does say that win/loose in other games doesn't affect us so what exactly are you worried about?Zito wrote: Plus you're taking a leap of faith that nothing bad will happen when we bring these two together.
Are you trying to call me out on something here? If so, you need to shed a little more light on your accusation because I don't get it as it sits.Mufasa wrote: and is there any part of your previous post that you want to keep true to
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At this time I am firmly in the camp of those who will not read the other games until it becomes relevant. It is only one big game if X, Y, or Z is true, none of which are apparent to me at this moment.
My psudo-sig is in no way related to my role. I am not being forced to include who'd I'd shoot if I were a vig. It's my personal choice, 100%.
I agree with most of what Yosarian said in 106, with the exception that he seems to be giving a free pass from lynch consideration, based on the claim, to DDD. I'm not pro-that at all. If DDD is scummy, I'll lynch him independent of his claim, and I expect him to play with that in mind.
Mufasa may have had a scum slip in 92, planing to eliminate a playerat night.
Vote Flava Flavefor his post last page. I feel your vote needs further explanation in light of the win condition. Furthermore; not caught up in a 4 page game feels like a big stretch.
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DDD: I like the cut of your jib; "I'm claiming day one so I don't have to play." It's what I would have done.
SpyreX: I'm not sure I want to lynch SP just yet, but color me intrigued.
Yos: I'm torn on your paranoia here. I understand where you are coming from, but I think you are over reacting . I guess it makes sense if you look at UNBREAKABLE as a literal term (Which I assumed it was not).
SocioPath: I'm going to leave my "sig" off of this post, just for you.
There are a couple of boats to jump on to at this point, but, hey; SpyreX, Zito, Yos, and, hell, Mufasa, what do you think of Flava Flave?-
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That might be true, I guess. I really don't see how I could know either way. My issue is that ther's absolutely no reason to bring that up, even if he does somehow know. Should I just ignore it? I mean, whats the point of saying it if he doesn't expect it to be analyzed?Yosarian2 wrote:
Eh...I'm not sure if it's really a good idea to try and clarify that just yet.Porkens wrote:For me, when someone says, day one, unprovoked "I KNOW he's X," it raises a flag. I didn't ask how he knew, I'm clarifying that it isn't an opinion, but confirmed knowledge.-
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It doesn't?! Can we confirm this?Mufasa wrote:
Forgot what thread I was in hahaPapa Zito wrote:Mufasa just posted in SSK's game.
I've got to think of a title for him when this is done.
@Porkens & Tajo = You boys need to join THE ALLIANCE like woah.
at least it doesnt say in the rulez that you cant post in other subgames
Checking now. I'm going to say no at the moment though. So if you aren't in this subgame, please don't post in it-
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I'd lynch Budja.SocioPath wrote:
You keep talking about your own win condition, and saying that mine is different from yours. I am willing to believe that, because you speak with such certainty, but to imply that your win condition is a town based one and thereby saying mine is not because of how it differs from yours, is a stretch.SpyreX wrote: At least you are willing to affirm over and over again that your win condition sure isn't the same as mine.
I would reeeeeeeally like to see what you would do if you were to switch games. Your whole world would turn upside down. You would be lynched in a second, and then lose your game, because everyone in other games should act like you too, right? You die, they fulfill their win conditions...and so forth. Really, it seems like you are only pushing debates for your own selfish reasons...when you don't actually know how the win conditions are played out.
Those selfish reasons might be SK in nature. Maybe you think that if I am scum...that lynching me will put you in the clear. It wouldn't surprise me at all if you turned up being another elder dragon.
But thats not important right now, because I still find Yos and you to be rather nice-nice to each other in a warped way.
But say what you're implying is correct, about the win con, and that would imply that all town in other games should be treated as scum if they were to show up. They're certainly not of your faction. They are of their own subgames faction. So townies from other games need to die too?
Then that would mean...scum or not, everyone switched needs to die. The whole debate about 'switch scum out and in games to help/hurt the games' would be void. There could be multiple scum groups apart from SKs only. So really...every single person that is switch, would be assumed to be 'scum' to this games win conditions.
That is certainly a xenophobic way to look at things.
That would also mean that everyone by default should support a Budja vote, for he is not one of us.
"ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US!"
I don't wish to resort to that yet.
Unvotefor now though, until I see some fanciful Spy-posts in response to these win conditions.
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Good. The only bad part is that we still need 6 for a lynch. Before I did the math, I was hoping that his modkill put us at 5 to lynch.
I do actually think that Sociopath's rant about the unspeakable was too convoluted not to be rooted in a genuine beliefe. Thus;
vote: Flava flave
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Where's my wrath SpyreX?
I agree with your assessment of Budja, Zaz, and Mufasa. But for me, JAmmer is just townish by comparison. And I really don't agree at all about Quag.
Quag: Can you explain your day one declaration now?
To whoever asked: The Jammer vig is mostly gut at this point.
unvote, Vote: Budja
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about 72 hours later...ZazieR wrote:Sorry, didn't post for two/three days at MS >.<
Will get at least a bit of analysis done tomorrow as I need to get caught up in my other games as well.
Failing to deliver a promised re-read.ZazieR wrote:Prodded. Meh, have to catch up in 2/3 more games. So I'll most likely post an analysis of the first ten pages tomorrow.
Works. Unreplaced
Policy lynch, now.
unvote, Vote Zazier
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Porkens wrote:
about 72 hours later...ZazieR wrote:Sorry, didn't post for two/three days at MS >.<
Will get at least a bit of analysis done tomorrow as I need to get caught up in my other games as well.
Failing to deliver a promised re-read.ZazieR wrote:Prodded. Meh, have to catch up in 2/3 more games. So I'll most likely post an analysis of the first ten pages tomorrow.
Works. Unreplaced
Policy lynch, now.
unvote, Vote Zazier
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you're...Budja wrote:
I doubt the swap harmed this game. We didn't lose anyone pro-town.Spyrex wrote:Gut says scum, but if the goal is to win by filling a game and they're taking scum OUT of this game well gg us?
Through elimination, he is the scummiest anyway.Sociopath wrote: At this point Quag is the best bet from my perspective.notgoing to vote for the scummiest person?-
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So you just guessed he was a PR? You knew he could target but you didn't know who he targeted?Sajin wrote:Kairyuu all I wanted to know was if you targeted me or not. But if I asked that you would just say no as mafia, so I insinuated that I knew you targeted me to try and catch you as trying to explain it off. You were not acting your normal townie self and you know it. But I think your town, now.
So spyrex- yes I lied in one of my above statements (me knowing kairyuu targeted me). Baring that there is no contradiction. Also I know I was the target of the nightkill last night. Playing my information to the best of my ability spyrex.-
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Kairyuu wrote:
My interpretation is that he thought he had a meta read on me, and since he thought I was scum, he thought I targetted him with the scum NK. He essentially outted a power role over a meta read and a stupid assumption.Porkens wrote:
So you just guessed he was a PR? You knew he could target but you didn't know who he targeted?Sajin wrote:Kairyuu all I wanted to know was if you targeted me or not. But if I asked that you would just say no as mafia, so I insinuated that I knew you targeted me to try and catch you as trying to explain it off. You were not acting your normal townie self and you know it. But I think your town, now.
So spyrex- yes I lied in one of my above statements (me knowing kairyuu targeted me). Baring that there is no contradiction. Also I know I was the target of the nightkill last night. Playing my information to the best of my ability spyrex.
@Sajin: Meta reads are shit reasons for making alignment assumptions. I've yet to have the same role twice in games I've played with you, and you've never seen my scum play, so your meta on me is woefully incomplete. Try to think a bit more before making rash assumptions next time.
On the other hand, you're almost definitely not Mafia after this stunt. Could be third party, but I doubt you would throw yourself out there like that as anything but town.
why are you answering questions for him?
why are you having a gigantic tea party together?
why are you declairing, in front of god and everybody "JOO BE SO TOWN FOR THIS SHIT EVEN THOUGH YOU OUTED ME AS A POWER ROLL!"
why don't you just wear shirts that say "I'm with the scum"?
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both are really, REALLY sweet reasons why the mafia wont nightkill you tonight. Of course you could have kept that part to yourself and hopefully killed a scum...
You wouldn't live very long after my flip if you shot me, and Sajin is pretty much confirmed kill immune, so I guess it's a good thing you're not a vig.-
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And yes I had no idea. I pressured Kairyuu because I found him scummy.
hooow do you reconcile these two statements? You were pulling stuff out of your ass, basically, and get on my case when I question it?And porkens- I had reason behind why I asked what I asked. You are just blatantly role-fishing at this point.
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