MtG: Parallel Universe Mafia (fl's subgame): Game Over

[Budja]

Seems I just got shifted into this game.

It had absolutely nothing to do with me if anyone is asking.
No time to read/post for about 24hrs.

(@mod very LA until Saturday AEST).

Noted.

[Budja]

Ok, I'm back.

The Allience:
SpyreX is not scum for suggesting it. It looks far too open and attention-grabbing to be scummy.

SocioPath, looks more VI than scummy to me.
@Quag point, his behaviour looks pretty consitant and chaotic in isolation.

Flava is very inactive and his analysis upon been pressured lacks substance. scummy.

Dislike recent quagmire wagon. No good points whatsoever. Dislike Mufasa for following here.

vote Mufasa

, for that and been a massive active lurker.

[Budja]

Why do you see benmage apart from DDD?

Don't you mean "did". Are you reading here?

[Budja]

@Flava, care to actually explain. Why am I scummy?

[Budja]

I want to hear more from Budja.

Such as what?

Everything he has posted has been a train wreck of words, and him coasting along is unappealing.

A little hypocritical but I am inclined to agree. Mufasa has felt very little pressure considering his complete lack of content.

I am willing to lynch one of Mufasa or Flava at this point, preferably Mufasa.

[Budja]

@flava, still waiting on you. Whats your "case".

@tajo, zazie, what's do you think of the wagons?
@quag, You say SocioPath is the lynch, why aren't you voting?

I mean; I'd love to still go for this, but his convoluted defense smacked of genuine confusion rather than masterful gambit.

I agree here.

[Budja]

unvote, vote Flava Flave

Oh hey, that's a lynch

[Budja]

^Quite right. Our focus should really be on the game we are actually in.

[Budja]

Note: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 55#1832655

Noted

[Budja]

(back)

@Spyrex, Porkens, my contribution isn't really so bad considering my V/La and my (comparatively) recent arrival here.

Porkens is pushing

very

hard but in a pretty pro-town way.

Re. Zaz's almost lynch, I also found Mufasa's jump onto it scummy.

Zaz, Mufasa would have to be seen by all as scummy or anti-town.
So swapping them to Tar's game would most be a scum/anti-town action.
This makes me more confident of Kairyuu/Sajin's alignments.
(Not solid logic as this is a Tar game and could have multiple scum teams/ more third party roles)

[Budja]

Gut says scum, but if the goal is to win by filling a game and they're taking scum OUT of this game well gg us?

I doubt the swap harmed this game. We didn't lose anyone pro-town.

At this point Quag is the best bet from my perspective.

Through elimination, he is the scummiest anyway.

[Budja]

I'd like to see Quag arguement for Mufasa's towniness now he has left.

Zaz is a.) probably scum

A lurker- yes, obv-scum- no.
It looks that zazier has a reasonable chance of being lynched in Tar's subgame.
We could slow down a bit and see what happens there..
If she is scum, I would agree that Quag does have a decent chance of also being scum.

[Budja]

We could slow down a bit and see what happens there..

I fail to see what advantage we would get for a quicklynch/wagon now.

[Budja]

Wagons can be a nice way to catch some scum.

Yes, they can. But zazier is looking bad in the other game and is approaching a lynch. If they do lynch her and he flips scum, Quagmire is a better wagon. Right now, I don't see he is scummy beyond general elimination so I am less keen.

Budja, what do you think about every player in here?

Sociopath looks town, his posting is improving too and I liked his view on Mufasa.

Porkens looks town, very brash while I feel scum would be more subtle.

You and Spyrex feel townish to me. Nothing really to back it up but you are scum-hunting and not looking scummy to me.

Quagmire hasn't posted much in a while and is null.

The newcomers are content-wise null, but the point I made above increases their chance of being town.

So yes, the scummy/lurking players have left and I have no real suspects ATM.

[Budja]

are you seriously saying that Quag isn't lurking?

I didn't say that. I would call him borderline. He's been posting little, but it isn't fluff.

I'm not opposed to the lynch, but I think we could have a) Quag explaining his position on Mufasa, b) the views of the swapped and maybe even c) a Zazier flip if Tar's game lynched him soon.

[Budja]

What would the Zaz flip tell you about Quag?

Scum Zazier would increase Quag's likelyhood of being scum IMO as he didn't join the wagon.

The first two points I made are more important. If Zaz isn't lynched quickly over there, I wouldn't bother waiting.

[Budja]

And if they are scum together a whole mess of whats going on is explained.

Such as? I see the recent links but what else?

I'd like to see a claim, but.

Well he's got a day or two before I will hammer.

[Budja]

I believe that the original scum, or all least one of, is still in the game.
I find it hard to believe that the SK was the only real scum, (Flava being a neutral albeit an pretty anti-town one).

Of the arrivals, I would see Kaiyruu as the most likely scum. Sajin's claim sounds believable to me and I see him as town/neutral.

[Budja]

Results Quag?

[Budja]

Tar generally gives all scum/neutrals fakeclaims. I would be surprised if that were different in this game.

Now I am really going to have to think before voting as I don't really see anyone as scummy. I am hoping Quag has a good result for now.

EDIT:
Ok, that is odd. I still wouldn't put it past scum to target Kai despite the WIFOM he was throwing out.

[Budja]

[quote=Sajin]Perhaps the fake claims were only there for the hitman? [/quote]
I was responding to this not Spyrex's massclaim idea.
I am not against a massclaim at this point.

[Budja]

There cannot be more than 1 or 2 scum left here.

Well, with any luck Mufasa will be lynched in Tar's game and that will help us determine this.

I move that we hear from quag before we decide.

Thats sounds good, if we can get a guilty without needing to claim, that would be the best option.

vote: Quagmire

Why the vote on Quag?

[Budja]

Ah jeez.

I don't really want to do this but I think my true claim gives me a slightly greater chance of survival here.
I wasn't keen on a massclaim as I am venser, shaper savant, a neutral planeswalker survivor. I suspect Sajin is also neutral given his role.

I had nothing to do with any game-changes. I gave Yos the ability to planeswalk (I'm been vague here as I'm not sure how explicit I can be and I don't want to be modkilled) at the start of the game (chose from all players at random) but he obv. didn't use it.

If I get to all 3 planes or if I survive to endgame I win (my win condition affects no-one else).

Please don't lynch me, I am been 100% honest here and with the likely very few scum left, I am not particularly anti-town.

Sociopath or Spyrex are probably scum. The other roles make sense to me.
I'd be happy to lynch either today.

[Budja]

Exactly this^.

@Spyrex, you have little to gain from lynching me, I am not the one killing and I am not as blatently anti-town as Flava. I think town is likely to win at this stage.
Porkens, Sajin are 99% town.
I believe Quag so our best bet is a Spyrex or Sociopath lynch. I would slightly prefer Spyrex at this point.

[Budja]

I believe your role 99%. It makes reasonable sense to me as does Porkens. You may or may not be town, but you are unlikely to be scum IMO.

I suspected you as neutral as you were a planeswalker, despite the fact you claimed to have a different name.
My rolename does have planeswalker in it so I made a guess that you might be lying or something there.

I cannot travel myself. I gave Yos a chance to travel. He quite obviously didn't use it.I have no other ability.
I have no idea how I got here. It had nothing to do with me despite my name.

If Porkens is to believed, no one even attempted on Quag.

well that settle it for me.

vote Spyrex

, I suspect Kaiyruu was actually the mafia kill then,

[Budja]

I have no reason to side against town.
Mafia look weaker at this point.

I could always have used my fakeclaim, I trueclaimed as a sign of good faith.
Obviously I would support any lynch over my own, my win condition enforces that but that doesn't mean I am trying to screw up the town, I honestly think Spryrex has the greatest chance of being scum (probably the last) at this point.

[Budja]

Ith, High Arcanist

[Budja]

I am not in a faction. I am a survivor.

[Budja]

You misunderstand me. I gave it to Yos

pregame

.
I had to target a player from another subgame and I chose Yos at random.

[Budja]

I still expect a scum-flip from Mufasa.

@Sociopath,

Sajin has a decent claim and his action with Kaiyruu, while is turned out poorly, appeared reasonably town motivated.
Quag could be possibly a scum cop of sorts but this seems less likely as a role here than a ordinary cop.
Porkens has been aggressive and protown and has a good claim and so looks town.

That leaves you and Spyrex.
I see Spyrex as more likely scum. It would a decent explanation of the "lack" of a scum kill last night.

That's my explanation behind my vote.