SWN II: The Curse of the Nekomata (Game over!)

[UncertainKitten]

Hi there. I've replaced Bogre. I am likely to claim my role in my next post after I get clarification on something.

Oh, and the fact that I want DeathNote policy lynched stat. But, we'll see how things go.

[UncertainKitten]

Ok, good news everyone.

I'm a LYNCHER!

And my target is MyMilkedEek

Unvote, Vote MyMilkedEek

.

Now, obviously I'm third party and not liable to help you in endgame, I just want my guy dead. I hate this role with a burning passion and would probably otherwise fuck up the town just through ineptness and laziness. So, here's what I propose. We lynch MyMilkedEek today. This will remove me from the game, and thusly get rid of all the third party bullshit I have to bring to the table.

Obviously, if I am not removed from the game, you all lynch me as scum/liar tomorrow. Sound like a plan?

Good.

Thanks a lot, SC. I really, really hate the lyncher role with a burning passion of fiery suns. Hopefully this will resolve it painlessly for all parties.

[UncertainKitten]

May I ask what town loses by following my plan, Llamafluff? Besides MyMilkedEek? I have no idea what he is, just that I would have gotten his role if he died by any other means except me lynching him.

Alternatively you could lynch me, and I really wouldn't care. I fucking hate the lyncher role. I'd prefer you just played by my rules since it doesn't amazingly disadvantage town.

[UncertainKitten]

Ok, well, if we have a dayvig, can you shoot MME and I'll get his role, so town loses nothing but MME, and I (assumably) become pro town?

I'd prefer to just get out of this game immediately, but I'd also like to have that glow of winning.

[UncertainKitten]

Unshuretinkitten, why dhid you whant to khill DeafNote?

DeathNote is a terrible player and I want him dead no matter what. Call it negative reinforcement.

But, yes, I'd like to win so I'm trying to get my MME kill/lynch.

Alsho alsho, why u fink u beecome pronoun..i mean, protowne?

I gain MME's role. I'm a third party lyncher. Odds are more likely I've been sent to kill a powerful pro town role to maximize bastardness. So, if I gain his role, I'm guessing it's a pro town one.

[UncertainKitten]

You aren't reading.

I gain MME's role

IF HE DIES BEFORE I DO, AND IT'S NOT FROM A LYNCH

I am removed by the game if

I AM ON MME'S LYNCH WAGON

You're quite welcome xD Compliments of the prince of bastard modding. (I'm not giving myself the title of king of bastard modding. That's Tarhalindur.)

Is it really ok for you to confirm my role like that?

[UncertainKitten]

Now later in the game we can take advantage of this if ani is alive (we have him vig MME making you confirmed town/scum). This is more of a last ditch effort though then anything else. You are our MME-backup now though, if you dont want to post much I cant blame you.

I suppose that's fine. I was hoping to just get the hell out of the game since I hate larges but I'll live with being MME's backup.

But I'm sticking my vote to him all game unless I see something very obv scummy, fair nuff?

Well, that's not quite true. I'll probably get bored, post a couple obfuscating walls and periodically tell you who's scum.

[UncertainKitten]

@UK: Why would you replace in if you hate larges?

Because I needed a replacement, and SC asked so nicely. I would have put in more effort if I hadn't gotten lyncher. Dammit SC.

I was about to argue we couldnt believe anything a third party says but its mod confirmed

Here's the thing. There are unverifiable things and verifiable things. Quite obviously it would have been verified that I was removed from the game if MME was lynched with me on his wagon. Now, the me getting his role if he dies any other way is unverifiable. That's why I didn't propose this course of action.

EBWOP: she didnt claim to inherit MME role in her first claim post tho

Again, why should I have? It was pretty straightforward to me the best way to resolve this verifiably. But, whatever.

At any rate, what's this "Unbreakable" thing?

[UncertainKitten]

Heres my thing, you could have just made that part up as an afterthought after realizing we probably wouldnt go along with it.

I could have but I didn't. Why do you think I'm advocating the

verifiable

route? Or do you mean the removed from game part, which obviously would be proven with me leaving. Which, if untrue, would mean you all lynch me.

Because your not town, and not playing\strategizing with maximizing the towns winning percentages. First you come out with a demonstratbly anti-town plan(kill a town to remove a lyncher) then its revised later to be a 'backup' role to a strong townie if he dies.

The backup wasn't my plan. I'm still all for "Kill the fuck out of MME."

EBWOP: I know how we could verify your removal from the game;ani types ''daykill UK'' and the mod posts your role.

Nyeh, you could do that. I probably wouldn't care. Be the shortest replacement stint I've ever done. Didn't Ani already kill DN?

[UncertainKitten]

@UK: The unbreakable alliance is one of SpyreX's ideas that he's at least attempted to use before (in MtG: PU, your subgame at the very least). It essentially functions such that all members of the alliance will consider each other confirmed town, and will, for the most part, work as a team until either a town win, or process of elimination confirms that there is scum among them by means of everyone else being dead.

You really are doing an unbreakable alliance? Like, it didn't get off the ground in MtG: PU.

Eh, what the hell, I don't care either way, I just want MME eventually dead.

If I do end up in your unbreakable alliance, I'm going to do my old large game standby of just reading from Day 2 on. So, be aware of that. But, I will at least put a little more effort towards assisting the town since I'd be acting more in my capacity as back up townie rather than lyncher.

[UncertainKitten]

Huh, just reread. MME being lynched at all makes me win. Guess that makes sense. Any other kill method gives me his role.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh yeah, why is pom getting lynched again?

[UncertainKitten]

Can I at least get explanations so I can weigh the options?

[UncertainKitten]

But why do we want EITHER dead?

[UncertainKitten]

Not 100% sure on FFF, but Pom is for support every single lynch that has gathered any speed or shown signs of possibly gathering speed

Makes sense.

And the case on FFFF? I'll be honest, I don't understand French. I could probably use google translate or something I guess.

[UncertainKitten]

Huh. FFFF

really

hates the unbreakable alliance it seems. Thinks there is no case on him as well. And he wants a case produced on him. Doesn't really give one on Pom, but whatev.

[UncertainKitten]

I haven't even done anything, Jahudo. Trying to buddy to the third party?

I'd have to look at it at some point, probably tomorrow, but it seems sound on the surface. But so does the Pom case :S...

[UncertainKitten]

Ok...

The cuckoo ani focuses your murder, I bet that many of your foam is centered in the 'unbreakable alliance' you might want to start thinking about the vision of a stroke in this region.

I'm lost. Is that advice to not join the unbreakable alliance?

[UncertainKitten]

ah, I see. Foam was scum, alright. And stroke was shot.

And, I must say I don't like that idea. Quite frankly the unbreakable alliance is an idea I like since it allows me to narrow the field, my biggest problem in a large game. It's a risk but one I'm willing to take.

Plus, I'm third party for the time being so I really don't have to care about finding scum until MME dies, either by lynch or otherwise.

Course, I would be kinda bored having my existence prolonged doing nothing, so I probably will lend my aid, but I think we can at least leave the unbreakable alliance alone for a little while.

[UncertainKitten]

At any rate, why do you think that there are scum in the Unbreakable Alliance, FFFF?

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, this is easy

Okay I just do not agree with their ground state after me without a case apart i can not be shot.

Basically he doesn't agree with their case, which apparently revolves around him being bulletproof.

Which, admittedly, is a scumtell.

[UncertainKitten]

Because according to the proportion of a musician in "unbreakable alliance" With that then in the game there, and seeing we know of at least two groups being scum. Greek and Russian, there must be scum amongst 6 or so membership in the alliance.

Well, that's part of the assumption. We turn on ourselves when the field has thinned enough.

Honestly, I don't want the Unbreakable alliance to ever be composed of more than half the living players. Course, others might want to take it further to everyone dead except them.

So, we'll see what happens.

[UncertainKitten]

I can not be shot because he said he can not turn to populate language restriction.

Um...your language restriction gives you super strength ?

Either way, even with a PR a bulletproof claim is scummy. Not any fault of your own, just the site meta.

[UncertainKitten]

They said they wanted to go until it simply. Which seemed a little weird for me. If it is just them and half of them are part of a group of rabble then a foam of his victory.

Oh, go until it simply dissolved? sounds about right.

Well, actually, with two scum groups it's a lot less likely that scum will win in an unbreakable alliance. They still have to take care of each other.

[UncertainKitten]

FFFF isn't bulletproof; but if animorpherv1 shoots a vanilla townie *or* somebody with a post restriction (like FFFF) then Ani can't daykill anymore. So FFFF is bulletproof in the sense that you can't shoot him/her and keep doing so.

Ah, I see. So basically Ani is an infinite shot dayvig if he doesn't hit vanilla/PR'd targets?

Ok, I understand now. Then FFFF being "bulletproof" is not a point against him.

So, the case against him is the one Jahudo proposed? What do you have to say in response to that FFFF?

[UncertainKitten]

And if they are two groups of spray teams, as the Russian Mafia and Greek up the unbreakable alliance. If this happens, I'll be since I killed the night tonight.

So, basically, you think the unbreakable alliance is ENTIRELY scum, or close to it?

Anything to back this up or just paranoia?

[UncertainKitten]

Jahudo does have a restriction of post drunk? I do not see any case it Jahudos other than the inability or failure of translators to read my messages.

Jahudo links his case here

They made "ANI" murder of two cops back. bad

Were the cops acting scummy?

[UncertainKitten]

FFFF, whiy is Pom schkummy?

Unshuretinkitten, if you hash not gueshed yet, I has a phost restrictshion. Drunhk speesch. I hasta masta yore perphormance in famly guy mafia.

I'm flattered. And yeah, I knew you were drunk restricted.

But yes, I would like to know why Pom is scummy. I'll wing it if the translation is weird.

[UncertainKitten]

my vote on POM is a motivator for writing because it is being lurker. but since it replaces outside, I am the lurker coming. Until we come up with a plan.
unvote vote wolf
And all the cops are claim.

They were shot after they claimed? Was there reason to disbelieve them?

And your case on Pom is she's a lurker?

So...wait, you aren't scumhunting you are lurker hunting and hope a

plan

wins this game rather than scumhunting? What the hell?

[UncertainKitten]

No. The case on Pom is that she has supported EVERY single lynch that has become remotely popular (SD, DP, Parama, DN, RBT, Anon all off the top of my head). That basically anyone who has had more then two or three votes EXCEPT for CSL.

They are partners. This is simple enough.

That's

your

case LF. I was asking FFFF for his. Why are you defending him?

Now, I do agree that's scummy. Can't ani shoot her?

[UncertainKitten]

I'd rather have us not lynch nor kill me, thank you very much.

Well of course you'd prefer not to. But you're in the way of my win con. so I'm going to pursue your lynch all game. But I guess I'll freelance for town a bit to see if I can earn my happy ending. Fair 'nuff ?

We arent going to for a very long time if at all. I would leave this whole situation to scum since if you are town creates a backup confirmed town after you die.

Nyeh, I'd still rather just lynch and poof. But, whatever .

I'm really not sure what to do with the UK situation.

We lynch MME of course. Well, we probably aren't going to but it'd be AWESOME!

And, I didn't catch up on the hulabaloo, but FFFF claimed BP?

I misunderstood. I got it now.

So, what makes Kairyuu and ani bad, SpreX?

Gotta say Mae has a point on FFFF. I haven't seen much scumhunting in my admittedly short tenure here.

[UncertainKitten]

Apparently the fact that ani shot DN after I pointed out that several members of the alliance still supported the shot is rubbing SpyreX the wrong way. Unsure of why though.

DN should be a policy lynch/kill. why he was alive on D2 is beyond me. I fault you not for killing him. Let me make myself clear. He is the

only

player I've ever wanted to policy lynch/kill. And I will stand by that until he shapes up into someone who plays the game, even if it's badly, rather than someone who sits there and does NOTHING.

[UncertainKitten]

FFFF wants a case against him.

It's been restated about three times by Jahudo. Increasingly supporting an FFFF lynch.

[UncertainKitten]

It really isn't .

[UncertainKitten]

You know LF, you are going to look like hell if FFFF flips scum, ne?

[UncertainKitten]

How about MME takes one of L-1 or hammer? I mean, it's a harder way to win since I get his role but at least he'll die. So far all I've seen out of him are useless one liners. Does he have some stupid post restriction?

[UncertainKitten]

Then, MME, could you post some content? I at least have a third party excuse. What's yours?

[UncertainKitten]

Sure I could.

And being a third party isn't an excuse to have less content than being town or mafia by the way.

All my goal is to lynch you. I might die for it, or I might get you killed for it. Either outcome is really nifty by me, though I'd obviously prefer to win. I just would be bored if I spent the rest of the game posting "Hi, I'm a lyncher, kill my target, avoiding prod"

I'm at the very least analyzing everything said in the present.

You basically are doing what I said that I would be bored doing. "Hi, I'm town, I don't wanna die *conspicuous lack of content*"

[UncertainKitten]

So...what are we trying to do now?

[UncertainKitten]

we're trying to lynch FFFF, he's prob scum. You should vote him, MME is not gonna be lynched today anyways.

Why should I? If I die I lose ^-^. So, I'd rather not risk any vote position on his wagon

(Being claimed third party ROCKS!)

That said I support him dying.

[UncertainKitten]

...

Does this mean UK is a jester now FFS?

And unless someone takes credit for those kills (which I'm not saying is going to happen) I HAVE to assume ani is legit and we're looking at 3 anti town factions. Or something.

Ffffff

Yes. MME is a fucking retard.

I am now going to push my own lynch.

Vote UncertainKitten

Can we just kill me now and get this over with?

I'm going to go ahead and say the intelligent shot so far would be UK for obvious reason. Also why do you want to shoot me?

Can we just lynch me? You know, I mean, this role sucks, and everyone knows what it is. Can we at least just let me win before I'm killed?

Shoot Pom, shoot someone else, I really don't care. Just

lynch

me. I at least TRIED to help out town, which is more than MME ever did.

I fucking hate you SC.

[UncertainKitten]

I'll roll this way:

UK, we hit two more scum we can lynch you.

You're not getting lynched before then, though.

You're also most definitely not getting shot (I find it "interesting" who's pushed for that).

Fine.

I'm still not reading all 70 pages. I'll start from D2 whenever I can be arsed to actually do anything. Maybe later today or tomorrow.

Also, you do realize scum are going to kill me if I start actually being effective, right? This is probably not going to end well for me.

Well, unless ani shoots two more scum with my assistance. That might work.

Ah well, let's see what happens.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, by the way

Unvote, Vote Amished

He's not that stupid as town.

[UncertainKitten]

Amished still sounds like scared scum. Face it. You are facing three kills a night. You need all the warm bodies you can get. I'm not confirmed town, but I am confirmed jester. Which means I'm not killing, nor am I actively working against the town EXCEPT to soak up one of your lynches.

Further, SpyreX is GIVING me a motivation to help you. But, whatever.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, I'll mention one more thing.

I can't self hammer. So if we hit lylo, I'd have to vote myself early to stand a chance of winning.

[UncertainKitten]

We both know, much as I love ya, that you're not making it anywhere near lylo. One way or another.

I'm not sure you can prevent that if you keep me alive. Not that I WANT to precisely be alive in lylo unless all the scum randomly claim. Regardless, we probably want to catch a certain American mafiate to hopefully cut down kill density.

[UncertainKitten]

Don't forget Amished. He's played with me and knows that whether I hit scum or not, I have a scary tendency to survive, which doesn't really help with the aims of someone who would like to gain a majority.

But, Pom sucks, yah.

[UncertainKitten]

This isn't town Amished. Unless you have VASTLY changed your playstyle since Hellsing mafia, you don't act like this as town.

All you've succeeded in doing is convincing me you are scum. Hopefully others will look closer at you and pick up other evidence. Hell, I might do it myself soon.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, as for not wanting me to live. So far, you're the only one that has expressed the opinion I'd be a distraction. So far, people seem at least somewhat amenable to keeping me alive to scumhunt in exchange for my lynch. Whether they are lying or not is not something I can ascertain. But I've played all my cards so I'll go along with it.

[UncertainKitten]

Actually, I'm ISOing him now.

He's actually not as bad as I thought.

He just took stupid pills today is all ^-^.

/me continues reading.

I am, however, bothered by the deathnote hate. (Oh hai hypocrisy monster, meet UK).

It's not the deathnote hate itself, it's the reasoning. DeathNote is an easy mark. this doesn't convince me at all. I feel Amished would have thought this through more.

Could someone explain the context of this? Is there anyway to read that as NOT defending a fellow scumbag?

And was this really the extent of your case on him after bitching about everyone else on him?

And of course the last three are Amished pushing my death because he doesn't want any more warm bodies to go through than he has to.

I think the ISO was insufficient to really analyze Amished, but I get a town read for the first half of his posts that decays to a scum read really, really fast. Any help here?

[UncertainKitten]

I'm not sure where the "lie" comes into place because I'm pretty sure that my compatriots would do my final wish and let UK get what she wants if I was pushing up daises before that happened.

I want to trust all of you but I don't know your alignments, while you know mine. It's more likely you'd give me my lynch if you were scum, granted, but you can't outright say that. And if you are town you ARE being rather generous with something you don't completely control.

But guess what? Whether you are lying or not doesn't matter. I have nothing I can offer that would force you to give me my lynch. If I scumhunt, at least there's a chance I'll be given the win. If I don't, well, obviously I'm never getting lynched since I'm out of cards to play.

[UncertainKitten]

I don't know if you're town or not. Fortunately, I don't have to care.

I'll reread from D2 at some point as I said and post a wall on who's scum. I think Amished and Pom are good picks for the time being.

Also, scum might take me out once I start catching them left and right ^-^;.

[UncertainKitten]

Sometimes you have to push to ascertain things.

I'm a little more sure on you. I'm still pretty good for Pom, but I'm piggybacking other cases there.

As for DN: Where did you ever say he was scummy and explain why, outside the cop thing?

Not much to say on either FFFF situation. I really need more context. Ah well.

And yeah, my meta of you is quite weak. One game does not a true meta make. You still feel so dramatically different from that it raised askance.

[UncertainKitten]

Your last post seems to say very little.

And lessee, I replaced Bogre, right? We've been third party all game. The difference being I'm trying to play as a town contractor while he was playing as an idiot, just like MME. I mean, seriously, way to be proactive about being the perfect lyncher/lynchess pair.

But, one more post on DN and then just calling him scum out of almost nothing...not sure I like that either but I've probably done the same in the past, as town.

[UncertainKitten]

I don't like the use of "We" in that sentence. I'd rather it be I, because as I see it, your an extension of Bogre in this game.

I prefer not being associated with someone who apparently failed this role forever. I don't think he even ever VOTED MME.

Well, I do recall Amished being ridiculously town (and the N1 kill) in Hellsing mafia. And I can almost see a logic in not wanting to be TOO town so you can actually play the game. But, still...I dunno. There wasn't a lot to draw out of Amished's ISO, which in and of itself is probably sign. Whether it's of me being burnt out or Amished being scummy I don't know.

And then the function of activity and the vanilla claim at this juncture :headdesk:

The vanilla claim makes me want him to die soon. It reminds me of another game that's result remains to be seen.

[UncertainKitten]

That's what I figured it was. But, was that claim the official role name or just conjecture of sanity?

[UncertainKitten]

So wait, MME and you were collective Jesters? Like, if one got lynched, both win?

Sorta. I didn't know he was a jester or I would have outright said that to get rid of both of us. I'm guessing he didn't know I was a lyncher til I claimed it. Why he didn't just roll over and die is beyond me. Seriously, I could do a damned better job of getting myself lynched than he ever did. He even had someone HELPING him, admittedly in a ham handed fashion.

Either way, I'm a jester now and this sucks >=[

[UncertainKitten]

For the claim: The only person that ani will listen to anymore is you. Since I don't believe ani is scum, I want his pro-town killing role to keep working for the town. Since I know that I can be shot at any time, I'm going to claim my role so that he can continue on shooting teh scumz rather than ending his vig ability by using it on me.

While conveniently protecting scum you from the shot with one of the easiest falseclaims in the book.

Was there any need to claim vanilla so soon? Pretty sure ani would check with other players before shooting you out of hand.

Hell, we SHOULD be having a fakevote system going on to determine vigs, with real votes going around as well so we can have a lynch by deadline.

LF is bugging me as well, but I haven't played with him in forever.

[UncertainKitten]

Both are sanity claims.

She claimed herself insane in her role claim but is now saying she's naive.

But, what I mean is, did she claim it in the sense that "My role PM says I'm insane" or just "I'm an insane cop"? Further, did she claim insane AFTER or BEFORE naive? And were these both in the same day?

Just trying to flesh out the data, since I agree that's an inconsistency. Whether it's a scummy one remains to be seen.

Read it again - getting Innocent on the miller made her think she was insane.
Getting innocent on the townie as well made her think (rightly unless madness) she is naive.

Insane wasn't part of the title.

I dig the dance though ray.

This is how I read it as well.

[UncertainKitten]

The thing I don't understand is why would there be a backup for a scum fake-claim? Particularly since Ivy claimed first (if I remember right).

Was DN

specifically

Ivy's backup?

[UncertainKitten]

@UK: Do you trust Ani as far as you can throw him?

I trust him to not do anything so amazingly retarded it gets him lynched instantly. Then again, maybe I'm just too optimistic.

Once again,

why the fuck aren't we fakevoting?

We have a semi unlimited vig. Why aren't we fakevoting lynches again?

[UncertainKitten]

insane came before naive, different days, and one of her investigations is conveniently on a dead guy.

How is she scum for this? Granted, it's DUBIOUS, but those two things alone don't make her scum.

[UncertainKitten]

this looks like a job for MULTI ISOLATION!

[UncertainKitten]

And I think we're not fake-voting cause that's a lot of work >_>

Work that would bring a LOT MORE FUCKING ORDER TO WHAT IS EFFECTIVELY A SECOND LYNCH

Dear GOD people why the hell is a THIRD PARTY JESTER telling you this shit?

[UncertainKitten]

Oh yeah, LF gains scummy points for carelessness. LF used to be more methodical as I remember. RF is just batshit, I could see town him doing this.

[UncertainKitten]

What hte hell do I enter for Game Number???

It's broken right now anyway so get the greasemonkey script, but if it were working you'd click the thread (not a page) and put in whatever number is after the t= in the url.

[UncertainKitten]

MULTI ISO SAVES THE DAY!

DeathNote wins

Check the time stamps.

Also, why did poisonIvy claim. RF may actually have something. I think LF was still too careless though.

[UncertainKitten]

Its still plenty to lynch and I'm not playing fake-tallies and letting every joe schmoe have their input on this shot.

Hell,

I'll

do fake tallies. Do you realize the wealth of information you can obtain from this? What the hell is wrong with you all, town?

[UncertainKitten]

Actually, in light of that Amished looks MORE scummy to me. Why would he disbelieve DN even AFTER the anti-russian cop claims?

And yes, I understand.

So, why did DN get shot? I know I joined the game and immediately wanted him dead but that's because he doesn't play mafia. If I had known he was

basically fucking confirmed

I'd have laid off.

I mean, Amished's theory is REALLY fucking contrived there. I'm pretty 99% sure he's scum now.

[UncertainKitten]

Still. Amished's theory reeks of "OMG MUST UNCONFIRM"

[UncertainKitten]

Honestly, I'm surprised no one thought to leave DN alive to be investigated by PI.

But, whatever, I guess that wouldn't have been very helpful given sanity issues.

Um...wait, you're an anti-russian mafia cop, right PI? Why do you assume you have sanity issues if the two people you've viewed...um...

haven't been russian!?

.

[UncertainKitten]

Unless I missed something. Was the miller you viewed SPECIFICALLY a Russian miller or...?

[UncertainKitten]

Unless I missed something. Was the miller you viewed SPECIFICALLY a Russian miller or...?

Im guessing neither... SSK claimed miller (just miller) and came up inno. DP also has come up inno. Unless SSK would really come up scum to Russian Cop, PI is most likely niave, second most likely is insane and DP is scum, but thats a very very small chance. I would say null read

Naive isn't exactly MOST likely. PI is a

russian mafia

cop. FeFiFoFum,

who SSK USED TO BE

, is a

Greek Mafiate!

Doc Potter was a vanilla, CLEARLY not Russian mafia.

Poison Ivy, you may very well be a sane cop. I wouldn't BET on it but it's entirely possible.

[UncertainKitten]

She did not investigate the SSK. Investigated to me. And yes, apparently all think I'm guilty, because I can not speak English. So I think it is naive.

Either that or the moderator a bastard grade and I shot him my imaginary hat.

Ok, so

Mae

was investigated? Still doesn't mean PI is necessarily naive unless Mae is a RUSSIAN mafiate.

[UncertainKitten]

Ok. Mae claimed miller. This does NOT necessarily preclude insanity, or even sanity.

Honestly, you could be naive, insane, or sane,

purely because you should only get guilties on Russians

if I understand your role correctly.

In other news it's entirely possible a russian mafia doesn't exist and SC is a bastard.

[UncertainKitten]

Honestly, you could be naive, insane, or sane, purely because you should only get guilties on Russians if I understand your role correctly.

Errata: You can't be insane since doc potter flipped non russian. So, naive or sane.

I'm guessing it MIGHT be "I'll eat my hat" or something.

[UncertainKitten]

@UK: Is this a colloquialism I don't understand?

Well, usually you say "I'll eat my hat" if you are saying some possibility is ridiculous. But I honestly have no idea. I was just shooting in the dark.

[UncertainKitten]

Ah. She'll "tip her hat" to him. Or take her hat off to him. Basically commend him.

[UncertainKitten]

Sho maybee anti-Rushing cops only see Rushing mafia ash guilty? An maybee anti-greek cops only see greeks ash guilty? Itsh possum-bull, but thish is uh bashtard game.

An why would'z Kayruu (an 'Merican mafia) wanna khill DeafNote (a greek cop)?

Um...Death note was an anti russian back up cop. Is ANYONE paying attention to this game? Dear god I replaced IN and I know more about this set up than you all do. What the hell?

[UncertainKitten]

Interesting claim, RF. Why do you know the set up? What

I

meant was I understood what had been revealed so far by the mod. Well, somewhat. As best as you can in a bastard game.

What did

you

mean ?

[UncertainKitten]

Nyeh. We'll see.

[UncertainKitten]

If I meant I knew the setup, wouldn't that essentially make me an evil moderator with a vote?

It's not impossible.

But, scum are more likely to know more about the set up than town, is all. But my role is confirmed so I'm basically above suspicion ^-^. Well, of being anything other than a jester.

Oh, yeah, lynch me, lyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyynch me, you know you want to...

[UncertainKitten]

You get lynched once CERTAIN PEOPLE ON THIS PAGE START SHOOTING SCUM THANKS IN ADVANCE

Hai hai.

Amished and Pom need to be shot, k thx.

I'm totally an evil moderator with a vote.

I'm also the nekomata SK, and I'm kill immune.

I know the setup through my evil mod powahs.

Called it.

[UncertainKitten]

I'm also a triple-reviver with day or night killing powers. (though I can only kill once every day / night cycle)

Hmm...if a jester were lynched then revived, what would happen to their win con ?

[UncertainKitten]

SC, if it's not that big of a deal, can we get a count on who wants whom dead?

I can handle that if people format their fakevotes.

Fakevote: Amished

Would be the format I'd like. Though with the player of your choice:

Who should ani kill Votecount 1:

Amished (1): UncertainKitten

Takes 10 to reach a majority.

[UncertainKitten]

Who should ani kill Votecount 1:

Amished (2): UncertainKitten, SpyreX


Takes 10 to reach a majority.

[/quote]

Hot damn Starbuck is still IN this game?

Move that up onto the list of shooting.

Above Dram, Pom, and Amished?

Oh, Dram's dead. Magical.

Thats one I was thinking about.

I'll lay it out here because, like you, my time now is obviously limited:

High shot priorities:

Amished (VT), Starbuck (VT), Pom (?)

Med shot priorities:

Zoraster (?)

Low shot priorities:

Ray, Poison

And my HUGE conundrum:

Rifka.

This is the one that I'm really going round and round about. I get a town itch but I could REALLY see partnered with Kai. I just don't know.

That one bothers me a lot and I can't decide which way.

Taking this as a vote for Amished, ok?

Anyway, I'd like more fakevotes, and I obviously don't have a PR.

[UncertainKitten]

As an outsider who really has the best chance of winning if we pull this together:

Thoughts on a massclaim?

----

Yea you can count that as an Amished vote

Well, it would lock the claims down. Create a lot of WIFOM considering VT claims, but...it might be best to lock things down now given the kill rate, and the fact I think we are going for broke today, ne?

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP: The above is mostly an agreement with massclaim.

[UncertainKitten]

What's the case on zoraster?

Also, I'd enjoy a case on anyone from Amished as well.

Also, no one appears to be fakevoting which is really annoying.

[UncertainKitten]

...

Is there any goddamn reason I'm bothering with this fakevote shit? I want information, and I want democratic bullets. We can lynch AS MANY TIMES AS WE LIKE in a day unless we hit a vanilla. Why are we dictatoring this?

Who ani should be shooting but clearly doesn't care about democracy count:[/i]

Pom: Jahudo, Mae, Rifka
Amished: UK, SpyreX

Takes what, 8 to lynch now?

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP:

Who ani should be shooting but clearly doesn't care about democracy count:

Pom: Jahudo, Mae, Rifka
Amished: UK, SpyreX

[UncertainKitten]

AH, 7 votes then.

Pom's pretty close to a lynch now, isn't she?

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP:

I'm laughing in my mind thinking about UK is trying to get the town to think she can make me do whatever she wants.

1 mistep and BOOM.

Um...I don't have any stake. Hell, I'd refrain from voting since my opinion is third party. What I'm trying to do is get the town to make you do what the town wants.

If you are town that makes sense, right?

And plus, there is a lot of information to be drawn from the fakevotes. It's just as serious a bandwagon, and bandwagon analysis can be fruitful.

Well, that is, assuming you actually LISTEN to the town and shoot who they direct. Makes sense, right?

Well, if you are town.

I really don't understand what you think I'm trying to do BESIDES that.

[UncertainKitten]

I'd appreciate links, Amished, given how fucking HUGE all the ISOs are in this game. You can click that nice little white thing to the side of Posted: Date Time Post subject: Number, and the URL in your address bar becomes a link.

that said, from the time I've been in here skye has felt more like an active lurker...not sure what to make of that.

[UncertainKitten]

Finally, I thought that my vote actually being *on* Pom was signaling that I think she should die.

Hell, works for me.

ani should shoot one of these doods Votecount

Pom: Jahudo, Mae, Rifka, Amished
Amished: UK, SpyreX

In other news this COULD indeed lead to a rather interesting collection of info if things go well.

[UncertainKitten]

Holy shit SpyreX, that was AWESOME.

Dammit, why the hell are you asking ME for scumhunting? You've got the game wrapped up probably :S...

[UncertainKitten]

Well, that works.

You know what? Screw it, I apparently needn't bother keep a fakevote count since no one LISTENS :S...and I'm not sure I WANT them to :S.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh...what's wrong Spy?

[UncertainKitten]

Admittedly, Ani did well.

Even if he loses his shot we'll lynch Amished today and me tomorrow after he flips scum.

[UncertainKitten]

HOLY

FUCKING

SHIT

Unvote, Vote UncertainKitten

Shoot amished, lynch me, we are OUT OF HERE!

[UncertainKitten]

I want to hear Spy's feelings on it. I think it's pretty certain he's not Greek mafia at least . Probably not mafia at all ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

With this new batch of awesome I may have to think about doing a massclaim today and then some shots and then lynching you UK - although now I need to be sure we dont accidentally win today with the sheer awesome.

Ah, right. I lose if town wins before I'm lynched.

That kinda pisses me off. I WANT to see all the scum shot in one day, but I have my win con to consider :S.

I def support massclaim, and ani shooting til he's out of bullets (well, possibly leave one mafiate alive so I can be lynched)

[UncertainKitten]

He's almost definitely not Greek at this point. I'm even leaning hard away from Russian. (Amished)

How do you feel about American? A vanilla claim coupled with his behavior is rather...suspect.

[UncertainKitten]

SpyreX and Animorph own this town. Apparently I'm being trusted as well, but as a jester I really shouldn't have much say.

You town?

[UncertainKitten]

/me awkwardly dances, since she never really learned how to without arrows

[UncertainKitten]

Yeah, Spy and PI, you should unvote. And vote me, preferably.

[UncertainKitten]

well it means you're def not scum, so i guess it's benefiecial to you to be honest so we'll lynch you later down the line

I already plea bargained for that. I'm supposed to get it today if SpyreX keeps his word since we've sufficiently mowed down the mafia numbers.

But, we'll see what happens.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, if there IS a third mafia, I wonder where their kill has been going, since we've had three kill methods a night so far, and we've already killed an SK and (assumably) most if not all of the greek mafia. I expect to see one kill tonight, honestly.

[UncertainKitten]

And I am true to my word. Barring absolute madness you're gonna get your wish today Kitty. Although if that ends the game I may in fact have to policy kill you for the rest of eternity. Smile

I'll reread my role but I'm PRETTY sure it works the same as my lyncher role. I win, I'm RFG'd, and you all can get back to your regularly scheduled scumhunting.

[UncertainKitten]

It is not clear in my role PM. I have requested clarification.

[UncertainKitten]

Of course now the waiting game begins. We can't popcorn this - I have a pretty exact list with pretty exact reasons in my head.

Figured as much.

2 chances of a jester that ends the game seems poor game design imo (I think the chances are slim, altho I guess it is bastardly, but still)

I am inclined to concur. It's bad design, and further, a Day 1 jester lynch would basically completely ruin all the fun for the mod. I design set ups that play out for my amusement. I'm pretty sure SC developed this one that way as well. Having the game possibly end D1 is not a very amusing outcome.

[UncertainKitten]

Confirmed. I don't end the game when I die.

UK one more task before you go into the beyond tonight. Make sure I don't make any mistakes when I compile the claims and/or miss anyone.

Sure I can do that.

[UncertainKitten]

I understand. And we can always get a claimed VT to hammer instead of me.

What does hammering have to do with anything?

[UncertainKitten]

By a slim chance, FFFF claimed that both the first and last person on the wagon would die.

Basically, it's a precaution.

It doesn't matter to me, as long as I don't hammer myself. But I will point out I'm basically confirmed jester. Since I claimed I would get MME's role, and he's flipped jester.

Is there any reason not to keep shooting for a while longer? I mean we might as well get as many scummy people (and thus scum) dead as possible. I'd assume if he places the kill before the vote in his post it'd count though.

It's mostly so that Spy can keep his promise. If town wins before I'm lynched, I lose.

[UncertainKitten]

Yeah. Don't bring me too close to lynch yet. I want massclaim to resolve first. Keep me at L-4, L-3 at most. The vote on myself gives me a slight measure of control if someone jumps the gun.

[UncertainKitten]

That's L-4. Let's let the massclaim resolve.

I'll admit I was somewhat joking about the "preferably on me" part of moving votes off Pom. Since quicklynching me would probably hurt the town more than anything. I do want to be lynched still, but after massclaim.

[UncertainKitten]

P.S. If any of you see Ray posting actively and avoiding this thread well....

Hai hai, got it ^-^.

I also love what this game has done for my ppd .

[UncertainKitten]

UK IS ACTIVE IN THIS GAME MUST BE A JESTER

That would be terrible logic. I tend to be a fairly active poster. It's just I haven't been in a lot of games lately, and this one has moved faster than most of my others. I tend to post reactively so I need content to produce content.

[UncertainKitten]

Meta is terrible logic sooo Wink (or at least way overused but I digress)

Meta, when used CORRECTLY, is powerful. Problem is, most people fail at meta forever. Including me, actually, but that's another story.

[UncertainKitten]

Every once in a while I catch myself thinking of using meta and then give myself 40 lashes.

I even thought about using meta as a defense for something once. Someday those scars will heal.

Ooh, can you give me 40 lashes every time I think of meta ?

[UncertainKitten]

What's a "doc", RayFrost?

[UncertainKitten]

C-can this mystical "doc" role protect itself?

Also, I...I think I vaguely remember one of these things being a mafia role! Didn't the Americans have a doctor? So how I not know this "doc" thing is not just a mafia role you are lying about?

[UncertainKitten]

If SC is doing anything at all like his last game, I suspect the doc is town, and can't protect himself.

Bad assumption A. Assume NOTHING is like last game. Has screwed us COUNTLESS times in the Mind Screw series.

Right before UK lynch, post your scumlist.

This is a good idea

I dunno if I can self-protect.

Never crossed my mind.

Lemme ask SC.

Think very carefully about answering that. It might be best to keep that fact in the dark for the time being. Whether you can self protect or not.

[UncertainKitten]

Huh. You can probably shoot both of them, ani. But, let's continue the massclaim.

[UncertainKitten]

Huh. You can probably shoot both of them, ani. But, let's continue the massclaim.

...

wut?

Ani can probably shoot both me and syke for... what reason, again?

Because we claimed protective roles?

great reasoning there.

or is it cuz I'm obv scum yet you guys haven't really mentioned me at all?

Yes, it's cause you both are protective roles. I don't trust it. But it occurs to me that you probably don't need to be shot today.



Rifka claims vanilla...

WHO DID YOU TARGET N1 AND N2!? [/joking]

[UncertainKitten]

I'm around.

[UncertainKitten]

Do me a quick fav and ISO datadanne real quick and tell me if my gut instinct to have ani put a bullet through Riv is a bad one

Hai hai, I'll try.

[UncertainKitten]

I dont trust my role.

...

Shoot him.

[UncertainKitten]

Actually, shoot him after I've been lynched.

[UncertainKitten]

Ok, thats what I was thinking. I'm gonna be PISSED if that was one of those "Ohh teehee look at me lying as vanilla because I'm soooo awesome" moves.

I would be as well. I'd like to continue the massclaim though.

[UncertainKitten]

Part of me is afraid that would be the last scum and then FL wouldn't win (although if that were to happen I swear I would call this a team win)

That's my worry. What do you think of 3:3:1:18 balance?

It seems better than 4:4:1:16, but I don't balance larges.

We'll probably find out tonight with the kills though. I'd prefer to hold the shot.

[UncertainKitten]

*Hold the shot and jailkeep Rifka. If he's the last scum that'll stop the kill.

[UncertainKitten]

The kill would work but it would be ani's last bullet.


If you are what you claim you are. Which I doubt given DD's FIRST POST.

[UncertainKitten]

3:3:1:18 Seems town-slanted (worst case a scum group could be eliminated by d2, best case (town lynches town, all shots hit town and go through) it'd still take till day 5 for it to be unrecoverable I think)

Bastard quotient and all the PRs do balance this a bit.

4:4:1:16 isn't terrible - crosskills don't become an immediate screwjob and the town still has some weight to chew through.

Fair point here.

If its 3:3:1:18 I'd put money on there being a backup SK though.

I wonder if our backup SK would be our dear DD?

Still...I wanna lean better safe than sorry.

[UncertainKitten]

I thought kills on VT didnt work, but if your so convinced id rather die today to make sure i keep the town win condition.

Why would dying tomorrow change this?

[UncertainKitten]

Cept DeathNote knew

he

was a backup. So, I doubt you wouldn't know it, Rifka.

[UncertainKitten]

The only thing I'm worried about is losing in 3:3:1:2:16 (You forgot lyncher/jester, and so did I)

Don't forget, it would actually be 4:4:1:2:14 at least with two groups of four.

I'm not sure I want ani to shoot in the same post as a hammer.

[UncertainKitten]

Because I suspect 3:3:1:2:16, and that Ani will shoot the final scum before I am lynched, effectively snatching defeat (for me) out of the jaws of victory.

[UncertainKitten]

Nope, it's just going for my own win con at this point. I would like to town to win, but I believe I need to win first and the numbers are starting to favot 3:3:1:2:16

[UncertainKitten]

One would HOPE that if they happened simultaneously they'd be resolved simultaneously.

Someone could, theoretically, ask the mod what would happen in that situation.

That'd probably be best, ne?

I figure it would resolve in order posted.

If you REALLY want to take that chance, hammer me first, then shoot. You might not get your shot but if they resolve simultaniously then you will.

[UncertainKitten]

After asking, of course.

[UncertainKitten]

ani should ask. Though I guess I could as well since it's a rather strong correlation between ani posting "daykill X" and the kill happening, and SC probably could let it slide that we don't TECHNICALLY know ani's role.

[UncertainKitten]

I've sent the PM.

[UncertainKitten]

@UK I doubt scum would push their own lynch to make you headdesk.

Well, it's one thing to advocate being shot to look town. It's another to actually be willing to do it.

[UncertainKitten]

But Maemuki is post restricted as well, correct? and she's the miller IIRC?

[UncertainKitten]

Depends on if she's a miller to all nationalities or just a miller to Greek and American cops. Basically we deduced PI could be a sane Russian cop, which would effectively be naive, or be a naive russian cop, which would be the same thing as a sane one .

Or Mae is lying.

[UncertainKitten]

It's in order. If ani hammers first, the daykill doesn't go off. If he shoots first, and wins, I don't get hammered.

[UncertainKitten]

That's a good plan.

[UncertainKitten]

Happy scumday SD

And

I friggen knew it Rifka! >=[

(Also a JOKE) .

[UncertainKitten]

And...that was the hammer.

And what makes you think I'm pretty Amished? I could be a hag .

[UncertainKitten]

Totally posting for ppd now. lalala

Also, given how much of a bitch I am in mafia I'm very curious what you find pretty, SpyreX .

[UncertainKitten]

Lalala ppd

Well, I guess in it's own way ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

ppd is so utterly pointless it's hilarious. Yet I wanna be the very best ANYWAY at it . Or at least second, given how nuts RF is.

And thanks Amished .

[UncertainKitten]

I like UK and all but I dont get why we went through with this lynch

Because I'm cute.

And no, I don't deserve a scummy for my performance. I claimed two third party roles in a row and was basically on town's mercy. Fortunately I gauged the town correctly as a merciful town .

[UncertainKitten]

What 3rd party actually gets lynched when they want?

A cute one. And even if I had gotten MME's lynch as lyncher it still wouldn't be scummy worthy. This was basically me being incredibly fucking lazy, claiming my role, and somehow getting the one town willing to let me leave if I helped them . That's not skill, that's luck.

Or sex appeal.

[UncertainKitten]

I keep forgetting to ask, but if someone called you FL by accident, would you kill them?

Nah, just correct them

Lyncher would have been fairly easy though (and thats why I don't like it persay):

FL: I am American-cop, MME is scum
Town: Well, hot damn 1-1

FL giggles all the way to the bank.

Yeah, I really should have done that, honestly. I really don't know why I didn't. I think it had to do with the laziness.

[UncertainKitten]

Alternatively I'm just too honest for my own good ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

I'll be honest. If we have a russian mafia it's SpyreX and ani. It's a team of two because ani is so powerful.

[UncertainKitten]

YAY! I WON BY CLAIMING THIRD PARTY! TWICE!

[UncertainKitten]

I really shouldn't be rewarded for terrible, terrible play that was mostly done for the lulz.

[UncertainKitten]

She should win the award of 'never being given a lyncher role again'.

Given another game that was abandoned for brokenness, claiming lyncher apparently DOESN'T always win. Unless you're me .