Perfectionist Mafia - Resultas

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Alright! All caught up!

I think Mufasa is rather scummy for #23. I couldn't tell what he was trying to do... he basically jokingly hinted that the BC wagon should continue, then basically repeats Snow White's #18 posed to BC.

Snow White's vote on Lowell in #25 is quite townie, in my opinion. The ensuing banter between SW and saberwolf on p.3 sounds to me like townies turning on each other.

Sanjay's #65 is odd, and I don't like it.

FoS: Sanjay

I think the game had progressed far past the RVS by the time he posted that, and it was a blatant attempt to add nothing to the game. Apparently, dramonic agreed with my assessment in his post #82. When Sanjay does receive a vote and finally gets pressured, he decides to come to BC's party a little late and vote him.

Suave's #104 is scummy as all get out, but I still don't like the Sanjay vibe a lot more than I dislike Suave using RVS-logic to explain a vote on Sanjay when we have obviously moved past the RVS. I also don't like his #110, where he says there's nothing to gather from the first few pages. If there's nothing to gather, or analyze, explain how I got my above paragraphs? And let's not even mention Suave's #129 where he openly admits to voting SW for regurgitated reasoning... right after he had just said he didn't see anything from what had happened so far literally 19 posts before.

Note: something about BC calling himself neutral after voting himself from the start just screams scum playing mind games.

Double note: Wicked and DeathNote apparently doesn't understand that unvotes don't mean anything.

I honestly can't believe the SW/saberwolf argument is still going on... dramonic hit the nail on the head with his post #150. Both SW and saber need to scumhunt instead of screaming bloody murder at each other for no apparent reason.

Sanjay's #175: is he defending BC? Why? Sanjay, do you find BC townish?

The game hit a pretty huge stall-out after this... odd. A ton of information to gain in the first few pages, and now none.

Read list coming soon.

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Scummy

Mufasa
Sanjay
BloodCovenent
Lowell
MrSuave

Neutral

SolemnJ
nook
DeathNote
Santos
EtherealCookie
Deuxieme Octopus

Townie

saberwolf
AlmightyBob
Wickedestjr
dramonic
My Milked Eek
Snow White

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Welcome Reckoner.
Long time no see.

Hellloooo, MME. You're one of my favorite people to play Mafia with, btw.

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@MME: Very true, but I get town vibes from SW. I can't really explain a "gut" feeling like that. Well, that's false, I can if I iso the posts and go through them one by one. But I'm drunk and totally not doing that right now. Glad you agree about Sanjay.

Also,

Vote: Mufasa

for 267.

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Hello xRECKONERx!!! Nice to play with you again.

I think Mufasa is rather scummy for #23. I couldn't tell what he was trying to do... he basically jokingly hinted that the BC wagon should continue, then basically repeats Snow White's #18 posed to BC.

I questioned BC about it too. What do you think of me?

Was this directed at me? You quoted BC... but in any case... I've got a pretty solid town read on you. You seem to be doing actual scumhunting, which can be a difficult thing to do this early in the game.

Sanjay's #65 is odd, and I don't like it. FoS: Sanjay
I think the game had progressed far past the RVS by the time he posted that, and it was a blatant attempt to add nothing to the game. Apparently, dramonic agreed with my assessment in his post #82. When Sanjay does receive a vote and finally gets pressured, he decides to come to BC's party a little late and vote him.

First of all, what makes you think Dramonic was voting Sanjay because of that? Sanjay had given other helpful posts prior to the vote. Also, what makes you think Sanjay voted BC because of that, because it was like ten posts after Dramonic voted? I do agree that Sanjay was kind of late to join the bandwagon though.

As I said, Dram's post 82 is what made me think he agreed with Sanjay's scumminess. I think he voted him because of that because he had to put his vote somewhere, so he chose the easy wagon.

Suave's #104 is scummy as all get out, but I still don't like the Sanjay vibe a lot more than I dislike Suave using RVS-logic to explain a vote on Sanjay when we have obviously moved past the RVS. I also don't like his #110, where he says there's nothing to gather from the first few pages. If there's nothing to gather, or analyze, explain how I got my above paragraphs? And let's not even mention Suave's #129 where he openly admits to voting SW for regurgitated reasoning... right after he had just said he didn't see anything from what had happened so far literally 19 posts before.

I agree with you that MrSuave is probably scum, but I don't like the points you provide against him. Especially the last one.

How is my last point not valid?

Note: something about BC calling himself neutral after voting himself from the start just screams scum playing mind games.

Where'd BC call himself neutral?

I'll find the post later, but I saw it in my re-read.

I honestly can't believe the SW/saberwolf argument is still going on... dramonic hit the nail on the head with his post #150. Both SW and saber need to scumhunt instead of screaming bloody murder at each other for no apparent reason.

The screaming bloody murder at each other pretty much started the discussion imo.

I'm not saying it didn't, I'm saying the continuation of it makes it easy for scum to split the town into two different wagons, and doesn't fuel much discussion elsewhere.

Sanjay's #175: is he defending BC? Why? Sanjay, do you find BC townish?

I dislike this point.

Why?

xRECKONERx - Scum - Didn't like his catch-up post. Many of the points in it were bad.

I don't get it... you agreed with me that Sanjay was late to the BC wagon, you agreed that MrSuave was "probably scum" but didn't like my reasoning (for reasons unstated), and you disliked my point about Sanjay "defending" BC... but didn't say why. That's enough to give you a scum read on me?

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Why do you feel asking for someone's justification for a vote constitutes defending? Is there a reason you didn't bring up post 96 as well?

I don't think they're in the same category. To me, 175 looks like you questioning Mufasa keeping his vote on BC because you're uncomfortable with it being there. 96 is more you prodding at saber's argument because his reasoning in the previous post was a little murky, which I agreed with. I didn't really think Mufasa's vote on BC needed to be explained because I also found BC sorta scummy, I guess.

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I assumed he saw what I saw.

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Whats wrong with being more talkative saberwolf it makes it so you dont have an easy reason to lynch me, but in all seriousness if BloodCovenant doesn't post today I am voting for Snow White

This is the post in question, right?

I actually can see why you'd question it now. I guess when I was re-reading, I looked at things on the whole from my perspective and didn't really get the feeling of where the game was at that very moment (if that makes sense). I

agree

that BC is scummy, but I don't agree with Mufasa's lack of reasoning.

I guess when I saw the post, I saw it as scumbuddy defending suspicious scum.

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I don't know... it did seem rather opportunistic. Did he ever clarify his reasons for suspecting BC? If he did, I don't recall. I know why

I

would have voted BC (though there are a few others I'd rather vote for now), but I don't want to speak for everyone.

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Starbuck! <3

This does feel like Save the Mafia all over again! Enjoy your re-read, SB.

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HOLY EPIC POST, BATMAN!

I skimmed what you said... and honestly, I don't like Wicked's "Snow White is using bad logic" line, just like I didn't like his calling me scum or saying I'm "making bad points" without really backing it up with much. I don't know if it's enough to call it a scumtell, though.

I know who I suspect, but some of the people who I suspect are suspecting each other, creating one giant clusterfucky confusion train. I will try to sort this out tonight, but my internet has been phasing in and out all day, so I don't know how long it'll take. Took me fifteen minutes just to log in to MafiaScum and get to this page.

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I doubt that Sanjay's comment was intended to be a defense.

Maybe it wasn't

intended

to be a defense... hell, when would scum defending scum ever want it to APPEAR like a defense. I'm saying I got the vibes that it was. But it's a minute detail now. Also, I'm going to assume that *waits* is in reference to the post of BC calling himself neutral? Hold on now, just a moment.

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I hope this helps you guys!
<snip>

Neutral- scummy actions

-wikedestjr - Lack of real content. Just feels like he's asking dumb questions, that aren't really helping the town that much
-Snow - Voting out of anger only hinders the town, because you are blinded by your bias, therefore thinking clear can be harder. I'm not exactly listing you as scum. However your behavior is not pro-town, but I don't have a complete read on you.
-All of the lurkers! Me included too!

The rest, I have Neutrals on, for the most part.

There we are.

Also, something about "I hope this helps you guys!" at the beginning seems to be... overeager trying to appear town. Especially with the exclamation point (which, I've played in BC before, and something about his meta seems off this time), and then calling himself scummy/neutral at the end. I don't like it.

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@Starbuck: Nothing about me?

@almighty: But there were a bunch of role PMs posted... I don't understand your logic in picking out three at random? Or am I just not following?

@BloodCovenent: Even if you DIDN'T read the rules...

why

vote for yourself? I also dislike how he completely glazed over responding to what I had said to him (and Wicked, to a lesser extent) and instead decided to continue arguing semantics with Starbuck regarding the rules of the game.

Vote: BloodCovenent

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Do you think you are playing in line with your meta? Can you point to other times when you've acted out of character in the RVS to push the game along?

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Whoa! Good find! I get you now.

So we know that there are three, but we just don't know if there is a traitor. Cool.

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I'm pretty sure Starbuck is townie. I played in a game with her as townie, and she's playing pretty much exactly the same this time around. I do, however, think that BC is scum. I can't discuss ongoing games, but I not only have meta-reasons to suspect him... but he's also only defending himself, not trying to scumhunt.

More BC votez plz.

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Wait, Sposh is here?

xD MeMe's gonna have a huuuge problem with that one.

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Quote wars fail pretty hardcore.

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Stop working so much, slut.

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slash going out of town.

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Response to Starbuck meta question:

No, I don't believe I've played with her as scum... but even aside from her meta, she seems to be actively scumhunting. I'm not buying the argument thrown against her.

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Gogo gadget BC wagon!

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I really really really really hate this bullshit Snow White wagon. WHY THE FUCK ARE WE STILL LYNCHING THE CLAIMED COP? ARE YOU ALL FUCKING MAD?

My god. If you guys lynch the claimed cop on D1, I will replace the fuck out of this game, I'm not playing with such an awful town. More BC votes. Now.

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Woah...

Oh joys. Yah. I figured this close to the deadline i was gonna have to claim but i had hoped people were coming around so basically stalling in the hope someone else might slip.

For some reason I just can't see this coming from a townie.

The thing is, I had the exact opposite thought. It sounds pretty open and honest, and God knows I've had many wagons run up on me and I've held onto my claim in hopes the attention would shift elsewhere.

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Can a townie not slip up?

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@Starbuck, what "slip" do you think you made?

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Err, yeah.

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More BC votes plz.

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Yes, I believe the claim, at least tentatively. Whether or not the claim is real or fake... the claimed cop isn't the lynch on D1.

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BC's claim is obviously bullshit. Can we just lynch him please.

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Snow White's claim seemed legitimate. I think BC's is obviously scum who has been run up on a lynch and is now pulling out his last saving card in order to save his own ass. Seriously, the chances of there being two cops are so slim they're pretty much non-existant... the fact that BC waited until AFTER Snow White had already claimed her flavor role (Town Detective) to claim the exact same thing is also pretty sketchy. If he had claimed with role flavor or something that was different than Snow White's, maybe I'd buy it.

As for now, there's no way I'm voting anyone else until BC is lynched.

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NO NO NO NO NO NO NO.

Please stay on BC. Here's the thing:

If we lynch BC, and he flips a town role, then we can pretty much guarantee Scum White gets lynched tomorrow.

If we lynch SW, and she flips as a town role, then we can pretty much guarantee a BloodScumenent lynch tomorrow.

However, if we lynch NEITHER, then we have a high chance of hitting a town role, the scum kill a random townie (as I don't see BC or SW getting killed off since it's such an excellent source of WIFOM), and then we're super-fucked.

Lynch BC today. It's the smartest move.

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So.. is BC dead now?

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=_=

This was an irrationnal lynch.

Why?

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MODDDD.

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if BC is unlynchable, he's definitely scum, and that (IMO) clears Snow White.

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He didn't claim unlynchable cop, now, did he?

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He didn't claim unlynchable cop, now, did he?

but then how do we kill him? The only way to kill him would be another scum team NK him, and they'd hold onto him until pre-lylo and then NK him. Wouldn't be fair on town.

Vig. Or, one-shot unlynchable.

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I can't decide if I think two killing factions or a SK is more likely. I'm gonna assume a SK. Also:

10 Votes

BloodCovenent

- 10 (EtherealCookie, xRECKONERx, Sposh, saberwolf,

starbuck

, wickedestjr, DeuxiemeOctopus, Santos, almightybob, FaerieLord)

3 Votes
Snow White - 3 (

My Milked Eek

, Mufasa, dramonic)

Two Vote People
Sposh (MrSuave,

BloodCovenent

)
Mufasa (DeathNote, sanjay)

One Vote People
DeuxiemeOctopus - 1 (Snow White)

I'm going to take a leap here and assume that Snow White's claim is legitimate, since BC faked his claim. Snow White, do you have results? I'm also gonna go ahead and pre-emptively say Sposh is NOT the lynch for today since BC was voting him, and I don't think he was bussing.

Hmm. I'm gonna have to take a closer look at Sanjay, DeathNote(who is being replaced), Mufasa, Dramonic, and FaerieLord for their placement at the end of D1.

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Vote: Mufasa

I agree.

Vote: Mufasa

.

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How do you know the vig is one-shot, exactly?

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I already explained, SW, that I temporarely removed him from my potential-scum-list since BC was voting him. Also, I don't like how FL immediately assumes the idea of SW being roleblocked is absolutely absurd... and, hmm, interesting that he chooses to attack SW on that front right off the bat.

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I don't see why there's no chance of their being a traitor: what does the Godfather have to do with anything? In the sample role PMs on the first page, it doesn't say that the Godfather

has

to recruit the traitor. Still... with 19 starting players (it was 19, right?)... I would think 4 scum and 1 SK would be reasonable. Then again, I'm not good with balancing large setups, so correct me if I'm wrong.

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Well, let's look at the facts here.

Mufasa believes his kill was redirected can work
Mufasa says he's vig can work
Mufasa says his kill was redirected to someone who died from mass injection. How does that ever fit in a vig's flavour kill???

I mean, if he's vig I believe he'd take the time to understand his own kill type.

I totally concur. I've been wanting to lynch Mufasa since yesterday, but BC was too blatant with his counter-claim. Gogogadgetmufasawagon.

Vote: Mufasa

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And on that how do we know there's not four mafiaso's, read the role pm's.

Good point.

already went over this. It's up to the GF by the role PM to recruit, and we never gave him a chance, therefore there's just two left.

You. Are. Wrong.

there is/is not a traitor amongst the town which you can recruit to your cause.

Okay, fine, they can recruit the traitor... however...

You win if you and the mafia control the whole town or nothing can prevent the same

I don't think they HAVE to be targeted... I think they just lack communication with the rest of the mafia if they're not "converted". Their wincon states nothing about winning with town.

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Ninja'd. Also, I support the idea of lynching Suave and then using that to determine Mufasa's alignment... though it might be quicker just to lynch Mufasa and get the scum that way =P

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Sanjay, what are your thoughts on a traitor being out there?

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Same question to FaerieLord.

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if i did it wasnt intentional

...then it wasn't a breadcrumb.

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The players alive that haven't posted since Mufasa claimed:

Remplacement of DeathNote, Santos, Deuxieme Octopus, MrSuave

drunk epiphanies ftw!

what was The point of Really showing us this, exactly? Are you trying to appear townie? I think you are just trying to appear townie without being pro-town. Tell me: do you think this is really gonna solve anything? OR what? please, let me know... im dying to hear.

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dont make fun of my drunk posts Dammit

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sorry, im not into that sort of thing

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...what. are you in NC. i'm scared and going to bed now.

Sanjay, please respond to my post

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Thanks Mod.


OK, I am now fairly skeptical of the authenticity of Mufasa's claim. Would he really be the target for a redirector? I think it's pretty unlikely. If I were scum here, I severely doubt I'd have townMufasa pegged as a PR, and I certainly wouldn't risk losing my redirecting ability based on that.

When I first commented at the vig here:

Incidentally, @vig: whichever of those two you targeted, what the hell were you thinking? They were both pretty damn high on my Town list. Bloody waste of a Townie and your own role.

Unless your kill was redirected or something.

I was a bit nervous that the last sentence would plant ideas for fakeclaims. And lo and behold, the vig claims that he was indeed redirected.

Points in Mufasa's favour

- he claimed when nobody was asking him to and he wasn't under a huge amount of pressure (although he did, and still does, have the most votes)
- most of the Town has posted by now, and nobody has counterclaimed him. Since there's a guaranteed vig, a lack of CC is a big point in his favour

Points against Mufasa

- he didn't do any breadcrumbing, and there's been very little to suggest he really is a PR
- I consider him a very unlikely choice for redirecting
- a lot of people were suspicious of him on D1, so this could be an attempt to pre-empt his lynch today with a Town claim

Let me ask you... since NOBODY has CC'd him... don't you think all of your second set of points are a bit weak? No breadcrumbing is meh, I rarely ever breadcrumb. And just because you consider him an unlikely RD choice doesn't mean someone did it.

I need to unvote Mufasa, so I'm gonna switch to

Vote: Almightybob

for now. Saberwolf: why are you voting Dramonic?

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@FaerieLord:

What do you think of my post 702?

[xRECKONERx]

It wasn't a case.

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I don't like the FaerieLord/Sanjay/Reck interactions! Specifically, Sanjay's post number 728 comes across odd.

Vote: Sanjay

for now... sorry I've been inactive guys, long days at work.

...why don't you like them? why is Sanjay's post odd?

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Sposh, what do you think of FaerieLord's case against me? What about xRECKONERx's?

I already told you. It wasn't a case. It was something I just wanted to point out to you. You should really take a closer look at it, and maybe realize that there is something there... not necessarily a case, per sé, but you could see why that post would look particularly odd.

Actually, could the two of you explain your reads on me? That would be solid.

Right now, I've got you at about neutral... same as FaerieLord. I really can't get a good read on either of you either way.

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Yes. Let's move on.

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I don't think the Mod ever answered the specifics of what the redirector WOULD do if there was one.

a) Redirector has the option of choosing two targets each Night; any actions directed to target A happen to target B instead.

b) Redirector targets two players, and any actions taken by target A happen to target B instead of the targets chosen by A.

I really wish he'd clarify. Does someone want to lay out what would have happened in both situations, because I'm not even sure I understand the claims by Mufasa.

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Vote: MrSuave

L-2?

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I'm also very curious to hear about FL's vote on AlmightyBob. Please, FL. Enlighten us.

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I really don't even have to do this because this case is lolworthy, but here goes.

BC's claim is obviously bullshit. Can we just lynch him please.

BC's claim is just the same as SW's claim. so why is reck so sure that SW is telling the truth while BC isn't?

Umm... because SW claimed first, and BC just conveniently happened to have the same claim when the wagon gets run up on him? Yeah, right.

I'm going to take a leap here and assume that Snow White's claim is legitimate, since BC faked his claim. Snow White, do you have results? I'm also gonna go ahead and pre-emptively say Sposh is NOT the lynch for today since BC was voting him, and I don't think he was bussing.

there are just too many assumptions.

That's why I started the entire thing with "I'm going to take a leap here". Tell me, why are my assumptions WRONG? A lot of the game of Mafia involves drawing conclusions based off of evidence and instincts. What makes my instincts invalid, especially when these are the basic assumptions:

1) Snow White's claim is legit, since she was CC'd by the confirmed (dead) Godfather.

2) Sposh is not the right lynch for today, since I don't think the Godfather would have been trying to derail the wagon onto another scumbuddy.

Please, tell me how my assumptions are bad.

Ninja'd. Also, I support the idea of lynching Suave and then using that to determine Mufasa's alignment... though it might be quicker just to lynch Mufasa and get the scum that way =P

so SW is definitely town but Mufasa is definitely scum? they both claimed to be a power role.

...what? Now you're just blatantly putting words in my mouth. I

do

believe that it's highly probable one of Suave or Mufasa is scum. See: Mufasa's play. Did you even read the same topic I did?

The players alive that haven't posted since Mufasa claimed:

Remplacement of DeathNote, Santos, Deuxieme Octopus, MrSuave

drunk epiphanies ftw!

what was The point of Really showing us this, exactly? Are you trying to appear townie? I think you are just trying to appear townie without being pro-town. Tell me: do you think this is really gonna solve anything? OR what? please, let me know... im dying to hear.

there is nothing wrong in sanjay's quote. seems trying to get a mislynch here.

/facepalm
I'm trying to get a mislynch for calling Sanjay out on trying to appear superficially town? 'kay.

in conclusion, reck has a clear bias on SW being town and BC being scum in day 1, which is a clear bussing on BC and defending SW at the same time. and in day 2, he pushed a mufasa lynch, even after mufasa claim vig. and he also pushed a mrsuave lynch, which clearly is not today's best lynch.

In conclusion, manho has a

clear

bias on SW being scum, (despite the fact that BC cc'd her and flipped scum), which is

clear

ly unfounded and

completely

ridiculously. He wants to pursue a SW lynch, which

clearly

is not today's best lynch.

See? I can throw in absolutes like that too and try to fluff up my b/s case. =)
The only thing I

can't

decide is if manho is just overeager town or scum attempting the worst mislynch evar.[/list]

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xRECKONERx, you missed the one part of manho's argument that I was actually interested. Why vote Mr. Suave AFTER the mod explained how the redirector role works?

Why skip that part?

Also, how does the godfather counterclaiming SW make her confirmed cop? I agree that it makes it unlikely that BloodCovenent knew SW's alignment as a fellow scumbuddy, but I don't know why you are dismissing my idea of SW as a mafia traitor.

Also, SW could be the serial killer, and I don't know why you are ruling that out.

I missed the mod's post where he clarified the redirector thing.

IMO, it's a stretch to say that we ran up the SK and the mafia on the first day, and both of them claimed cop. It's a very very very very very slim possibility.

And ANYONE could be the mafia traitor, if there is one. I don't think it's fair to just go "Oh, SW could be it, so let's lynch her to find out". Regardless of if you buy SW's cop claim or not, she is NOT the lynch for today.

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In a set-up like this, where the cop can potentially lose his/her ability after getting one wrong investigation (going off of general understanding of 'perfectionist' here), I think there may be a good reason to suspect two potential cops.

Let me ask you Sanjay: what would be the reason behind a reaction from SK or Mafia Traitor about there being two cops? The mafia traitor would already know who the scum are based on the role PM in the first post, so it's not like BC fake-claiming would surprise SW-scum.

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Just something I noticed: BC's last post before he croaked was this one, where it looked like he was trying to incriminate DeathNote. Perhaps a last-ditch distancing effort that never got off the ground?

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@manho:

You're doing it wrong. I know it's generally frowned upon to answer for someone else, but that case is WEAAAAK. I'll let Snow White have a chance to respond before I post the rest of my response.

i really can't see why a cop would say "lynch me and lets find out!".

Apparently, even with the aid of emoticons, you can't grasp intarweb sarcasm.

the "sanity is not assured" is already stated in the possible role PM. and i don't see why it is likely to have another cop out there. and we can have back up cop. i think SW state it to avoid counter claim from the real cop.

I'll agree that 'likely' shouldn't have been the word to use, more like 'possible', but now we're just debating semantics.

@SnowWhite: Why did you say it's likely there is another cop?

so what's the use to tell us your plan? and the plan will fail if you are insane. wicked will show up guilty if you are insane, and you will lose your power then. read the possible role PM in the first page clearly before fake-claiming next time.

What makes you think it's a fake-claim? I'm sure, given the complex role PMs, that there are others who did not completely grasp their PMs.

and he explicitly ask cop not to counterclaim him.

This is pretty much WIFOM: would scum tell the cop not to CC, or would town? It's really a pointless argument, because there are pro-town AND anti-town implications for doing so.

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When's deadline, Max?

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I have nothing to add.

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Unvote

Vote: Snow White

I didn't see it much yesterday, but a cop claim and a loss of a cop is screaming at me to go with what is simple: Lynch the person who was counter-claimed.

..except the person who counter-claimed was scum?

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True.. I really don't get why Snow White didn't use her ability AT ALL. I mean, why not at least TRY, SW?

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Oh yes, that will do the town good <<

Gonna need a more substantial defence than that if I'm going to change my mind. Why would it not do us good?

Rolefish much?

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Mod: can we get a prod on Sposh and any other players that need it?

[xRECKONERx]

Also, IF Snow White is faking her cop claim, I could see her as SK, but not mafia. Mafia wouldn't bus their own damn Godfather.

[xRECKONERx]

Saberwolf also fails to mention the whole she-gets-roleblocked scenario. I agree that Snow White is NOT the lynch for today. It looks like it's coming down to Suave and Snow White unless another candidate comes up in the next week. So I'll stick with Suave.

[xRECKONERx]

@Sanjay: I meant at this point right now, I see Sanjay and Snow White as the only two viable options (other than no lynch, which we DO NOT WANT). For calling me opportunistic, I think your quick vote on me is opportunistic, especially since your "case" against me is that I haven't posted a strong "case" on Suave. It's circular reasoning. Do you see anyone else as a better lynch option?

[xRECKONERx]

Hey, elvis, let's not give any "obvtown" reads like that since SCUM WILL PICK UP ON THEM AND USE THEM TO DECIDE WHO TO KILL FFS

[xRECKONERx]

Just thought of something: maybe Snow White purposely didn't submit an investigation because she didn't want to fuck up the prediction part and lose her power?

[xRECKONERx]

wut?

She said she didn't do it because she expected to be RBed.

Why are you thinking up extra excuses for her?

Where did she say that?

[xRECKONERx]

Oh... well, shit.

I guess this is looking bad for Snow White after all..

Vote: Snow White

Explanation. Now.

By the way, I "prodded" my roommate. And by prodded, I mean, I walked out onto the porch while he was smoking a cigarette and told him he needed to HTFU and post in the mafia game. He claims he will be doing so shortly. That remains to be seen.

[xRECKONERx]

Unvote, Vote: Sposh

until we can get some content. I don't want Snow White to be in danger of a quicklynch because of me, and Sposh really needs some pressuring here. He's gotten by the whole game without posting pretty much anything. Also, his call for a bandwagon on D1 was just... odd... given my persistence on the wagon as well. At least I gave reasons, his seemed more like empty bussing.

[xRECKONERx]

Fact of the matter is this: *nobody* has been that stand-out scummy today, except for maybe Snow White, but she has that convenient cop claim backing her up. I thought Suave would be a good lynch information-wise over lynching a potential cop... but now that I think about it, Sposh would be a better lynch than any of them. Just iso his posts, it's a fucking joke.

[xRECKONERx]

-_-

I don't see how you can forget who you investigated.

[xRECKONERx]

Aaaand that was the hammer, if my count's correct.

[xRECKONERx]

Ah, yeah. He's at L-1.

tbqh, I don't know if we could've been handed an easier lynch. Claim when at L-4 + impossible investigation results = lynch.

[xRECKONERx]

Vote: Snow White

I'm sorry, but I don't think there's any possible way that she's a cop role when almightybob just flipped detective. I see of no other possible lynch for today.

Re: Sposh

I think his reactions were strange, considering how he said he investigated Mufasa. I don't understand how he confused Mufasa with MrSuave. For all intents and purposes, I'm going to hypothesize that he was lying altogether and didn't actually investigate anyone so that he could "confirm" that there is an SK, while at the same time appearing useless so that the SK didn't kill him. He probably hadn't even used his power yet.

If he did, though, then all that means is MrSuave is not the SK. I'm gonna go ahead and bank on the fact that Snow White is, though.

[xRECKONERx]

Umm... she already fake-claimed once. Remember? Cop/Town Detective?

[xRECKONERx]

Hmm. I don't know how she'd have investigation results since she's pretty much a boldfaced fakeclaimer now... but yeah, sure, let's wait for it.

[xRECKONERx]

D2 Lynch Analysis:

Sposh

(EtherealCookie, saberwolf, xRECKONERx, Sanjay,

AlmightyBob[/b], mufasa,

elvis_knits

, FaerieLord)

Four Votes:

Snow White

(manho,

Snow White

, Mufasa)

Two Votes
MrSuave: (dramonic,

Sposh

)

One Vote:
manho (Santos)
Dramonic (MrSuave)

I agree, it's highly improbable that there was NO scum on the Sposh lynch. I made Snow White the SK in this analysis just for my own assumptions. Mufasa is all-but-confirmed town (right?), which would mean one-if-not-two scum are in this list:

EtherealCookie
saberwolf
xRECKONERx
Sanjay
FaerieLord

I know I'm not scum, and I have a gut town read on saberwolf. That leaves EC/Sanjay/FL.

[xRECKONERx]

D1 Lynch Analysis:

10 Votes

BloodCovenent

- 10 (EtherealCookie, xRECKONERx,

Sposh

, saberwolf,

starbuck, wickedestjr

, DeuxiemeOctopus, Santos,

almightybob

, FaerieLord)

3 Votes

Snow White

- 3 (

My Milked Eek

, Mufasa, dramonic)

Two Vote People

Sposh

(MrSuave,

BloodCovenent

)
Mufasa (

DeathNote

, sanjay)

One Vote People
DeuxiemeOctopus - 1 (

Snow White

)

Psst, hey, check it out. Sanjay wasn't on BC's D1 lynch, FL was the hammer, and EtherealCookie was the first one on the wagon and never got off. Though, it does look odd that MrSuave was the only other one voting for Sposh with BC.

Discuss.

[xRECKONERx]

Retcon doesn't do much good now, EC.

[xRECKONERx]

Great content, dramonic!!

/sarcasm

[xRECKONERx]

How about commenting on the stuff me and saberwolf have been talking about?