California Trilogy: City of Angels - Off Stage (Game Over)

[curiouskarmadog]

what do you mean I set up a bad choice?

you saying scum put Orbots there?

[curiouskarmadog]

~Dram~

He's saying you are most likely part of the scum and you KNOW the three outcomes of the drink shenanigan.

He didn't say anything about who put Orbot there.

you are missing the question star.

if I am "setting up a bad choice"..how exactly am I do it?

[curiouskarmadog]

lol, I am really not trusted.

they also picked Orbots suggestion..

lets see if I am right.

[curiouskarmadog]

of course....another scientologist.

ok, I got to be lynched tomorrow (this isnt a poor me or flaking thing)...you guys have got to know that there is another scum group "mafia" before going into end game...apparently this is the only way to do it.

please leave me off stage.

[curiouskarmadog]

wow, on stage crew is pissed that I put the stuntman there.

Since I have a feeling I am going to be saying the samething OVER and OVER again in between scenes.

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I have said the MANY MANY TIMES....what happens on stage is the most important at this point. I felt that VP was town. I mostly put on stage who I felt was town and would make a good decision in regards choices. I put mostly who I felt were scum or scummy off stage.

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[curiouskarmadog]

also thok, for the record...do you feel that me putting VP on stage was scummy?

once it was decided that VP could come back, was it scummy for Orbots to nudge that there was no "other possible benefits" of him coming back?

[curiouskarmadog]

thok, you didnt answer the question about Orbots...why?

and I answered why I put VP up there..I felt he was town, and would make a good decision....

sotty, I cant say anything about the Gaspar lynch...I thought he was scum..I would have preferred a Starkiss lynch, but Gaspar was right up there....I will reread to see who jumped on it, but anything I say will just make me look like a hypocrite...hewitt's vote was odd, but meh....

I am sure, I am going to get a ton a questions for the on stage crew...I ask that you read up then ask your questions...I will try to help as much as I can, but the result will still be the same....

I need to be lynched next....I actually think mafia wants me around at this point, so anyone who says anything different are suspect. reasons? a.) mafia doesnt want the town to know they exist...b.) I am a perfect individual for endgame...a super scummy looking townie.

[curiouskarmadog]

thok, so you dont think it was a scummy suggestion?

also I dont know how many different ways I can say it...I wanted people I felt were town on stage....I will go a step further if you really need it...I felt you were town.

sotty, going into the scene....I felt Orbots, Gaspar, DGB, starkiss, and hewitt were scum or at least scummy...(thus why they were off stage)

Going into that scene, I really wanted to lynch Gaspar, Starkiss, or DGB....as the scene progress...I just wanted to lynch Gaspar...he was trying way to hard to dismiss the mafia group...the AP bit was horrid...and he was being unhelpful.

right now...I am leaing Starkiss and Orbots has definite scum....maybe hewitt, DGB, and Zu....

but now that we have two Sci...and 0 mafia...I dont have a clue.

all I know, is that you guys going into end game NEED TO KNOW there is a mafia group....I cant think of any other way to prove it.

[curiouskarmadog]

ha, think i just figured out what my (-1) was for the first question. I bet that if I drove and made it to end game...I would have become mafia....that would be a -1 in an end game scenario...

at any rate, it doesnt matter....keep me off stage....if scum put me on stage, stuntman me off...

[curiouskarmadog]

I know I am still not trusted, but remember I didnt put Orbots there....

sooooo..either scum get a pick oooorrr...they get to see a list before hand.

just something you peeps should keep in mind.

[curiouskarmadog]

I don't believe that scum get a pick. That's a ridiculous amount of control they would have over the game if they did. Something else must have taken place there.

well it is either that,

scum get a pick,

or I am lying...

I dont see anyone else (non scum) putting Orbots there AND THEN scum picking him as an advocate. Your doubts noted.

I honestly am not really sure about ckd.

it doesnt matter what you think....town needs to know that I am not lying about a.) orbots...and b.) a mafia group.

you guys need to know this before going to end game....there is a possibility that Sci.s turn into a mafia group come endgame (thus the -1 could make since in a way)...but that is a stretch...

the honesty of my words will be revealed upon my death. I dont want to have to argue about all this bullshit in end game...I will be a distraction when the town needs to be looking for scum. Dont you dare put me on stage.

1) What do you think of CKD's offer/sacrifice?

It is tough to say. I just finished a game where ckd wanted to sacrifice himself as town, though the circumstances were different.

the circumstances

were

different. I had you pegged as scum and thought by doing that (you guys just have to see the game) that I would help the town nail scum. I also didnt figured you wouldnt take the bet (as scum) so it was a safe call.

this is different. as it stands, I look scummy as hell...I am beginning to think we are not going to hit mafia before endgame...and if we go into endgame without that, I will be a easy mafia target.

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Orbots, I would like to hear your thoughts on the fact I didnt put you on stage...AND you were chosen as an advocate. Am I lying and put you there? Any thoughts why you were chosen as an advocate?

Also and open question to everyone, if Scum doesnt get to see a list of who is going on stage, before the scene starts.....I would like to hear theories on how they assign advocates...

[curiouskarmadog]

I had you pegged as scum and thought by doing that (you guys just have to see the game) that I would help the town nail scum. I also didnt figured you wouldnt take the bet (as scum) so it was a safe call.

Um, I wasn't scum in that game. So, you didn't have me pegged as anything.

re: your Orbots theory--one problem is this, why would the scum choose to send Orbots over other players on their team? He is pretty universally seen as town as far as I can see and "sacrificing" him doesn't make a lot of sense when he would be the ideal scum to send to endgame.

Also, do you pick alternates at all for the onstage scenes? Was Orbots one of your alternates if you do?

if you read the thread...you would have seen my list..the list has built in alternates.

I asked that you read the thread before asking questions.

[curiouskarmadog]

at this point I really dont give a fuck who thinks I am scum or not.

I actually have a feeling that scum might say shit like "I am uncertian about CKD at this point" because the want me to go to end game, just have an easy lynch..

screw that.

lynch me today.

this is not a town cred ploy.

you guys need to know that what I say is true...

actually....let me approach this in a different way.....

[curiouskarmadog]

guys...i am actually just flaking or have RL issues..

I am really a Scientilogist and made up the mafia to throw you off so you would be chasing ghosts. I didnt think you would actually be able to hit one of our own before end game(exposing my devious plan)...i thought we were going to be that good. I tried to buy some town cred by making right choices on stage, but you clearly saw through my ruse.

Gaspar was completely on to me, so I lead you weak minded fools to lynch him yesterday...yay us!

now just kill me already.

[curiouskarmadog]

Just leave me off. If scum are going to try to paint me as scum anyway then there's no point in me going to Endgame, it'll just confuse the rest of the town.

wait in line buddy, this line of thinking has already been taken.

I mean I am obv obv scum and all, but for all those who say I am scum becuase I sent the stuntman on stage..please answer why none of you spouted up about the scumminess of this action when this conversation occured?

VP, given your role, which would you prefer..going on stage or off?

which is more important right now for us to win...lynching or chosing correctly onstage and why?

Right now I think we should be focusing on winning the onstage game and get the best outcome possible for us. We have only lynched one scum and only have three scenes left. I believe there are more than three scum left, so I don't even think we can get our best outcome that way.

Whether to leave me off stage or not is a harder question. If you have a town read on me, then the decision to put me on stage is beneficial because I think you should put as many town players on stage as possible while still keeping a balance so we can get good outcomes there.

later in the post he does provide the benefits of him staying off stage too, but then explains both have advantages...

where were the arguements then?

interesting...

[curiouskarmadog]

whoa whoa whoa...you lynch me becuase you think i am scum..not because of policy or a "black cloud"..you two just gave yourself and out tomorrow if I dont flip scum. and that is bullshit.

DGB and VP...top two scum picks please.

[curiouskarmadog]

DGB and VP...top two scum picks please.

...sayz the guy that just claimed scum.

you could have easily have said you believed me and simply voted me...but now you have to "policy" lynch me, you get an out and dont have to answer to anyone...yay....

but still would like the question answered.

[curiouskarmadog]

which does make me wonder...do you believe my claim?

[curiouskarmadog]

which does make me wonder...do you believe my claim?

to dgb

[curiouskarmadog]

(grin)

nothing has changed...I should still be the lynch.

I just think it is important to hear people's reasoning...you disagree?

[curiouskarmadog]

LOL, you really are avoiding the question...interesting...you answer mine first.

[curiouskarmadog]

actually that is two questions are you avoiding.

top two scum...

do you believe my claim? (my claim had nothing to do with a name...on the surface, do you believe it?)

[curiouskarmadog]

ok, so I am one, who is the other scum choice?

would you believe Gary Wayne Coleman?

I thought he was dead already, well he is sure going to be seeing the dead soon.

[curiouskarmadog]

LOL, just noted you said "could" believe....dammit woman, you scooted around the question again.

"DO" you believe it?

[curiouskarmadog]

whatchoo talkin' 'bout, DGB?

[curiouskarmadog]

since I am heading out the door...I dont think it is a problem..

Papa

[curiouskarmadog]

also, I think this is hiliarous that I am being wiki-ed to see if someone believes my scum claim...that has to be a first right?

[curiouskarmadog]

fits what? scum? My claim? what?

[curiouskarmadog]

where did I say "people policy lynch me"?

[curiouskarmadog]

VP, that game I thought I found scum (you)...

this game, I dont think I should go to end game...it is helpful....I mean look at all the information that as spilled out of my claim...

You have stated you think I will flip town, but you will lynch me anyway because of a black cloud.

DGB has stated I must be policy lynched...leaves her an out.

tailan is pretty adamant that I am town...even in the face of a scum claim

sotty, though is mind was made up yesterday, thinks I am scum and doesnt approve of my scum claim.

this is good information...maybe not now...but later.

I mean who lynches someone they think will flip town? Information my dear boy..information.

[curiouskarmadog]

none, there was no flavor in my intial PM about that.

it was in my advocate PM about being able to join the SMG in scene 1

[curiouskarmadog]

where did I say "people policy lynch me"?

So, you're saying you weren't proposing your lynch as one of policy? That makes no sense if you know you're town.

go back reread what I said..then lets chat.

[curiouskarmadog]

none, there was no flavor in my intial PM about that.

it was in my advocate PM about being able to join the SMG in scene 1

to dgb.

[curiouskarmadog]

bad idea...and not in the spirit of the game.

just lynch me the old fashion way.

[curiouskarmadog]

hey I thought the on stage game was important too..that didnt work to well for me.

and Tailan, you can not bully me into not posting..it isnt in the spirit of the game and I am surprised you are even considering it. As a mod, how would you feel about that? seriously....

[curiouskarmadog]

good point.

[curiouskarmadog]

fine...how about this....

if everyone wants me to lurk out and get mod kill say so...

advantanges? disadvantages?

[curiouskarmadog]

(drunk post)

lets get my lynch on..

fyi, if you are not lynching me, Star, I will be lynching you

[curiouskarmadog]

wait why is it a good idea to make Zu claim?

[curiouskarmadog]

lol, everyone looks scummy off stage, because I choice all scummy players to be put off stage (except for Orbots)...but to include MJ....

hewitt's vote was extremely scummy, and the fact you a defending him leads me to believe you know he is town.

[curiouskarmadog]

also interestingly enough...no stuntman.

[curiouskarmadog]

first of all...I didnt know DGB was the AP?

second, we dont need a song..we need a pick from Thesp..and thesp already has one.

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD is not a jester. After he flips, if he is innocent, then we will know that he was invited to join the SMG during the first scene. That's the experimental nature of his lynching.

CKD, you are not just misunderstanding the hint you got? Maybe the scientologists ARE the SMG, for example.

unfornately I am not...it says (paraphrased) that if I get people to make me drive, I will join the SMG and my alignment will change to that. If they chose valentine I will remain innocent.

the only thing that I can think of is once endgame starts, that the Sci. turn into the mafia...that would indeed be a -1 for town...but it really is a guess.

zu, paraphrase Panzer's advocate pm if you can.

[curiouskarmadog]

no thesp that is a horrid idea...I dont care what kind of dancing you are sick of...perhaps the scum only have so many kills...and perhaps you are trying to eliminate choices for them....but that line of bullying is crap...and you should know that...

you have presented no good reasons for any AP to come forward....that is the ONLY role that is confirmed town and you trying to locate that role is super scummy..

if I do die today....I would like those on stage to comment on this line of thinking, it is scummy nonsense.

[curiouskarmadog]

thats the problem with a memory...it sometimes fails you. check again.

I do think the information was strange and I thought that Panzer's reaction was also strange....I have mentioned I cant see how a game could be balanced if the mafia team doesnt have a finite number...but I forgot that this is not a normal game.

So what if people think that Zu is the AP...maybe he is...maybe he isnt. But the fact we havent had kills in a while from scum, makes me believe they have a certian amount of them...(though I think this was someone else's theory first, so I cant take credit)...so why on earth is it a good idea for him to claim if he is? WHAT IF HE IS? Why are you doing scum's work for them?

explain to me how this is a good idea...

[curiouskarmadog]

and again, you havent provided a reason why outing the AP (if it is Zu) is a good idea. Because people are afraid to lynch him is a bad reason. This continued line of pushing, makes you looks more and more scummy. Why was sotty a poor choice? He looked town AND he wasnt assigned a role...in my book that is a good choice.

Why are you pushing for this now...arent you one of those who thinks I a scum? Shouldnt we be lynching me today versus trying to out a possible AP before the day is out? God I hope those who are town on stage note this shit when they get back.

I am not sure where you are going with the "who most strongly is against" the AP being reveal? I assume you want me to look it up and discover something myself. I dont know, who? Me? Why, what is the point??

[curiouskarmadog]

well, you dont need to speak for me.

Thesp....I am curious, what are you going to do if he is the AP?

acutally before you answer...I am curious as to what Zu has to say on this matter.

[curiouskarmadog]

needs to bold it there, Thesp.

at any rate, this "request" from thesp should be noted by the onstage crew.

I am curious what you plan on doing if he claims AP....just going to lynch me like business is usual and ignore that fact that you just outed the AP without any fucking reason? Lets say he isnt the AP (but as scum) says he is....then the actual AP comes out and calls him a liar...the end result is still the fucking same...

YOU HAVE outed the AP.....

I want to know why.

[curiouskarmadog]

you understand how endgame works, right?

[curiouskarmadog]

actually do me one better..explain to me how end game works..

then explain to me how your idea is a good one now?

[curiouskarmadog]

if it was a one for one trade that didnt involve losing an AP today then sure.

but a lynch today on a counter claim would be bad, because we need the AP for one more scene...if Zu claims AP, there is NO counter claim, and scum have more kills..they will off him before going to endgame.

Why cant Zu claim if he is the AP tomorrow....if he is, that information can also be passed along to the On stage crew and if there is a counter claim then that is a place to start for the endgame. But today is a bad idea. At the very least, if he claims that he is not the AP today, then that just eliminates one more person if scum has another kill..

this just seems like town common sense to me, what am I missing here?

also, not going to do scum's work for them, but if you are not going to lynch starkiss, I should go....not going to vote self.

vote: Starkiss

, CKD, {Thesp, Zu_Faul}, No Lynch

Tags fixed. Use bold only for actual votes. - Mod

[curiouskarmadog]

Why cant Zu claim if he is the AP tomorrow....if he is, that information can also be passed along to the On stage crew and if there is a counter claim then that is a place to start for the endgame. But today is a bad idea. At the very least, if he claims that he is not the AP today, then that just eliminates one more person if scum has another kill..

this just seems like town common sense to me, what am I missing here?

[curiouskarmadog]

so thesp do you have access to photoshop?

meaning lets get on with killing me, if we are going to do it today.

after I am dead, send the onstage crew a picture of locke, with "XX" over his eyes...that should clue them into me being dead...and if they want to stuntman, they know not to target me...not that they would.

Actually, the more I think about it...the more I dont like the way the Thesp is trying to get Zu to claim. The possible disadvantages heavily out weigh the advantages of pressuring Zu to claim. This is either a bad line of thinking, or a scummy act.

[curiouskarmadog]

where did I say I "just now" thought anything?

the more I think about it..the more I dont like it...the more you explain the more I see that it is baseless...at least today it is...

[curiouskarmadog]

what I am reacting to, in the post you are taking out of context is your point about not letting a scum team that involves Zu have time to think. I thought it over...and that was my response...I just dont believe it.

but really? why are you stretching to find a reason you lynch me? You and I both know I am not going to live to see tomorrow.

I just hope the on stage crew notes your behavior and manuvers today.

curious though, why didnt you bring up Zu claiming when EVERYONE was here..why did you wait until it was me, starkissscum, the possible AP, and you, to bring it up?

[curiouskarmadog]

seems to me that ole Thesp and I have been going back and forth...and you are just sitting there grinning, not having much input at all.

why is it that the two non hydra people are talking more than you?

at any rate....I know you are scum...I knew you were scum the first day....it is no accident that every choice you made was wrong and the fact you are so eager to lynch me.

lol, well lets get to it then. when the truth of my words see the light of day....oh where will you hide starkiss...where?

[curiouskarmadog]

blah blah blah...Jane get me off this crazy thing

[curiouskarmadog]

"One road will make life easier for you, the other will probably lead to your death at the hands of those who are not innocent."

I knew my choice was going to make this game hard....but I took the high road.

[curiouskarmadog]

It's best not to fight this. You should have just converted and snitched on the maf like I suggested.

please when i am gone someone reread this statement and tell the others why this was as good as saying "I am scum". Someone also wonder why thesp didnt react to it.

Vote: Starkiss

[curiouskarmadog]

where did he say that?