The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)
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Nothing much really, but its not any worse than any other random vote.Benmage wrote:
What are you looking for with the wagon than?Vaya wrote:I need a good reason for jumping on an early bandwagon?
Meh. I wouldn't call it a scum-slip.Benmage wrote: How about socio...i thinks he scum-slipped what do you think?-
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Seriously Benmage? There's nothing wrong with a early wagon. If it ever got serious and I didn't agree with it, I'd unvote. Nobody should be lynched or forced to claim this early anyway.Benmage wrote:
It could have easily escalated on essentially nothingness as you urself agree your vote held no real weight. Thus leading to an innocent being forced to claim or even lynched under poor circumstances. I'm surprised you just mindlessly went along with this. Once a wagon gains speed it can easily snowball out of control with a few poor town players adding their voice and scum also backing it. Which are you?Vaya wrote:
Nothing much really, but its not any worse than any other random vote.Benmage wrote:
What are you looking for with the wagon than?Vaya wrote:I need a good reason for jumping on an early bandwagon?-
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I'm not sure what the issue is here. I already explained that I didn't have any real reason for jumping on the wagon. So if the wagon became serious, I would get off it if I didn't agree with it. I don't see what's odd about it.Benmage wrote:I usually cast votes on people I think are at least scummy to some type of degree. Or have no issue naming it a policylynch....Saying you'd unvote if it gotseriousis really odd.
But your calling your vote random now, if i'm not mistaken. A random wagon vote can't be entirely random....so what were you trying to achieve by wagoning? Or get from the wagon itself?-
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When I first read my role PM and it said and it said I was aligned with the council, I wasn't sure if I was town until I looked closely at my role PM and didn't see any scum partners and noticed my town looking win condition. So I don't blame Death Note for his unsureness, and if anything, it makes me want to believe that he's town.
I really don't like the "It should say the council is town in your role PM" comments from Snow_Bunny and stark. Nothing in my role PM outright states that the council is town.
Unvote, Vote: Snow_Bunny, because I also am weary of that miller claim.
I very much disagree with this. I've heard plenty of talk of KK winning a game thanks to a miller claim. What makes you think that all throughout the game, no cop would ever want to investigate her? She's hardly confirmed town.Battle Mage wrote: Thats dumb. Why would Snow Bunny-scum claim miller, when she was highly unlikely to be investigated, and it would put her under loads of heat? She's pretty well confirmed town imo.
I'll also second vollkan's question towards Snow_Bunny, because the way she worded her claim bothers me. Where did you learn that millers should claim early on?-
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I don't like the answer. She said the council was clearly town, yet her reasoning for it being so clear consists off reasons that would have to be inferred and wouldn't necessarily apply to everyone with a town role PM.populartajo wrote:
KK and Vaya, what do you think of this answer and Bunny's motivation to claim miller?Snow_Bunny wrote:
First, as I wasn't listed any partners, I supposed I was town. Second, the flavor make me think I was town. Third, my power, when I'm investigated I look like a converter, make me believe I was town (well, I still haven't played the first mafia where scum has investigative roles). And fourth, though it wasn't on my pm, the flavor of the first role confirmed my suspicions that The Council was town (the npc found dead was the leader of The Council).populartajo wrote:
Err, how did your pm made it clear that the Council was town?Snow_Bunny wrote:Can I join the bandwagon?
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Well, my role pm made it clear that the Council was town, so if you really didn't know it's because YOU ARE NOT TOWN!!!!
Also, if DN were scum, I would think that he would know that the council were town.
I don't like the invitation to investigate her either. It seems like it could be some sort of scum plot. My first thought is that she could be some sort of scum role that can kill people who target her. KK's idea that scum may have a watcher is also a possibility. Anyway, I would very much suggest that investigative roles do not waste an investigation on her.
It makes plenty of sense. If she's scum, then she's risking a lynch and effectively getting cop immunity in return. It would be a risky gambit, but hardly impossible. I could easily see a scum partner putting her up to it.Battle Mage wrote:No, Vaya, it makes no sense. Think in terms of Reward vs Risk. What the hell is the merit in claiming something that may well get you lynched Day 1 or Day 2, with the prospect of not getting in trouble if there is a cop alive at endgame. I dont think Snow Bunny is anyone's top investigation choice in terms of experience. Look back at the responses to Kise's claim of a guilty. There was speculation about why he would target somebody inexperienced.
This really just makes me want to keep my vote.Battle Mage wrote:Snow Bunny is obvtown. You have 1 post in which to remove your vote from her, or you earn mine.-
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Maybe its just me, but the way she said it before made it look to me that she wasn't very sure if claiming was a good idea. It kinda gave me the impression that she may have been convinced to do it by someone else. That's why I asked where she had heard about claiming earlier.LlamaFluff wrote: @Vaya - What about the wording of the miller claim makes you disbelieve it? Also do you belive it?
Her flavor, however, seems believable. It's not too straight-forward about why she's a miller, and overall doesn't really sound completely made up. I'm leaning toward believing its real right now.-
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What's wrong with it? I already said that I'm suspicious of you and bunny because of the comments about the Council being stated as town in the town role pm. Right now, I'm believing bunny's miller claim, so my vote is on you.stark wrote:1. My wagon really really needs to dissolve fast.
2. I hope you all saw that wagon hop from Vaya.
Vote: Vaya
That would be a yes.LlamaFluff wrote:
So is that a yes?Vaya wrote:
Her flavor, however, seems believable. It's not too straight-forward about why she's a miller, and overall doesn't really sound completely made up. I'm leaning toward believing its real right now.LlamaFluff wrote: @Vaya - What about the wording of the miller claim makes you disbelieve it? Also do you belive it?
I just want to make it clear that she is right about my vote on her not being a policy vote on millers. Miller claims usually don't bother me, bunny's simply gave me some bad vibes. As I said before though, I think I may have been wrong.Plum wrote: Vaya, what about BN's wording of the Miller-claim bothered you? It doesn't seem to be policy vote - specifics would be helpful.-
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The reasoning already been stated before. With stark's claiming that the council is stated as town in the town role pm, and his following explanation having nothing to do with the pm, I believe that he was not actually given a town role pm.LlamaFluff wrote: @Vaya - Why is stark scum?
And really, stark's overall behavior doesn't exactly scream town to me, either.
Maybe, but I really don't think KK is scum for thinking otherwise. I can definitely understand how he sees her repeated invitations to be investigated as suspicious. I personally don't believe that bunny is scum, but KK's view of her does make sense to me.populartajo wrote:In all seriousness, am I the only one that thinks that KK's reasons for thinking that Bunny is scum are at least null tells?-
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I don't trust kmd's claim at all, it sounds fake to me. I especially don't like the whole 'I don't know if my target is jailkept or killed.' I suspect that he's likely a scum RB or JK who wants to account for when he kills his target. I'm also not liking how quick he was to claim in the first place.
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Yes. I've had a bit of a gut scum read on him for a good amount of the game, starting around the time he came in and voted DN after it was explained multiple times how he didn't scumslip. I'm not sure if could explain it in words well myself. I really like and agree with what you said earlier though, how his scumhunting feels artificial.VP Baltar wrote:Vaya, did you find kmd suspicious before the claim?
I'm not voting you solely because of your claim, but it is a reason. I only wasn't voting you before because I also liked my stark vote.Kmd4390 wrote:Vaya, elaborate. Are you voting just because I claimed? If not, why weren't you voting me already?-
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I answered this before already. Yes I suspected him previously. I'm not voting him solely because of Spy's suggestion, it's just another reason I definitely want him to be the lynched today.vollkan wrote: Did you suspect Kmd before claim?
Why does Spy's suggestion warrant voting him now?
Really? Meh, my name does, every person's revealed so far does, and a few other users confirmed that theirs were as well. I assumed that everyone's was, but I guess I was wrong.Kublai Khan wrote:
It's actually a very, very inaccurate observation. My role name doesn't end in an -er. And the mod could have easily changed to make it end that way.Vaya wrote:
This is actually a very, very good observation. I can't believe I didn't notice this before. I really think Kmd is fakeclaiming now.milkshake wrote:He also doesn't give us a name ending in -er (The Verber; ex. The Giver), as I hypothesize all role names should.
Plus we don't know if any scum namesdon'tend in -er.
Seriously guys, Kmd's probably just stalling at this point. He still should be today's lynch. If he's telling the truth by some odd chance, he'll just be kill by the SK tonight anyway, but I really doubt he is anyway.-
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I believe that both SpyreX and Bunny are town. I believe Spy's claim, and I can't see how it would make any sense for him to target Bunny as scum.
To the point of his claim contradicting the theme of us being born with powers, let me remind you all that Jordon had nothing but a bomb strapped to himself, so that doesn't seem to apply to everyone.
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Could you explain why this note you received leads you to suspect Benmage is a SK? I don't see how you're reaching that conclusion.-
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I'm not sure I get you're logic here. Yes, I believe Spy is town and he apparently feels that Bunny is scum. I don't see how this should lead me to automatically agree with him, or blame bunny for his death. Really, I find this "Spy targeted bunny and it seems to have backfired, therefore it must be her fault and she is scum" logic to be jumping to conclusions.milkshake wrote:
I thought that they were, basically, mutually exclusive. If you believe that Spy gave SB a potion with intent to kill him, you should at least believe the Spy thought SB was scum, and you probably should also believe that SB quite possibly had an ability that "killed" Spy (or possibly turned his potion back on himself.) So why do you think Bunny is town? What about her inciting people to perform actions on her through her miller claim?I believe that both SpyreX and Bunny are town.
Still, I do want Bunny to explain in detail what happened to her last night, so we can maybe get this all figured out.
I looked back, and you're right that a bomb was never outright mentioned. I feel it was implied though that he simply had a bomb strapped to himself, and I find it much more reasonable to assume that then to think that he had the ability to create huge explosions out of nowhere.milkshake wrote:
We weren't really led to believe that, were we? "An ancient solution was remembered and Jordan gave DeathNote an innocent gift... a hug." (Paraphrasing). Doesn't this sound like Jordan is remembering some crazy suicidal power he knew he had? At the very least, it doesn't say anything about a bomb.let me remind you all that Jordon had nothing but a bomb strapped to himself-
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I never said that was what leads me to she's town. I think she's town simply because of how KK went after her and wanted to get her lynched.milkshake wrote:However, I do not see why any of this causes you to believe thatSnow_Bunnyis town. In fact, if you think SpyreX is town, I can much more readily see why you might believe SB is now.-
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When bunny claimed miller, Tubby immediately called for her lynch, saying that all claimed millers must die. But Llama found another game he was in where someone claimed miller and he didn't react at all like this there. And when asked here why his opinion on millers seemed to suddenly change or what caused it to change, he brushes off the point and refuses to answer.Papa Zito wrote:Hey kids, I'm an idiot, remind me what the case is on Tubby kthx.
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Because of him bread crumbing it earlier and it matching up with the info Plum had, I actually believe tubby's claim. I'd say both him and milkshake are town.
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Also, it seems more likely that SocioPath is a town RB'er who came forward believing he had caught scum in a lie than him being a scum RB'er in this situation.
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If you don't mind though, could you explain you're reason for RBing Plum? I think she seemed rather town Day 1.-
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What I'm thinking though is that I'm not sure if Sociopath would come out and attack Plum like that if he were scum and knew that she was town. If Plum were lynched for "lying", he would probably end up looking bad after she flipped town. So I think its a bit more likely that he is town who thought he caught scum than scum trying to get town lynched.VP Baltar wrote:
I don't necessarily agree with this. Scum RBs are far more common and often claim they are town RBs so they don't have to fake their results. The fact that he claims to have blocked Plum gives me serious pause. I would like to hear his reasoning as well for picking her because that makes no sense to me from a town perspective.vaya wrote:Also, it seems more likely that SocioPath is a town RB'er who came forward believing he had caught scum in a lie than him being a scum RB'er in this situation.
Still, I really do agree that Plum seems like a weird target for town to RB. I don't understand his reason for suspecting her.
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Of all the people in the game, is Plum really the one you felt was most likely to be scum? Did you not feel their was no one scummier that you could have targeted instead?
Also, would you mind fullclaiming, giving us your name and paraphrasing flavor? Since you've already claimed your ability, I don't see any harm.-
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Dram, if you really have role related info that would prove milk scum, you should claim it, even if it means fullclaiming. It would easily be worth it if it means catching two scum(milk and tubby).
I'm leaning scum on him. I really didn't like his vote on chamber D2, or more recently, on bunny. It feels to me like fake scumhunting.Papa Zito wrote:Ohhai. Rereading last night was enlightening.
I needviews on dramonic plz.everyone's
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SerialClergyman wrote:Can someone give me the tl:dr on milkshake?
If he was blocked N1, isn't that why his claimed ability didn't save Kise? Or are we suspicious for a different reason?
It's simple really guys. N1, dram blocked milk and there was no "strangling" death(also, only one town was killed). N2, dram didn't block milk and the "strangling" death was back(and there were two town killed).VP Baltar wrote:I don't think I quite understand how dramonic's information guarantees or even makes it likely that milk is an SK, so I think I need to look back closer over things or have someone explain it to me.
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We don't know what exactly went on at the time of The Giver's death. For all we know, The Converters we're going to assassinate The Giver, but were beaten to it by some Serial Killer. A tajo killing makes a lot of sense from a mafia perspective, considering that he was on to KK. Also IMO, strangling sounds more like it would be done by some crazy SK, while throat silting seems more professional. It could go either way of course, and I don't think it matter's much anyway. If the strangling death was prevented by blocking milk, he should be lynched whether he's mafia, or a SK.Papa Zito wrote:First, some housekeeping:
"Strangle" = mafia killcuriouskarmadog wrote:NPC, The Giver, Strangled Pre Game
"Throat slit" = sk killcuriouskarmadog wrote: 26.) populartajo, The Rodent Tamer, With the Council, Throat slit Night 1
15.) DrippingGoofball, The Cloner, With the Council, Throat slit Night 2
22.) vollkan, The Consumer, With the Council, Strangled Night 2
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I understand what you're saying, but I still somewhat disagree. We already have two claimed RB'ers, one of which is a jailkeeper, I doubt there are that huge an assortment of roles out that could disrupt a kill. And given how unlikely that it is that most of these roles actually prevent a kill,(A doctor guessing correctly the townie who was to be killed, or scum are just unlucky enough to target a bulletproof) I think chances are decent that dram blocking milk had something to do with the failed kill.VP Baltar wrote:
This is pretty ridiculous logic considering how many PRs are in play this game. There could have been any number of things that would have prevented a "strangulation" from occuring Night1. Docs, Roleblockers, busdrivers, bulletproof vests...who knows. Someone is going to have to give me better evidence than this if my vote is expected.Vaya wrote:It's simple really guys. N1, dram blocked milk and there was no "strangling" death(also, only one town was killed). N2, dram didn't block milk and the "strangling" death was back(and there were two town killed).
Unvotefor now though, since people are right that it doesn't mean that milk is definitely scum, as I felt when I first voted him.
You know, though, Clergyman's massclaim idea would clear up a few things concerning milk's claim, such as if there were other actions that may have prevented the kill, or if there really is someone out there who needs curing of sanity. Also, KMD did say that scum didn't get fakeclaims, so it could be useful in outing scum. I'd be in favor of it, not that I expect anyone else to be, just thought I'd mention it since the though occurred to me.
1. Milk claimed, and didn't claim vig.Elmo wrote:Anyone: Why are we thinking SK as opposed to vig?
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Clergyman, sorry if you explained this already because I don't remember. Did you have any reason for targeting Spy and Balter?
Why not? I still think the dram block could mean something, but milk's not the guaranteed SK lynch I thought he was when I first voted him.VP Baltar wrote:
I don't see how you can believe both of these at the same time.Vaya wrote: I think chances are decent that dram blocking milk had something to do with the failed kill.
Unvotefor now though, since people are right that it doesn't mean that milk is definitely scum, as I felt when I first voted him.-
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I believe its more likely that dram's block prevented the kill. But since others are right that it doesn't prove milk guilty, I'm not going to push for a lynch over that alone.VP Baltar wrote:
You said there is a "decent chance" that dram blocking milk stopped the kill, but you also believe that people are right he may not be the SK....how are those not two opposite positions to take? It looks like royal fence-sitting. So, let me ask you for the record, which do you believe MORE. Did dram's block prevent milk from killing or do you believe the theory is flawed? I don't want equivocating and describing how either could be true. I want you to tell me which you believe to be most likely.Vaya wrote:Why not? I still think the dram block could mean something, but milk's not the guaranteed SK lynch I thought he was when I first voted him.-
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I really disagree with this "I'd kill half the people in this game if I could" mentality that's been going around. I'm really not sure who scum is right now, and really haven't felt too good about a lot of the proposed lynches lately. I really think that Sajin, Bunny, tubby, Benmage, milk(I changed my mind about this him being RB'ed thing, it really doesn't prove anything at this point) and maybe one or two others I'm not thinking of at the moment are likely town. Even dramonic, who read scum to me before, made a most likely real claim with very understandable targets from a Pro-Town perspective.
My current scum suspects right now, mostly based on gut are 1.) LlamaFluff, 2.)Elmo, and 3.)VPBaltar. I would also be okay with a chamber or Kise lynch.
Also, since people have been asking for it, though I still don't quite get why, and because she is willing to go ahead with it now as well, I'll come forth. I'm Plum's mystery mason name-cop buddy. And everything she's said about our role here is true, BTW.-
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Yes, we can telepathically speak to one another day or night.Benmage wrote:You guys have daytalk?
And what about Sajin is givin you a town read?
My reason for believing Sajin is town is because his behavior in the whole 'scumslip' and 'does the role pm make it clear that council is town?' fiasco early game. He was the first one to speak out against the DN quickwagon and go after stark, saying that the town role pm doesn't make it immediately clear that you're town. Whether you agree with this or not(I do), I think it should be clear that Sajin probably got a town role PM. I really don't think that scum would so boldly speak out against the town about the contents of the town's role PM. And the fact that when I got my role PM, I reacted in about the same way he claims to have, makes me even more sure that he's town. In fact, I'd probably say that he the one I'm most sure of being town here out of anybody, perhaps even Plum.
Sure. I've never assumed that mason automatically meant confirmed town, though I know some people do.SpyreX wrote:By mason you mean neighbor right? As in not confirmed.-
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I was suspicious of Elmo because his behavior and the behavior of the guy before him was a bit weird and they almost seem to be making a point to be unhelpful and do pretty much nothing so far this game.Battle Mage wrote:
why would you target Elmo? Also, why would Dram block Plum?Vaya wrote:Elmo, and she was RB'ed by dram.
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Sajin wrote:Mod PMed me back- The giver is indeed a male.
You should have kept with the PM-typo excuse.curiouskarmadog wrote:Mod Note: The mod might or might not have problems with The Giver's gender. The Giver should be a female. The Mod might or might not have described the Giver has a male/female in PMs. Bottom line: The Giver's sex is purely flavor.-
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Meh, after thinking it over a bit,Unvote.
My only real reason for thinking Sajin was scum was that the "mistake" with The Giver's gender made me think he was fakeclaiming. But it has been shown and confirmed by the mod that he has made mistakes with her gender before, so the point is null. Aside from this, I've thought that Sajin was town before the claim, so I'm going to say that he's town now.
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You know milk, in case you haven't figured it out yourself, he's probably not insane given that he got an innocent on a confirmed townie and a guilty on a claimed converter. Using your claimed power on him is probably a waste.milkshake wrote:
Hello!In the interest of not allowing the scum roleblocker to live another day, I'll go ahead and claim. I'm a cop with a guilty on dramonic. Now string him up plz.unvote, vote: dramonic
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Vote: tubby
Anyone have any idea how tubby's hide could fail? Because short of a role like dram described, I don't know how a hide could be stopped. I'd say its likely he's fakeclaiming at this point.
Something else to take notice of is this.
There are 16 alive, one a doublevoter, but only 15 votes in play. Mod told me that this was correct. Was anyone told of having lost a vote today.curiouskarmadog wrote:Note:Giving you 3 weeks, Deadline will be at the earliest 12/01 at 8:00 PM EST. With 15 whole votes available, it takes 8 to lynch.
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All that means is that if tubby's fakeclaiming, than he still used his real rolename. This doesn't incriminate Plum any, as her partner, I can confirm that we did investigate tubby and learned that he is The Happy Hoppy Fuzzy Bunny.milkshake wrote:Do those voting tubby disbelieve Plum's claimed tubby support? Not that I think tubby is a terrible person to vote but he was namecopped, and, well, you remember all that stuff.-
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tubby, to clarify on something else, does your role PM say you die like a hider normally does when you hide behind a townie who is killed?
I'm not sure what your getting at here, dram's claim actually cleared tubby if milk flipped SK. So tubby really does make sense as a partner.SpyreX wrote:Now, I'm trying to weigh what flipped scum said in relation to the night actions. Tubby doesn't make sense as a scum partner when, if we lynched milk and it WAS SK then it'd be a slam dunk on a partner.-
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I am voting tubby. Not that I have any problem with his lynch, but stark, you suggested that you have info that would be useful after a massclaim. Do you think that this info should be known for us today in case you are NKed? We could still go through with the massclaim if you think we need to as well.stark wrote:Vaya, you're looking at the thread. vote for Tubby. Get your partner to do it too.-
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